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Noxblood
Norway374 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:37 Agathon wrote: Here is the truth. Calm and Wise. Thank you Sheth. What els do you except from Sheth? Sheth is the boss! it is nice to have somebody here that can talk about this inn a real manner and knows how it is too be on the other side! sometimes this community is a way to fast to pick up the pitchforks as sheth put it. | ||
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jib60
France9 Posts
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Evolutia
8 Posts
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iLYa.
France4 Posts
It's not very mature and professional isn't it ? | ||
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AmOrow
France11 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:45 iLYa. wrote: Why you posted this news and didn't contact direcly [M] for speaking about Stephano future ? It's not very mature and professional isn't it ? Take a look here : http://www.esportsfrance.com/actualites/26190/-maj-stephano-reste-chez-millenium-r-action-de-col | ||
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:37 FabledIntegral wrote: Still doesn't make sense to me. I personally believe if you sign something saying you will do something for someone and you're not in a state of duress, you have an obligation to fulfill the agreement. Whatever though, it's just something that jumped out to me as "different." This law was created to avoid some assholes to force fragile people (very old, mentaly low, psychologicaly injured, very young) signing some stupid contracts that fuck them. ATTENTION : What i just say his just to explain this law, nothing more. | ||
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iLYa.
France4 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:47 AmOrow wrote: Take a look here : http://www.esportsfrance.com/actualites/26190/-maj-stephano-reste-chez-millenium-r-action-de-col I'm french and i have read it, your answer don't relate to my question. | ||
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Shaok
297 Posts
For Sheth to come in here and act like we don't have any information here is ridiculous. We know he reneged on the contract, that is enough for everyone and should be embarrassing. | ||
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Dietch
France45 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:33 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I'm just going to throw this out here because these sorts of situations are really stressful for everyone involved. As spectators in this event, we don't really know everything that is going on behind the scenes. We can grab our pitchforks, light em on fire and go for the throat or we can realize we don't know who to use our pitchforks on and keep em locked up. I don't like saying one player is stupid or this decision is wrong or -1 fan stephano because put simply we don't know the whole story. Even if we did know the whole story, its still rude to have hundreds of people telling you that your stupid. I've been in this situation before, and its no fun! I just hope people realize that posting on this forum DOES get read by both Stephano and both companies, Mil and Col and any slander directed at any of these parties will negatively affect them. Without all the information and even with it, lets promote e-sports not bash on one of our own. Company owners and pro-players are people too... Best post of this thread, TYVM sir ! | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:59 TheOne85 wrote: Lets support the professional players, not the people who breach a contract the instant they sign one. French law or not, this is ridiculous and any Team attempting to sign with stephano better ask for some type of collateral so he does not renege on the signing in the future. For Sheth to come in here and act like we don't have any information here is ridiculous. We know he reneged on the contract, that is enough for everyone and should be embarrassing. Yeah we have loads of information. A total of two different PR statements and some small pieces of text from Complexity management. That's enough to decide on what's what to me! | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:41 jib60 wrote: also FabledIntegral you would really like this part of french low when you buy a house and realize 3 days later that an airport or something is going to be build right next Look into it before you buy the house. And you can still back out of the house when it's in escrow, which is usually MONTHS from the time you originally formally agree to sell/buy the house. So it's not really an issue, although you might lose your down payment. I'm not positive about this btw, but I think that's how it works. On September 20 2011 05:49 Agathon wrote: This law was created to avoid some assholes to force fragile people (very old, mentaly low, psychologicaly injured, very young) signing some stupid contracts that fuck them. ATTENTION : What i just say his just to explain this law, nothing more. Hmm. I see value in this regard, but I feel like there could be better ways to go around it. | ||
Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
What if by tomorrow it turns out that there was a bunch of information we didn't know? I for one won't be "editing my post" to remove anything bad I said about one team or the other. As you've already edited your post, perhaps that won't bother you. | ||
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Lunas
253 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote: TheOne, did you know about French law with contracts? I surely didn't before this started up. That's a huge thing not to know much about. Perhaps maybe you don't know everything about this situation? The point isn't that we don't have any information, its that after one day and both sides not getting along initially there's no reason to come here and claim one team or the other is "ridiculous". What if by tomorrow it turns out that there was a bunch of information we didn't know? I for one won't be "editing my post" to remove anything bad I said about one team or the other. As you've already edited your post, perhaps that won't bother you. Sheth you know Stephano plz help him I dont belive any of the teams is doing what best for Stephano atm. Give him some advise or something he must be under so much pressure ATM. | ||
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AmOrow
France11 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:50 iLYa. wrote: I'm french and i have read it, your answer don't relate to my question. He was free, so they don't need to talk to M... | ||
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Aliosh
France9 Posts
^this. Nothing else to say  | ||
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PlayX
Germany79 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:13 Lunas wrote: Sheth you know Stephano plz help him I dont belive any of the teams is doing what best for Stephano atm. Give him some advise or something he must be under so much pressure ATM. Yes, Stephano should join TL! Would be so nice | ||
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Shaok
297 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote: TheOne, did you know about French law with contracts? I surely didn't before this started up. That's a huge thing not to know much about. Perhaps maybe you don't know everything about this situation? The point isn't that we don't have any information, its that after one day and both sides not getting along initially there's no reason to come here and claim one team or the other is "ridiculous". What if by tomorrow it turns out that there was a bunch of information we didn't know? I for one won't be "editing my post" to remove anything bad I said about one team or the other. As you've already edited your post, perhaps that won't bother you. I've edited my post to say what I had to say about your post that I had read after the fact, rather than adding onto the already large amount of pages here. Sure there could be some more information coming out, but unfortunately in this situation the amount of information already accessible is enough. 1. He did sign the contract. 2. He did renege. These points are all anyone really needs to conclude that Stephano is not to be trusted with a contract in any form. I don't believe I've said either team was ridiculous. This whole situation is, and its all at fault of someone who reneged on a contract. I'd really like to see the true reasoning behind it, without the fluff. | ||
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iS.flick
Switzerland47 Posts
From a legal standpoint, it seems CoL can't do very much but again, from a moral and ethical standpoint, Mill should compensate CoL or Stephano should fulfill something he signed on to, assuming CoL was really as proper as they claim they in terms of how they approached Stephano. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
Everyone is assuming French law is on Millennium's side (and it may be) but don't jump to conclusions. This was a contractor contract, NOT an employment contract. The jurisdiction was Texas, USA and France has treaties that cover such international contracts. We are still investigating this, but people should not write off our situation just yet. In addition, many spectators have doubted our willingness to follow through with legal proceedings (as I'm sure Millenium does). They need to study history more closely http://www.gotfrag.com/css/story/37209/ Again, no decisions have been made but I don't think certain people involved with this situation are taking it seriously enough. Apparently the contract was under the jurisdiction of texas law, i dont know exactly what this means but before i read this i heard a few people say that if the contract was under the jurisdiction of texas then it wouldnt matter about the french law. Also after googling a bit i beleive the french law to break contract within 30 days is for employment contracts, and this contract was not an employment contract it was a contractors contract (lol wierd to say) | ||
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