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Today compLexity Gaming is thrilled to announce the newest member of coL.SC2: Ilyes "Stephano" Satouri. Ilyes, a French Zerg player, is considered one of the best players in Europe.
Jason Bass, Chief Operating Officer of compLexity Gaming, had the following to say:
We have been talking to Stephano for quite some time and today we are thrilled to announce he will be joining our family. We all look forward to seeing him at IPL and MLG Orlando next month. It is our hope that this addition is another strong sign of our dedication to the global StarCraft community. With the coL.MVP, the compLexity Academy, THE V and coL.SC2 we are optimistic about the future and encourage our fans around the world to get on board and support StarCraft 2.
Stephano stated:
I'm very happy to join coL. It'll be a whole new experience for me and I'm confident I'll enjoy my whole time with the team.
Full post: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3126/#
Thanks for your support!
Mod edit update:
On September 20 2011 03:00 jlake02 wrote:
For Mr. Page to insinuate we improperly "disoriented" a young player is an outright lie. We have spent weeks negotiating with Stephano and countering offers made by Millennium. This was no quick pressure situation.
We will take a step back and analyze the situation but I hope Millennium honors the rule of contract law and does not disrespect it in eSports. Doing so would set a precedent that would undermine all we are collectively trying to accomplish.
We will evaluate our options but I do not see a way we can allow this blatant disrespect for the contractual process to go unanswered. We will be contacting legal counsel in France and investigating courses of action.
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Wtf? This is so sick, but unexpected!
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Very nice! Will he be testing himself in korea anytime soon?
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Good luck dude!!!!
Not a surprise skill-wise, he's good enough to be on most teams.
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Great player onto a great team!
Very exciting, hope it works out well.
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Wow! I hope he gets to go to Korea and practice with DRG!
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Amazing pickup for complexity. Complexity members are allowed to stay in the MVP house via their arrangement right? I think I remember Stephano saying he wasn't interested in moving but imagining the possibility of him training with DRG for a month excites me.
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Congrats to both! Good luck Stephano. 
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o.O nice, hopefully now he'll have the backing to go to Korea and stay there with a team of really good practice mates, GL man you deserve it!
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So between DRG and Stephano, I think coL can almost always guarantee the top placing Zerg.
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oh wow this is unexpected.
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wow awesome pickup complexity!
best of luck to stephano and complexity.
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Ares[Effort]
DEMACIA6550 Posts
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Wow, sick pickup. Grats Complexity and Stephano!
Looking forward to seeing Stephano at Orlando. =)
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nice an american organization just picked up one of my favorite players
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United States7483 Posts
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welcome stephano
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o_O This is very unexpected with the recent news from Millenium.
Oh well, good for Stephano. Gets to practice with MVP players. Apart from that I don't see why he'd do it.
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wowowowow! nice pickup Col!
Congratz stephano =)!
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congrats stephano and coL
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That is very nice for coL. getting one of the best players in Europe (in my opinion).
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wow sick pickup, grats to both sides
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Australia8532 Posts
Stephano is a solid, solid pickup. Congratulations coL, this is a really good signing.
Best of luck to both!
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WOW, such a good addition by Col. Stephano is a promising player. I hope all the best for the kid
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Totally unexpected, sad news for Millenium.
Hope he can improve and become one of the best foreign Zerg with Col. quality support and MVP partnership.
New adventure i guess, col.Stephano fighting.
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I remember hearing him tell Sheth that he was going to come to MLG Orlando. That should've been some sort of foreshadowing sign that he was going to be in another team. Millenium had never sent him to any MLG event.
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Huge team, needed a star player, Stephano is one of the best foreigners out there, and he needed more exposure. Good all around. Except for Millenium
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Follow drewbie to korea???
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And I was just thinking how Complexity was lacking a real ace in team leagues ...
Gogo Stephano!
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wow, awesome. hopefully stephano will go to korea and live in the mvp house :D
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Whaaaaaaaaaaat? I did not see this coming. Wasn't Millennium opening a team house in France where Stephano would stay? Anyways, best of luck to Stephano best foreign zerg imo!
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This is sweet, I really think that coL is one of the best teams for any player to join. Partnership with MVP in Korea if he wants to get really serious, plus he can attend all of the MLGs, right? Maybe we'll see him in the open bracket in Orlando.
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Wow.. Complexitiy just got really really sick..
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Does Col. Really need anyone besides DRG and Stephano? 
Just thinking about that is scary.
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Katowice25012 Posts
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wait when did he leave mili.
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wooow
this is big
SICK pickup
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Woooow sick! STEPHANO! I'm pretty thrilled about this.
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Wat? Wat? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Cant believe it.
Huge pick-up for complexity. Grats to them.
I hope they pay him well. Because in my opinion he will soon be the undisputed best foreigner in sc2.
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Awesome zerg player. Congrats. Hope we see more of him in tournaments.
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Hooooly shit. Nice snagging best EU zerg.
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a SUPER good team addition..
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Not a great period for Millenium I see. Losing both ToD and Stephano definitely doesn't help.
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oh so cool. congrats coL and such. hopefully be seeing him @ more foreign tournaments in the future
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ok, that was unexpected. good luck.
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Wow!
Surprising news to say the least.
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Holy hell. That is probably the most unexpected, yet most awesome pickup ever.
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wow what the fuck ~______________________~
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On September 19 2011 11:11 Xeris wrote:
wow what the fuck ~______________________~
You jelly bro? :D
(sorry watched too much Wickd stream lately)
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One of the players with the most potential for sure.
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Congrats, Stephano is damn good
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complexity about to become hwaseung of sc2
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On September 19 2011 11:11 Xeris wrote:
wow what the fuck ~______________________~
how fnatic gonna get zergs now tr0l0l0l
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pretty surprising ~_~
but awesome, one of my favourite players joining my favourite team! :D
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oh this came out of no where. maybe carmac's twitter post was alluding to this pick up?
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On September 19 2011 11:13 Angelbelow wrote:
oh this came out of no where. maybe carmac's twitter post was alluding to this pick up?
yes perhaps
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wow. that came out of nowhere. pretty sick though
congrats stephano and complexity
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On September 19 2011 11:13 Angelbelow wrote:
oh this came out of no where. maybe carmac's twitter post was alluding to this pick up?
I totally forgot about that, it could be possible.
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Wish him luck with his new team, this guy is sick good. =)
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congrats to both complexity and Stephano!
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
Can someone add this to the original post?
With our new teammate, we also need to announce the releases of coL.Firezerg and coL.Stalife. Both are great guys and amazing friends and we are sad to see them go. Best wishes to them in the future!
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grats!
snuck in an announcement of releasing stalife and firezerg at the bottom. wonder where they'll end up
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Great news, Stephano is the scariest upcoming Z foreigner !! GoGo Power Ranger !!
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On September 19 2011 11:11 Xeris wrote:
wow what the fuck ~______________________~
Xeris wanted Stephano for Fnatic it seems.
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Stephano impressed me anytime I watched him, so hopefully Complexity provides some good opportunities for him (and he continues to impress).
Congrats.
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Congrats complexity and stephano!
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On September 19 2011 11:11 Xeris wrote:
wow what the fuck ~______________________~
Dude, how about Congrats to Stephano and Team Col, and good luck, instead of looking like you might be ready to throw a hissy fit.
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no mention of millennium in all this... hmm
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Praise the lord!
Now send him to Korea. For the love of god this kid needs to get to Korea.
I can't think of a single foreigner I would be more excited to practice full-time in Korea.
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dayum thats one sick addition to the lineup!!!!
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So I guess this was the European player in that Carmac Knows Something thread?
Ecstatic that they'll be sending him to MLG. The foreigners could use much better representation.
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Congrats to Stephano. This is actually one of my favorite player-team exchanges I've had in a while ( maybe overshadowed by HuK to EG).
-Trell
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On September 19 2011 11:17 Shaetan wrote:
grats!
snuck in an announcement of releasing stalife and firezerg at the bottom. wonder where they'll end up
probably just work. both have fallen off due to other priorities so news of their release is no surprise.
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Excellent pickup for Complexity.
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On September 19 2011 11:18 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 11:11 Xeris wrote:
wow what the fuck ~______________________~ Dude, how about Congrats to Stephano and Team Col, and good luck, instead of looking like you might be ready to throw a hissy fit.
Man that's most likely compliment of the highest order actually.
And so thrilled at the prospect of Stephano working with DongRaeGuy. Sick!
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Wasnt Stephano with Millennium, and they were going to open a gaming house or something?
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Was this what Carmac was referring to?
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coLMVP DRG and coL Stephano, oh the possibilities!
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On September 19 2011 11:23 nick1689 wrote:
Wasnt Stephano with Millennium, and they were going to open a gaming house or something?
yeah i just recall now, and he said he wanted to stay in millenium this full year, something REALLY weird/exciting happened i cant wait :DD
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Pretty sure Catz was a big part in this, he seems to always be playing games and joking around with stephano
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Holy shit! gogogogoggogoogogogogoggo
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Oh shit, compLexity roster is starting to look scary!!!
Great pickup coL!
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what the....nice pickup o.o
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Has he ever said he wants to go to korea because now he def. has that chance.
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Congrats Stephano! GL with coL!
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Wow. Didn't expect this o.o
Top three European Zerg for sure. Great pick up!
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I guess this is the trade that carmac was talking about lmao
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Congrats, complexity is rounding out their lineup, looks like a scary team in the making.
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aww. man. very nice for complexity picking up another quality zerg player.
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This is a legit pickup. Stephano has AFAIK recieved offers from pretty much all the top foreigner teams and rejected, so this deal must be good. Perhaps training alongside DRG?
Anyway I hope this turns out well, this kid is IMO easily top 3 foreigner, possibly even number one. Fighting!
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Wow unexpected, but big news! Perfect opportunity for an up and coming player to get even better
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Definetly best player in coL
I think they took him to increase overall skill of coL.
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hmm, wheres the "stephano leaves millennium" thread? I don't know if coL is actually the right place for him, I can't think of anyone who is a star on that team who can really elevate his game.
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This is a huge pickup for Complexity. Stephano has been killing it lately
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On September 19 2011 11:35 emc wrote:
hmm, wheres the "stephano leaves millennium" thread? I don't know if coL is actually the right place for him, I can't think of anyone who is a star on that team who can really elevate his game. Exactly, which is why I believe it is to be able to train in Korea or with MVP guys.
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coL has too many players =\
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Insane pickup.... he has arguably the best ZvT in the foreigner scene at the moment.
And IMO... the best Zerg in EU.
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This is unexpected and really huge.
This guy has the potential to be the best foreign zerg, easily.
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This is just what that team needed. What a good grab.
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On September 19 2011 11:36 JiYan wrote:
coL has too many players =\
Complexity doesn't have a large roster, what are you talking about.. o.o
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Nice Pick up. Congrats to both!
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On September 19 2011 11:02 Ares[Effort] wrote:
holy shit
HOOOOLLLYYYY SHHHIIIEEETTTTT!!!!
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On September 19 2011 11:37 Toppp wrote:Complexity doesn't have a large roster, what are you talking about.. o.o
Besides which there was also this:
On September 19 2011 11:17 juicyjames wrote:Can someone add this to the original post? Show nested quote +With our new teammate, we also need to announce the releases of coL.Firezerg and coL.Stalife. Both are great guys and amazing friends and we are sad to see them go. Best wishes to them in the future!
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Whoa this is a very strong addition for complexity. That sucks for Millenium! D:
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Stephano and DRG on the same team O_o, those are the two scary zergs.. like some may be arguably better (aka nestea) but no zergs play as scary as those 2
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coL has a new closer Stephanos great.
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coL and MVP are two different teams, it's just like SK and oGs, MC only uses the SK tag when playing internationally. So if this allows coL to train with MVP that's great but I kind of doubt that was the deal that was arranged. Is drewbie training with MVP? I know he is on coL and is in korea, if he isn't training with MVP then I dunno why stephano took this deal. Must be that coL has more money than millennium and can send him to all of the MLG's, IEMs and possibly GSL.
lol, and coL gave up firezerg and stalife? I think stalife is actually really good, they must be trying to free up their payroll for stephano...
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holy! completely unexpected but amazing :D
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Wow huge pick up for Complexity. Good luck to both parties!
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I can't say I saw this coming, gl to Stephano.
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On September 19 2011 11:41 emc wrote:
coL and MVP are two different teams, it's just like SK and oGs, MC only uses the SK tag when playing internationally. So if this allows coL to train with MVP that's great but I kind of doubt that was the deal that was arranged. Is drewbie training with MVP? I know he is on coL and is in korea, if he isn't training with MVP then I dunno why stephano took this deal. Must be that coL has more money than millennium and can send him to all of the MLG's, IEMs and possibly GSL.
lol, and coL gave up firezerg and stalife? I think stalife is actually really good, they must be trying to free up their payroll for stephano...
It's actually pretty different from SK. SK is basically just a tag/sponsor added along with MC/NaDa whereas coL actually sends players to train at the MVP house and flies out the koreans. It's much more like the oGs-TL relationship.
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On September 19 2011 11:41 emc wrote:
coL and MVP are two different teams, it's just like SK and oGs, MC only uses the SK tag when playing internationally. So if this allows coL to train with MVP that's great but I kind of doubt that was the deal that was arranged. Is drewbie training with MVP? I know he is on coL and is in korea, if he isn't training with MVP then I dunno why stephano took this deal. Must be that coL has more money than millennium and can send him to all of the MLG's, IEMs and possibly GSL.
lol, and coL gave up firezerg and stalife? I think stalife is actually really good, they must be trying to free up their payroll for stephano...
Drewbie is living with team MVP, and any of our players that go to Korea will train/live with MVP.
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What happened with Millenium?
Feel bad for those guys, they supported HuK and Stephano when they were up and coming and lost them to big teams.
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On September 19 2011 11:41 emc wrote:
coL and MVP are two different teams, it's just like SK and oGs, MC only uses the SK tag when playing internationally. So if this allows coL to train with MVP that's great but I kind of doubt that was the deal that was arranged. Is drewbie training with MVP? I know he is on coL and is in korea, if he isn't training with MVP then I dunno why stephano took this deal. Must be that coL has more money than millennium and can send him to all of the MLG's, IEMs and possibly GSL.
lol, and coL gave up firezerg and stalife? I think stalife is actually really good, they must be trying to free up their payroll for stephano...
stalife barely ever plays anymore though TT
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On September 19 2011 11:41 emc wrote:
coL and MVP are two different teams, it's just like SK and oGs, MC only uses the SK tag when playing internationally. So if this allows coL to train with MVP that's great but I kind of doubt that was the deal that was arranged. Is drewbie training with MVP? I know he is on coL and is in korea, if he isn't training with MVP then I dunno why stephano took this deal. Must be that coL has more money than millennium and can send him to all of the MLG's, IEMs and possibly GSL.
lol, and coL gave up firezerg and stalife? I think stalife is actually really good, they must be trying to free up their payroll for stephano...
Stalife is good but he's inactive due to work... that's probably why he was released. Same with FireZerg.
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Awesome!
Stephano is definately my favorite player.
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Awesome! Have been seeing some very impressive play by Stephano, nice pick from coL with him just beginning a year of SC2 training!
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Definitely a good pick. Stephano was amazing, and now that he can devote more time, I have no doubt he'll be performing very well. Good luck to him!
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On September 19 2011 11:46 ranjutan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 11:45 Angelbelow wrote:
Drewbie doesnt train at the MVP house though. Drewbie is currently at the GOM house.
Naniwa is actually the one thats training at MVP and hes on dignitas. Aren't drewbie and Naniwa both at MVP house? or was I hallucinating that video thing? o_o
I changed my post, I was thinking of someone else. Drewbie does live in the MVP house.
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ok, I wasn't sure if drewbie actually trained with MVP, glad to see that is actually option otherwise I couldn't see why he would join coL but now I see the reason. I think we're going to see stephano qualify for GSL next season and we'll probably be seeing him at every MLG as well.
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this is great news for coL!
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Huuuuge pickup for coL! i hope they take good care of this Gosu.
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Congrats to both compLexity and Stephano.
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On September 19 2011 11:41 emc wrote:
coL and MVP are two different teams, it's just like SK and oGs, MC only uses the SK tag when playing internationally. So if this allows coL to train with MVP that's great but I kind of doubt that was the deal that was arranged. Is drewbie training with MVP? I know he is on coL and is in korea, if he isn't training with MVP then I dunno why stephano took this deal. Must be that coL has more money than millennium and can send him to all of the MLG's, IEMs and possibly GSL.
lol, and coL gave up firezerg and stalife? I think stalife is actually really good, they must be trying to free up their payroll for stephano...
Drewbie is training in the MVP house in Korea. Certainly if Stephano were to go to Korea he would be doing the same.
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wow thats fucking awesome
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That's sick, coL fighting!
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Wow, a smart investment by Col. GL, Stephano. I look forward to seeing you play at MLG.
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CoL.Stephano sounds awesome. Really good pick for CoL...
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J’ai déjà reçu des propositions d’équipes « de renommée internationale » que j’ai déclinées. Donc mon année à venir est chez Millenium je pense. Presque toutes les grandes équipes EU m’ont fait une demande. interview here
In this interview he says he declined every demand and he is planning this coming year in Millenium.
My bet why Stefy left is probably the bad ambiance in the millenium team with many players being Bad mannered in practice matches, adel and stephano said it quite often... Plus I saw Tarson litterally shitting on Stephano' stream, now thats just me.
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Wow talk about a huge pickup...didn't think Stephano was looking to leave Millenium or what not, thats an enormously big pickup, he's been by far the hottest foreigner player the past month or two.
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Wow, this is a pretty sick pick up for col. Stephano is such a solid player... and coL didn't really have a good zerg on their roster. Best choice pick up I've seen from any team recently..
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HUGE news.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Stephano is a monster. The idea that he could be going to Korea to stay in the same house as DongRaeGu excites me to no end.
This also means Stephano will be attending more live events, and I think that this is the big step he needed to finally get the recognition he deserves.
Stephano recently + Show Spoiler +Beat MMA in the IPL 3 Qualifiers and anyone who saw MMA crush NesTea in Arena of Legends should know that's no easy feat
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Huge pickup, just now I was just watching him play MMA for IPL qualis. Very impressive indeed.
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sad for millennium and there's gonna be a lot of angry french fans
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:O what a baws. Big news for CoL- a strong player for a team that really hasn't been impressive of late
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After seeing ToD leave, I was wondering if/when Stephano would also leave Millennium.
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Very cool, I've considered Stephano to be one of the top few foreign Z for awhile and he's certainly getting some recognition now. I have to believe this really, really strengthens coL.'s roster and gives their team a legit high-level Z to practice against.
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Don't hate on me for this opinion, but I think that Stephano will be the next #1 foriegner.
He is young, up-and-coming, and showing results.
+ Show Spoiler +He JUST beat Kiwi,Puzzle,MMA,Socke, and one more person to qualify for the IPL. MMA beat Nestea. Stephano beat MMA.
This kid is a SERIOUS threat.
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I've heard a lot about him, hope to see him on Korean scene!
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Wow, big pick up, Congrats coL. good luck Stephano!
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Amazing pick-up. Best of luck to both.
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On September 19 2011 12:10 Steelavocado wrote:Don't hate on me for this opinion, but I think that Stephano will be the next #1 foriegner. He is young, up-and-coming, and showing results. + Show Spoiler +He JUST beat Kiwi,Puzzle,MMA,Socke, and one more person to qualify for the IPL. MMA beat Nestea. Stephano beat MMA. This kid is a SERIOUS threat.
Everyone is scared of this kid... To think he will/or is playing full-time is a scary scary thought. He is unreal.
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Complexity is becoming a very strong team!
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Stephano is so hyped it would be sick to finally see him at an MLG.
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Knew it was going to happen! Great pick up :D
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Wow great job, Complexity, on getting an absolutely top notch Zerg player who is only going to improve since he's taking a leave from school.
Congrats.
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On September 19 2011 12:10 Steelavocado wrote:Don't hate on me for this opinion, but I think that Stephano will be the next #1 foriegner. He is young, up-and-coming, and showing results. + Show Spoiler +He JUST beat Kiwi,Puzzle,MMA,Socke, and one more person to qualify for the IPL. MMA beat Nestea. Stephano beat MMA. This kid is a SERIOUS threat.
He very well could be. If he went to Korea, I wouldn't be surprised if he became top 3 Zergs in the world.
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Complexity used to have a pretty massive roster and after their acquisition of ROOT, it became obvious that some of their older roster wasn't really there competitively when every clan war consisted of the former-ROOT players and Cruncher.
Along with more serious pickups and partnerships, it should be expected that some of the older squad would be dropped eventually. Complexity's Starcraft 2 squad is relatively tight now and pretty strong overall with the standouts being Catz, Cruncher, TriMaster, Drewbie, Minigun and Stephano.
Ryze and RSVP are pretty good too, I don't think I've even seen Ryan play recently though so I don't know what to say there. Overall though, I'm glad that Complexity is tightening it's roster and making some good pickups. I'm also glad they're not just dropping everyone from their old roster and keeping only the players I mentioned as standouts, as long as a player is committed to Starcraft 2 and decent, with partnerships and opportunities like the MVP house, improvement is possible as long as the drive is there. When results aren't there and a player doesn't seem to be willing or able to put in the effort to make up for it, that's when it makes sense to drop them.
Anyways, awesome pickup, great for Complexity.
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An excellent pick up for complexity
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Well I certainly got blind sighted with this one, amazing pickup though and Stephano owns, GL!
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Hands down the best addition to coL. Great pickup - congrats.
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I am reallyyyy like what compLexity is doing lately...very good pickup.
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On September 19 2011 12:10 Steelavocado wrote:Don't hate on me for this opinion, but I think that Stephano will be the next #1 foriegner. He is young, up-and-coming, and showing results. + Show Spoiler +He JUST beat Kiwi,Puzzle,MMA,Socke, and one more person to qualify for the IPL. MMA beat Nestea. Stephano beat MMA. This kid is a SERIOUS threat.
he's good, but he is abusing infestors and that's all I've seen him do. In the IPL
+ Show Spoiler +he is currently facing MMA and the score is 1-1. First game stephano was behind in supply the whole game and surely was losing but infestors being cost effective, wins him the game. Game 2 MMA figures out his style and bunker pushes knowing infestors can't do a thing against them.
I'm not hating and it's obvious he is better than destiny who hasn't put up any results like stephano but he is definitely abusing infestors in every match up. I'm wondering if this guy can even play reactive.
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I love how this happens as Millenium is starting a pro-gaming house.
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On September 19 2011 11:41 emc wrote:
coL and MVP are two different teams, it's just like SK and oGs, MC only uses the SK tag when playing internationally. So if this allows coL to train with MVP that's great but I kind of doubt that was the deal that was arranged. Is drewbie training with MVP? I know he is on coL and is in korea, if he isn't training with MVP then I dunno why stephano took this deal. Must be that coL has more money than millennium and can send him to all of the MLG's, IEMs and possibly GSL.
lol, and coL gave up firezerg and stalife? I think stalife is actually really good, they must be trying to free up their payroll for stephano...
Drewbie is in the MVP house so I assume he is training with the MVP players. I'm sure this played a huge role in Stephano's decision, along with the money that complexity has of course.
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does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave.
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wow thats huge pickup for col, gratz to them and Stephano!
so excited that i am gonna see Stephano in more tournaments now!
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Stephano is not "abusing infestors". I see him play since the first egg-one star league (french league, when he was one of the 16 invited players and everybody thought he wasnt good enough ... see ?), and he's still one of my favorite players, and he used many styles, muta heavy, fast ultra, and yes, sometimes, infestors.
But no, he's not "abusing infestors".
About CoL and Millenium ... well, it's very sad for Millenium which will disappear for sure if they don't add any good player in their line-up.
Stephano is gone, ToD is gone. Stephano was the better player, along with Tarson while ToD was the most famous. They still had Tarson, Diestar, Lalush and Adelscott, who are very good player ... but seriously, they are like Cruncher, TriMaster or Minigun : good, but not excellent player.
It was obvious that Stephano was going to leave M, but i thought it was for a really good team, i mean, like mousesports or EG, not a middle-class team like CoL.
Well, good luck to him, i'll continue to chear for him.
im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave.
What the hell ? He is going to crush player like them. It's like if you said "Oh, i'm excited to see him play against players like Kalin and TLO"
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kinda feel bad for Millenium, they have a habit of building up sick players who then get siphoned off by american teams. Obviously a massive opportunity for stephano tho, looking forward to some sick play (and hopefully a stint in the mvp house).
