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Shadow_Dog
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada427 Posts
September 19 2011 19:58 GMT
#661
Isn't this the same as EG signing PuMa?
AmOrow
Profile Joined January 2011
France11 Posts
September 19 2011 20:09 GMT
#662
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !

User was warned for this post
jib60
Profile Joined September 2011
France9 Posts
September 19 2011 20:16 GMT
#663
I know a little french law ( I study law ) and according to LLewellys (Millenium sc2 manager) the contract that stephano has signed doesnt respect the French law at all. And for a french player who's playing in the french territory the contract has to be signed in accordance with French law. Also one of the base of french contract law is the principle of retraction wich allow any player that signed a contract to change his mind. I don't know a lot about american but in this we clearly have to apply french law, (check the "Code civil" article 3)
Moreover LLewellys say that CoL didn't negociate with Millenium and only talk with stephano at 5 AM which is not very fair, you may admit it...
Dandy_Moustachu
Profile Joined July 2010
France422 Posts
September 19 2011 20:18 GMT
#664
On September 20 2011 05:16 jib60 wrote:
I know a little french law ( I study law ) and according to LLewellys (Millenium sc2 manager) the contract that stephano has signed doesnt respect the French law at all. And for a french player who's playing in the french territory the contract has to be signed in accordance with French law. Also one of the base of french contract law is the principle of retraction wich allow any player that signed a contract to change his mind. I don't know a lot about american but in this we clearly have to apply french law, (check the "Code civil" article 3)
Moreover LLewellys say that CoL didn't negociate with Millenium and only talk with stephano at 5 AM which is not very fair, you may admit it...


In the end, both Millenium and Col will say that they are the good guy, and the other one are the bad guy. And as we never know everything, haters gonna hates
Pif Paf Pouf
IMSmooth
Profile Joined May 2011
United States679 Posts
September 19 2011 20:19 GMT
#665
A contract of this magnitude deserves to go to a much more mature individual. Get another emerging EU talent that wouldn't take such a chance for granted.
"Get your shit done... THEN party" - NonY
zolii
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland141 Posts
September 19 2011 20:21 GMT
#666
On September 20 2011 05:09 AmOrow wrote:
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !

User was warned for this post


User was warned for this post because it is true??
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
September 19 2011 20:22 GMT
#667
On September 20 2011 05:21 zolii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:09 AmOrow wrote:
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !

User was warned for this post


User was warned for this post because it is true??


Calling someone a dumbass is objectively true? No.
zolii
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland141 Posts
September 19 2011 20:24 GMT
#668
On September 20 2011 05:22 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:21 zolii wrote:
On September 20 2011 05:09 AmOrow wrote:
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !

User was warned for this post


User was warned for this post because it is true??


Calling someone a dumbass is objectively true? No.


So signing a contract with one team and then signing one with a different team is objectively not dumb ?
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
September 19 2011 20:25 GMT
#669
On September 20 2011 05:24 zolii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:22 karpo wrote:
On September 20 2011 05:21 zolii wrote:
On September 20 2011 05:09 AmOrow wrote:
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !

User was warned for this post


User was warned for this post because it is true??


Calling someone a dumbass is objectively true? No.


So signing a contract with one team and then signing one with a different team is objectively not dumb ?


Making a dumb decision is not the same as being a dumbass...
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
September 19 2011 20:25 GMT
#670
On September 20 2011 05:21 zolii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:09 AmOrow wrote:
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !

User was warned for this post


User was warned for this post because it is true??


Because insulting players or casters or teams is forbidden right here

"i think Stephano made the bigger mistake" is much better
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 19 2011 20:26 GMT
#671
I really, really dislike French law after reading this. Why in the world should you be able to retract your decision on a contract? The signing should be the defining moment where you can't go back, all deliberation should be done prior to the signing.
zolii
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland141 Posts
September 19 2011 20:26 GMT
#672
On September 20 2011 05:25 Agathon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:21 zolii wrote:
On September 20 2011 05:09 AmOrow wrote:
Stephano is a dumbass, all french people who know him on warcraft 3 know that...
People never change !

User was warned for this post


User was warned for this post because it is true??


