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On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great.
I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to.
Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case).
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On September 20 2011 03:07 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:02 mki wrote:
Usually the organization states which country the contract is in. If not it's a poorly written contract. I'd imagine coL uses United States (California) law. At most, coL could force Stephano to be arrested in the US for whatever law there is. In Europe, he is virtually untouchable because the french law applies to all french citizen and inhabitants and it's above everything else except the EU Court and the EU parlament.
You can rest assured that no professional gaming organization with corporate sponsors and a supremely large fanbase will ever arrest a player. That is corporate suicide; no player wants to be strong-armed - it's the companies that will be fighting over legal work. The player is whom they are fighting over, so he should not be harmed.
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On September 20 2011 03:02 SoKHo wrote:
Stephano needs to make up his mind and go with it. Imagine HuK saying, "nahhh, I'll just stay with Liquid, nevermind guys!" after signing his EG contract. SC players => good decision makers. Come onnn stephano
Well its not the same, in huk case EG asked TL permission first. Here we got 2 different teams trying to sign Stephano at the same time
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This is really bad, i see no way how this can turn out well.
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In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :
either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)
And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.
Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known .
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On September 20 2011 03:09 Polynice wrote:
In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :
either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)
And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.
Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known .
I'm pretty sure we are definitely in American law because Complexity is American.
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On September 20 2011 02:58 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:56 Emporio wrote:
Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done? Don't turn this into an American vs France war, it's gonna end badly.
Probably with a French white flag waving as per usual...
Please no ban hammer 
User was temp banned for this post.
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On September 20 2011 03:08 hrvoje07 wrote:
jesus, can you ppl stop saying he is under 18, his birthday is not correct in TLPD
Then post a source which says how old he is.
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This is dumb.. player agreements need to start taking place with the player, the new team, and the old team before they break news and sign players
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Stephano is most likely the most talented player right now. only hopes that wherever he ends up he will be supported 100% sending him too Korea. and so on
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On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.
I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.
However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great. I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to. Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case).
I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-)
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On September 20 2011 03:11 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 02:58 Otolia wrote:On September 20 2011 02:56 Emporio wrote:
Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done? Don't turn this into an American vs France war, it's gonna end badly. Probably with a French white flag waving as per usual... Please no ban hammer
Mentioning that you will or will not get banned for something is cause for a ban
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ESPORTS DRAMA LLAMA LEVEL 5 ALERT! EVERYONE GET READY FOR THE THREAD TO JUMP 40 PAGES!
Oh god this is so fun! 
No really I'm awaiting a official release before I fly off on a (probably inaccurate anyway) conclusion about Stephano Millennium and coL
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Wherever Stephano ends up, I am extremely unhappy with Millenium. Their statement kinda implies they poached Stephano, a now signed Complexity player, with out talking to Complexity at all. Extremely unprofessional from Mill and I won't be cheering for any of their players anymore because of it.
Sorry Moman :[
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On September 20 2011 03:10 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:09 Polynice wrote:
In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :
either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)
And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.
Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known . I'm pretty sure we are definitely in American law because Complexity is American.
I think Mill will have STeph in the end, maybe (and a big MAYBE) CoL get some compensation or w/e the correct legal term is.
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On September 20 2011 03:12 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:11 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:On September 20 2011 02:58 Otolia wrote:On September 20 2011 02:56 Emporio wrote:
Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done? Don't turn this into an American vs France war, it's gonna end badly. Probably with a French white flag waving as per usual... Please no ban hammer Mentioning that you will or will not get banned for something is cause for a ban
Lol oops, ninja'd
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On September 20 2011 03:10 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:09 Polynice wrote:
In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :
either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)
And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.
Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known . I'm pretty sure we are definitely in American law because Complexity is American.
No, that's the problem. Stephano is still in France. You follow the law of the country where you live. In an American court, coL would probably be right. However in a french one, it remains to be seen. I hope coL did make his contract valid with the french laws otherwise it is null.
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