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wow now i have no reason to hate coL
Biggest pickup after HuK
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On September 19 2011 12:14 Utinni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:10 Steelavocado wrote:Don't hate on me for this opinion, but I think that Stephano will be the next #1 foriegner. He is young, up-and-coming, and showing results. + Show Spoiler +He JUST beat Kiwi,Puzzle,MMA,Socke, and one more person to qualify for the IPL. MMA beat Nestea. Stephano beat MMA. This kid is a SERIOUS threat. Everyone is scared of this kid... To think he will/or is playing full-time is a scary scary thought. He is unreal.
Somehow I think the whole Stephano hype thing is gonna die at MLG Orlando .. the same way Kas' died at DH.. As much respect as he deserves for his showings -- and he does --- Stephano would never beat MMA in a LAN event, unless he goes to Korea for a few months...
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On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave.
o rly ?
Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude.
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On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude.
One of the best foreigners and one of the best in Europe, sure, but I wouldn't say he's one of the best in the world. There are a lot of Koreans better than him from what I've seen.
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Awesome. good luck to Stephano.
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awesome, just watched his IPL3 finals against mma.. great stuff!
XD
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So what is going to happen to Millenium? they have lost ToD (i <3 ToD's style) and now Stephano (also quite kickass) they have gone from a possibly dominant team to what looks like nothing. Why would they let this happen? and how come it seems like we as a game are moving toward about 10-12 teams full of stars? idk if i like the way this looks, i love that they will get more time to shine but the fact that it seems like millenium is down the drain kind of sucks.
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sick, SICK pickup!
Given his decision to take a 1 yr break from university, this guy could become the best foreigner player IMO :D
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Strong. Good to pick up man-who-beats-Koreans.
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Goddam Stephano, sign me up. I want to be his fan!
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On September 19 2011 12:31 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:14 Utinni wrote:On September 19 2011 12:10 Steelavocado wrote:Don't hate on me for this opinion, but I think that Stephano will be the next #1 foriegner. He is young, up-and-coming, and showing results. + Show Spoiler +He JUST beat Kiwi,Puzzle,MMA,Socke, and one more person to qualify for the IPL. MMA beat Nestea. Stephano beat MMA. This kid is a SERIOUS threat. Everyone is scared of this kid... To think he will/or is playing full-time is a scary scary thought. He is unreal. Somehow I think the whole Stephano hype thing is gonna die at MLG Orlando .. the same way Kas' died at DH.. As much respect as he deserves for his showings -- and he does --- Stephano would never beat MMA in a LAN event, unless he goes to Korea for a few months...
MMA actually said the korean community considers Stephano to be a top 5 foreigner right now
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On September 19 2011 12:43 dgwow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:31 s4life wrote:On September 19 2011 12:14 Utinni wrote:On September 19 2011 12:10 Steelavocado wrote:Don't hate on me for this opinion, but I think that Stephano will be the next #1 foriegner. He is young, up-and-coming, and showing results. + Show Spoiler +He JUST beat Kiwi,Puzzle,MMA,Socke, and one more person to qualify for the IPL. MMA beat Nestea. Stephano beat MMA. This kid is a SERIOUS threat. Everyone is scared of this kid... To think he will/or is playing full-time is a scary scary thought. He is unreal. Somehow I think the whole Stephano hype thing is gonna die at MLG Orlando .. the same way Kas' died at DH.. As much respect as he deserves for his showings -- and he does --- Stephano would never beat MMA in a LAN event, unless he goes to Korea for a few months... MMA actually said the korean community considers Stephano to be a top 5 foreigner right now
Looking forward to seeing him at the IPL championships
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On September 19 2011 12:46 xajukx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:43 dgwow wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 s4life wrote:On September 19 2011 12:14 Utinni wrote:On September 19 2011 12:10 Steelavocado wrote:Don't hate on me for this opinion, but I think that Stephano will be the next #1 foriegner. He is young, up-and-coming, and showing results. + Show Spoiler +He JUST beat Kiwi,Puzzle,MMA,Socke, and one more person to qualify for the IPL. MMA beat Nestea. Stephano beat MMA. This kid is a SERIOUS threat. Everyone is scared of this kid... To think he will/or is playing full-time is a scary scary thought. He is unreal. Somehow I think the whole Stephano hype thing is gonna die at MLG Orlando .. the same way Kas' died at DH.. As much respect as he deserves for his showings -- and he does --- Stephano would never beat MMA in a LAN event, unless he goes to Korea for a few months... MMA actually said the korean community considers Stephano to be a top 5 foreigner right now And then Stephano beat MMA 2:1 in the IPL 3 qualifier finals Looking forward to seeing him at the IPL championships
Spoiler please. Not everyone has seen the games
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On September 19 2011 12:43 dgwow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:31 s4life wrote:On September 19 2011 12:14 Utinni wrote:On September 19 2011 12:10 Steelavocado wrote:Don't hate on me for this opinion, but I think that Stephano will be the next #1 foriegner. He is young, up-and-coming, and showing results. + Show Spoiler +He JUST beat Kiwi,Puzzle,MMA,Socke, and one more person to qualify for the IPL. MMA beat Nestea. Stephano beat MMA. This kid is a SERIOUS threat. Everyone is scared of this kid... To think he will/or is playing full-time is a scary scary thought. He is unreal. Somehow I think the whole Stephano hype thing is gonna die at MLG Orlando .. the same way Kas' died at DH.. As much respect as he deserves for his showings -- and he does --- Stephano would never beat MMA in a LAN event, unless he goes to Korea for a few months... MMA actually said the korean community considers Stephano to be a top 5 foreigner right now
a top 5 foreigner ONLINE player for sure.. LAN events are a whole different thing. Nerchio got his ass kicked in the last LAN with koreans in it and he is also considered a top 5 zerg... same with Kas.
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no offense to coL, but i dont concider the coLMVP guys as full coL members yet.
So its not about stephano being good enough for coL, its about coL being good enough for stephano Oo
I simply dont like organizations with players from 3 different continents, while the koreans are like... only related to them, but not full members :/
EG's steps e.g. (hehe) make much more sense in my opinion.
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On September 19 2011 12:40 docvoc wrote:
So what is going to happen to Millenium? they have lost ToD (i <3 ToD's style) and now Stephano (also quite kickass) they have gone from a possibly dominant team to what looks like nothing. Why would they let this happen? and how come it seems like we as a game are moving toward about 10-12 teams full of stars? idk if i like the way this looks, i love that they will get more time to shine but the fact that it seems like millenium is down the drain kind of sucks.
I remember hearing something about how Millenium was mostly focused on France, and not too much on anything international.
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On September 19 2011 12:51 DiaBoLuS wrote:
no offense to coL, but i dont concider the coLMVP guys as full coL members yet.
So its not about stephano being good enough for coL, its about coL being good enough for stephano Oo
I simply dont like organizations with players from 3 different continents, while the koreans are like... only related to them, but not full members :/
EG's steps e.g. (hehe) make much more sense in my opinion.
If you have the monies -- and col does apparently -- you can buy w/e player you want.
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On September 19 2011 12:51 DiaBoLuS wrote:
no offense to coL, but i dont concider the coLMVP guys as full coL members yet.
So its not about stephano being good enough for coL, its about coL being good enough for stephano Oo
I simply dont like organizations with players from 3 different continents, while the koreans are like... only related to them, but not full members :/
EG's steps e.g. (hehe) make much more sense in my opinion.
I understand how you feel about coL.MVP but at the end of the day the reason DongRaeGu was at MLG Raleigh and Dreamhack Valencia was because of coL, and the reason Drewbie is in Korea is because of MVP. It's a very nice partnership we're happy to have.
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On September 19 2011 12:51 DiaBoLuS wrote:
no offense to coL, but i dont concider the coLMVP guys as full coL members yet.
So its not about stephano being good enough for coL, its about coL being good enough for stephano Oo
I simply dont like organizations with players from 3 different continents, while the koreans are like... only related to them, but not full members :/
EG's steps e.g. (hehe) make much more sense in my opinion.
MVP players practice with Complexity and treat coL members like they are part of their team.
I remember DRG doing a interview in which he said he try's to interact and practice with Complexity members as much as possible.
Don't understand why you're upset at this incredible pickup, but ok.
I prefer International teams over ones that stay In one location
coL also finances all the Koreans from MVP to foreign events which is always a great thing to have
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Extremely nice pickup by col. This team getting pretty strong imo.
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Hahaha this is a silly typo, they actually are saying Stephano joins Liquid!
EDIT: read the full post, omg I am so sad to see stalife and firezerg go  I liked them!
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Good for col, Good for stephano, hope he continues to do well in the future.
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On September 19 2011 12:51 DiaBoLuS wrote:
no offense to coL, but i dont concider the coLMVP guys as full coL members yet.
So its not about stephano being good enough for coL, its about coL being good enough for stephano Oo
I simply dont like organizations with players from 3 different continents, while the koreans are like... only related to them, but not full members :/
EG's steps e.g. (hehe) make much more sense in my opinion.
Care to elaborate, what you said doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
A player pickup with tons of animosity from the team they picked him from is better than a good natured partnership that helps to grow two teams together? Some clarification would be cool here because EG's handling of these things haven't exactly been the model to follow in my opinion. I much prefer Complexity's approach.
As for Complexity being "good enough for Stephano", you wouldn't say the same about Puma on EG?
I find Complexity's handling of business and player relations to be pretty good in general and their partnership with MVP was really a more close-knit business relationship than we've seen from any foreign team, the only other that comes close is Team Liquid with oGs and even that's not as knit together, particularly with the SK involvement.
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epic!!
great pickkk!!! congratz to complexity!
As for Stephano, everybody knows you are going far, it is now ONLY up to you! =)
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OH YEAH! STEPHANO TO ORLANDO!
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Nice pickup for Col, they are starting to become a very dangerous team!
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Nice pick up for coL!!
I spent this weekend watching stephano go through the qualifiers for the recent ign qualifier. Very nice play out of him.
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Nice pickup for coL!
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On September 19 2011 12:31 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:14 Utinni wrote:On September 19 2011 12:10 Steelavocado wrote:Don't hate on me for this opinion, but I think that Stephano will be the next #1 foriegner. He is young, up-and-coming, and showing results. + Show Spoiler +He JUST beat Kiwi,Puzzle,MMA,Socke, and one more person to qualify for the IPL. MMA beat Nestea. Stephano beat MMA. This kid is a SERIOUS threat. Everyone is scared of this kid... To think he will/or is playing full-time is a scary scary thought. He is unreal. Somehow I think the whole Stephano hype thing is gonna die at MLG Orlando .. the same way Kas' died at DH.. As much respect as he deserves for his showings -- and he does --- Stephano would never beat MMA in a LAN event, unless he goes to Korea for a few months... Difference is that everyone who knew their stuff would have known that Kas is forever online beast, offline mediocre.
Stephano is the real deal though. And tbfh MLG Open Bracket is ridiculously tough.
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Ahh, Stephano could've gone to a better team, but i'm happy for him regardless.
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Really good for coL, maybe husky can call him Cornel Stephano now ;P
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Seems like Millennium is just a "training ground" for other teams to poach from. I know they can't offer the same opportunities as other teams; it still makes me a little sad.
Still, I love Stephano. I would say he's the European player with the most raw ability. Can't wait to see him develop with coL. Grats to all parties.
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Time to drop the dead weight on coL so they have more money to recruit players like Stephano.
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Stephano is an inspirational zerg for me. Hope to see him at some big tourneys now.
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coL keeps getting better :D
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Nice pickup, best european zerg. GL!
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On September 19 2011 13:04 MaestrO_ wrote:
Ahh, Stephano could've gone to a better team, but i'm happy for him regardless.
I dunno, a team that has ties with Korean players and the ability to send members to Korea seems to be a pretty god damn good team to me
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Complexity's very smart to grab this fella before someone else does. He'll probably have a lot more opportunities to attend events now.
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Oh shit, coL picked up EU's wrecking ball.
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Wow, this one came kind of out of the blue :O
Absolutely sick pick up for Col
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On September 19 2011 13:04 MaestrO_ wrote:
Ahh, Stephano could've gone to a better team, but i'm happy for him regardless.
What is with the shitting on coL going on in this thread? coL can give him anything any other top team has to offer.
Practice partners aren't an issue for any high level pro. They don't practice exclusively with their team.
And what opportunities can other teams give Stephano that coL can't? They can send him to basically any LAN event he wants to go to. They can set him up with an awesome training environment in a proteam house in Korea. What other teams can guarantee that? TL? That's about it.
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On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude.
o rly?
Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop.
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Well, this was unexpected, but nevertheless pretty cool :D!
Congrats to both coL and Stephano, I want to see him beast it up around the world.
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did stephano leave millenium before this?
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Congrats Stephano I'm watching you! GO FAR
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Homestory cup III:
Stephano > Huk, Inso, Naruto in the group stages
Stephano > Jinro, Xlord, White-ra in the main brackets
Only people he lost to all tournament: ThorZain and MC
Assembly Summer:
Stephano > BRAT_OK, Satiini, biGs
Stephano > Sen (!!!), Seiplo, BRAT_OK in the main brackets
Only person he lost to: Dimaga (2-3 in the semifinals).
The only thing holding Stephano back is that he hasn't had the opportunity to compete at many major LANs. With that changing, I expect big things.
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On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop.
Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay.
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Huge pickup for coL, goodluck!
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On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop.
He went to Homestory Cup 3 and made it out of his group without dropping a game, beating HuK 2-0 on the way( who went on to win the event later on) only losing to none other than Thorzain, not sure how anybody doesn't think Stephano is a top player. Definitely someone to look out for and one of the most talented foreigners i think. Great pickup for col.
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really, really solid pickup for complexity
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On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop.
IEM + Assembly. Don't just go to the tlpd results page. Actually watch the games and you'll appreciate his level.
This is coming from someone who never watches the small weekly euro cups
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On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop.
What are you talking about Stephano done really well in lans also
Stephano´s lan accomplisments:
2nd place Gamers Assembly 2011 Medion Tournament. 3rd place Sennheiser Cup
1st place Master Series Finals
3rd place LDLC Summer Trophy
Stephano traveled to Finland in order to compete in Assembly Summer 2011. He managed to take the first place of his group, winning against Brat_OK, biGs and Satiini,
and faced Sen in the round of 16 of the main bracket. Even though ZvZ is his weakest matchups, he narrowly beaten the Taiwanese player,
and then knocked Seiplo out of the tournament. Stephano was then pitted against another premier zerg player, Dimaga, in the semi finals. This time, he couldn't take the best over his opponent, and lost 2-3.
He faced again Brat_OK in the bronze match, and sharply defeated him 3-0 in order to take the third place of the tournament.
He also went very fare in HSC 3 beating Huk 2-0 and at IEM he beat Sase 2-0 lost to MaNa and Puma in a very close series 2-1 where Puma allmost got knocked out..
Stephano with his young age allrdy got bigger achievements then Idra in the last 5months
So saying he is an online hero is abit silly
Atm Stephano proberly best zerg in EU atm followed by Dimaga, Nerchio, Ret
and btw gz to complexity thats a huge deal now get him to korea he is to good for EU now
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what a loss for millenium.no,,,,,
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On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them.
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On September 19 2011 10:58 Darclite wrote:
Good luck dude!!!!
Not a surprise skill-wise, he's good enough to be on most teams.
Considering his recent match in the IPL, I'd say he's good enough to be on any team
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Big grats to both compLexity and Stephano! Best of luck
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the brains of catz the micro of stephano coL might have some sick zerg action coming
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Awesome for coL and Stephano, really can't wait to see him at MLG's now. Gl to you Stephano!
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On September 19 2011 13:41 theaxis12 wrote:
the brains of catz the micro of stephano coL might have some sick zerg action coming Brains of catz lol? CatZ isn't even in the same league as Stephano, Catz is a personality and a decent zerg, Stephano is among the worlds best and along side Nerchio the best two zergs in Europe.
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Complexity made the money choice right there!
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On September 19 2011 13:48 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 13:41 theaxis12 wrote:
the brains of catz the micro of stephano coL might have some sick zerg action coming Brains of catz lol? CatZ isn't even in the same league as Stephano, Catz is a personality and a decent zerg, Stephano is among the worlds best and along side Nerchio the best two zergs in Europe.
I don't think he was suggesting that Catz is comparable overall, but Catz is often commended on being a highly intelligent and unpredictable player. His strategies are often quite solid and well put together but he generally fails to execute them to their full potential.
Stephano has pretty good execution and is already fairly good in terms of strategy, having an extra Zerg brain that is known for creative play certainly won't be detrimental.
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Catz just sayd on his stream that he is so happy and have sayd for a long time that Stephano is the best foreign zerg atm and he was pushing hard to get him.
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Congrats to both great pick up for Col
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Congratz to both coL and Stephano. I really like Stephano's ZvT, particuarly his use of quickly upgraded speedlings to hold any early pushes, then going into a ling/infestor mid game. I still think he could be a little more careful with his infestors though, but overall I agree that currently he's one of, if not the best foreign zerg.
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On September 19 2011 14:00 Lunas wrote:
Catz just sayd on his stream that he is so happy and have sayd for a long time that Stephano is the best foreign zerg atm and he was pushing hard to get him.
Catz has always had a good eye for talent, probably one of the reasons why ROOT was the best team in North America before disbanding. He was also responsible for Complexity picking up TriMaster.
Honestly though, in regards to Stephano, you'd have to be near-blind to not see he's really talented.
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Looks like CoL. has zerg on lock down for the time being. GL Stephano an Congrats to CoL for snatching up a well rounded zerg.
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So manner from Complexity to announced it before Millenium. ><
I don't really understand this decision from Stephano, Millenium isn't a top tier team but so isn't complexity. It won't makes me like their line-up more. Good luck to him anyway.
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On September 19 2011 14:16 Otolia wrote:
So manner from Complexity to announced it before Millenium. ><
I don't really understand this decision from Stephano, Millenium isn't a top tier team but so isn't complexity. It won't makes me like their line-up more. Good luck to him anyway.
We absolutely meant no disrespect to Millenium and respect them very much. We simply did not want it to leak as it was apparent many people were aware of the situation. Once it was legally finalized we announced it.
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Amazing! Stephano is ready to rock the SC2 world. I hope he gets more time to compete because his play is stellar.
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On September 19 2011 14:16 Otolia wrote:
So manner from Complexity to announced it before Millenium. ><
I don't really understand this decision from Stephano, Millenium isn't a top tier team but so isn't complexity. It won't makes me like their line-up more. Good luck to him anyway.
This is more or less how teams are getting top tier now. Complexity seems to have a more balanced approach to it though, which is even more apparent with how long they had kept their original roster even after they got a lot of stronger players, waiting to see if eventually they will produce results and providing them with the means to train with the best.
I mean honestly, would have you have said EG was a top tier team when Puma joined?
There really aren't that many teams I can think of that would have been a better choice here, teams get better by picking up good players and training their existing players. Complexity is doing both.
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On September 19 2011 14:16 Otolia wrote:
So manner from Complexity to announced it before Millenium. ><
I don't really understand this decision from Stephano, Millenium isn't a top tier team but so isn't complexity. It won't makes me like their line-up more. Good luck to him anyway.
As much as I like Millenium they cant provide Stephano with what he need. MLG spot and a trip to korea in a pro house is what Stephano needs now, he cant improve anymore in europe atm
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this is so sick!! i fucking love stephano!
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On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them.
off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like
mOoNgLaDeZ
coL. caTz
EG. Machine
Liquid`Haypro
Liquid`Shesh
EG. Idra
Protech
coL. Slush
Liquid Ret
Destiny
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On September 19 2011 14:19 jlake02 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 14:16 Otolia wrote:
So manner from Complexity to announced it before Millenium. ><
I don't really understand this decision from Stephano, Millenium isn't a top tier team but so isn't complexity. It won't makes me like their line-up more. Good luck to him anyway. We absolutely meant no disrespect to Millenium and respect them very much. We simply did not want it to leak as it was apparent many people were aware of the situation. Once it was legally finalized we announced it.
Don't try to defend yourself, Millenium was forced to cover it during the night and the news was made by a LoL news writer and not a SC2 one. It is bad mannered and you know it. The rest is just small talk to look good.
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did not see this comming... but gl to both col and stephano!
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On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech ReignSlush Liquid Ret Destiny
A lot of those are a massive stretch.
On September 19 2011 14:28 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 14:19 jlake02 wrote:On September 19 2011 14:16 Otolia wrote:
So manner from Complexity to announced it before Millenium. ><
I don't really understand this decision from Stephano, Millenium isn't a top tier team but so isn't complexity. It won't makes me like their line-up more. Good luck to him anyway. We absolutely meant no disrespect to Millenium and respect them very much. We simply did not want it to leak as it was apparent many people were aware of the situation. Once it was legally finalized we announced it. Don't try to defend yourself, Millenium was forced to cover it during the night and the news was made by a LoL news writer and not a SC2 one. It is bad mannered and you know it. The rest is just small talk to look good.
Why the fuck are you trying to create drama where there is none?
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Holy shit, Grats Stephano... I hope he goes to MLG
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On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny Mate, you best be trying to troll here. Stephano is definitively better than HayprO, Machine, CatZ, mOOnGLaDe and Protech. The ones that he would have to "prove" himself against is IdrA, Ret and Sheth mainly. But lately he have had far better results than them.
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On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny
Are you joking?? None of these zergs except ret got the achivements Stephano got online and in Lan the last 3months. That list is insulting. Do you actually know who Stephano is?
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On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny
lol the only ones on your list who are better than stephano achievement wise are idra and Liquid ret and ins his current form he's defintely better than than those two
no comment on the rest of your list
gz stephano
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On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny
lol Protech, does that guy even play 1v1?
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On September 19 2011 14:33 Lunas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny Are you joking?? None of these zergs except ret got the achivements Stephano got online and in Lan the last 3months. That list is insulting. Do you actually know who Stephano is?
No im not joking and i hope stephan does well the scene could use a new up and coming player.. hopefully stephano will impress us in his first major foreign tourney but until then im betting on proven winners...
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On September 19 2011 14:30 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech ReignSlush Liquid Ret Destiny A lot of those are a massive stretch. Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 14:28 Otolia wrote:On September 19 2011 14:19 jlake02 wrote:On September 19 2011 14:16 Otolia wrote:
So manner from Complexity to announced it before Millenium. ><
I don't really understand this decision from Stephano, Millenium isn't a top tier team but so isn't complexity. It won't makes me like their line-up more. Good luck to him anyway. We absolutely meant no disrespect to Millenium and respect them very much. We simply did not want it to leak as it was apparent many people were aware of the situation. Once it was legally finalized we announced it. Don't try to defend yourself, Millenium was forced to cover it during the night and the news was made by a LoL news writer and not a SC2 one. It is bad mannered and you know it. The rest is just small talk to look good. Why the fuck are you trying to create drama where there is none?
Really? That's actually a very legitimate gripe -- do you know what time it is in France when this was announced? It was like 3-4am. It's disrespectful to the team to not let them make the first announcement, or at least wait to announce it jointly with coL-Mill.
While Stephano wasn't contract with Millenium and coL didn't really do anything wrong, it was sorta disrespectful to Millenium to throw them under the bus that way. It's not a HUGE deal, but it's not just some guy starting random drama >_>
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On September 19 2011 14:36 Juanald wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 14:33 Lunas wrote:On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny Are you joking?? None of these zergs except ret got the achivements Stephano got online and in Lan the last 3months. That list is insulting. Do you actually know who Stephano is? No im not joking and i hope stephan does well the scene could use a new up and coming player.. hopefully stephano will impress us in his first major foreign tourney but until then im betting on proven winners...
but how can you put protech a player who only does 2v2 on that list? Destiny has NO results in major tournaments either, ret/idra do, Sheth I think, slush yeah he does do good at mlg's but pretty sure stephano is better then that whole list. catz hasn't done well at a major event he's done ok but not good, same with moonglade lol.
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So sad for Millenium, Stephano, ToD....
off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like
mOoNgLaDeZ
coL. caTz
EG. Machine
Liquid`Haypro
Liquid`Shesh
EG. Idra
Protech
coL. Slush
Liquid Ret
Destiny
I guess your have no idea about the european level (Dimaga, Nerchio, Stephano...)
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On September 19 2011 14:36 Juanald wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 14:33 Lunas wrote:On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny Are you joking?? None of these zergs except ret got the achivements Stephano got online and in Lan the last 3months. That list is insulting. Do you actually know who Stephano is? No im not joking and i hope stephan does well the scene could use a new up and coming player.. hopefully stephano will impress us in his first major foreign tourney but until then im betting on proven winners...
First major foreign tourney ??? He got 3rd at assemply summer beating Sen and lost in a close match 3-2 to dimaga. He beat huk at HSC cup he won senheiser cup and many more lans. allmsot kncoked Puma out in IEM. beat Sase 2-0.
I think you mistaken stephano with some1 els
Even Thorzain consider Stephano the best foreign zerg atm!