Because insulting players or casters or teams is forbidden right here

"i think Stephano made the bigger mistake" is much better


Sounds resonable ;]
AmOrow
Profile Joined January 2011
France11 Posts
September 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#673
I know the man since warcraft 3. I mean I say that not only for this moove but for all thing this guy do in the past
You may like how he play (I say he is a good Zerg) but the man is like what I say previously...

And I like the Mille's answer "We have one of the best budget in the world", and they don't keep Tod ?? Hilarious !!

Potiron
Profile Joined September 2011
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 20:34:40
September 19 2011 20:30 GMT
#674
On September 20 2011 05:19 IMSmooth wrote:
A contract of this magnitude deserves to go to a much more mature individual. Get another emerging EU talent that wouldn't take such a chance for granted.


Who said that the offer of coL was better than the Millenium offer???!!! Even more, why accept an offer that isn't even acceptable in France?!


On September 20 2011 05:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
I really, really dislike French law after reading this. Why in the world should you be able to retract your decision on a contract? The signing should be the defining moment where you can't go back, all deliberation should be done prior to the signing.


You can accept an offer, and didn't see one of the term. So what do you do, be "owned" for all the lenght of the contract?
jib60
Profile Joined September 2011
France9 Posts
September 19 2011 20:31 GMT
#675
Because you have an amrican conception of justice, US law is also shocking for a lot of french, for exemple the fact that us law can make you guilty and send you to jail like a criminal even if no judge stated you're guilty (ifyouseewhatImean...)
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
September 19 2011 20:33 GMT
#676
I'm just going to throw this out here because these sorts of situations are really stressful for everyone involved. As spectators in this event, we don't really know everything that is going on behind the scenes. We can grab our pitchforks, light em on fire and go for the throat or we can realize we don't know who to use our pitchforks on and keep em locked up.

I don't like saying one player is stupid or this decision is wrong or -1 fan stephano because put simply we don't know the whole story. Even if we did know the whole story, its still rude to have hundreds of people telling you that your stupid. I've been in this situation before, and its no fun! I just hope people realize that posting on this forum DOES get read by both Stephano and both companies, Mil and Col and any slander directed at any of these parties will negatively affect them. Without all the information and even with it, lets promote e-sports not bash on one of our own. Company owners and pro-players are people too...
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
September 19 2011 20:34 GMT
#677
On September 20 2011 05:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
I really, really dislike French law after reading this. Why in the world should you be able to retract your decision on a contract? The signing should be the defining moment where you can't go back, all deliberation should be done prior to the signing.


Just for 30 days.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
September 19 2011 20:37 GMT
#678
On September 20 2011 05:33 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm just going to throw this out here because these sorts of situations are really stressful for everyone involved. As spectators in this event, we don't really know everything that is going on behind the scenes. We can grab our pitchforks, light em on fire and go for the throat or we can realize we don't know who to use our pitchforks on and keep em locked up.

I don't like saying one player is stupid or this decision is wrong or -1 fan stephano because put simply we don't know the whole story. Even if we did know the whole story, its still rude to have hundreds of people telling you that your stupid. I've been in this situation before, and its no fun! I just hope people realize that posting on this forum DOES get read by both Stephano and both companies, Mil and Col and any slander directed at any of these parties will negatively affect them. Without all the information and even with it, lets promote e-sports not bash on one of our own. Company owners and pro-players are people too...


Here is the truth. Calm and Wise. Thank you Sheth.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 19 2011 20:37 GMT
#679
On September 20 2011 05:34 Agathon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
I really, really dislike French law after reading this. Why in the world should you be able to retract your decision on a contract? The signing should be the defining moment where you can't go back, all deliberation should be done prior to the signing.


Just for 30 days.


Still doesn't make sense to me. I personally believe if you sign something saying you will do something for someone and you're not in a state of duress, you have an obligation to fulfill the agreement.

Whatever though, it's just something that jumped out to me as "different."
jib60
Profile Joined September 2011
France9 Posts
September 19 2011 20:39 GMT
#680
in fact the question of the retraction isn't even the problem, a contract for a french player on the french territory as to be made according to french law.
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