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5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
September 20 2011 07:48 GMT
#721
On September 20 2011 16:35 Dommk wrote:
Stephano is an extremely intelligent guy, this is something I would not expect from someone like him.

Me thinks there is a lot more to the story


He may be intelligent, but he is also very young, and young minds tend to be overeager.

Let's just wait and see if more facts will be released, and hopefully it will be solved soon, for the sake of CoL, Millenium and of course Stephano.
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
Scrutinizer
Profile Joined April 2011
170 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 14:00:55
September 20 2011 13:58 GMT
#722
On September 20 2011 06:54 Scrutinizer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 06:37 Shemsu wrote:
On September 20 2011 05:59 TheOne85 wrote:
Lets support the professional players, not the people who breach a contract the instant they sign one. French law or not, this is ridiculous...


Are you suggesting we shun a player for following the law which applies to him because it's different from what we are used to?

On September 20 2011 06:26 TheOne85 wrote:
1. He did sign the contract. 2. He did renege. These points are all anyone really needs to conclude that Stephano is not to be trusted with a contract in any form.


No it's not. If what people are saying about French law is true, in that after signing it there's a grace period where you can pull out, then it changes it completely. You can't assume that your conception of a contract under the laws you're used to trumps any others, and thus they are automatically in the wrong.


This ^

User was warned for this post


I totally agree with this post (the one I quoted earlier by "this ^"), word by word.
It is quite logical and objective, doesn't get into ethical or subjective debates.
Brotocol
Profile Joined September 2011
243 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 14:12:01
September 20 2011 14:05 GMT
#723
On September 20 2011 16:35 Dommk wrote:
Stephano is an extremely intelligent guy, this is something I would not expect from someone like him.

Me thinks there is a lot more to the story


I agree. This is my speculation on the matter:

To me, what it looks like is Stephano willingly signed with Col, but then Millenium somehow managed to convince him to back out of it.

Isn't it strange that Stephano would change his mind so quickly, after weeks of negotiations that culminated in a contract? And people reported that he was happy about joining Col.

My question is this - what influence does Millenium have on Stephano, that they would have a long talk with him and make him say it was all a mistake on his part. Doesn't that sound like a completely one sided conclusion?

Even IF Stephano wants to stay with Millenium, the added part about joining Col being a mistake... sounds like something Millenium would have incentive to say, not specifically the player. Stephano would have no interest in saying "joining Col was a mistake." In fact, it's Millenium's statement which says that Stephano admitted to his mistake, but that Millenium was "gracious" enough to help him with his confusion.

I don't think Stephano is that naive, that he needs Millenium's "help," since Stephano must have been willing to join Col in the first place, for there to even be a bidding. This doesn't really add up. I think Millenium is the one that has beef with Col, and they're sneaking in accusations, but saying "Stephano realized his mistake." It sounds like a bitter, accusatory comment that I doubt Stephano would make.
"The Protoss ball of death is already too strong, so Protoss doesn't really need new units in HotS." - David Kim, Blizzcon 2011
mechavoc
Profile Joined December 2010
United States664 Posts
September 20 2011 14:42 GMT
#724
I wish some players or teams would give us some insight into the general outline of their contracts and if there are non-competes if there are options to terminate by either side, etc..

I know it is wishful thinking but it would be very informative.
stevorino
Profile Joined April 2011
957 Posts
September 20 2011 15:15 GMT
#725
huge skill difference between one player of the team and the rest.
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Panthae
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada205 Posts
September 20 2011 15:16 GMT
#726
I think whatever country the player is from, this kind of action should be reprimanded. This isn't about working for a company or an institution, it's a sports contract. If Beckham signs a contract with LA and decided he doesn't want to do it a day later, he's still contractually obligated to and therefore, unless he pays a penalty, he should do the job he signed for.

I understand french law is different, I understand this is a kid we're talking about, but it's just not behavior we should be promoting when it's already hard enough for teams to find sponsors and financial backing. Sponsors get spooked easily, this news about players breaking contracts with no penalty just isn't helping eSports as a whole and for that I think Millenium should pay a fine for the termination of the contract or Stephano should be banned of future major tournaments for a certain amount of time.
For Aïur?
Andalors
Profile Joined September 2011
France2 Posts
September 20 2011 16:45 GMT
#727
New thing:
CoL: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3129/#

Mill: http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/statement-on-the-stephano-situation-51050
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 20 2011 19:13 GMT
#728
On September 21 2011 01:45 Andalors wrote:
New thing:
CoL: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3129/#

Mill: http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/statement-on-the-stephano-situation-51050


Ugh, both have already been posted many a times, you had me intrigued for a bit....
Andalors
Profile Joined September 2011
France2 Posts
September 20 2011 19:19 GMT
#729
On September 21 2011 04:13 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 01:45 Andalors wrote:
New thing:
CoL: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3129/#

Mill: http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/statement-on-the-stephano-situation-51050


Ugh, both have already been posted many a times, you had me intrigued for a bit....

oops, I had'nt seen sorry
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1355 Posts
September 21 2011 07:18 GMT
#730
hopefully he didnt join coL when we can read some trash comments from the coL's fanbase or some american people
lightbetsoin
Profile Joined September 2011
France7 Posts
September 21 2011 08:32 GMT
#731
On September 21 2011 00:16 Panthae wrote:
I think whatever country the player is from, this kind of action should be reprimanded. This isn't about working for a company or an institution, it's a sports contract. If Beckham signs a contract with LA and decided he doesn't want to do it a day later, he's still contractually obligated to and therefore, unless he pays a penalty, he should do the job he signed for.