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On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny
Are you freaking kidding me ?
This has to be a troll list -_-
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Sickest pickup in a while. This will be so good for coL - I hope their support is good enough for Stephano to feel comfortable since so far they haven't been sporting players near his calibre (except for DRG). Congrats both!
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Xeris judging BM is slightly ironic.... Grats coL nice pick up
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On September 19 2011 14:37 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 14:36 Juanald wrote:On September 19 2011 14:33 Lunas wrote:On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny Are you joking?? None of these zergs except ret got the achivements Stephano got online and in Lan the last 3months. That list is insulting. Do you actually know who Stephano is? No im not joking and i hope stephan does well the scene could use a new up and coming player.. hopefully stephano will impress us in his first major foreign tourney but until then im betting on proven winners... but how can you put protech a player who only does 2v2 on that list? Destiny has NO results in major tournaments either, ret/idra do, Sheth I think, slush yeah he does do good at mlg's but pretty sure stephano is better then that whole list. catz hasn't done well at a major event he's done ok but not good, same with moonglade lol.
oh your right i was trying to think of the new up and coming zerg player who feature streams on this site often, it wasnt protech it was ViBe.. protech is good but he only tag teams.
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Love stephano
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Awesome, maybe now he'll be able to get his name out there, he sure deserves it.
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On September 19 2011 14:46 Juanald wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 14:37 blade55555 wrote:On September 19 2011 14:36 Juanald wrote:On September 19 2011 14:33 Lunas wrote:On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny Are you joking?? None of these zergs except ret got the achivements Stephano got online and in Lan the last 3months. That list is insulting. Do you actually know who Stephano is? No im not joking and i hope stephan does well the scene could use a new up and coming player.. hopefully stephano will impress us in his first major foreign tourney but until then im betting on proven winners... but how can you put protech a player who only does 2v2 on that list? Destiny has NO results in major tournaments either, ret/idra do, Sheth I think, slush yeah he does do good at mlg's but pretty sure stephano is better then that whole list. catz hasn't done well at a major event he's done ok but not good, same with moonglade lol. oh your right i was trying to think of the new up and coming zerg player who feature streams on this site often, it wasnt protech it was ViBe.. protech is good but he only tag teams.
No offense, but if you are mistaking Protech and Vibe, you may want to reconsider whether you know players well enough to make any sort of judgement about their skill.
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Solid pick up, good to see him finally get to an MLG and lay some smack down
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Awesome! Always happy to hear of more SC2 popularity, even if unfortunately it has to do with France :/ :-D
Edit: And about HackProTech - He's seriously best 2v2 ever, no questions asked.
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I didnt read the entire thread, but will Stephano go to the MVP house? Otherwise joining col doesnt make much sense for me ...
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Technically Protech is no zerg, besides that he doesn't play 2v2.
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Stephano is one of the best in the world to compare him with Haypro, Destiny, Machine, caTz... please stop these players make good results to MLG just beaucse he are invite players and he lose always ... Stephano beat MarineKingPrime, Puzzle, MMA, the proof MMA told him that even korea Stephano is considered top 3 foreign Zerg.
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On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny
Not even close
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Wow! congratulations to Stephano! You deserve this.
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Watched idra ret morrow destiny catz haypro and stephano stream, and the most impressive player is stephano.
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On September 19 2011 14:37 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 14:30 Mordiford wrote:On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech ReignSlush Liquid Ret Destiny A lot of those are a massive stretch. On September 19 2011 14:28 Otolia wrote:On September 19 2011 14:19 jlake02 wrote:On September 19 2011 14:16 Otolia wrote:
So manner from Complexity to announced it before Millenium. ><
I don't really understand this decision from Stephano, Millenium isn't a top tier team but so isn't complexity. It won't makes me like their line-up more. Good luck to him anyway. We absolutely meant no disrespect to Millenium and respect them very much. We simply did not want it to leak as it was apparent many people were aware of the situation. Once it was legally finalized we announced it. Don't try to defend yourself, Millenium was forced to cover it during the night and the news was made by a LoL news writer and not a SC2 one. It is bad mannered and you know it. The rest is just small talk to look good. Why the fuck are you trying to create drama where there is none? Really? That's actually a very legitimate gripe -- do you know what time it is in France when this was announced? It was like 3-4am. It's disrespectful to the team to not let them make the first announcement, or at least wait to announce it jointly with coL-Mill. While Stephano wasn't contract with Millenium and coL didn't really do anything wrong, it was sorta disrespectful to Millenium to throw them under the bus that way. It's not a HUGE deal, but it's not just some guy starting random drama >_>
The original question was perfectly valid, but it was addressed by a Complexity representative. Making an issue of something that really shouldn't be one is a little unnecessary after that, it was already addressed. I doubt there was some ulterior motive or intention to disrespect Millenium and since the question was already responded to, what reason was there to pursue further? What can come of it?
Once again, note that I only addressed the aggressive second post as the first one posed a perfectly valid question.
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HUGE pick up from coL.
Honestly thought they would stay quite for awhile but seems like the ball just keeps rolling for them.
Sometimes huge marketing campaigns just aren't needed to be shocking :D (despite my love for them)
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Col is snagging some really good players I am excited to see how they will start doing in team leagues.
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Nice pick up. Good luck with the new team.
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This guy is ridiculously good. Just watch how effortlessly he streams macro games and demolishes people.
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yes! such a talented zerg with an organization that can afford to keep him going!
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Millenium can't be happy about losing ToD and Stephano in such a shot period of time.
Great pick up by CoL anyway ! I hope seeing him more in mlg and stuff.
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Solid pickup 
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That list someone posted earlier is so freakin hilarious :D
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Uhm, I don't understand this. I considered Stephano a very intelligent person.
Now he joins a team which is WAY below his level. The players are not good enough to be proper practice partners for him. It's not even close, mediocre Americans, only Trimaster might show great improvement in the future. Stephano must have gotten a very, very good contract which includes teamhousing in Korea and free trips to all tournaments worldwide. Otherwise it would be really dissapointing to see him joining this team.
Nevertheless I wish him and CoL all the best and a lot of success!
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Did Stephano's contract expire or what? Where are the typical complaints about team A "stealing" a player from team B?
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On September 19 2011 15:26 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Uhm, I don't understand this. I considered Stephano a very intelligent person.
Now he joins a team which is WAY below his level. The players are not good enough to be proper practice partners for him. It's not even close, mediocre Americans, only Trimaster might show great improvement in the future. Stephano must have gotten a very, very good contract. Otherwise it would be really dissapointing to see him joining this team.
Nevertheless I wish him and CoL all the best and a lot of success!
It's not like he loses his current practice partners, which I'm sure did not consist of that many millenium players anyway, and he probably will go to korea to practice due to the col.mvp arrangement.
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On September 19 2011 15:26 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Uhm, I don't understand this. I considered Stephano a very intelligent person.
Now he joins a team which is WAY below his level. The players are not good enough to be proper practice partners for him. It's not even close, mediocre Americans, only Trimaster might show great improvement in the future. Stephano must have gotten a very, very good contract which includes teamhousing in Korea and free trips to all tournaments worldwide. Otherwise it would be really dissapointing to see him joining this team.
Nevertheless I wish him and CoL all the best and a lot of success!
He isn't very interested in going to Korea immediately. The contract is more than likely the reasons for this as well as going to the MLG (which is completely useless for EU players). The french scene has a real problem in founding. It is sad to see Stephano going now that [M] add a reliable income source with his webtv.
On September 19 2011 15:28 syllogism wrote:
Did Stephano's contract expire or what? Where are the typical complaints about team A "stealing" a player from team B?
So far I know, Stephano didn't had a contract because he is still young (barely 18). It would have come eventually this month or the other but I guess he didn't want to wait. On the other hand, US law is null in France, so he can still quits whenever he wants, he isn't really bonded to coL.
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HAha what the hell! Really nice for coL but Millennium with their new pro gaming house will miss out on stephano ~~
Gl steph and coL!
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Grats! He's definitely in the absolute top tier of foreigners. If anyone disagrees, they haven't seen him play.
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Congrats Stephano! will they send him to the MVP house? That would be awesome
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Whoa!! Very nice pickup from coL. Also yeah, that list Juanald posted earlier was absolutely hilarious, it seems whenever he posts it's something kind of stupid where he shows massive ignorance of the EU scene and overrates NA players like hell. It's pretty funny.
Anyways, Stephano is basically one of the best zergs around (outside of korea of course) if you've seen any of his weekly cup games. Yes, they're mostly just against random GM EU players, but he beats them into submission so badly and makes it look far too easy.
And he's just a little schoolboy.
He hasn't been in a team house as far as I know. This guy in, say, the MVP house would be one of the most terrifying (yet french) things ever.
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LOL at people saying Idra is at the same level as Stephano ^^. Awesome pickup!
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Hope to seem him at MLG's and wreck some faces Tired of people saying IdrA is the best foreign zerg
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On September 19 2011 15:26 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Uhm, I don't understand this. I considered Stephano a very intelligent person.
Now he joins a team which is WAY below his level. The players are not good enough to be proper practice partners for him. It's not even close, mediocre Americans, only Trimaster might show great improvement in the future. Stephano must have gotten a very, very good contract which includes teamhousing in Korea and free trips to all tournaments worldwide. Otherwise it would be really dissapointing to see him joining this team.
Nevertheless I wish him and CoL all the best and a lot of success!
Umm any coL player can go to the team house in Korea, so of course its in his contract.
coL is a great team and knows what they are doing. This is the right move for Stephano. Better contract and great opportunity. I hope he goes to Korea and trains in the MVP house because he shows a lot of promise.
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Dont know if this is a good idea. Stephano is much better in my opinion than the whole col-clan.
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YEAH!!! Zerg zerg zerg.. the little wonderkid.. good luck dude
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good stuff, hope to see his play go up a notch with players like DRG, noblesse, and genius to play with, should he head to korea
glhf stephano
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Such a sick pickup, btw didn't Stephano say he is gonna take a year off of school to focus on SC2? So sick...
Grats to both parties.
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compLexity got a new MvP. gogogo Stephano! (^_^)
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Holy shit Stephano! - Go and destroy the world, good luck cutie. <3
edit: STEPHANO AT MLG?! WTF!!! he is going to take that open bracket apart. :D
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i'm pretty sure when he was on Sheth's 24 hour marathon he said he was only going to be playing SC2 professionally to make some money (for like the next year) and then he was going to med school. He wasn't really that much into the idea of making a career out of SC2. So I imagine we'll see him in a lot of upcoming tournaments, but the Korea thing I don't really see happening. Anyway, he's an awesome player so good for coL. for the next year.
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Always liked Stephano....we have the same given name.
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Will be nice to see him at future mlg's
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Excellent player. Hope to see him at more events!
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lol my roommate totally saw it coming.
We heard CatZ and Trimaster (and Minigun, dunno tbh) talking on stream about Ultralisks and how bad they are.
They also talked about Stephano and his sick skills (I just sat there nodding for like 3 minutes)
my roommate just apeared and said after 10 secs:"so they`ll give him a contract?"
and I was like:"no,u fkn gold leager gtfo"
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Sick player, sad that he left Millenium. GL to him.
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That came from left field. I thought I read something about Millenium setting up a pro house where Stephano would play.
Great pick up for Complexity though, they definitely needed this!
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Wow is that Stephano? He looks like that French thief dude from the Ocean's movies kind of. Congrats to him, Compllexity is easily one of those big rich teams that can send him anywhere.
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This is some sick news! Never saw this coming!
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:O? Really? I have a hard time imagining seeing "CoLStephano" but whatever
Hope this will turn out better for him then
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This is a pretty sick pick up for coL. He's one of the best foreigner zergs. He has a lot of potential. With the coL-MVP partnership maybe he can work with DRG :D
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coL_Stephano + coL-MVP._DRG
wow i am on heaven
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On September 19 2011 16:23 Newbistic wrote:
Wow is that Stephano? He looks like that French thief dude from the Ocean's movies kind of. Congrats to him, Compllexity is easily one of those big rich teams that can send him anywhere.
You got it right at least he's French...
A very talented zerg player in Europe, probably one of the better ones at the moment.
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On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny
Haha, your troll posts always make me laugh, as opposed to other trolls on this site. Good to see you're still at it, complete with deliberately spelling the names incorrectly as well.
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Very surprising move skillwise, since Stephano is far superior to anyone in complexity. The only reason for him joining col. is that he probably wants to go to Korea any time soon and train with MVP guys. Otherwise this transfer doesn't make any sense for Stephano. However for complexity he's a huge pick up they can only dream of.
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I would say this is a larger pickup than HuK going to EG.
It seems that Xeris is quite upset, guess he was on his wish list, same as Strelok.
GL Stephano, great manner, great gamer.
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Nice
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Great news. Stephano is probably one of the best foreigners right now and now that he focuses fully on SC2 I only expect him to get even better. Looking forward to see him at MLG even if he has to get through the dreaded Open bracket
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awesome news, looking forward to see Stephano kicking ass in the name of col!
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Best addition in a long time. Guy has sick potential.
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Kinda expected he was gonna get picked up by a big team soon. He is the best zerg outside korea atm. Better then sheth/idra/nerchio/ret imo.
He just has to start speaking english soon.
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Fuck, i just woke up, and after reading the results from the GSL and now this, i want to go to bed again. Too bad he left Millenium for such a weak team as Complexity (not counting their "korean" counterparts). Millenium really got fucked hard as they had bet on him for the future, with the prohouse in Marseille and all that. Well, at least he's going to have more money.
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Congrats on the pickup/sponsorship! And GL at all the new events, Stephano!
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I expect big things Stephano! You're already sick good
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I'm actually not sure if I feel good about this. As much as I like more financial support for players (I assume that's why he moved), the players that are/were in Millenium are imo for the most part better than all of the players on Complexity, not to mention Stephano who is easily better than all of them. I doubt they can be good enough practice partners unless he can have some games with MVP players.
Still cool that he will be at MLG now though. Totally going to win his part of the open bracket provided live event nerves don't get to him. If he doesn't suffer from that then I would say he'll get a top10 finish.
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Can't wait to see how he'll preform at mlg
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I'm so happy for this kid.
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On September 19 2011 17:01 Mr.Brightside wrote:
I'm actually not sure if I feel good about this. As much as I like more financial support for players (I assume that's why he moved), the players that are/were in Millenium are imo for the most part better than all of the players on Complexity, not to mention Stephano who is easily better than all of them. I doubt they can be good enough practice partners unless he can have some games with MVP players.
Still cool that he will be at MLG now though. Totally going to win his part of the open bracket provided live event nerves don't get to him. If he doesn't suffer from that then I would say he'll get a top10 finish.
Stephano at more events can only be a godod thing
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Good job Stephano!
I'm crossing my fingers that he fulfils his potential; he'll be practising with a lot more Koreans now. A bit sad for Millenium to see him leave, though.
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I feel sorry for Millenium as they are a fantastic team with great grassroots initiative in France. On the other hand, I'm sure Stephano signed a hefty contract to join with compLexity, and I'm happy for him that he's being financially rewarded for being such a great player and that he has even more incentive now to improve in the coming year.
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holy hell, hell of a pickup here, suprised no bigger teams have gone on for him, this guy has serious talent. Good Luck!!!!
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Millenium is losing a really good player. Hope some others players like Adelscott will be recruited from Millenium to a bigger team.
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And what's up with the first French team house he was dure to go in? I feel bad for Mill on that one :/
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I had hoped he would join mousesports, to have the three greatest talents of their respective races outside of korea playing on the same teams, but I gues this will do. I do feel bad for millenium, but it's a big investment of time for the players and they need to make the most of it. Congratulations stephano!
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As much as I like Col and Stephano, I'm sad for Millenium, they just lost their arguably two best players in a very short time (ToD and now Stephano), Hope they will be able to recover
Still, great news for Stephano, looking forward to seeing him at MLG
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Please please let Stephano go to Korea for a while and join the MVP house.
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Carmac knew it all along!
Sick pickup by complexity.
On September 19 2011 14:27 Juanald wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 13:37 Elem wrote:On September 19 2011 13:18 RealQ wrote:On September 19 2011 13:12 tuho12345 wrote:On September 19 2011 12:31 Eisenheim wrote:On September 19 2011 12:29 Juanald wrote:
does this mean he will be playing in foreign tourneys? im excited to see him in a foreign tourney so we can see how he fairs against players like Machine and Axslave. o rly ? Stephano is one of the best Z in the world dude. o rly? Let him prove it first before hyping over a couple online tourney please? Where was Stephano in all of the big LAN event in EU??? Has him and Nerchio ever step over the big name like Ret/Morrow/Sheth and Dimaga yet?? If not, then please stop. Theres probably at least 15 better zergs than him in the world anyways, but okay. List them. off the top of my head there are 10 foreign zergs that he has yet to prove he can compete with in a major tourney, well see how he does at mlg vs players like mOoNgLaDeZ coL. caTz EG. Machine Liquid`Haypro Liquid`Shesh EG. Idra Protech coL. Slush Liquid Ret Destiny
Sheth, Idra and Ret can hang with Stephano, the others are below him.
Along with Nerchio, Dimaga and Sen, these 7 probably make up the best non-Korean Zergs in the world, in my opinion.
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On September 19 2011 17:03 marxgarza wrote:
Can't wait to see how he'll preform at mlg
this.
really excited to see him in more events, nice =)
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Really sad news for Milenium, no doubt. But that will be awesome for the player as he should be able to attend more big events. He better perfom !
Oh and putting people like Catz (no offense it's a great guy and a fine player) at the same rank as Stephano is pretty much a joke.
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On September 19 2011 16:50 Larsin wrote:
Kinda expected he was gonna get picked up by a big team soon. He is the best zerg outside korea atm. Better then sheth/idra/nerchio/ret imo.
He just has to start speaking english soon.
He speaks a pretty good english.
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After Tod to Fnatic, it's a bad time for Millenium, their best two players left within a week...
But I hope it's above all good news for Stefano. I am quite disappointed by the team tbh, I would have prefered EG or Liquid I guess, but coL is still ok.
GL Stefano, you'd better own everyone at next MLG coz I'll be watching you ! ^^
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In this interview at Assembly 2011 Grubby asks Stephano if he has plans to became a professional gamer. Stephano replies that he has one month to decide whether he will play or focus on studies. I guess he has decided.
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Wow that's some great news
Stephano at MLG will be so good!
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Awesome for both parties. Hopefully we get to see stephano in more high profile events now. Cause he is a beast.
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YESYESYESYES so good for stephano
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If memory serves me well, a french caster said a few days ago that there will soon be some big news for Stephano. So, kind of expected for french community 
Whatever, nice pick up. Hope he will become bigger and bigger. This guy has such potential.
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Very nice pickup for Complexity indeed! Congratulations!
But, am I the only one who finds it a bit strange to not here any outbursts like "OMG, Complexity stealing a player from another team! Outrageous!" ?
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Great deal for Complexity and Stephano, its a shame for Millennium though, Stephano may well be the second player that goes on to achieve huge things with the team they join after leaving.
Stephano's improvement over his summer holidays has been amazing, and now he's taking a year off he should only get better, especially with the support that I assume Col will be giving him.
Also anyone that saw the end of Sheth's 24 hour charity marathon will know that Stephano is also a really nice guy.
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On September 19 2011 16:50 Larsin wrote:
Kinda expected he was gonna get picked up by a big team soon. He is the best zerg outside korea atm. Better then sheth/idra/nerchio/ret imo.
He just has to start speaking english soon.
His English is really good. I mean he has a French accent, but he can't exactly change that.
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On September 19 2011 18:43 Eufouria wrote:
Also anyone that saw the end of Sheth's 24 hour charity marathon will know that Stephano is also a really nice guy.
Can you give us a brief summary of what you are talking about ?
I think it's a very good pick up for coL, I don't understand people saying coL isn't good enough, for me the most important thing about a team is that it has solid foundations, and coL definitely got that, I hear about this team since a shit load of years.
Regarding millenium, I think the issue comes from them, there is something wrong with the team, players (sc2 or other millenium's team) absolutely don't give a fuck about the team, they all look at millenium like an entity that give them money that's it.
The management of millenium really needs to question itself.
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This is so crazy. Stephano is preparing to wreck faces in the coming months. Incredible pickup for coL
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Guess what, I just raised my post count by 1 just by coming here and writing something like "crazy!" or "holy shit".
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On September 19 2011 18:51 FaRess wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 18:43 Eufouria wrote:
Also anyone that saw the end of Sheth's 24 hour charity marathon will know that Stephano is also a really nice guy.
Can you give us a brief summary of what you are talking about ? I think it's a very good pick up for coL, I don't understand people saying coL isn't good enough, for me the most important thing about a team is that it has solid foundations, and coL definitely got that, I hear about this team since a shit load of years. Regarding millenium, I think the issue comes from them, there is something wrong with the team, players (sc2 or other millenium's team) absolutely don't give a fuck about the team, they all look at millenium like an entity that give them money that's it. The management of millenium really needs to question itself.
It's more that coL has a lot of money and can send him whenever he wants, not solid foundations or anything else. If Millenium had as much money as they have he would probably still be Millenium
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On September 19 2011 18:51 FaRess wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 18:43 Eufouria wrote:
Also anyone that saw the end of Sheth's 24 hour charity marathon will know that Stephano is also a really nice guy.
Can you give us a brief summary of what you are talking about ? I think it's a very good pick up for coL, I don't understand people saying coL isn't good enough, for me the most important thing about a team is that it has solid foundations, and coL definitely got that, I hear about this team since a shit load of years. Regarding millenium, I think the issue comes from them, there is something wrong with the team, players (sc2 or other millenium's team) absolutely don't give a fuck about the team, they all look at millenium like an entity that give them money that's it. The management of millenium really needs to question itself.
Basically Sheth got really tired towards the end (he said he'd had like one coffee in the whole 24 hours!) so Stephano joined him on Skype and started playing games vs EU pros while Sheth observed and commentated. I don't think they'd even spoken before that either.
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Very nice pickup. I didn't really care about coL results but now they sign my favourite player.
Can't wait to see what Stephano can get from DRG
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Huge pickup by coL and big plus for fans to see more of Stephano! Can't wait for MLG, IPL and many more to come.
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Congrats stephano
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Love you Stephano and best of luck to you! Im so rooting for you at MLG and IPL. You can do it!
So this is the first member of col. that I actually like xD Good buy guys.
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Very good move by both partys!
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Great addition for complexity. I think this will pump their team and the NA scene quite a lot!
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So much hype had to get him a good team, grats Stephano
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On September 19 2011 14:39 Lunas wrote:
First major foreign tourney ??? He got 3rd at assemply summer beating Sen and lost in a close match 3-2 to dimaga. He beat huk at HSC cup he won senheiser cup and many more lans. allmsot kncoked Puma out in IEM. beat Sase 2-0.
I think you mistaken stephano with some1 els
Even Thorzain consider Stephano the best foreign zerg atm!
He is fucking strong.
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As Stephano usually says "congratz"
I hope they send him to korea  DRG + Stephano = Dead terrans :D
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Stephano is an excellent player, this news...pleases me.
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this...is big. Congrats Stephano
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Bad move. Complexity sucks balls. He should have joined dignitas or fnatic or something-
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Sick pickup by CoL.
Really mega-bummer for Millennium.
This surprises me given all the recent talk coming out of the Millennium camp.
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On September 19 2011 18:04 Kerm wrote:
Really sad news for Milenium, no doubt. But that will be awesome for the player as he should be able to attend more big events. He better perfom !
Oh and putting people like Catz (no offense it's a great guy and a fine player) at the same rank as Stephano is pretty much a joke.
No offense to Catz, but Stephano would murder him.
Seriously Stephano has to be CoL's best team member now.
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On September 19 2011 19:51 Silentness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 18:04 Kerm wrote:
Really sad news for Milenium, no doubt. But that will be awesome for the player as he should be able to attend more big events. He better perfom !
Oh and putting people like Catz (no offense it's a great guy and a fine player) at the same rank as Stephano is pretty much a joke. No offense to Catz, but Stephano would murder him. Seriously Stephano has to be CoL's best team member now.
At least the second best, right after Dong.
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This is amazing news! :O this will be very advantageous for stephano. He will be able to improve at top level and he will be able to attend most of the international events due to this. A bit sad for team Millenium though, they lost such a good player and probably one of the best non-korean zerg player. GL to Stephano with his new team. Hope to see him at a tourny very soon :D
Stephano > Sheth > IdrA ....
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On September 19 2011 19:51 Silentness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 18:04 Kerm wrote:
Really sad news for Milenium, no doubt. But that will be awesome for the player as he should be able to attend more big events. He better perfom !
Oh and putting people like Catz (no offense it's a great guy and a fine player) at the same rank as Stephano is pretty much a joke. No offense to Catz, but Stephano would murder him. Seriously Stephano has to be CoL's best team member now.
Catz and Stephano practice together sometimes. Stephano wins the majority, but its not as one sided as you seem to think.
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On September 19 2011 19:59 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 19:51 Silentness wrote:On September 19 2011 18:04 Kerm wrote:
Really sad news for Milenium, no doubt. But that will be awesome for the player as he should be able to attend more big events. He better perfom !
Oh and putting people like Catz (no offense it's a great guy and a fine player) at the same rank as Stephano is pretty much a joke. No offense to Catz, but Stephano would murder him. Seriously Stephano has to be CoL's best team member now. Catz and Stephano practice together sometimes. Stephano wins the majority, but its not as one sided as you seem to think.
We do practice a bit, Stephano is a fantastic player and in my opinion the best Zerg outside of korea, followed by Nerchio and Sen I don't claim to be at his level, and I do think he is our best non-korean player at the moment, heck, I think he probably is THE best non-korean player atm, and now that he's taking a year off of school... he's just gonna become invincible. i'll work as hard as I can to keep up with him, it will be incredibly hard.
Welcome home Ilyes ! <3
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On September 19 2011 19:59 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 19:51 Silentness wrote:On September 19 2011 18:04 Kerm wrote:
Really sad news for Milenium, no doubt. But that will be awesome for the player as he should be able to attend more big events. He better perfom !
Oh and putting people like Catz (no offense it's a great guy and a fine player) at the same rank as Stephano is pretty much a joke. No offense to Catz, but Stephano would murder him. Seriously Stephano has to be CoL's best team member now. Catz and Stephano practice together sometimes. Stephano wins the majority, but its not as one sided as you seem to think.
Stephano's worst MU is ZvZ ( I don't defend him , ZvZ is his worst MU , this is a fact )
I hope he won't get the "Catz Syndrome"
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gl hf steph
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very nice news.
France and benelux states taking over korea soon? (ToD, Grubby, Stephano)
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On September 19 2011 19:55 affliction wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 19:51 Silentness wrote:On September 19 2011 18:04 Kerm wrote:
Really sad news for Milenium, no doubt. But that will be awesome for the player as he should be able to attend more big events. He better perfom !
Oh and putting people like Catz (no offense it's a great guy and a fine player) at the same rank as Stephano is pretty much a joke. No offense to Catz, but Stephano would murder him. Seriously Stephano has to be CoL's best team member now. At least the second best, right after Dong.
That's more of a partnership. Stephano is an actual roster player for coL, whereas DRG is in MVP.
And thus, Stephano is coL's strongest player in their roster.
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Congratz to both, gl Stephano.
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On September 19 2011 19:02 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 18:51 FaRess wrote:On September 19 2011 18:43 Eufouria wrote:
Also anyone that saw the end of Sheth's 24 hour charity marathon will know that Stephano is also a really nice guy.
Can you give us a brief summary of what you are talking about ? I think it's a very good pick up for coL, I don't understand people saying coL isn't good enough, for me the most important thing about a team is that it has solid foundations, and coL definitely got that, I hear about this team since a shit load of years. Regarding millenium, I think the issue comes from them, there is something wrong with the team, players (sc2 or other millenium's team) absolutely don't give a fuck about the team, they all look at millenium like an entity that give them money that's it. The management of millenium really needs to question itself. Basically Sheth got really tired towards the end (he said he'd had like one coffee in the whole 24 hours!) so Stephano joined him on Skype and started playing games vs EU pros while Sheth observed and commentated. I don't think they'd even spoken before that either.
They spoke a little when they have done a bo5 (3-4 hour after the beginning of the marathon)
(Stephano 3 - 0 Sheth)
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Oh I'd loved it if he had joined a team that i hold dear. Well i hope that this team can at least give him the support he deserves, because he's talented like hell.
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On September 19 2011 20:15 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 19:02 Eufouria wrote:On September 19 2011 18:51 FaRess wrote:On September 19 2011 18:43 Eufouria wrote:
Also anyone that saw the end of Sheth's 24 hour charity marathon will know that Stephano is also a really nice guy.
Can you give us a brief summary of what you are talking about ? I think it's a very good pick up for coL, I don't understand people saying coL isn't good enough, for me the most important thing about a team is that it has solid foundations, and coL definitely got that, I hear about this team since a shit load of years. Regarding millenium, I think the issue comes from them, there is something wrong with the team, players (sc2 or other millenium's team) absolutely don't give a fuck about the team, they all look at millenium like an entity that give them money that's it. The management of millenium really needs to question itself. Basically Sheth got really tired towards the end (he said he'd had like one coffee in the whole 24 hours!) so Stephano joined him on Skype and started playing games vs EU pros while Sheth observed and commentated. I don't think they'd even spoken before that either. They spoke a little when they have done a bo5 (3-4 hour after the beginning of the marathon) (Stephano 3 - 0 Sheth)
They did both actually, he came in a the start, and back at the end when sheth was becoming very tired. Stephano is going to med school later, so as he said Sheth doing something for Doctor Without Borders made him happy to help.
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On September 19 2011 14:45 socommaster123 wrote:
Xeris judging BM is slightly ironic.... Grats coL nice pick up
It might be ironic but it's a really huge slap in the face from coL to millennium
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On September 19 2011 19:51 Silentness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 18:04 Kerm wrote:
Really sad news for Milenium, no doubt. But that will be awesome for the player as he should be able to attend more big events. He better perfom !
Oh and putting people like Catz (no offense it's a great guy and a fine player) at the same rank as Stephano is pretty much a joke. No offense to Catz, but Stephano would murder him. Seriously Stephano has to be CoL's best team member now.
Unless you count the MVP guys, in which case SC, DongRaeGu, Noblesse and Kean are better.
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Nice pick up!
And congratulation to Stephano!
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so i am guessing he plays zerg based off the picture?
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SIIIICK pickup
wanna see some catz+stephano streams :D:D:D
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Nice!
Gl. Korea incoming. :D
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This benefits coL more than Stephano, obviously coL is a great team and they're gonna support Stephano well, but I think Stephano could've joined pretty much any team he wanted. He's simply that good. So congratulations mostly to coL, but to Stephano aswell of course . Fighting~
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oh good, now col has 2 good players
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Awesome for him, he's such a nice guy :D
And MMA said he's in the top3 foreigner zergs.
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i wasnt aware that millienium had let him go?
either way huge pick up for complexity, picking up a european star can only be good for them
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On September 19 2011 21:22 turdburgler wrote:
i wasnt aware that millienium had let him go?
either way huge pick up for complexity, picking up a european star can only be good for them
I think Millenium wasn't aware aswell
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both tod and stephano :ooo, GL TO STEPHANO and Congrats coL
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What a shitty statement by stephano (as expected), please make some effort instead of just some standard copypasta "feelgoodman.jpg".
congrats to coL
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On September 19 2011 21:32 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 21:22 turdburgler wrote:
i wasnt aware that millienium had let him go?
either way huge pick up for complexity, picking up a european star can only be good for them I think Millenium wasn't aware aswell
That's not true, Millenium probably knew he was leaving soon. They just didn't expect it to be overnight.
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On September 19 2011 21:46 Svenz00r wrote:
What a shitty statement by stephano (as expected), please make some effort instead of just some standard copypasta "feelgoodman.jpg".
congrats to coL
What did you expect him to say? half of the team is in Korea (CoL.MVP) and the rest are all around NA. When you get a new job you say some nice things, say your happy to be there and you get to work.
Good luck to both Stephano and CoL.
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Gj. Stephano needs more exposure for sure. Looking forward to see him perform well on big stages!
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wow, well this will increase Complexitys capabilities by a LOOOOT. Stephano is a great Z!
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He's not a great Z... he's THE Z outside korea
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Wow Stephano = one of the best foreign Zergs what a great pickup by col
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Love Stephano! Young guy, full of promise and very entertaining Zerg.... Rock on dude.
Bonne chance et n'arrête pas de nous en faire voir de toutes les couleurs avec ton jeu splendide!
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extremly good player. glad he got picked up by a top org.. TROP BON!
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Wow this pick up reminds me a lot of when mouz picked up Thorzain. I rank Stephano as the 4th best zerg in the world right now. Have been following closely ever since I saw him at Homestory 3 where we saw some flashes of his true brilliance and considering that he was only playing sc2 for fun at that time it was amazing.
I'll call this right now, this is our first foreigner to win GSL, check it next year.
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Huge pickup. Hope to see more of him. I feel like i don't get enough Stephano in my SC2 diet.
GL all.
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Lol, this seems to always happen mid-season in the EGMCSL-tournament, last time they acquired ROOT and got in to the tournament, going from not winning a single match to getting second. With Stephano, they'll prolly win a lot more games. :D
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Nice addition to compLexity, good luck to both.
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nice pickup!
I hope the best for stephano.
I really like to watch him playing
Also Slush is french canadian?
Would be ccol if Stephano could get Catz to the top he was once. Catz really working hard and is such a nice guy.
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Stephano soon to be best foreign zerg, gogo ~~
Hwaiting!!
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Good luck Stefano, one of the few non-korean with a very good level as for Huk, Select and Nerchio.
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Did not see this coming, very exciting news, Stephano is one of the best zergs in the world
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That previous news about Stephano going SC2 pro and the Millenium team house really made me think they were doing it together.
Glad to see Stephano in a team that will send him overseas though.
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On September 19 2011 21:46 Svenz00r wrote:
What a shitty statement by stephano (as expected), please make some effort instead of just some standard copypasta "feelgoodman.jpg".
congrats to coL
What did you expect?
"As of today I am joining Complexity, they're all a huge bunch of fags that are gonna be carried by me?"
If you want that kind of shit, look out for whoever picks up Major next.
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coL?
mhmh
he's more a mouz caliber :/
Thorzain (T)
Mana (P)
STEPH (Z)
would have been an awesome lineup
but nevertheless. GL with new team, ofc!
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It's a great move for Stephano and complexity but is it good for the European scene?
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It's great for him ! Ever since i saw him at Homestory cup he has been my favorite zerg !
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Bien joué Stephano. Gratz :D
I sincerly hope that Millenium can find new up and coming players to add to their roster.
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Stephano going to MLG! He might be the best chance the foreign community has to winning it with the absence of Team Dignitas. Good luck in the Open Bracket, will be rooting for you.
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Stephano has so much potential. Awesome pickup considering he is taking a year to dedicate to Starcraft :D ♥
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On September 19 2011 22:13 Krogan wrote:
Wow this pick up reminds me a lot of when mouz picked up Thorzain. I rank Stephano as the 4th best zerg in the world right now. Have been following closely ever since I saw him at Homestory 3 where we saw some flashes of his true brilliance and considering that he was only playing sc2 for fun at that time it was amazing.
I'll call this right now, this is our first foreigner to win GSL, check it next year.
you can call anything you want, but never will a non korean win gsl, "calling it now"
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Spoil the IPL qualifier more please...
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Nice, I hope to see him in even more events for now on. Easily one of my favorite players.
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On September 20 2011 00:05 Dikkbutt wrote:
Spoil the IPL qualifier more please...
Choose to not catch up on anything that was finished 2 weeks ago more please.
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Go Stephano! Now need to go in korea for few months :p!
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Stephano is already crazy good. Imagine if he moves to Korea for a few months what a beast he will become.
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Hopefully he can put in some good practice :-D and do well at some of the tournies, he would be a beast with some good training!
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On September 19 2011 22:13 Krogan wrote:
Wow this pick up reminds me a lot of when mouz picked up Thorzain. I rank Stephano as the 4th best zerg in the world right now. Have been following closely ever since I saw him at Homestory 3 where we saw some flashes of his true brilliance and considering that he was only playing sc2 for fun at that time it was amazing.
I'll call this right now, this is our first foreigner to win GSL, check it next year.
In what universe is Stephano the 4th best Zerg in the world? The guy has zero significant LAN wins. His only LAN result of note is third at Assembly. No doubt Stephano is a good player but he's nothing but potential right now and hasn't really put major results on the board.
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Sick stuff. It was the best thing to do even if im pretty sad for millenium that brought him all the way up here.
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On September 20 2011 00:31 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 22:13 Krogan wrote:
Wow this pick up reminds me a lot of when mouz picked up Thorzain. I rank Stephano as the 4th best zerg in the world right now. Have been following closely ever since I saw him at Homestory 3 where we saw some flashes of his true brilliance and considering that he was only playing sc2 for fun at that time it was amazing.
I'll call this right now, this is our first foreigner to win GSL, check it next year. In what universe is Stephano the 4th best Zerg in the world? The guy has zero significant LAN wins. His only LAN result of note is third at Assembly. No doubt Stephano is a good player but he's nothing but potential right now and hasn't really put major results on the board.
Just because he doesn't have any big accomplishments at any huge lans doesn't mean that he's not Insanely good.
Watching Stephanos games, and his vods, you can easily say he has some of the best ZvT in the foreign scene. He has Incredible amounts of skill, potential, and dedication, I'm sure he will tear up Orlando.
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On September 20 2011 00:39 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 00:31 Blasphemi wrote:On September 19 2011 22:13 Krogan wrote:
Wow this pick up reminds me a lot of when mouz picked up Thorzain. I rank Stephano as the 4th best zerg in the world right now. Have been following closely ever since I saw him at Homestory 3 where we saw some flashes of his true brilliance and considering that he was only playing sc2 for fun at that time it was amazing.
I'll call this right now, this is our first foreigner to win GSL, check it next year. In what universe is Stephano the 4th best Zerg in the world? The guy has zero significant LAN wins. His only LAN result of note is third at Assembly. No doubt Stephano is a good player but he's nothing but potential right now and hasn't really put major results on the board. Just because he doesn't have any big accomplishments at any huge lans doesn't mean that he's not Insanely good. Watching Stephanos games, and his vods, you can easily say he has some of the best ZvT in the foreign scene. He has Incredible amounts of skill, potential, and dedication, I'm sure he will tear up Orlando.
Stephano is really good I agree but top four Zerg in the world is going way too far for a guy with no LAN wins and who's never played in Korea.
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I certainly did not expect that, but it is awesome nonetheless. GO coL your roster grows better every day. I hope you send stephano to korea and all the mlgs so he can start to dominate really hard.
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Don't put too much pressure on the guy. he is still young, didn't play so many LAN, so he might need several events to get used to it and play at his best...
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On September 20 2011 00:31 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 22:13 Krogan wrote:
Wow this pick up reminds me a lot of when mouz picked up Thorzain. I rank Stephano as the 4th best zerg in the world right now. Have been following closely ever since I saw him at Homestory 3 where we saw some flashes of his true brilliance and considering that he was only playing sc2 for fun at that time it was amazing.
I'll call this right now, this is our first foreigner to win GSL, check it next year. In what universe is Stephano the 4th best Zerg in the world? The guy has zero significant LAN wins. His only LAN result of note is third at Assembly. No doubt Stephano is a good player but he's nothing but potential right now and hasn't really put major results on the board.
Dude when MMA played him in the IPL qualifiers he said he was top3 best zerg player
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finally hes on a team that can send him places
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On September 20 2011 01:16 neurosx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 00:31 Blasphemi wrote:On September 19 2011 22:13 Krogan wrote:
Wow this pick up reminds me a lot of when mouz picked up Thorzain. I rank Stephano as the 4th best zerg in the world right now. Have been following closely ever since I saw him at Homestory 3 where we saw some flashes of his true brilliance and considering that he was only playing sc2 for fun at that time it was amazing.
I'll call this right now, this is our first foreigner to win GSL, check it next year. In what universe is Stephano the 4th best Zerg in the world? The guy has zero significant LAN wins. His only LAN result of note is third at Assembly. No doubt Stephano is a good player but he's nothing but potential right now and hasn't really put major results on the board. Dude when MMA played him in the IPL qualifiers he said he was top3 best zerg player
He said top three foreign Zerg. But regardless, what players say doesn't mean much without results to back it up.
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On September 20 2011 01:06 Macpo wrote:
Don't put too much pressure on the guy. he is still young, didn't play so many LAN, so he might need several events to get used to it and play at his best...
yeah totally agree calm down lol he is very good but let him proves himself he is one of the top foreigner
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Hello everybody,
Stephano and Llewellys (SC2 Manager) will speak about this story Live on Millenium TV at 19h30 CEST
Millenium TV
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On September 20 2011 01:16 neurosx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 00:31 Blasphemi wrote:On September 19 2011 22:13 Krogan wrote:
Wow this pick up reminds me a lot of when mouz picked up Thorzain. I rank Stephano as the 4th best zerg in the world right now. Have been following closely ever since I saw him at Homestory 3 where we saw some flashes of his true brilliance and considering that he was only playing sc2 for fun at that time it was amazing.
I'll call this right now, this is our first foreigner to win GSL, check it next year. In what universe is Stephano the 4th best Zerg in the world? The guy has zero significant LAN wins. His only LAN result of note is third at Assembly. No doubt Stephano is a good player but he's nothing but potential right now and hasn't really put major results on the board. Dude when MMA played him in the IPL qualifiers he said he was top3 best zerg player
Relax. He's one of "those" people who only follow stats and don't actually watch. Probably the same people who count out people like DRG or Bomber and think HongUn and Trickster are awesome for clinging to their spots for so long.
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On September 20 2011 01:35 Millenium wrote:Hello everybody, Stephano and Llewellys (SC2 Manager) will speak about this story Live on Millenium TV at 19h30 CEST Millenium TV
is there a twitter for Millenium I can follow, So I won't miss this.
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I have only watched 1 match of him playing, BO3 against MMA in IGN Proleague.
I have to say his play made me feel almost the same way I felt when I watched Jaedong for the first time when he wasn't that famous.
He has the power to turn a SC veteran and an old lurker to a poster, and is clearly the best potential I have seen in SC2 in the non-korean scene if not in the whole world. (I am not talking about just Zergs)
Mark my words: if he has the necessary mental fortitude, he will become a legend.
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Stephano was already scary, this is a fantastic pick up, hopefully we can see him at more LAN's in the future!
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Bout time this kid got a hit.
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On September 20 2011 01:39 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 01:35 Millenium wrote:Hello everybody, Stephano and Llewellys (SC2 Manager) will speak about this story Live on Millenium TV at 19h30 CEST Millenium TV is there a twitter for Millenium I can follow, So I won't miss this.
It's in 30 minutes. Can't imagine you'd forget that quick.
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Unfortunetly, it will be in French, but you will learn a lot of interesting things
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so awesome, stephano is really good
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Hopefully someone can summarize the interview for us non-french speakers afterwards
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On September 20 2011 02:09 Millenium wrote:
Unfortunetly, it will be in French, but you will learn a lot of interesting things
Any chance you can do some of it in english? we really would love to hear what Millinium and Stephano got to say
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I'm pretty sure some nice ppl will do it. Otherwise i'll do it, if i'm still there in 10min.
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On September 20 2011 02:17 Lunas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:09 Millenium wrote:
Unfortunetly, it will be in French, but you will learn a lot of interesting things Any chance you can do some of it in english? we really would love to hear what Millinium and Stephano got to say
Honestly you won't hear the true feeling of the manager and both of them will be very happy and wish everyone luck. Some people are mannered.
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Grats on coL wish it was dignitas or mouz that got Stephano though. Least it wasn't EG haha.
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We will make a post after the live but you will learn a lot of new things.... !
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On September 20 2011 02:19 SChlafmann wrote:
I'm pretty sure some nice ppl will do it. Otherwise i'll do it, if i'm still there in 10min.
Are you going to come back and make a post about it? That way I won't have to worry about watching anything. It would be great if you could do that. I can't imagine many people want to sit there and listen to that if you can just make an english summary afterwards.
Edit: Ah, too slow. Thanks for the help.
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I am such a fan of stephano, and I think of complexity in general. They have a terrible tag, but the team does things the right way.
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On September 20 2011 02:22 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:19 SChlafmann wrote:
I'm pretty sure some nice ppl will do it. Otherwise i'll do it, if i'm still there in 10min. Are you going to come back and make a post about it? That way I won't have to worry about watching anything. It would be great if you could do that. I can't imagine many people want to sit there and listen to that if you can just make an english summary afterwards.
Or you could come and listen and that way give some cents to [M]. Small step to supporting eSports !
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On September 20 2011 02:09 Millenium wrote:
Unfortunetly, it will be in French, but you will learn a lot of interesting things
Just wonder how we'll be able to learn things if we dont understand french Subtitles? Or some translations?
Think Stephano is a fucking amazing player, expecting great things from him.
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Not unexpected, that kid is a monster without borders for growing. Gz nice pickup hope all goes well !
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On September 20 2011 02:23 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:22 SimDawg wrote:On September 20 2011 02:19 SChlafmann wrote:
I'm pretty sure some nice ppl will do it. Otherwise i'll do it, if i'm still there in 10min. Are you going to come back and make a post about it? That way I won't have to worry about watching anything. It would be great if you could do that. I can't imagine many people want to sit there and listen to that if you can just make an english summary afterwards. Or you could come and listen and that way give some cents to [M]. Small step to supporting eSports !
If they cared about supporting English speaking viewers I'd care about supporting Millenium.
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On September 20 2011 02:23 Mithriel wrote:Just wonder how we'll be able to learn things if we dont understand french Subtitles? Or some translations? Think Stephano is a fucking amazing player, expecting great things from him.
Do you want a LR or what ? ^^
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On September 20 2011 02:31 SimDawg wrote:
If they cared about supporting English speaking viewers I'd care about supporting Millenium.
/facepalm
So we don't have english as our first language and we should all go to die. Great news.
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Stephano stays in Millenium.
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Stephano stays with Millenium Oo
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On September 20 2011 01:43 Scrutinizer wrote:
I have only watched 1 match of him playing, BO3 against MMA in IGN Proleague.
I have to say his play made me feel almost the same way I felt when I watched Jaedong for the first time when he wasn't that famous.
He has the power to turn a SC veteran and an old lurker to a poster, and is clearly the best potential I have seen in SC2 in the non-korean scene if not in the whole world. (I am not talking about just Zergs)
Mark my words: if he has the necessary mental fortitude, he will become a legend.
Oh god...
now he is already compared to arguably the best Zerg in the history of SC?
Honestly, I know that the hype machine of TL (the posters, not the site itself) can get out of hand from time to time, but this is getting ridiculous.
Nobody doubts, that this young guy has tons of talent and potential. He is without a doubt a Top 5 Zerg in EU atm, but everything going farther than this (best foreign Zerg, best foreigner in general) is just unjustified.
Claiming, that someone is really good at this game can be done by observing his games. Claiming, that someone is the best in a certain group (EU, non korean, general) however needs accomplishments to back it up, be it major championships or consistent high placings over a long period of time. Thats how it is in individual sports (team sport can be different).
I can easily name ten foreigners, who are more accomplished than Stephano. Maybe it is because he didn´t have the chance to collect the accomplishments the others have, but that is pure speculation.
I hope, that with this deal with col. he will get the chances to prove himself. Maybe he will justify the hype, maybe he won´t. Lets see how it turns out.
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Stephano stays in Millenium.
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Stephano just announce he stay with Millenium.
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Lol.
Breaking News.
Stephano stays at Millenium.
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Lwl announced that Stephano stays with Millenium.
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It seems he will still go to mlg and korea
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STEPHANO STAYS WITH MILLENIUM ! YAY !
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Llewellys ( the manager of the millenium team ) and stephano are saying on millenium Tv that stephano stay in millenium :o
I'm happy and sad at the same time.
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he just got a better contract offer from Mill and decided to stay XD
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He will go to Korea and MLG too anyway
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I'm not surprised. I heard that he had a lot of offers and told a lot of teams he'll join or something like that and then ignored.
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tomorrow : EG adds Stephano (until tonight where [millenium] says he stays)
Stay tuned
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wtf is going on here lol?
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LOL What a epic "coup de theathre" ?!!!
What a crazy "Quenelle épaulée"
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Haha, burning them bridges! Well, best of luck to team and player!
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Stephano is still Millenium.
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Stephano is great guyz , but he just lives in his world :p
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he's still millenium guys :D
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Oh my god did that just seriously happen?
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On September 20 2011 02:38 PtitDrogo wrote:
Llewellys ( the manager of the millenium team ) and stephano are saying on millenium Tv that stephano stay in millenium :o
I'm happy and sad at the same time.
Excellent. Seems Steph has some sense after all!
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On September 20 2011 02:36 Nitro68 wrote:
Stephano stays with Millenium Oo
That's the first news.
Otherwise : IPL, Dreamhack Winter, MLG Orlando. Contract is signed. Complexity propose him the best salary ever propose to a french progamer. Which Stephano accepted overnight, during the day the team was talking to him and they reached an agreement satisfactory for both parties.
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Best esport Drama serie ever
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On September 20 2011 02:41 Sandro wrote:
Oh my god did that just seriously happen?