I understand french law is different, I understand this is a kid we're talking about, but it's just not behavior we should be promoting when it's already hard enough for teams to find sponsors and financial backing. Sponsors get spooked easily, this news about players breaking contracts with no penalty just isn't helping eSports as a whole and for that I think Millenium should pay a fine for the termination of the contract or Stephano should be banned of future major tournaments for a certain amount of time.


if col really wants stephano, they should have make him a bigger offer...
Btw, im myself french, and before this story, i thought you had the sames rights in usa as we do here.
maybe you'r not the liberty country you think you are. xD

anyways, we probably need a universal law, but i guess its too difficult to agree with everyone ^^
quotes are for no brainers
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
September 21 2011 08:39 GMT
#732
On September 21 2011 17:32 lightbetsoin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 00:16 Panthae wrote:
I think whatever country the player is from, this kind of action should be reprimanded. This isn't about working for a company or an institution, it's a sports contract. If Beckham signs a contract with LA and decided he doesn't want to do it a day later, he's still contractually obligated to and therefore, unless he pays a penalty, he should do the job he signed for.

I understand french law is different, I understand this is a kid we're talking about, but it's just not behavior we should be promoting when it's already hard enough for teams to find sponsors and financial backing. Sponsors get spooked easily, this news about players breaking contracts with no penalty just isn't helping eSports as a whole and for that I think Millenium should pay a fine for the termination of the contract or Stephano should be banned of future major tournaments for a certain amount of time.


if col really wants stephano, they should have make him a bigger offer...
Btw, im myself french, and before this story, i thought you had the sames rights in usa as we do here.
maybe you'r not the liberty country you think you are. xD

anyways, we probably need a universal law, but i guess its too difficult to agree with everyone ^^


well considering he signed im guessing it was big enough.
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
September 21 2011 08:41 GMT
#733
On September 21 2011 17:32 lightbetsoin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 00:16 Panthae wrote:
I think whatever country the player is from, this kind of action should be reprimanded. This isn't about working for a company or an institution, it's a sports contract. If Beckham signs a contract with LA and decided he doesn't want to do it a day later, he's still contractually obligated to and therefore, unless he pays a penalty, he should do the job he signed for.

I understand french law is different, I understand this is a kid we're talking about, but it's just not behavior we should be promoting when it's already hard enough for teams to find sponsors and financial backing. Sponsors get spooked easily, this news about players breaking contracts with no penalty just isn't helping eSports as a whole and for that I think Millenium should pay a fine for the termination of the contract or Stephano should be banned of future major tournaments for a certain amount of time.


if col really wants stephano, they should have make him a bigger offer...
Btw, im myself french, and before this story, i thought you had the sames rights in usa as we do here.
maybe you'r not the liberty country you think you are. xD

anyways, we probably need a universal law, but i guess its too difficult to agree with everyone ^^


You can make better offers while two parties are trying to get a player to sign, not after a contract is signed.
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
September 21 2011 08:41 GMT
#734
for many reasons I hope that Millenium will loose a player or at least loose a shitload of money. The way they acted about the whole situation, the complete nationalist view in the first place and then after all that drama acting the way they did is just plain stupid and should be punished. I hope col is doing everything they legally can
MirageGamer
Profile Joined September 2011
Singapore6 Posts
September 21 2011 10:14 GMT
#735
Millenium is giving Stephano a bad reputation, both of the teams said that Stephano really agreed. And then few hours later he changed? That would give him a bad reputation of not being loyal to the contracts he signed. This is just rubbish, I don't like players not being loyal to their contract.
More GG, More Rage
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
September 21 2011 15:37 GMT
#736
All the drama that keeps going on...
Dandy_Moustachu
Profile Joined July 2010
France422 Posts
September 21 2011 16:31 GMT
#737
On September 21 2011 17:41 Tofugrinder wrote:
for many reasons I hope that Millenium will loose a player or at least loose a shitload of money. The way they acted about the whole situation, the complete nationalist view in the first place and then after all that drama acting the way they did is just plain stupid and should be punished. I hope col is doing everything they legally can


There so evil trying to develop E-sport in their country -_-
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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 11 2014 21:49 GMT
#738
sick

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Belgica34432 Posts
August 11 2014 21:49 GMT
#739
I hope they have a bright future together~~
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