Yeah ! I think CoL made the annoucement a bit soon
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Stephano simpy knows how do to good business. Getting the most out of it.
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so stephano is taking his talent.... nowhere this time! Lebron James he is not.
but really, major esports drama incoming, I guess Stephano just reneged on a strong verbal agreement to complexity on a live stream...
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So Millennium is willing to send him out to more events right? The French scene seems too closed off to the rest of the world.
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haha, the drama when great players change team. Complexity sign him overnight Millinimum counteroffer and say Stephano stays
Next expect a shitstorm. Shit is crazy lol
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On September 20 2011 02:43 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:41 Sandro wrote:
Oh my god did that just seriously happen? Yeah ! I think CoL made the annoucement a bit soon
We have a fully executed (signed) contract, so there was no early announcement.
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What the fuck is happening ?
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coL din not make the announcement too soon. We have a signed contract from him. So legally he can not change his mind. We will wait to talk to him and see what is going on.
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On September 20 2011 02:47 coljbass wrote:
coL din not make the announcement too soon. We have a signed contract from him. So legally he can not change his mind. We will wait to talk to him and see what is going on.
I think Stephano is under alot of preassure atm and he just got 18 years old. plz talk with him and milllinium.
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People who are barely of legal age dealing with grown up-things is happening hehe...
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On September 20 2011 02:45 Sandro wrote:The French scene seems too closed off to the rest of the world.
The problem is that the french e-sport scene is too little and don't have enough $$ to interest foreigners and send the french players to international.
But here we are very aware on the international scene, and we dream to participate more. It's just a meaning of means...
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On September 20 2011 02:48 Lunas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:47 coljbass wrote:
coL din not make the announcement too soon. We have a signed contract from him. So legally he can not change his mind. We will wait to talk to him and see what is going on. I think Stephano is under alot of preassure atm and he just got 18 years old. plz talk with him and milllinium.
Either my math is completely off, or Liquidpedia is wrong, but it says his birthday is 1994-03-12 thus still <18.
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I didn't know it was silly season already
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its really a shame i was looking forward to one of the hyped players try there luck vs the tried and true .. if the euro sc2 community starts pooling there money together now maybe they can send him out to the next MLG . it could happen !
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ruh roh ESPORTS tm(c) drama.
better call SOTG to sort this shit out
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The fuck is gonna happen now? T_T
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Well if Complexsity got a signed contract with stephano he is legally binded to Complexity no matter what Millinium is trying todo.
I sence we got a team war going on atm
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If Stephano indeed broke the contract that he signed himself with Complexity that's very unprofessionnal and that's gonna hurt his career.
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I want to hear Incontrol, Alex Garfield, and djWheat talking about this for 3 hours straight.
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so legaly whats going on ? hes under 2 contracts ? which between french american or internationnal law is applied in that cas ?
so much trouble right now
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On September 20 2011 02:46 jlake02 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:43 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 02:41 Sandro wrote:
Oh my god did that just seriously happen? Yeah ! I think CoL made the annoucement a bit soon We have a fully executed (signed) contract, so there was no early announcement.
I don't know under witch jurisdiction the contract is.
But under the french, there is a probation where anypart can break it without any explanation.
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Cedric "Cedrix" Page, President of Millennium
Since the beginning of Millennium, we have dreamed of a French esport structure discovering young players with great potential, who would support them in their passion and escort them to the tops ...
Stephano joined Millennium in early stage of Starcraft II, virtually unknown. We have supported him at our best so far. He is now considered as great hope of the world circuit, with enormous potential, and letting him go to another team would have been, for us, a real failure, a nonsense.
The means by which Complexity recruited Stephano was disorienting enough to influence our young player to a bad decision. After discussion, Stephano realized his mistake and decided to stay permanently in the next 12 months, at Millennium.
The day was still rich of teachings.
Following this morning's announcement of the departure of our player to an American a structure, the majority of the French community has regarded this transfer as a logical progress. I have even seen our amateur editors write with resignation that Millennium couldn't compete.
So let's stop devaluing ourselves, let's stop thinking that French should leave the country to succeed. Millenium.org has more page views than sk-gaming.com websitesite or any European or American team out of Team Liquid. Our budget is certainly one of the world's largest structures among the e-sports.
We have to stop seeing ourselves less good than we are because we claim to be a french team.
Stephano as agreed to sign an employment contract 'CDI' (contract with an undetermined term), as "Professional Player", identical to a professional sportsman. He will tour the world to win many tournaments, from Asia to the United States. We place our hopes in him, our dreams of victories made in France, but we also expect many of our other players and the upcoming Starcraft composition League of Legends ...
They make us dream and vibrate! Let Millenium shines for all esports fans that you are and that we are!
Souce
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Best M can do is buyout Stephano's coL contract to get him back
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On September 20 2011 02:54 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:46 jlake02 wrote:On September 20 2011 02:43 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 02:41 Sandro wrote:
Oh my god did that just seriously happen? Yeah ! I think CoL made the annoucement a bit soon We have a fully executed (signed) contract, so there was no early announcement. I don't know under witch jurisdiction the contract is. But under the french, there is a probation where anypart can break it without any explanation.
This can't be right. What the hell is the point of a contract then? Any business would never sign contracts like this without some repercussions for breach.
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On September 20 2011 02:54 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:46 jlake02 wrote:On September 20 2011 02:43 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 02:41 Sandro wrote:
Oh my god did that just seriously happen? Yeah ! I think CoL made the annoucement a bit soon We have a fully executed (signed) contract, so there was no early announcement. I don't know under witch jurisdiction the contract is. But under the french, there is a probation where anypart can break it without any explanation.
Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done?
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lmao Millinium pulling out the french laws
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On September 20 2011 02:54 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:46 jlake02 wrote:On September 20 2011 02:43 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 02:41 Sandro wrote:
Oh my god did that just seriously happen? Yeah ! I think CoL made the annoucement a bit soon We have a fully executed (signed) contract, so there was no early announcement. I don't know under witch jurisdiction the contract is. But under the french, there is a probation where anypart can break it without any explanation.
Haha xD
You French!
This is great
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Popping popcorn, replacement F5 key on order.
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On September 20 2011 02:56 Emporio wrote:
Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done?
Don't turn this into an American vs France war, it's gonna end badly.
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On September 20 2011 02:55 Arcanne wrote:
Best M can do is buyout Stephano's coL contract to get him back
If what Jason Lake says is correct then yes, Millenium would have to buy out the rest of Stephano's coL contract.
ESPORTS DRAMA!
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On September 20 2011 02:55 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +Cedric "Cedrix" Page, President of Millennium
Since the beginning of Millennium, we have dreamed of a French esport structure discovering young players with great potential, who would support them in their passion and escort them to the tops ...
Stephano joined Millennium in early stage of Starcraft II, virtually unknown. We have supported him at our best so far. He is now considered as great hope of the world circuit, with enormous potential, and letting him go to another team would have been, for us, a real failure, a nonsense.
The means by which Complexity recruited Stephano was disorienting enough to influence our young player to a bad decision. After discussion, Stephano realized his mistake and decided to stay permanently in the next 12 months, at Millennium.
The day was still rich of teachings.
Following this morning's announcement of the departure of our player to an American a structure, the majority of the French community has regarded this transfer as a logical progress. I have even seen our amateur editors write with resignation that Millennium couldn't compete.
So let's stop devaluing ourselves, let's stop thinking that French should leave the country to succeed. Millenium.org has more page views than sk-gaming.com websitesite or any European or American team out of Team Liquid. Our budget is certainly one of the world's largest structures among the e-sports.
We have to stop seeing ourselves less good than we are because we claim to be a french team.
Stephano as agreed to sign an employment contract 'CDI' (contract with an undetermined term), as "Professional Player", identical to a professional sportsman. He will tour the world to win many tournaments, from Asia to the United States. We place our hopes in him, our dreams of victories made in France, but we also expect many of our other players and the upcoming Starcraft composition League of Legends ...
They make us dream and vibrate! Let Millenium shines for all esports fans that you are and that we are! Souce
WTF???
Oh boy Drama Oo :DDD
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edit: deleted post because of new revelations
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On September 20 2011 02:58 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:56 Emporio wrote:
Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done? Don't turn this into an American vs France war, it's gonna end badly.
I think Millennium already started that.
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Congratz Millenium, we keep the french genius !
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Millenium has money, trust me guys.
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On September 20 2011 02:54 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:46 jlake02 wrote:On September 20 2011 02:43 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 02:41 Sandro wrote:
Oh my god did that just seriously happen? Yeah ! I think CoL made the annoucement a bit soon We have a fully executed (signed) contract, so there was no early announcement. I don't know under witch jurisdiction the contract is. But under the french, there is a probation where anypart can break it without any explanation.
wrong.
But in France, you have 7 days to break a contract, so ...
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For Mr. Page to insinuate we improperly "disoriented" a young player is an outright lie. We have spent weeks negotiating with Stephano and countering offers made by Millennium. This was no quick pressure situation.
We will take a step back and analyze the situation but I hope Millennium honors the rule of contract law and does not disrespect it in eSports. Doing so would set a precedent that would undermine all we are collectively trying to accomplish.
We will evaluate our options but I do not see a way we can allow this blatant disrespect for the contractual process to go unanswered. We will be contacting legal counsel in France and investigating courses of action.
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On September 20 2011 02:56 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:54 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On September 20 2011 02:46 jlake02 wrote:On September 20 2011 02:43 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 02:41 Sandro wrote:
Oh my god did that just seriously happen? Yeah ! I think CoL made the annoucement a bit soon We have a fully executed (signed) contract, so there was no early announcement. I don't know under witch jurisdiction the contract is. But under the french, there is a probation where anypart can break it without any explanation. This can't be right. What the hell is the point of a contract then? Any business would never sign contracts like this without some repercussions for breach.
When nhl players can breach contracts to go between countries I don't think a contract for a sc2 team is going to hold up in any court. Maybe if the teams is from the same country, but otherwise these "international" transfers and their contracts are not worth much really.
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edit : well he changed his mind...
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Why would he sign 2 contracts? Did he get a better offer after he signed with coL and he wants to juice out as much money as possible so he signed with Millenium again? :S
What a mess...
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And now this turns into arbitrary racial pride. Who cares where you came from.
Hope this is cleared up soon, I love watching Stephano and don't really mind which team he is with;; just make sure that he's with a team that supports him.
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On September 20 2011 02:54 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:46 jlake02 wrote:On September 20 2011 02:43 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 02:41 Sandro wrote:
Oh my god did that just seriously happen? Yeah ! I think CoL made the annoucement a bit soon We have a fully executed (signed) contract, so there was no early announcement. I don't know under witch jurisdiction the contract is. But under the french, there is a probation where anypart can break it without any explanation.
I love your name Dandy_Moustachu, and this turn of events is hilarious.
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On September 20 2011 02:56 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:54 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On September 20 2011 02:46 jlake02 wrote:On September 20 2011 02:43 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 02:41 Sandro wrote:
Oh my god did that just seriously happen? Yeah ! I think CoL made the annoucement a bit soon We have a fully executed (signed) contract, so there was no early announcement. I don't know under witch jurisdiction the contract is. But under the french, there is a probation where anypart can break it without any explanation. Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done?
For employment contract : 1 to 3 month (1 for small work, 3 to important one usually), and the time can be doubled.
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On September 20 2011 02:58 ShallNoiseUpon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:55 Arcanne wrote:
Best M can do is buyout Stephano's coL contract to get him back If what Jason Lake says is correct then yes, Millenium would have to buy out the rest of Stephano's coL contract. ESPORTS DRAMA!
That makes perfect legal sense. A player can be "released" from a team on fair terms, but there has to be some sort of reparation. I just don't see how Millennium and compLexity can both part ways on this issue without a sizable sum of money going to one of the organizations from the other, for rights of Stephano. If Stephano's heart is not with compLexity, that is another issue in its entirety, but contracts and legality comes before desire and passion in this case, regardless of what kiddy stories we hear about.
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On September 20 2011 03:00 Earawen wrote:
crazy good news ! Can't wait to see how much he can improve during the next year that he's gonna dedicate entirely to sc2.
Congratz Stephano&coL ! coL.MVP.Stephano FIGHTING ! <3
LOL this is why you need to read the first and last post of long topics.
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Usually the organization states which country the contract is in. If not it's a poorly written contract. I'd imagine coL uses United States (California) law.
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Stephano needs to make up his mind and go with it. Imagine HuK saying, "nahhh, I'll just stay with Liquid, nevermind guys!" after signing his EG contract. SC players => good decision makers. Come onnn stephano
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Finally he's not joining Col. He just made a statement half a hour ago ^^
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Interesting. I'm very interested in how Millennium can compete with the mighty Complexity moneywise.
I think we need an emergency SOTG for the rest of the night 
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rofl i think this will hurt both coL and Millenium reputation tough.
At least he got a nice raise with Mill.
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The fault lies with Stephano IMO, bad form to change his mind like that
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On September 20 2011 03:01 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:00 Earawen wrote:
crazy good news ! Can't wait to see how much he can improve during the next year that he's gonna dedicate entirely to sc2.
Congratz Stephano&coL ! coL.MVP.Stephano FIGHTING ! <3 LOL this is why you need to read the first and last post of long topics.
oh you quoted wrong=)
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Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great.
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On September 20 2011 03:03 hugman wrote:
The fault lies with Stephano IMO, bad form to change his mind like that
No it doesnt lies with Stephano he is 18 years old very young player under huge preassure atm from complexity and Millinium.
The problem is right now between Complexity and Millinium
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I could also see him being under aged to make breaking contract easy
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This is why you dont sign anything with kids under 18.
Drama is good tho.
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On September 20 2011 03:05 Lunas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:03 hugman wrote:
The fault lies with Stephano IMO, bad form to change his mind like that No it doesnt lies with Stephano he is 18 years old very young player under huge preassure atm from complexity and Millinium. The problem is right now between Complexity and Millinium
He's 18, he is old enough to make decisions himself.
Edit: Turns out he is actually 17.
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On September 20 2011 03:02 mki wrote:
Usually the organization states which country the contract is in. If not it's a poorly written contract. I'd imagine coL uses United States (California) law.
At most, coL could force Stephano to be arrested in the US for whatever law there is. In Europe, he is virtually untouchable because the french law applies to all french citizen and inhabitants and it's above everything else except the EU Court and the EU parlament.
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On September 20 2011 03:02 mki wrote:
Usually the organization states which country the contract is in. If not it's a poorly written contract. I'd imagine coL uses United States (California) law.
By default, the "language" of contractual law uses: "THIS CONTRACT WILL ABIDE BY THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK". I was heavily involved in this field of work for a while, and many multi-billion dollar corporations and their contractual agreements and indebted securities had that exact language in them. Whether the legal differences between California and New York would provide any differences in THIS SPECIFIC scenario, I highly doubt it. But not to digress; you are probably 100% spot-on.
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On September 20 2011 03:05 Lunas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:03 hugman wrote:
The fault lies with Stephano IMO, bad form to change his mind like that No it doesnt lies with Stephano he is 18 years old very young player under huge preassure atm from complexity and Millinium. The problem is right now between Complexity and Millinium
tbf, we don't know if his parents also signed the contract as well, making the Complexity one actually legit. If anything, the Millenium one is the contract he signed underaged without parental signature for sure, seeing as how it happened in less than a day.
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This news was wtf in the first place but this new piece from Millenium makes it double wtf.
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jesus, can you ppl stop saying he is under 18, his birthday is not correct in TLPD
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On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great.
I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to.
Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case).
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On September 20 2011 03:07 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:02 mki wrote:
Usually the organization states which country the contract is in. If not it's a poorly written contract. I'd imagine coL uses United States (California) law. At most, coL could force Stephano to be arrested in the US for whatever law there is. In Europe, he is virtually untouchable because the french law applies to all french citizen and inhabitants and it's above everything else except the EU Court and the EU parlament.
You can rest assured that no professional gaming organization with corporate sponsors and a supremely large fanbase will ever arrest a player. That is corporate suicide; no player wants to be strong-armed - it's the companies that will be fighting over legal work. The player is whom they are fighting over, so he should not be harmed.
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On September 20 2011 03:02 SoKHo wrote:
Stephano needs to make up his mind and go with it. Imagine HuK saying, "nahhh, I'll just stay with Liquid, nevermind guys!" after signing his EG contract. SC players => good decision makers. Come onnn stephano
Well its not the same, in huk case EG asked TL permission first. Here we got 2 different teams trying to sign Stephano at the same time
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This is really bad, i see no way how this can turn out well.
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In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :
either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)
And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.
Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known .
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On September 20 2011 03:09 Polynice wrote:
In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :
either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)
And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.
Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known .
I'm pretty sure we are definitely in American law because Complexity is American.
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On September 20 2011 02:58 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:56 Emporio wrote:
Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done? Don't turn this into an American vs France war, it's gonna end badly.
Probably with a French white flag waving as per usual...
Please no ban hammer
User was temp banned for this post.
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On September 20 2011 03:08 hrvoje07 wrote:
jesus, can you ppl stop saying he is under 18, his birthday is not correct in TLPD
Then post a source which says how old he is.
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This is dumb.. player agreements need to start taking place with the player, the new team, and the old team before they break news and sign players
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Stephano is most likely the most talented player right now. only hopes that wherever he ends up he will be supported 100% sending him too Korea. and so on
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On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case).
I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-)
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On September 20 2011 03:11 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:58 Otolia wrote:On September 20 2011 02:56 Emporio wrote:
Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done? Don't turn this into an American vs France war, it's gonna end badly. Probably with a French white flag waving as per usual... Please no ban hammer
Mentioning that you will or will not get banned for something is cause for a ban
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ESPORTS DRAMA LLAMA LEVEL 5 ALERT! EVERYONE GET READY FOR THE THREAD TO JUMP 40 PAGES!
Oh god this is so fun!
No really I'm awaiting a official release before I fly off on a (probably inaccurate anyway) conclusion about Stephano Millennium and coL
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Wherever Stephano ends up, I am extremely unhappy with Millenium. Their statement kinda implies they poached Stephano, a now signed Complexity player, with out talking to Complexity at all. Extremely unprofessional from Mill and I won't be cheering for any of their players anymore because of it.
Sorry Moman :[
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On September 20 2011 03:10 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:09 Polynice wrote:
In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :
either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)
And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.
Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known . I'm pretty sure we are definitely in American law because Complexity is American.
I think Mill will have STeph in the end, maybe (and a big MAYBE) CoL get some compensation or w/e the correct legal term is.
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On September 20 2011 03:12 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:11 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:On September 20 2011 02:58 Otolia wrote:On September 20 2011 02:56 Emporio wrote:
Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done? Don't turn this into an American vs France war, it's gonna end badly. Probably with a French white flag waving as per usual... Please no ban hammer Mentioning that you will or will not get banned for something is cause for a ban
Lol oops, ninja'd
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On September 20 2011 03:10 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:09 Polynice wrote:
In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :
either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)
And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.
Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known . I'm pretty sure we are definitely in American law because Complexity is American.
No, that's the problem. Stephano is still in France. You follow the law of the country where you live. In an American court, coL would probably be right. However in a french one, it remains to be seen. I hope coL did make his contract valid with the french laws otherwise it is null.
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On September 20 2011 03:10 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:09 Polynice wrote:
In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :
either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)
And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.
Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known . I'm pretty sure we are definitely in American law because Complexity is American.
Typically speaking, the corporation making the acquisition utilizes the laws native to the corporation (i.e, New York, USA laws). Also, many many times, foreign corporations default to the laws of the State of New York, because those are the most widely accepted laws in the world, as per contractual law.
Do keep in mind though, that neither company wants to be the bad-guy in this situation. They will both do whatever they can to retain Stephano while minimizing damage, however, the latter will be far more important. As a progaming organization, you would much rather prefer having the support of corporate sponsors, and them seeing that you did the humble and sincere action, than to suffer any negative impacts from holding a player and looking like a bad guy at the same time. Image is even more important than results.
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On September 20 2011 03:12 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case). I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-)
Oh sorry. My mistake.
Although I do disagree with you there. I think complexity needs to take action. If they don't, any other organization will just see they can poach their players with no consequence. They need to defend their player contracts. It's bad for their organization if they just let this go.
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On September 20 2011 03:12 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case). I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-)
Why the hell would they not pursue some sort of compensation? You got your analogy all wrong. In this case, complexity is the customer, and Sony stole back a TV after it was already bought. "Goodwill" doesn't apply to this situation.
Edit: I don't mean "bought" in the sense that they have payed him yet, I mean that they already spend all of the time & energy signing him, starting to include him in all of their plans for the next year, etc.
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On September 20 2011 03:15 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:10 Emporio wrote:On September 20 2011 03:09 Polynice wrote:
In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :
either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)
And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.
Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known . I'm pretty sure we are definitely in American law because Complexity is American. No, that's the problem. Stephano is still in France. You follow the law of the country where you live. In an American court, coL would probably be right. However in a french one, it remains to be seen. I hope coL did make his contract valid with the french laws otherwise it is null.
Unless you're well versed in contract law this isn't meaningful to discuss. Leave it to the lawyers
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On September 20 2011 03:13 BrodiaQ wrote:
Wherever Stephano ends up, I am extremely unhappy with Millenium. Their statement kinda implies they poached Stephano, a now signed Complexity player, with out talking to Complexity at all. Extremely unprofessional from Mill and I won't be cheering for any of their players anymore because of it.
Sorry Moman :[
Blaming players because you hate team??? What's intelligent in that??
I you want to blame a player, blame Stephano for signing 2 contracts in the same time. Talent =/= intelligence and wiseness.
And MoMaN dont play for Millenium but for Virus...
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gj complexity.. i wonder what their response is going to be, and I'm also curious what tactics they used when they were trying to acquire him.
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On September 20 2011 03:12 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case). I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-)
Except there was nothing broken about Stephano going to Complexity. I agree allow Stephano back to Mill if he really wants to but they should be compensated for it. They had a player signed and had already announced him joining their team.
Even if you don't think they should be compensated for the broken contract (which they should be imo) then they should be somehow compensated for the embarrassment of announcing a player joining your squad, then having that player leave your team, with no warning or negotiation, one day later. Mill's actions here are ridiculously unprofessional and should be punished. If a company is as big as Mill claims to be in their post, then they should be expected to take responsibility for their actions and they shouldn't be allowed to just conduct business behind their competitor's backs like they did here.
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On September 20 2011 03:18 Rubber wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:12 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case). I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-) Why the hell would they not pursue some sort of compensation? You got your analogy all wrong. In this case, complexity is the customer, and Sony stole back a TV after it was already bought. "Goodwill" doesn't apply to this situation.
The money they can get out of this does stand in no relation to the effort and trouble they would have to go through, because I'm pretty sure if they want to have money from Millenium they would need to go and take this to court... which is way too much of a hassle to even start it.
Also, it would probably cost them more than get them something :o
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Is it possible to merge the two threads?
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On September 20 2011 03:21 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:18 Rubber wrote:On September 20 2011 03:12 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case). I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-) Why the hell would they not pursue some sort of compensation? You got your analogy all wrong. In this case, complexity is the customer, and Sony stole back a TV after it was already bought. "Goodwill" doesn't apply to this situation. The money they can get out of this does stand in no relation to the effort and trouble they would have to go through, because I'm pretty sure if they want to have money from Millenium they would need to go and take this to court... which is way too much of a hassle to even start it. Also, it would probably cost them more than get them something :o
If it were me, I'd pursue the case with the knowledge that Mil would lose out more than I would (court fees + the compensation). There needs to be a precedent of repercussions set for breaches of contract.
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On September 20 2011 03:21 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:18 Rubber wrote:On September 20 2011 03:12 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case). I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-) Why the hell would they not pursue some sort of compensation? You got your analogy all wrong. In this case, complexity is the customer, and Sony stole back a TV after it was already bought. "Goodwill" doesn't apply to this situation. The money they can get out of this does stand in no relation to the effort and trouble they would have to go through, because I'm pretty sure if they want to have money from Millenium they would need to go and take this to court... which is way too much of a hassle to even start it. Also, it would probably cost them more than get them something :o
That's definitely true. If they go to court, however, it's not the desire for money that's doing it. It's the desire to keep other teams/players from doing this to them constantly. And frankly, even the fact that they force Stephano/Millenium to spend money/time defending themselves in court accomplishes that goal, win or lose the case itself.
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This e-sport drama has already became a diplomatic incident. Obama and Sarkozy are now discussing about this in a "crisis phone call". The war option is not rejected by both sides.
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gogo TL -> recrut Stephano, it's the moment
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On September 20 2011 03:19 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:13 BrodiaQ wrote:
Wherever Stephano ends up, I am extremely unhappy with Millenium. Their statement kinda implies they poached Stephano, a now signed Complexity player, with out talking to Complexity at all. Extremely unprofessional from Mill and I won't be cheering for any of their players anymore because of it.
Sorry Moman :[ Blaming players because you hate team??? What's intelligent in that?? I you want to blame a player, blame Stephano for signing 2 contracts in the same time. Talent =/= intelligence and wiseness. And MoMaN dont play for Millenium but for Virus...
People blame players for being on the team they hate all the time in sports. This is no different. Plus if the player is part of whatever team, and I don't like that team's principles (or their lack there of), or whatever that team is marketing then I have plenty of reason to not like that player.
Stephano is pretty young and I feel more sympathetic for him. Somehow I feel like he probably doesn't understand the gravity of the situation and treated it all more whimsically then he should have. Plus I don't like Stephano in particular, being American I'm not as familiar with him as I am with other European Zergs like Ret, Dimaga, Haypro, and just recently Nerchio.
And I realized that after I posted and hoped no one notices. When I first started watching/following Moman he was on Mill and since then he has just stuck in my head as that even when he dis shout outs to Cyber Nation and now to Virus. That one is my bad :p
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On September 20 2011 02:36 Sphaero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 01:43 Scrutinizer wrote:
I have only watched 1 match of him playing, BO3 against MMA in IGN Proleague.
I have to say his play made me feel almost the same way I felt when I watched Jaedong for the first time when he wasn't that famous.
He has the power to turn a SC veteran and an old lurker to a poster, and is clearly the best potential I have seen in SC2 in the non-korean scene if not in the whole world. (I am not talking about just Zergs)
Mark my words: if he has the necessary mental fortitude, he will become a legend. Oh god... now he is already compared to arguably the best Zerg in the history of SC? Honestly, I know that the hype machine of TL (the posters, not the site itself) can get out of hand from time to time, but this is getting ridiculous. Nobody doubts, that this young guy has tons of talent and potential. He is without a doubt a Top 5 Zerg in EU atm, but everything going farther than this (best foreign Zerg, best foreigner in general) is just unjustified. Claiming, that someone is really good at this game can be done by observing his games. Claiming, that someone is the best in a certain group (EU, non korean, general) however needs accomplishments to back it up, be it major championships or consistent high placings over a long period of time. Thats how it is in individual sports (team sport can be different). I can easily name ten foreigners, who are more accomplished than Stephano. Maybe it is because he didn´t have the chance to collect the accomplishments the others have, but that is pure speculation. I hope, that with this deal with col. he will get the chances to prove himself. Maybe he will justify the hype, maybe he won´t. Lets see how it turns out.
Well, in my post you have quoted, I am talking about nothing but the potential I saw in what I have watched and did not have any comments about if he is accomplished or not.
Jaedong was nowhere near the top when I watched him for the first time, and I was sure I was watching the best SC "player" I have seen, and history did not fail me. His potential was overflowing.
I have just stated that Stephano caused "almost' similar feelings in me, and I made another prediction with a constraint and finished my post with it. Now you cant possibly argue that I did not feel that way and my post is wrong can you?
I am no hypster or anything as can be seen from the number of my posts, making predictions is bold and here I am dedicating my first posts to do just that, it would be very much appreciated if you read the posts you quote, let alone not calling them ridiculous prior to.
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On September 20 2011 03:27 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:25 Rubber wrote:On September 20 2011 03:21 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:18 Rubber wrote:On September 20 2011 03:12 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case). I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-) Why the hell would they not pursue some sort of compensation? You got your analogy all wrong. In this case, complexity is the customer, and Sony stole back a TV after it was already bought. "Goodwill" doesn't apply to this situation. The money they can get out of this does stand in no relation to the effort and trouble they would have to go through, because I'm pretty sure if they want to have money from Millenium they would need to go and take this to court... which is way too much of a hassle to even start it. Also, it would probably cost them more than get them something :o If it were me, I'd pursue the case with the knowledge that Mil would lose out more than I would (court fees + the compensation). There needs to be a precedent of repercussions set for breaches of contract. Why would you want to hurt your own and another organization who are both working towards growing esports and becoming bigger...?
Dude coL just got fucked over by millenium and millenium was taking even more jabs at coL in their statement so dont tell me "working together", also why should competing teams work together?
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Can these gaming teams actually afford real lawyers?
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On September 20 2011 03:28 Scrutinizer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:36 Sphaero wrote:On September 20 2011 01:43 Scrutinizer wrote:
I have only watched 1 match of him playing, BO3 against MMA in IGN Proleague.
I have to say his play made me feel almost the same way I felt when I watched Jaedong for the first time when he wasn't that famous.
He has the power to turn a SC veteran and an old lurker to a poster, and is clearly the best potential I have seen in SC2 in the non-korean scene if not in the whole world. (I am not talking about just Zergs)
Mark my words: if he has the necessary mental fortitude, he will become a legend. Oh god... now he is already compared to arguably the best Zerg in the history of SC? Honestly, I know that the hype machine of TL (the posters, not the site itself) can get out of hand from time to time, but this is getting ridiculous. Nobody doubts, that this young guy has tons of talent and potential. He is without a doubt a Top 5 Zerg in EU atm, but everything going farther than this (best foreign Zerg, best foreigner in general) is just unjustified. Claiming, that someone is really good at this game can be done by observing his games. Claiming, that someone is the best in a certain group (EU, non korean, general) however needs accomplishments to back it up, be it major championships or consistent high placings over a long period of time. Thats how it is in individual sports (team sport can be different). I can easily name ten foreigners, who are more accomplished than Stephano. Maybe it is because he didn´t have the chance to collect the accomplishments the others have, but that is pure speculation. I hope, that with this deal with col. he will get the chances to prove himself. Maybe he will justify the hype, maybe he won´t. Lets see how it turns out. Well, in my post you have quoted, I am talking about nothing but the potential I saw in what I have watched and did not have any comments about if he is accomplished or not. Jaedong was nowhere near the top when I watched him for the first time, and I was sure I was watching the best SC "player" I have seen, and history did not fail me. His potential was overflowing. I have just stated that Stephano caused "almost' similar feelings in me, and I made another prediction with a constraint and finished my post with it. Now you cant possibly argue that I did not feel that way and my post is wrong can you? I am no hypster or anything as can be seen from the number of my posts, making predictions is bold and here I am dedicating my first posts to do just that, it would be very much appreciated if you read the posts you quote, let alone not calling them ridiculous prior to.
Would you say....you scrutinized his play?
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On September 20 2011 03:27 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:25 Rubber wrote:On September 20 2011 03:21 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:18 Rubber wrote:On September 20 2011 03:12 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case). I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-) Why the hell would they not pursue some sort of compensation? You got your analogy all wrong. In this case, complexity is the customer, and Sony stole back a TV after it was already bought. "Goodwill" doesn't apply to this situation. The money they can get out of this does stand in no relation to the effort and trouble they would have to go through, because I'm pretty sure if they want to have money from Millenium they would need to go and take this to court... which is way too much of a hassle to even start it. Also, it would probably cost them more than get them something :o If it were me, I'd pursue the case with the knowledge that Mil would lose out more than I would (court fees + the compensation). There needs to be a precedent of repercussions set for breaches of contract. Why would you want to hurt your own and another organization who are both working towards growing esports and becoming bigger...? Going to court over anything esports related isn't worth it in any way.
You're not growing esports if you're breaking player contracts.
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On September 20 2011 03:27 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:25 Rubber wrote:On September 20 2011 03:21 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:18 Rubber wrote:On September 20 2011 03:12 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case). I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-) Why the hell would they not pursue some sort of compensation? You got your analogy all wrong. In this case, complexity is the customer, and Sony stole back a TV after it was already bought. "Goodwill" doesn't apply to this situation. The money they can get out of this does stand in no relation to the effort and trouble they would have to go through, because I'm pretty sure if they want to have money from Millenium they would need to go and take this to court... which is way too much of a hassle to even start it. Also, it would probably cost them more than get them something :o If it were me, I'd pursue the case with the knowledge that Mil would lose out more than I would (court fees + the compensation). There needs to be a precedent of repercussions set for breaches of contract. Why would you want to hurt your own and another organization who are both working towards growing esports and becoming bigger...? Going to court over pretty much anything esports related isn't worth it in any way.
Because you cant let players and teams just do this kind of shit whenever they want. If you really want E-sports to grow you want it to grow in the right direction. Do you want people just doing what ever they want? Joining teams leaving teams when ever they decide breaking contracts like its nothing? NO that would lead to total chaos and no companies want to financially support E-sports if it looks like a huge RISK.
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On September 20 2011 03:26 aristarchus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:21 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:18 Rubber wrote:On September 20 2011 03:12 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case). I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-) Why the hell would they not pursue some sort of compensation? You got your analogy all wrong. In this case, complexity is the customer, and Sony stole back a TV after it was already bought. "Goodwill" doesn't apply to this situation. The money they can get out of this does stand in no relation to the effort and trouble they would have to go through, because I'm pretty sure if they want to have money from Millenium they would need to go and take this to court... which is way too much of a hassle to even start it. Also, it would probably cost them more than get them something :o That's definitely true. If they go to court, however, it's not the desire for money that's doing it. It's the desire to keep other teams/players from doing this to them constantly. And frankly, even the fact that they force Stephano/Millenium to spend money/time defending themselves in court accomplishes that goal, win or lose the case itself.
I get what you are saying. I think both coL and Mil want eSports to rise so I'm not sure what exactly the right action is. Make eSports more serious, more professional and takes it to the court OR just quit it and don't waste eSports money on something like that.
I will quit the discussion here as it will not lead to anything. We both understand each others point of view, but I think we might have different opinions about it^^!
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On September 20 2011 03:09 gulati wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:07 Otolia wrote:On September 20 2011 03:02 mki wrote:
Usually the organization states which country the contract is in. If not it's a poorly written contract. I'd imagine coL uses United States (California) law. At most, coL could force Stephano to be arrested in the US for whatever law there is. In Europe, he is virtually untouchable because the french law applies to all french citizen and inhabitants and it's above everything else except the EU Court and the EU parlament. You can rest assured that no professional gaming organization with corporate sponsors and a supremely large fanbase will ever arrest a player. That is corporate suicide; no player wants to be strong-armed - it's the companies that will be fighting over legal work. The player is whom they are fighting over, so he should not be harmed.
Breaking a contract is not a criminal offense that would warrant arrest. (Well, unless you happen to take a broad reading of what the Computer Abuse Act says but even that is getting fixed via a Senate bill introduced recently - but that's a total aside). Choice of law is sometimes a complex field so without seeing the contract, I wouldn't venture an opinion on it (and I would recommend that no one else can, either, without seeing the contract - I am a lawyer although this does not constitute legal advice).
I am curious to see what coL can do though - as far as I know, this might prove interesting in figuring out how one calculates expected value / damages from a player signing.
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You can rest assured that no professional gaming organization with corporate sponsors and a supremely large fanbase will ever arrest a player.
LOL.
That's the most hilarious thing I've ever pictured in my head.
Imagine Sir Scoots or Hotbid cuffing some nerd baller.
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http://www.ufe.org/etudiants/le-contrat-de-travail-international
Si vous êtes un salarié de nationalité française, la compétence sera donnée au tribunal français même si le contrat est conclu et exécuté à l'étranger.
Translation:
If you are working for a foreign company and you are french, only a french court is able to legislate.
And according to the french law, Stephano had one month to make up his mind.
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Just to make sure I read things correctly, he has officially signed the contract with Complexity, but only agreed to terms with millennium? If this is the case, then a contract is legally binding and all parties must honor that contract. I guess we'll let the courts decide for sure...but somebody let me know if I am misunderstanding something here.
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Wonder at what page this ends up to be blamed on IdrA? Around page 50 I would guess :D
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This entire situation is a complete mess. No matter what either side does from this point on, all parties look extremely unprofessional and will feel the effects of negative PR. Similarly, crap like this reflects poorly on eSports as a whole.
I mostly feel bad for complexity.. it would appear, from preliminary data, that they are the victims in this situation. It's going to make them look bad to seek legal action, but they really don't have a choice. Like one of the previous posters said, teams need to respect contract law.
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Well... it eventually had to happen. We could almost taste it when Huk joined EG.
To be fair, it's the best proof that e-sport is healthier than ever and continuing to grow.
Two teams fighting over a player? That's a dream come true! Now professional gamers can just wait until the last team stands with the best offer
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I support Col 100% in this matter
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On September 20 2011 03:42 5ukkub wrote:Well... it eventually had to happen. We could almost taste it when Huk joined EG. To be fair, it's the best proof that e-sport is healthier than ever and continuing to grow. Two teams fighting over a player? That's a dream come true! Now professional gamers can just wait until the last team stands with the best offer
What? HuK joining EG was probably the cleanest player transfer ever to be made.
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I'm sososo confused. And i'm not going to try and guess what it is going to happen/could happen either.
I'll wait for the next press releases before i draw a true opinion.
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On September 20 2011 03:34 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:26 aristarchus wrote:On September 20 2011 03:21 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:18 Rubber wrote:On September 20 2011 03:12 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case). I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-) Why the hell would they not pursue some sort of compensation? You got your analogy all wrong. In this case, complexity is the customer, and Sony stole back a TV after it was already bought. "Goodwill" doesn't apply to this situation. The money they can get out of this does stand in no relation to the effort and trouble they would have to go through, because I'm pretty sure if they want to have money from Millenium they would need to go and take this to court... which is way too much of a hassle to even start it. Also, it would probably cost them more than get them something :o That's definitely true. If they go to court, however, it's not the desire for money that's doing it. It's the desire to keep other teams/players from doing this to them constantly. And frankly, even the fact that they force Stephano/Millenium to spend money/time defending themselves in court accomplishes that goal, win or lose the case itself. I get what you are saying. I think both coL and Mil want eSports to rise so I'm not sure what exactly the right action is. Make eSports more serious, more professional and takes it to the court OR just quit it and don't waste eSports money on something like that. I will quit the discussion here as it will not lead to anything. We both understand each others point of view, but I think we might have different opinions about it^^!
Probably the best resolution would be Millennium compensating Complexity in some way. Both organizations save face and esports contracts are upheld.
Anything else is going to have serious ramifications.
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LOL, nope!, Chuck Testa !
User was warned for this post
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If the teams dont come to an agreement (probably over compensation rather than Stephano playing for coL), they might be able to stop Stephano from playing in the US. Cease and desist type of thing. And even if not, then I could see MLG/IPL disqualifying Stephano basically since they want eSports to have professional and reliable contracts.
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On September 20 2011 03:43 ellirc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:42 5ukkub wrote:Well... it eventually had to happen. We could almost taste it when Huk joined EG. To be fair, it's the best proof that e-sport is healthier than ever and continuing to grow. Two teams fighting over a player? That's a dream come true! Now professional gamers can just wait until the last team stands with the best offer What? HuK joining EG was probably the cleanest player transfer ever to be made.
You could almost "touch the drama cloud" while reading the mysterious announcment of an announcment thread
And the comments of fans and even those affiliated with TL team made my room tremble, like from hordes of drummers constantly playing this thrilling tone over and over again... That's how i felt then and now it comes again
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On September 20 2011 03:50 5ukkub wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:43 ellirc wrote:On September 20 2011 03:42 5ukkub wrote:Well... it eventually had to happen. We could almost taste it when Huk joined EG. To be fair, it's the best proof that e-sport is healthier than ever and continuing to grow. Two teams fighting over a player? That's a dream come true! Now professional gamers can just wait until the last team stands with the best offer What? HuK joining EG was probably the cleanest player transfer ever to be made. You could almost "touch the drama cloud" while reading the mysterious announcment of an announcment thread And the comments of fans and even those affiliated with TL team made my room tremble, like from hordes of drummers constantly playing this thrilling tone over and over again... That's how i felt then and now it comes again
What the hell are you talking about
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On September 20 2011 02:46 jlake02 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:43 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 02:41 Sandro wrote:
Oh my god did that just seriously happen? Yeah ! I think CoL made the annoucement a bit soon We have a fully executed (signed) contract, so there was no early announcement.
So you have had overnight a contract signed on real paper and sent to you ?
If not it is not legal in France, and according to the French law you have to put in the contract a probationary period (don't remember the exact modalities) during which eqch side can break the contract.
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On September 20 2011 03:00 jlake02 wrote:
For Mr. Page to insinuate we improperly "disoriented" a young player is an outright lie. We have spent weeks negotiating with Stephano and countering offers made by Millennium. This was no quick pressure situation.
We will take a step back and analyze the situation but I hope Millennium honors the rule of contract law and does not disrespect it in eSports. Doing so would set a precedent that would undermine all we are collectively trying to accomplish.
We will evaluate our options but I do not see a way we can allow this blatant disrespect for the contractual process to go unanswered. We will be contacting legal counsel in France and investigating courses of action.
Class act. Jason Lake 2012.
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On September 20 2011 03:50 5ukkub wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:43 ellirc wrote:On September 20 2011 03:42 5ukkub wrote:Well... it eventually had to happen. We could almost taste it when Huk joined EG. To be fair, it's the best proof that e-sport is healthier than ever and continuing to grow. Two teams fighting over a player? That's a dream come true! Now professional gamers can just wait until the last team stands with the best offer What? HuK joining EG was probably the cleanest player transfer ever to be made. You could almost "touch the drama cloud" while reading the mysterious announcment of an announcment thread And the comments of fans and even those affiliated with TL team made my room tremble, like from hordes of drummers constantly playing this thrilling tone over and over again... That's how i felt then and now it comes again
It was exciting, I agree. But the transfer is in no way similar to this. Think again please.
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I don't want to take side either because i don't think eveyone is clean here but i just wanted to point out that:
Stephano is a Millenium player for many years (he joined them back in wc3)
They invested on him when he was unknown in SC2. And now he had planned to do a streaming-show for them and other stuffs He told a french esportsite (esportfrance.com) despite that he had received a lot of offers, he was going to stay in Millenium.
They were about to make him sign a contract.
They didn't know that Col -edit-had signed-- Stephano. The announcement arrives at 3a.m in France without the knowledge of Millenium.
You can imagine they must have been surprised...
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So does a signature on a legal document mean nothing at this point? Stephano is turning down a very good offer IMO.
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On September 20 2011 03:31 ShallNoiseUpon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:28 Scrutinizer wrote:On September 20 2011 02:36 Sphaero wrote:On September 20 2011 01:43 Scrutinizer wrote:
I have only watched 1 match of him playing, BO3 against MMA in IGN Proleague.
I have to say his play made me feel almost the same way I felt when I watched Jaedong for the first time when he wasn't that famous.
He has the power to turn a SC veteran and an old lurker to a poster, and is clearly the best potential I have seen in SC2 in the non-korean scene if not in the whole world. (I am not talking about just Zergs)
Mark my words: if he has the necessary mental fortitude, he will become a legend. Oh god... now he is already compared to arguably the best Zerg in the history of SC? Honestly, I know that the hype machine of TL (the posters, not the site itself) can get out of hand from time to time, but this is getting ridiculous. Nobody doubts, that this young guy has tons of talent and potential. He is without a doubt a Top 5 Zerg in EU atm, but everything going farther than this (best foreign Zerg, best foreigner in general) is just unjustified. Claiming, that someone is really good at this game can be done by observing his games. Claiming, that someone is the best in a certain group (EU, non korean, general) however needs accomplishments to back it up, be it major championships or consistent high placings over a long period of time. Thats how it is in individual sports (team sport can be different). I can easily name ten foreigners, who are more accomplished than Stephano. Maybe it is because he didn´t have the chance to collect the accomplishments the others have, but that is pure speculation. I hope, that with this deal with col. he will get the chances to prove himself. Maybe he will justify the hype, maybe he won´t. Lets see how it turns out. Well, in my post you have quoted, I am talking about nothing but the potential I saw in what I have watched and did not have any comments about if he is accomplished or not. Jaedong was nowhere near the top when I watched him for the first time, and I was sure I was watching the best SC "player" I have seen, and history did not fail me. His potential was overflowing. I have just stated that Stephano caused "almost' similar feelings in me, and I made another prediction with a constraint and finished my post with it. Now you cant possibly argue that I did not feel that way and my post is wrong can you? I am no hypster or anything as can be seen from the number of my posts, making predictions is bold and here I am dedicating my first posts to do just that, it would be very much appreciated if you read the posts you quote, let alone not calling them ridiculous prior to. Would you say....you scrutinized his play?
I did not get your point maybe because I am not a native english speaker, but you could say so as I tend to examine things. As for SC it is 2nd nature to a former WCG participant like me ^^
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On September 20 2011 03:57 Thurken wrote:
I don't want to take side either because i don't think eveyone is clean here but i just wanted to point out that:
Stephano is a Millenium player for many years (he joined them back in wc3)
They invested on him when he was unknown in SC2. And now he had planned to do a streaming-show for them and other stuffs He told a french esportsite (esportfrance.com) despite that he had received a lot of offers, he was going to stay in Millenium.
They were about to make him sign a contract.
They didn't know that Col was signing Stephano. The announcement arrives at 3a.m in France without the knowledge of Millenium.
You can imagine they must have been surprised...
You should re-read the OP Mod edit.
For Mr. Page to insinuate we improperly "disoriented" a young player is an outright lie. We have spent weeks negotiating with Stephano and countering offers made by Millennium. This was no quick pressure situation.
This seems like slightly shady dealings from Mill, but at the heart of the matter is Stephano hopefully learning an important lesson. He's only recently turned 18, still young and all that. I think he just jumped the gun and signed before he should have and it's biting him and everyone around him in the butt right now.
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On September 20 2011 04:01 Scrutinizer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:31 ShallNoiseUpon wrote:On September 20 2011 03:28 Scrutinizer wrote:On September 20 2011 02:36 Sphaero wrote:On September 20 2011 01:43 Scrutinizer wrote:
I have only watched 1 match of him playing, BO3 against MMA in IGN Proleague.
I have to say his play made me feel almost the same way I felt when I watched Jaedong for the first time when he wasn't that famous.
He has the power to turn a SC veteran and an old lurker to a poster, and is clearly the best potential I have seen in SC2 in the non-korean scene if not in the whole world. (I am not talking about just Zergs)
Mark my words: if he has the necessary mental fortitude, he will become a legend. Oh god... now he is already compared to arguably the best Zerg in the history of SC? Honestly, I know that the hype machine of TL (the posters, not the site itself) can get out of hand from time to time, but this is getting ridiculous. Nobody doubts, that this young guy has tons of talent and potential. He is without a doubt a Top 5 Zerg in EU atm, but everything going farther than this (best foreign Zerg, best foreigner in general) is just unjustified. Claiming, that someone is really good at this game can be done by observing his games. Claiming, that someone is the best in a certain group (EU, non korean, general) however needs accomplishments to back it up, be it major championships or consistent high placings over a long period of time. Thats how it is in individual sports (team sport can be different). I can easily name ten foreigners, who are more accomplished than Stephano. Maybe it is because he didn´t have the chance to collect the accomplishments the others have, but that is pure speculation. I hope, that with this deal with col. he will get the chances to prove himself. Maybe he will justify the hype, maybe he won´t. Lets see how it turns out. Well, in my post you have quoted, I am talking about nothing but the potential I saw in what I have watched and did not have any comments about if he is accomplished or not. Jaedong was nowhere near the top when I watched him for the first time, and I was sure I was watching the best SC "player" I have seen, and history did not fail me. His potential was overflowing. I have just stated that Stephano caused "almost' similar feelings in me, and I made another prediction with a constraint and finished my post with it. Now you cant possibly argue that I did not feel that way and my post is wrong can you? I am no hypster or anything as can be seen from the number of my posts, making predictions is bold and here I am dedicating my first posts to do just that, it would be very much appreciated if you read the posts you quote, let alone not calling them ridiculous prior to. Would you say....you scrutinized his play? I did not get your point maybe because I am not a native english speaker, but you could say so as I tend to examine things. As for SC it is 2nd nature to a former WCG participant like me ^^
Look at your forum name
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On September 20 2011 03:52 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:50 5ukkub wrote:On September 20 2011 03:43 ellirc wrote:On September 20 2011 03:42 5ukkub wrote:Well... it eventually had to happen. We could almost taste it when Huk joined EG. To be fair, it's the best proof that e-sport is healthier than ever and continuing to grow. Two teams fighting over a player? That's a dream come true! Now professional gamers can just wait until the last team stands with the best offer What? HuK joining EG was probably the cleanest player transfer ever to be made. You could almost "touch the drama cloud" while reading the mysterious announcment of an announcment thread And the comments of fans and even those affiliated with TL team made my room tremble, like from hordes of drummers constantly playing this thrilling tone over and over again... That's how i felt then and now it comes again What the hell are you talking about
If it's too hard to notice... i mentioned the familiarity in drama that have been felt by the community (although this time it seems there is more misunderstanding involved).
And then responded to the poster that argued my point. I thing either you misunderstood or just didn't read the quotes ^^
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On September 20 2011 03:57 Thurken wrote:
I don't want to take side either because i don't think eveyone is clean here but i just wanted to point out that:
Stephano is a Millenium player for many years (he joined them back in wc3)
They invested on him when he was unknown in SC2. And now he had planned to do a streaming-show for them and other stuffs He told a french esportsite (esportfrance.com) despite that he had received a lot of offers, he was going to stay in Millenium.
They were about to make him sign a contract.
They didn't know that Col was signing Stephano. The announcement arrives at 3a.m in France without the knowledge of Millenium.
You can imagine they must have been surprised...
Where are you getting the info that Mill did not know Col was signing Stephano? according to Col they have been in talks for weeks and have had counter offers to what Mil has given.
Did Mil come right out and say that they had no idea that Col was talking to stephano? if so i have yet to see it and could you please link the page
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I don't know which country's laws are appliable here (but both coL and stephano do)
What I know is that if the contract is under french law (i only studied about contracts ^^), i don't see how coL could "win" (don't know how to say) for many reasons...
Some of them : Stephano is Millenium since many years, this is like a repeated action. Even if he wasnt link with them with a real contract (signed), he is M since a long time. Stephano is also young, french law could say that he was "under pressure" (i dont know how to say it ^^), that coL "manipulated" his mind. Of course, coL will say that they didnt but if Stephano's will is to be Millenium, coL will not be able to force him just because french law claims intention (what your heart/mind wants) first instead of how you acted.
But if it is with US laws, i dont know ^^
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On September 20 2011 04:02 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:01 Scrutinizer wrote:On September 20 2011 03:31 ShallNoiseUpon wrote:On September 20 2011 03:28 Scrutinizer wrote:On September 20 2011 02:36 Sphaero wrote:On September 20 2011 01:43 Scrutinizer wrote:
I have only watched 1 match of him playing, BO3 against MMA in IGN Proleague.
I have to say his play made me feel almost the same way I felt when I watched Jaedong for the first time when he wasn't that famous.
He has the power to turn a SC veteran and an old lurker to a poster, and is clearly the best potential I have seen in SC2 in the non-korean scene if not in the whole world. (I am not talking about just Zergs)
Mark my words: if he has the necessary mental fortitude, he will become a legend. Oh god... now he is already compared to arguably the best Zerg in the history of SC? Honestly, I know that the hype machine of TL (the posters, not the site itself) can get out of hand from time to time, but this is getting ridiculous. Nobody doubts, that this young guy has tons of talent and potential. He is without a doubt a Top 5 Zerg in EU atm, but everything going farther than this (best foreign Zerg, best foreigner in general) is just unjustified. Claiming, that someone is really good at this game can be done by observing his games. Claiming, that someone is the best in a certain group (EU, non korean, general) however needs accomplishments to back it up, be it major championships or consistent high placings over a long period of time. Thats how it is in individual sports (team sport can be different). I can easily name ten foreigners, who are more accomplished than Stephano. Maybe it is because he didn´t have the chance to collect the accomplishments the others have, but that is pure speculation. I hope, that with this deal with col. he will get the chances to prove himself. Maybe he will justify the hype, maybe he won´t. Lets see how it turns out. Well, in my post you have quoted, I am talking about nothing but the potential I saw in what I have watched and did not have any comments about if he is accomplished or not. Jaedong was nowhere near the top when I watched him for the first time, and I was sure I was watching the best SC "player" I have seen, and history did not fail me. His potential was overflowing. I have just stated that Stephano caused "almost' similar feelings in me, and I made another prediction with a constraint and finished my post with it. Now you cant possibly argue that I did not feel that way and my post is wrong can you? I am no hypster or anything as can be seen from the number of my posts, making predictions is bold and here I am dedicating my first posts to do just that, it would be very much appreciated if you read the posts you quote, let alone not calling them ridiculous prior to. Would you say....you scrutinized his play? I did not get your point maybe because I am not a native english speaker, but you could say so as I tend to examine things. As for SC it is 2nd nature to a former WCG participant like me ^^ Look at your forum name
... Can you explain me then what is the point "Would you say....you scrutinized his play?" ?
Is that supposed to be funny because my nickname is scrutinizer? I honestly did not get it and I thought it maybe related to some pun or the like in english that I am not aware of.
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Stephano is just ahead of a curve. FUTURE OF ESPORTS Playin at once for 2 teams why stop on one? Silly boys get real.
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I think my use of the english langage is the problem here.
I wanted to say that Millenium did not know that Stephano was a Col player at the precise time he signed the contract, and at the time the news appeared in TL.
I don't know for the "been in talks for weeks" part
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On September 20 2011 03:57 Thurken wrote:
I don't want to take side either because i don't think eveyone is clean here but i just wanted to point out that:
Stephano is a Millenium player for many years (he joined them back in wc3)
They invested on him when he was unknown in SC2. And now he had planned to do a streaming-show for them and other stuffs He told a french esportsite (esportfrance.com) despite that he had received a lot of offers, he was going to stay in Millenium.
They were about to make him sign a contract.
They didn't know that Col was signing Stephano. The announcement arrives at 3a.m in France without the knowledge of Millenium.
You can imagine they must have been surprised...
If it's true that Mill didn't know that Col was signing him, it's well deserved for Col
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On September 20 2011 04:14 hyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:57 Thurken wrote:
I don't want to take side either because i don't think eveyone is clean here but i just wanted to point out that:
Stephano is a Millenium player for many years (he joined them back in wc3)
They invested on him when he was unknown in SC2. And now he had planned to do a streaming-show for them and other stuffs He told a french esportsite (esportfrance.com) despite that he had received a lot of offers, he was going to stay in Millenium.
They were about to make him sign a contract.
They didn't know that Col was signing Stephano. The announcement arrives at 3a.m in France without the knowledge of Millenium.
You can imagine they must have been surprised... If it's true that Mill didn't know that Col was signing him, it's well deserved for Col
Even if this is the case, it is on Stephano, not the organizations. Unless coL held a gun up to Stephano's head at 3am, it was Stephano's choice to sign.
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Stay classy CoL !
Kind of a slap in the face, but deserved if they tried to kind of steal him.'
Edit: nvm reading other thread, should delete em and make one thread on the situation imo.
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On September 20 2011 04:13 Thurken wrote:
I think my use of the english langage is the problem here.
I wanted to say that Millenium did not know that Stephano was a Col player at the precise time he signed the contract, and at the time the news appeared in TL.
I don't know for the "been in talks for weeks" part
Not only Millenium knew, but they newsed it on their website during the night cf.
News Mille
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Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree?
Travel the world and the seven seas....
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On September 20 2011 04:18 Koorb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:13 Thurken wrote:
I think my use of the english langage is the problem here.
I wanted to say that Millenium did not know that Stephano was a Col player at the precise time he signed the contract, and at the time the news appeared in TL.
I don't know for the "been in talks for weeks" part Not only Millenium knew, but they newsed it on their website during the night cf. News Mille
So it's Millenniums fault then.
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On September 20 2011 04:18 Koorb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:13 Thurken wrote:
I think my use of the english langage is the problem here.
I wanted to say that Millenium did not know that Stephano was a Col player at the precise time he signed the contract, and at the time the news appeared in TL.
I don't know for the "been in talks for weeks" part Not only Millenium knew, but they newsed it on their website during the night cf. News Mille
When i read the news, i have the impression Millenium learned it when they read the news on the Col site.
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It's one of Millenium League of Legends newser who newsed it during the night (he saw the news on TL or Col i don't know)
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Isn't this the same as EG signing PuMa?
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Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !
User was warned for this post
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I know a little french law ( I study law ) and according to LLewellys (Millenium sc2 manager) the contract that stephano has signed doesnt respect the French law at all. And for a french player who's playing in the french territory the contract has to be signed in accordance with French law. Also one of the base of french contract law is the principle of retraction wich allow any player that signed a contract to change his mind. I don't know a lot about american but in this we clearly have to apply french law, (check the "Code civil" article 3)
Moreover LLewellys say that CoL didn't negociate with Millenium and only talk with stephano at 5 AM which is not very fair, you may admit it...
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On September 20 2011 05:16 jib60 wrote:
I know a little french law ( I study law ) and according to LLewellys (Millenium sc2 manager) the contract that stephano has signed doesnt respect the French law at all. And for a french player who's playing in the french territory the contract has to be signed in accordance with French law. Also one of the base of french contract law is the principle of retraction wich allow any player that signed a contract to change his mind. I don't know a lot about american but in this we clearly have to apply french law, (check the "Code civil" article 3)
Moreover LLewellys say that CoL didn't negociate with Millenium and only talk with stephano at 5 AM which is not very fair, you may admit it...
In the end, both Millenium and Col will say that they are the good guy, and the other one are the bad guy. And as we never know everything, haters gonna hates
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A contract of this magnitude deserves to go to a much more mature individual. Get another emerging EU talent that wouldn't take such a chance for granted.
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On September 20 2011 05:09 AmOrow wrote:
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !
User was warned for this post
User was warned for this post because it is true??
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On September 20 2011 05:21 zolii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:09 AmOrow wrote:
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !
User was warned for this post User was warned for this post because it is true??
Calling someone a dumbass is objectively true? No.
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On September 20 2011 05:22 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:21 zolii wrote:On September 20 2011 05:09 AmOrow wrote:
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !
User was warned for this post User was warned for this post because it is true?? Calling someone a dumbass is objectively true? No.
So signing a contract with one team and then signing one with a different team is objectively not dumb ?
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On September 20 2011 05:24 zolii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:22 karpo wrote:On September 20 2011 05:21 zolii wrote:On September 20 2011 05:09 AmOrow wrote:
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !
User was warned for this post User was warned for this post because it is true?? Calling someone a dumbass is objectively true? No. So signing a contract with one team and then signing one with a different team is objectively not dumb ?
Making a dumb decision is not the same as being a dumbass...
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On September 20 2011 05:21 zolii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:09 AmOrow wrote:
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !
User was warned for this post User was warned for this post because it is true??
Because insulting players or casters or teams is forbidden right here
"i think Stephano made the bigger mistake" is much better
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I really, really dislike French law after reading this. Why in the world should you be able to retract your decision on a contract? The signing should be the defining moment where you can't go back, all deliberation should be done prior to the signing.
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On September 20 2011 05:25 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:21 zolii wrote:On September 20 2011 05:09 AmOrow wrote:
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !
User was warned for this post User was warned for this post because it is true?? Because insulting players or casters or teams is forbidden right here "i think Stephano made the bigger mistake" is much better
Sounds resonable ;]
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I know the man since warcraft 3. I mean I say that not only for this moove but for all thing this guy do in the past
You may like how he play (I say he is a good Zerg) but the man is like what I say previously...
And I like the Mille's answer "We have one of the best budget in the world", and they don't keep Tod ?? Hilarious !!
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On September 20 2011 05:19 IMSmooth wrote:
A contract of this magnitude deserves to go to a much more mature individual. Get another emerging EU talent that wouldn't take such a chance for granted.
Who said that the offer of coL was better than the Millenium offer???!!! Even more, why accept an offer that isn't even acceptable in France?!
On September 20 2011 05:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
I really, really dislike French law after reading this. Why in the world should you be able to retract your decision on a contract? The signing should be the defining moment where you can't go back, all deliberation should be done prior to the signing.
You can accept an offer, and didn't see one of the term. So what do you do, be "owned" for all the lenght of the contract?
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Because you have an amrican conception of justice, US law is also shocking for a lot of french, for exemple the fact that us law can make you guilty and send you to jail like a criminal even if no judge stated you're guilty (ifyouseewhatImean...)
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United States2095 Posts
I'm just going to throw this out here because these sorts of situations are really stressful for everyone involved. As spectators in this event, we don't really know everything that is going on behind the scenes. We can grab our pitchforks, light em on fire and go for the throat or we can realize we don't know who to use our pitchforks on and keep em locked up.
I don't like saying one player is stupid or this decision is wrong or -1 fan stephano because put simply we don't know the whole story. Even if we did know the whole story, its still rude to have hundreds of people telling you that your stupid. I've been in this situation before, and its no fun! I just hope people realize that posting on this forum DOES get read by both Stephano and both companies, Mil and Col and any slander directed at any of these parties will negatively affect them. Without all the information and even with it, lets promote e-sports not bash on one of our own. Company owners and pro-players are people too...
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On September 20 2011 05:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
I really, really dislike French law after reading this. Why in the world should you be able to retract your decision on a contract? The signing should be the defining moment where you can't go back, all deliberation should be done prior to the signing.
Just for 30 days.
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On September 20 2011 05:33 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm just going to throw this out here because these sorts of situations are really stressful for everyone involved. As spectators in this event, we don't really know everything that is going on behind the scenes. We can grab our pitchforks, light em on fire and go for the throat or we can realize we don't know who to use our pitchforks on and keep em locked up.
I don't like saying one player is stupid or this decision is wrong or -1 fan stephano because put simply we don't know the whole story. Even if we did know the whole story, its still rude to have hundreds of people telling you that your stupid. I've been in this situation before, and its no fun! I just hope people realize that posting on this forum DOES get read by both Stephano and both companies, Mil and Col and any slander directed at any of these parties will negatively affect them. Without all the information and even with it, lets promote e-sports not bash on one of our own. Company owners and pro-players are people too...
Here is the truth. Calm and Wise. Thank you Sheth.
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On September 20 2011 05:34 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
I really, really dislike French law after reading this. Why in the world should you be able to retract your decision on a contract? The signing should be the defining moment where you can't go back, all deliberation should be done prior to the signing. Just for 30 days.
Still doesn't make sense to me. I personally believe if you sign something saying you will do something for someone and you're not in a state of duress, you have an obligation to fulfill the agreement.
Whatever though, it's just something that jumped out to me as "different."
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in fact the question of the retraction isn't even the problem, a contract for a french player on the french territory as to be made according to french law.
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On September 20 2011 05:37 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:33 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm just going to throw this out here because these sorts of situations are really stressful for everyone involved. As spectators in this event, we don't really know everything that is going on behind the scenes. We can grab our pitchforks, light em on fire and go for the throat or we can realize we don't know who to use our pitchforks on and keep em locked up.
I don't like saying one player is stupid or this decision is wrong or -1 fan stephano because put simply we don't know the whole story. Even if we did know the whole story, its still rude to have hundreds of people telling you that your stupid. I've been in this situation before, and its no fun! I just hope people realize that posting on this forum DOES get read by both Stephano and both companies, Mil and Col and any slander directed at any of these parties will negatively affect them. Without all the information and even with it, lets promote e-sports not bash on one of our own. Company owners and pro-players are people too... Here is the truth. Calm and Wise. Thank you Sheth.
What els do you except from Sheth? Sheth is the boss! it is nice to have somebody here that can talk about this inn a real manner and knows how it is too be on the other side! sometimes this community is a way to fast to pick up the pitchforks as sheth put it.
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also FabledIntegral you would really like this part of french low when you buy a house and realize 3 days later that an airport or something is going to be build right next
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Stephano going to compLexity? Nope.
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Why you posted this news and didn't contact direcly [M] for speaking about Stephano future ?
It's not very mature and professional isn't it ?
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I want to hear Stephano's and Millenium's opinion on this.
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On September 20 2011 05:37 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:34 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 05:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
I really, really dislike French law after reading this. Why in the world should you be able to retract your decision on a contract? The signing should be the defining moment where you can't go back, all deliberation should be done prior to the signing. Just for 30 days. Still doesn't make sense to me. I personally believe if you sign something saying you will do something for someone and you're not in a state of duress, you have an obligation to fulfill the agreement. Whatever though, it's just something that jumped out to me as "different."
This law was created to avoid some assholes to force fragile people (very old, mentaly low, psychologicaly injured, very young) signing some stupid contracts that fuck them.
ATTENTION : What i just say his just to explain this law, nothing more.
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I'm french and i have read it, your answer don't relate to my question.
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Lets support the professional players, not the people who breach a contract the instant they sign one. French law or not, this is ridiculous and any Team attempting to sign with stephano better ask for some type of collateral so he does not renege on the signing in the future.
For Sheth to come in here and act like we don't have any information here is ridiculous. We know he reneged on the contract, that is enough for everyone and should be embarrassing.
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On September 20 2011 05:33 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm just going to throw this out here because these sorts of situations are really stressful for everyone involved. As spectators in this event, we don't really know everything that is going on behind the scenes. We can grab our pitchforks, light em on fire and go for the throat or we can realize we don't know who to use our pitchforks on and keep em locked up.
I don't like saying one player is stupid or this decision is wrong or -1 fan stephano because put simply we don't know the whole story. Even if we did know the whole story, its still rude to have hundreds of people telling you that your stupid. I've been in this situation before, and its no fun! I just hope people realize that posting on this forum DOES get read by both Stephano and both companies, Mil and Col and any slander directed at any of these parties will negatively affect them. Without all the information and even with it, lets promote e-sports not bash on one of our own. Company owners and pro-players are people too...
Best post of this thread, TYVM sir !
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On September 20 2011 05:59 TheOne85 wrote:
Lets support the professional players, not the people who breach a contract the instant they sign one. French law or not, this is ridiculous and any Team attempting to sign with stephano better ask for some type of collateral so he does not renege on the signing in the future.
For Sheth to come in here and act like we don't have any information here is ridiculous. We know he reneged on the contract, that is enough for everyone and should be embarrassing.
Yeah we have loads of information. A total of two different PR statements and some small pieces of text from Complexity management. That's enough to decide on what's what to me!
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On September 20 2011 05:41 jib60 wrote:
also FabledIntegral you would really like this part of french low when you buy a house and realize 3 days later that an airport or something is going to be build right next
Look into it before you buy the house. And you can still back out of the house when it's in escrow, which is usually MONTHS from the time you originally formally agree to sell/buy the house. So it's not really an issue, although you might lose your down payment. I'm not positive about this btw, but I think that's how it works.
On September 20 2011 05:49 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:37 FabledIntegral wrote:On September 20 2011 05:34 Agathon wrote:On September 20 2011 05:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
I really, really dislike French law after reading this. Why in the world should you be able to retract your decision on a contract? The signing should be the defining moment where you can't go back, all deliberation should be done prior to the signing. Just for 30 days. Still doesn't make sense to me. I personally believe if you sign something saying you will do something for someone and you're not in a state of duress, you have an obligation to fulfill the agreement. Whatever though, it's just something that jumped out to me as "different." This law was created to avoid some assholes to force fragile people (very old, mentaly low, psychologicaly injured, very young) signing some stupid contracts that fuck them. ATTENTION : What i just say his just to explain this law, nothing more.
Hmm. I see value in this regard, but I feel like there could be better ways to go around it.
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TheOne, did you know about French law with contracts? I surely didn't before this started up. That's a huge thing not to know much about. Perhaps maybe you don't know everything about this situation? The point isn't that we don't have any information, its that after one day and both sides not getting along initially there's no reason to come here and claim one team or the other is "ridiculous".
What if by tomorrow it turns out that there was a bunch of information we didn't know? I for one won't be "editing my post" to remove anything bad I said about one team or the other. As you've already edited your post, perhaps that won't bother you.
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On September 20 2011 06:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
TheOne, did you know about French law with contracts? I surely didn't before this started up. That's a huge thing not to know much about. Perhaps maybe you don't know everything about this situation? The point isn't that we don't have any information, its that after one day and both sides not getting along initially there's no reason to come here and claim one team or the other is "ridiculous".
What if by tomorrow it turns out that there was a bunch of information we didn't know? I for one won't be "editing my post" to remove anything bad I said about one team or the other. As you've already edited your post, perhaps that won't bother you.
Sheth you know Stephano plz help him I dont belive any of the teams is doing what best for Stephano atm. Give him some advise or something he must be under so much pressure ATM.
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On September 20 2011 05:50 iLYa. wrote:I'm french and i have read it, your answer don't relate to my question.
He was free, so they don't need to talk to M...
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Sheth you know Stephano plz help him I dont belive any of the teams is doing what best for Stephano atm. Give him some advise or something he must be under so much pressure ATM.
^this. Nothing else to say
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On September 20 2011 06:13 Lunas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
TheOne, did you know about French law with contracts? I surely didn't before this started up. That's a huge thing not to know much about. Perhaps maybe you don't know everything about this situation? The point isn't that we don't have any information, its that after one day and both sides not getting along initially there's no reason to come here and claim one team or the other is "ridiculous".
What if by tomorrow it turns out that there was a bunch of information we didn't know? I for one won't be "editing my post" to remove anything bad I said about one team or the other. As you've already edited your post, perhaps that won't bother you. Sheth you know Stephano plz help him I dont belive any of the teams is doing what best for Stephano atm. Give him some advise or something he must be under so much pressure ATM.
Yes, Stephano should join TL! Would be so nice
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On September 20 2011 06:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
TheOne, did you know about French law with contracts? I surely didn't before this started up. That's a huge thing not to know much about. Perhaps maybe you don't know everything about this situation? The point isn't that we don't have any information, its that after one day and both sides not getting along initially there's no reason to come here and claim one team or the other is "ridiculous".
What if by tomorrow it turns out that there was a bunch of information we didn't know? I for one won't be "editing my post" to remove anything bad I said about one team or the other. As you've already edited your post, perhaps that won't bother you.
I've edited my post to say what I had to say about your post that I had read after the fact, rather than adding onto the already large amount of pages here. Sure there could be some more information coming out, but unfortunately in this situation the amount of information already accessible is enough. 1. He did sign the contract. 2. He did renege. These points are all anyone really needs to conclude that Stephano is not to be trusted with a contract in any form. I don't believe I've said either team was ridiculous. This whole situation is, and its all at fault of someone who reneged on a contract. I'd really like to see the true reasoning behind it, without the fluff.
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Maybe CoL is in the wrong with French law, but there's still Stephano's moral and ethical obligation to carry out a contract he seemed to have a lot of time to think about.
From a legal standpoint, it seems CoL can't do very much but again, from a moral and ethical standpoint, Mill should compensate CoL or Stephano should fulfill something he signed on to, assuming CoL was really as proper as they claim they in terms of how they approached Stephano.
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Here is some information i found by someone at col that alot of people dont know about, it was in the comments below their statement on stephano breaking contract.
Everyone is assuming French law is on Millennium's side (and it may be) but don't jump to conclusions. This was a contractor contract, NOT an employment contract. The jurisdiction was Texas, USA and France has treaties that cover such international contracts. We are still investigating this, but people should not write off our situation just yet.
In addition, many spectators have doubted our willingness to follow through with legal proceedings (as I'm sure Millenium does). They need to study history more closely
http://www.gotfrag.com/css/story/37209/
Again, no decisions have been made but I don't think certain people involved with this situation are taking it seriously enough.
Apparently the contract was under the jurisdiction of texas law, i dont know exactly what this means but before i read this i heard a few people say that if the contract was under the jurisdiction of texas then it wouldnt matter about the french law.
Also after googling a bit i beleive the french law to break contract within 30 days is for employment contracts, and this contract was not an employment contract it was a contractors contract (lol wierd to say)
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On September 20 2011 05:59 TheOne85 wrote:
Lets support the professional players, not the people who breach a contract the instant they sign one. French law or not, this is ridiculous...
Are you suggesting we shun a player for following the law which applies to him because it's different from what we are used to?
On September 20 2011 06:26 TheOne85 wrote:
1. He did sign the contract. 2. He did renege. These points are all anyone really needs to conclude that Stephano is not to be trusted with a contract in any form.
No it's not. If what people are saying about French law is true, in that after signing it there's a grace period where you can pull out, then it changes it completely. You can't assume that your conception of a contract under the laws you're used to trumps any others, and thus they are automatically in the wrong.
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On September 20 2011 06:26 TheOne85 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
TheOne, did you know about French law with contracts? I surely didn't before this started up. That's a huge thing not to know much about. Perhaps maybe you don't know everything about this situation? The point isn't that we don't have any information, its that after one day and both sides not getting along initially there's no reason to come here and claim one team or the other is "ridiculous".
What if by tomorrow it turns out that there was a bunch of information we didn't know? I for one won't be "editing my post" to remove anything bad I said about one team or the other. As you've already edited your post, perhaps that won't bother you. I've edited my post to say what I had to say about your post that I had read after the fact, rather than adding onto the already large amount of pages here. Sure there could be some more information coming out, but unfortunately in this situation the amount of information already accessible is enough. 1. He did sign the contract. 2. He did renege. These points are all anyone really needs to conclude that Stephano is not to be trusted with a contract in any form. I don't believe I've said either team was ridiculous. This whole situation is, and its all at fault of someone who reneged on a contract. I'd really like to see the true reasoning behind it, without the fluff.
So the part where you say
"1. He did sign the contract. 2. He did renege. These points are all anyone really needs to conclude that Stephano is not to be trusted with a contract in any form."
Is just wrong. I'm not saying Stephano is in the right here, just you, someone who hasn't seen the contract, doesn't know anything about how either team works behind the scenes; are complaining about Stephano is painful. This sort of attitude that you know everything about what is happening and you dismiss Stephano as someone who should not be trusted with a contract is ridiculous.
Have you ever talked to Stephano or anyone involved at all? I'm sure plenty of people in this world have broken a contract. Not stayed for an entire lease period? Not wanted to stay at a gym despite having a contract? Obviously this isn't the same type of contract, but there are negatives for properly signed contracts. For the lease period, maybe you have to pay an extra month, for the gym as well. For this maybe hes willing to have legal action taken against him to get out of it. The point is, you don't know. You REALLY don't.
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Laws are great. But sometimes abusing the law as an excuse because two countries have "differences" isn't exactly lawful. Imagine a world without laws so that people are accountable for their own actions. This is simply what a lot of people are saying. Stephano should be accountable for his own decisions and he created this shit storm. He should be shunned unless he proves that staying with Mill is better than staying with CoL, or at least try and reveal the truth rather than hide behind whatever bullshit they've come up with thus far. And it is bullshit, teams don't announce players in the news just to be embarrassed that next day they announce it's been retracted...but not by them.
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On September 20 2011 06:37 Shemsu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:59 TheOne85 wrote:
Lets support the professional players, not the people who breach a contract the instant they sign one. French law or not, this is ridiculous... Are you suggesting we shun a player for following the law which applies to him because it's different from what we are used to? Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:26 TheOne85 wrote:
1. He did sign the contract. 2. He did renege. These points are all anyone really needs to conclude that Stephano is not to be trusted with a contract in any form. No it's not. If what people are saying about French law is true, in that after signing it there's a grace period where you can pull out, then it changes it completely. You can't assume that your conception of a contract under the laws you're used to trumps any others, and thus they are automatically in the wrong.
This ^
User was warned for this post
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Edit: Okay you know what, I give up on following "teams."
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On September 20 2011 05:33 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm just going to throw this out here because these sorts of situations are really stressful for everyone involved. As spectators in this event, we don't really know everything that is going on behind the scenes. We can grab our pitchforks, light em on fire and go for the throat or we can realize we don't know who to use our pitchforks on and keep em locked up.
I don't like saying one player is stupid or this decision is wrong or -1 fan stephano because put simply we don't know the whole story. Even if we did know the whole story, its still rude to have hundreds of people telling you that your stupid. I've been in this situation before, and its no fun! I just hope people realize that posting on this forum DOES get read by both Stephano and both companies, Mil and Col and any slander directed at any of these parties will negatively affect them. Without all the information and even with it, lets promote e-sports not bash on one of our own. Company owners and pro-players are people too...
LONG TEXT INC, there is 2 TL;DRs, one in mid and one at bottom, if you don't feel like reading all this shit.
I strongly agree to many of the points you make. A lot of times when internet mobs get created at a certain target, that might not be actually aimed right, because of lack of information.
The only thing I must disagree with is second last sentence. Where I think what you basically are saying is that we shouldn't speak bad of e-sport companies disregarding of what they are doing. That because we should promote e-sports and thus not bash e-sport companies that act wrong, because it might hurt them. Hurting them (my interpretation) as in possibly making they get less good sponsor deals, which can of course lead to less sponsored players.
Meanwhile this looks good in theory, for me that would be only a band aid fix. In the short run (by reducing e-sport company X's chance of getting sponsors by giving them bad PR when they did something bad, which is what I think you are against) we will obviously be reducing both the speed of e-sports entering mainstream, and the money flow into e-sports. That is obviously something bad. Though, in the long run, if companies doesn't get punished as hard when acting unproffesional, chances are the bad companies wont be weeded out, and that the unproffesionalism of some teams might undermine the credibility of the entire e-sports scene.
(TL;DR of above writings, I disagree with being all fluffy against e-sports companies undepending of what they are doing, which I kind of interpreted in Sheth's text. I might have interpreted wrong, or just interpreted far to deeply, if so I still think my point is valid, even if it's no longer a disagreement with what Sheth wrote.)
Also, as of this, I'd like to point out that I'm not actually pointing this "we shouldn't let unproffesional e-sport companies reign free" against any specific company in this drama incident. That as I throughly agree with Sheth's point that the view from a spectator point might be very invalid, at least in the early stages of the drama when all information might not be out yet.
For all I know this might be just another incident related to cultural/law diffrencies in different countries. A comment (IE none related to, as far as I know, complexity, just another of us fans) on Complexity's homepage says:
"Unfortunately, Stephano is well within his rights under French contract law here (French contract law always applies to contracts between French citizens and foreign companies, and a person can get out of any contract with no penalties within 30 days of signing it)."
So possibly, Stephano simply signed thinking that he would probably join, but that he still would have 30 days to think. Which might be the normal way when signing a contract in France. Or, some completely unrelated other unknown reason for this drama, either way, we don't know enough to have the full picture just yet.
So TL;DR number 2 (for the text between last TL;DR and this one): I just pointed out that I agree with Sheth that as a spectator, we don't know enough yet to bash any company (personally I want to know Stephano's point of view).
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On September 20 2011 06:59 Theovide wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:33 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm just going to throw this out here because these sorts of situations are really stressful for everyone involved. As spectators in this event, we don't really know everything that is going on behind the scenes. We can grab our pitchforks, light em on fire and go for the throat or we can realize we don't know who to use our pitchforks on and keep em locked up.
I don't like saying one player is stupid or this decision is wrong or -1 fan stephano because put simply we don't know the whole story. Even if we did know the whole story, its still rude to have hundreds of people telling you that your stupid. I've been in this situation before, and its no fun! I just hope people realize that posting on this forum DOES get read by both Stephano and both companies, Mil and Col and any slander directed at any of these parties will negatively affect them. Without all the information and even with it, lets promote e-sports not bash on one of our own. Company owners and pro-players are people too... LONG TEXT INC, there is 2 TL;DRs, one in mid and one at bottom, if you don't feel like reading all this shit. I strongly agree to many of the points you make. A lot of times when internet mobs get created at a certain target, that might not be actually aimed right, because of lack of information. The only thing I must disagree with is second last sentence. Where I think what you basically are saying is that we shouldn't speak bad of e-sport companies disregarding of what they are doing. That because we should promote e-sports and thus not bash e-sport companies that act wrong, because it might hurt them. Hurting them (my interpretation) as in possibly making they get less good sponsor deals, which can of course lead to less sponsored players. Meanwhile this looks good in theory, for me that would be only a band aid fix. In the short run (by reducing e-sport company X's chance of getting sponsors by giving them bad PR when they did something bad, which is what I think you are against) we will obviously be reducing both the speed of e-sports entering mainstream, and the money flow into e-sports. That is obviously something bad. Though, in the long run, if companies doesn't get punished as hard when acting unproffesional, chances are the bad companies wont be weeded out, and that the unproffesionalism of some teams might undermine the credibility of the entire e-sports scene. ( TL;DR of above writings, I disagree with being all fluffy against e-sports companies undepending of what they are doing, which I kind of interpreted in Sheth's text. I might have interpreted wrong, or just interpreted far to deeply, if so I still think my point is valid, even if it's no longer a disagreement with what Sheth wrote.) Also, as of this, I'd like to point out that I'm not actually pointing this "we shouldn't let unproffesional e-sport companies reign free" against any specific company in this drama incident. That as I throughly agree with Sheth's point that the view from a spectator point might be very invalid, at least in the early stages of the drama when all information might not be out yet. For all I know this might be just another incident related to cultural/law diffrencies in different countries. A comment (IE none related to, as far as I know, complexity, just another of us fans) on Complexity's homepage says: "Unfortunately, Stephano is well within his rights under French contract law here (French contract law always applies to contracts between French citizens and foreign companies, and a person can get out of any contract with no penalties within 30 days of signing it)." So possibly, Stephano simply signed thinking that he would probably join, but that he still would have 30 days to think. Which might be the normal way when signing a contract in France. Or, some completely unrelated other unknown reason for this drama, either way, we don't know enough to have the full picture just yet. So TL;DR number 2 (for the text between last TL;DR and this one): I just pointed out that I agree with Sheth that as a spectator, we don't know enough yet to bash any company (personally I want to know Stephano's point of view).
Please, please let the whole thing rest at that post until we actually know stuff
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the contract 'breach' is just a culture thing, in Japan ex-post alterations to contracts are common even in biggest businesses which deal with so much more money than a gaming team : )
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On September 20 2011 08:15 upreal wrote:
the contract 'breach' is just a culture thing, in Japan ex-post alterations to contracts are common even in biggest businesses which deal with so much more money than a gaming team : )
Silly comment. You need to list any precedent and the relevant pieces of legislation in both countries to say something like this with any authority.
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On September 20 2011 06:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Is just wrong. I'm not saying Stephano is in the right here, just you, someone who hasn't seen the contract, doesn't know anything about how either team works behind the scenes; are complaining about Stephano is painful. This sort of attitude that you know everything about what is happening and you dismiss Stephano as someone who should not be trusted with a contract is ridiculous.
Have you ever talked to Stephano or anyone involved at all? I'm sure plenty of people in this world have broken a contract. Not stayed for an entire lease period? Not wanted to stay at a gym despite having a contract? Obviously this isn't the same type of contract, but there are negatives for properly signed contracts. For the lease period, maybe you have to pay an extra month, for the gym as well. For this maybe hes willing to have legal action taken against him to get out of it. The point is, you don't know. You REALLY don't.
Sheth Col did say they have a signed contract with him and are considering legal action. Mil does not dispute Col's contract so we do know that.
I'm not sure how you compare a contract to play with a team to a contract for a gym. They are very different.
Given your history I'm sure you can provide some insights into what these team contract contain as far as non-compete clauses, recourse etc..
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On September 20 2011 08:35 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 08:15 upreal wrote:
the contract 'breach' is just a culture thing, in Japan ex-post alterations to contracts are common even in biggest businesses which deal with so much more money than a gaming team : ) Silly comment. You need to list any precedent and the relevant pieces of legislation in both countries to say something like this with any authority.
This is not a pleading. This is a forum.
Also, he was talking about culture, not law.
We need to know more about the situation. It's doubtful we will.
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Good luck stephano! I really hope this allows him to improve as a player.
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If Stephano ever goes to Korea, I'm getting him for my GSTL Fantasy team. Just saying, coL.MvP will have the sickest Zergs outside of IM.
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On September 20 2011 08:44 mechavoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Is just wrong. I'm not saying Stephano is in the right here, just you, someone who hasn't seen the contract, doesn't know anything about how either team works behind the scenes; are complaining about Stephano is painful. This sort of attitude that you know everything about what is happening and you dismiss Stephano as someone who should not be trusted with a contract is ridiculous.
Have you ever talked to Stephano or anyone involved at all? I'm sure plenty of people in this world have broken a contract. Not stayed for an entire lease period? Not wanted to stay at a gym despite having a contract? Obviously this isn't the same type of contract, but there are negatives for properly signed contracts. For the lease period, maybe you have to pay an extra month, for the gym as well. For this maybe hes willing to have legal action taken against him to get out of it. The point is, you don't know. You REALLY don't. Sheth Col did say they have a signed contract with him and are considering legal action. Mil does not dispute Col's contract so we do know that.I'm not sure how you compare a contract to play with a team to a contract for a gym. They are very different. Given your history I'm sure you can provide some insights into what these team contract contain as far as non-compete clauses, recourse etc..
Exactly what I had referred to in my post, thank you. I, as well as most everyone else in this thread know a bit about the situation from statements made by both parties involved, minus Stephano. He might really not care about the legal action, it still makes him a bad person to get into a contract with.
I know its a tough situation to be in, but I am not going to white-knight this player because hes learning decisions have consequence.
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Before Lewellis talked, Stephano has made a statement too. idk if he had his mind twisted by M† staff but he clearly said that he would stay with his actual team... hm M† I mean :p
We don't know all the stuff yet, so talking more about this is just verbiage :/
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Sick acquisition guys
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On September 20 2011 06:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:26 TheOne85 wrote:On September 20 2011 06:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
TheOne, did you know about French law with contracts? I surely didn't before this started up. That's a huge thing not to know much about. Perhaps maybe you don't know everything about this situation? The point isn't that we don't have any information, its that after one day and both sides not getting along initially there's no reason to come here and claim one team or the other is "ridiculous".
What if by tomorrow it turns out that there was a bunch of information we didn't know? I for one won't be "editing my post" to remove anything bad I said about one team or the other. As you've already edited your post, perhaps that won't bother you. I've edited my post to say what I had to say about your post that I had read after the fact, rather than adding onto the already large amount of pages here. Sure there could be some more information coming out, but unfortunately in this situation the amount of information already accessible is enough. 1. He did sign the contract. 2. He did renege. These points are all anyone really needs to conclude that Stephano is not to be trusted with a contract in any form. I don't believe I've said either team was ridiculous. This whole situation is, and its all at fault of someone who reneged on a contract. I'd really like to see the true reasoning behind it, without the fluff. So the part where you say "1. He did sign the contract. 2. He did renege. These points are all anyone really needs to conclude that Stephano is not to be trusted with a contract in any form." Is just wrong. I'm not saying Stephano is in the right here, just you, someone who hasn't seen the contract, doesn't know anything about how either team works behind the scenes; are complaining about Stephano is painful. This sort of attitude that you know everything about what is happening and you dismiss Stephano as someone who should not be trusted with a contract is ridiculous. Have you ever talked to Stephano or anyone involved at all? I'm sure plenty of people in this world have broken a contract. Not stayed for an entire lease period? Not wanted to stay at a gym despite having a contract? Obviously this isn't the same type of contract, but there are negatives for properly signed contracts. For the lease period, maybe you have to pay an extra month, for the gym as well. For this maybe hes willing to have legal action taken against him to get out of it. The point is, you don't know. You REALLY don't.
For Esports as an industry to grow things like this CANNOT happen.
I understand your point of view perfectly and don't think anyone should bash Stephano as a person but what he did here, with all the information we have, is in the wrong and should not be allowed to happen if we want Esports to have any legitimacy what so ever.
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I get why complexitys pissed.. This is bs from millenium
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On September 20 2011 06:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:26 TheOne85 wrote:On September 20 2011 06:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
TheOne, did you know about French law with contracts? I surely didn't before this started up. That's a huge thing not to know much about. Perhaps maybe you don't know everything about this situation? The point isn't that we don't have any information, its that after one day and both sides not getting along initially there's no reason to come here and claim one team or the other is "ridiculous".
What if by tomorrow it turns out that there was a bunch of information we didn't know? I for one won't be "editing my post" to remove anything bad I said about one team or the other. As you've already edited your post, perhaps that won't bother you. I've edited my post to say what I had to say about your post that I had read after the fact, rather than adding onto the already large amount of pages here. Sure there could be some more information coming out, but unfortunately in this situation the amount of information already accessible is enough. 1. He did sign the contract. 2. He did renege. These points are all anyone really needs to conclude that Stephano is not to be trusted with a contract in any form. I don't believe I've said either team was ridiculous. This whole situation is, and its all at fault of someone who reneged on a contract. I'd really like to see the true reasoning behind it, without the fluff. So the part where you say "1. He did sign the contract. 2. He did renege. These points are all anyone really needs to conclude that Stephano is not to be trusted with a contract in any form." Is just wrong. I'm not saying Stephano is in the right here, just you, someone who hasn't seen the contract, doesn't know anything about how either team works behind the scenes; are complaining about Stephano is painful. This sort of attitude that you know everything about what is happening and you dismiss Stephano as someone who should not be trusted with a contract is ridiculous. Have you ever talked to Stephano or anyone involved at all? I'm sure plenty of people in this world have broken a contract. Not stayed for an entire lease period? Not wanted to stay at a gym despite having a contract? Obviously this isn't the same type of contract, but there are negatives for properly signed contracts. For the lease period, maybe you have to pay an extra month, for the gym as well. For this maybe hes willing to have legal action taken against him to get out of it. The point is, you don't know. You REALLY don't.
according to the col statement, he did sign (knowing the contract conditions) and then afterward, he decided to stay with Millenium. Those two informations have been provided by both parties, I don't see why you said he was wrong in those two.
it is a huge difference between your "examples of contract" and employer's and contractual law's definition of contract.
either way, if he decided to stay in Millenium, he should be aware of the possible consequences and if col's contract is in effect, his decision to stay would be rebutted unless col asks for another remedies.
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Stephano is an extremely intelligent guy, this is something I would not expect from someone like him.
Me thinks there is a lot more to the story
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On September 20 2011 16:35 Dommk wrote:
Stephano is an extremely intelligent guy, this is something I would not expect from someone like him.
Me thinks there is a lot more to the story
He may be intelligent, but he is also very young, and young minds tend to be overeager.
Let's just wait and see if more facts will be released, and hopefully it will be solved soon, for the sake of CoL, Millenium and of course Stephano.
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On September 20 2011 06:54 Scrutinizer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:37 Shemsu wrote:On September 20 2011 05:59 TheOne85 wrote:
Lets support the professional players, not the people who breach a contract the instant they sign one. French law or not, this is ridiculous... Are you suggesting we shun a player for following the law which applies to him because it's different from what we are used to? On September 20 2011 06:26 TheOne85 wrote:
1. He did sign the contract. 2. He did renege. These points are all anyone really needs to conclude that Stephano is not to be trusted with a contract in any form. No it's not. If what people are saying about French law is true, in that after signing it there's a grace period where you can pull out, then it changes it completely. You can't assume that your conception of a contract under the laws you're used to trumps any others, and thus they are automatically in the wrong. This ^ User was warned for this post
I totally agree with this post (the one I quoted earlier by "this ^"), word by word.
It is quite logical and objective, doesn't get into ethical or subjective debates.
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On September 20 2011 16:35 Dommk wrote:
Stephano is an extremely intelligent guy, this is something I would not expect from someone like him.
Me thinks there is a lot more to the story
I agree. This is my speculation on the matter:
To me, what it looks like is Stephano willingly signed with Col, but then Millenium somehow managed to convince him to back out of it.
Isn't it strange that Stephano would change his mind so quickly, after weeks of negotiations that culminated in a contract? And people reported that he was happy about joining Col.
My question is this - what influence does Millenium have on Stephano, that they would have a long talk with him and make him say it was all a mistake on his part. Doesn't that sound like a completely one sided conclusion?
Even IF Stephano wants to stay with Millenium, the added part about joining Col being a mistake... sounds like something Millenium would have incentive to say, not specifically the player. Stephano would have no interest in saying "joining Col was a mistake." In fact, it's Millenium's statement which says that Stephano admitted to his mistake, but that Millenium was "gracious" enough to help him with his confusion.
I don't think Stephano is that naive, that he needs Millenium's "help," since Stephano must have been willing to join Col in the first place, for there to even be a bidding. This doesn't really add up. I think Millenium is the one that has beef with Col, and they're sneaking in accusations, but saying "Stephano realized his mistake." It sounds like a bitter, accusatory comment that I doubt Stephano would make.
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I wish some players or teams would give us some insight into the general outline of their contracts and if there are non-competes if there are options to terminate by either side, etc..
I know it is wishful thinking but it would be very informative.
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huge skill difference between one player of the team and the rest.
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I think whatever country the player is from, this kind of action should be reprimanded. This isn't about working for a company or an institution, it's a sports contract. If Beckham signs a contract with LA and decided he doesn't want to do it a day later, he's still contractually obligated to and therefore, unless he pays a penalty, he should do the job he signed for.
I understand french law is different, I understand this is a kid we're talking about, but it's just not behavior we should be promoting when it's already hard enough for teams to find sponsors and financial backing. Sponsors get spooked easily, this news about players breaking contracts with no penalty just isn't helping eSports as a whole and for that I think Millenium should pay a fine for the termination of the contract or Stephano should be banned of future major tournaments for a certain amount of time.
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Ugh, both have already been posted many a times, you had me intrigued for a bit....
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On September 21 2011 04:13 FabledIntegral wrote:Ugh, both have already been posted many a times, you had me intrigued for a bit....
oops, I had'nt seen sorry
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hopefully he didnt join coL when we can read some trash comments from the coL's fanbase or some american people
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On September 21 2011 00:16 Panthae wrote:
I think whatever country the player is from, this kind of action should be reprimanded. This isn't about working for a company or an institution, it's a sports contract. If Beckham signs a contract with LA and decided he doesn't want to do it a day later, he's still contractually obligated to and therefore, unless he pays a penalty, he should do the job he signed for.
I understand french law is different, I understand this is a kid we're talking about, but it's just not behavior we should be promoting when it's already hard enough for teams to find sponsors and financial backing. Sponsors get spooked easily, this news about players breaking contracts with no penalty just isn't helping eSports as a whole and for that I think Millenium should pay a fine for the termination of the contract or Stephano should be banned of future major tournaments for a certain amount of time.
if col really wants stephano, they should have make him a bigger offer...
Btw, im myself french, and before this story, i thought you had the sames rights in usa as we do here.
maybe you'r not the liberty country you think you are. xD
anyways, we probably need a universal law, but i guess its too difficult to agree with everyone ^^
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On September 21 2011 17:32 lightbetsoin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 00:16 Panthae wrote:
I think whatever country the player is from, this kind of action should be reprimanded. This isn't about working for a company or an institution, it's a sports contract. If Beckham signs a contract with LA and decided he doesn't want to do it a day later, he's still contractually obligated to and therefore, unless he pays a penalty, he should do the job he signed for.
I understand french law is different, I understand this is a kid we're talking about, but it's just not behavior we should be promoting when it's already hard enough for teams to find sponsors and financial backing. Sponsors get spooked easily, this news about players breaking contracts with no penalty just isn't helping eSports as a whole and for that I think Millenium should pay a fine for the termination of the contract or Stephano should be banned of future major tournaments for a certain amount of time. if col really wants stephano, they should have make him a bigger offer... Btw, im myself french, and before this story, i thought you had the sames rights in usa as we do here. maybe you'r not the liberty country you think you are. xD anyways, we probably need a universal law, but i guess its too difficult to agree with everyone ^^
well considering he signed im guessing it was big enough.
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On September 21 2011 17:32 lightbetsoin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 00:16 Panthae wrote:
I think whatever country the player is from, this kind of action should be reprimanded. This isn't about working for a company or an institution, it's a sports contract. If Beckham signs a contract with LA and decided he doesn't want to do it a day later, he's still contractually obligated to and therefore, unless he pays a penalty, he should do the job he signed for.
I understand french law is different, I understand this is a kid we're talking about, but it's just not behavior we should be promoting when it's already hard enough for teams to find sponsors and financial backing. Sponsors get spooked easily, this news about players breaking contracts with no penalty just isn't helping eSports as a whole and for that I think Millenium should pay a fine for the termination of the contract or Stephano should be banned of future major tournaments for a certain amount of time. if col really wants stephano, they should have make him a bigger offer... Btw, im myself french, and before this story, i thought you had the sames rights in usa as we do here. maybe you'r not the liberty country you think you are. xD anyways, we probably need a universal law, but i guess its too difficult to agree with everyone ^^
You can make better offers while two parties are trying to get a player to sign, not after a contract is signed.
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for many reasons I hope that Millenium will loose a player or at least loose a shitload of money. The way they acted about the whole situation, the complete nationalist view in the first place and then after all that drama acting the way they did is just plain stupid and should be punished. I hope col is doing everything they legally can
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Millenium is giving Stephano a bad reputation, both of the teams said that Stephano really agreed. And then few hours later he changed? That would give him a bad reputation of not being loyal to the contracts he signed. This is just rubbish, I don't like players not being loyal to their contract.
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All the drama that keeps going on...
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On September 21 2011 17:41 Tofugrinder wrote:
for many reasons I hope that Millenium will loose a player or at least loose a shitload of money. The way they acted about the whole situation, the complete nationalist view in the first place and then after all that drama acting the way they did is just plain stupid and should be punished. I hope col is doing everything they legally can
There so evil trying to develop E-sport in their country -_-
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sick
User was warned for this post
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
I hope they have a bright future together~~
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I DONT KNOW WHATS GOING ON WITH THIS NECRO BUT I WANT TO BE A PART OF IT.
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Everyone wishes it was 2011 again for some reason.
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Canada16217 Posts
On August 12 2014 06:49 Dodgin wrote:
sick
what a necro
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I bet one day he'll join EG.
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On August 12 2014 06:54 Starecat wrote:
How Slayers are doing?
Slayers will win proleague next season. Last season was just a fluke.
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On August 12 2014 06:49 Dodgin wrote:
sick
Damn you had me going too. I didn't know Stephano was a member of CoL a few years ago.
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On August 12 2014 06:56 Popkiller wrote:
why, Dodgin?
History lesson, see post above.
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Temp ban for Dodgin pls
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EPT
