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DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
September 19 2011 18:09 GMT
#581
On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.

I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.

However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great.

I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to.

Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case).
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
September 19 2011 18:09 GMT
#582
On September 20 2011 03:07 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:02 mki wrote:
Usually the organization states which country the contract is in. If not it's a poorly written contract. I'd imagine coL uses United States (California) law.

At most, coL could force Stephano to be arrested in the US for whatever law there is. In Europe, he is virtually untouchable because the french law applies to all french citizen and inhabitants and it's above everything else except the EU Court and the EU parlament.


You can rest assured that no professional gaming organization with corporate sponsors and a supremely large fanbase will ever arrest a player. That is corporate suicide; no player wants to be strong-armed - it's the companies that will be fighting over legal work. The player is whom they are fighting over, so he should not be harmed.
C r u m b l i n g
Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
September 19 2011 18:09 GMT
#583
On September 20 2011 03:02 SoKHo wrote:
Stephano needs to make up his mind and go with it. Imagine HuK saying, "nahhh, I'll just stay with Liquid, nevermind guys!" after signing his EG contract. SC players => good decision makers. Come onnn stephano


Well its not the same, in huk case EG asked TL permission first. Here we got 2 different teams trying to sign Stephano at the same time
Bandino
Profile Joined August 2010
United States342 Posts
September 19 2011 18:09 GMT
#584
This is really bad, i see no way how this can turn out well.
Polynice
Profile Joined September 2011
France7 Posts
September 19 2011 18:09 GMT
#585
In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :

either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)

And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.

Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known .
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
September 19 2011 18:10 GMT
#586
On September 20 2011 03:09 Polynice wrote:
In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :

either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)

And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.

Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known .

I'm pretty sure we are definitely in American law because Complexity is American.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 03:01:54
September 19 2011 18:11 GMT
#587
On September 20 2011 02:58 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 02:56 Emporio wrote:
Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done?

Don't turn this into an American vs France war, it's gonna end badly.


Probably with a French white flag waving as per usual...


Please no ban hammer


User was temp banned for this post.
Hello friends:)
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
September 19 2011 18:11 GMT
#588
On September 20 2011 03:08 hrvoje07 wrote:
jesus, can you ppl stop saying he is under 18, his birthday is not correct in TLPD


Then post a source which says how old he is.
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
September 19 2011 18:12 GMT
#589
This is dumb.. player agreements need to start taking place with the player, the new team, and the old team before they break news and sign players
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
Noxblood
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway374 Posts
September 19 2011 18:12 GMT
#590
Stephano is most likely the most talented player right now. only hopes that wherever he ends up he will be supported 100% sending him too Korea. and so on
Life isn't hard, we just suck at it.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 19 2011 18:12 GMT
#591
On September 20 2011 03:09 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:05 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Not taking any side here, but I think backing off from a contract within 14 days even without explanation is valid and even if it would not be the case, the best thing coL could probably do is just accept the wishes of Stephano and let him stay at Millenium because the last thing you want is 'forcing' a player to your team if he doesn't actually want it.

I could understand that they want him to keep his word and stay to what he signed, but in my opinion it would be better to accept that he changed his mind and let him stay at M.

However it goes, glhf. Both teams are great.

I sincerely doubt Complexity has any intention of forcing a player to play for them. They certainly didn't force Destiny to.

Legal action on their part will probably seek some form of compensation for a broken contract with complexity. And they should be justified in seeking it if Stephano/Mill are in fact breaking a contract with them (which appears to be the case).


I didn't say they will, I said they shouldn't ;-)! I was not saying they are planning to. In my opinion they should not take any action at all as a gesture of goodwill. Kind of like Sony repairing your TV if it breaks 1 day after the warranty expires etc. :-)
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Thegathering
Profile Joined February 2011
France8 Posts
September 19 2011 18:12 GMT
#592
On September 20 2011 03:11 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:08 hrvoje07 wrote:
jesus, can you ppl stop saying he is under 18, his birthday is not correct in TLPD


Then post a source which says how old he is.


http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/fiche-joueur-sc2-stephano-50104

"12 Mars 1993"
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 19 2011 18:12 GMT
#593
On September 20 2011 03:11 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 02:58 Otolia wrote:
On September 20 2011 02:56 Emporio wrote:
Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done?

Don't turn this into an American vs France war, it's gonna end badly.


Probably with a French white flag waving as per usual...

Please no ban hammer


Mentioning that you will or will not get banned for something is cause for a ban
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
September 19 2011 18:13 GMT
#594
ESPORTS DRAMA LLAMA LEVEL 5 ALERT! EVERYONE GET READY FOR THE THREAD TO JUMP 40 PAGES!

Oh god this is so fun!



No really I'm awaiting a official release before I fly off on a (probably inaccurate anyway) conclusion about Stephano Millennium and coL
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
BrodiaQ
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States892 Posts
September 19 2011 18:13 GMT
#595
Wherever Stephano ends up, I am extremely unhappy with Millenium. Their statement kinda implies they poached Stephano, a now signed Complexity player, with out talking to Complexity at all. Extremely unprofessional from Mill and I won't be cheering for any of their players anymore because of it.


Sorry Moman :[
"So come right up and let me squash your creativity with my iron fist of conservative play."--Nony
R3N
Profile Joined March 2011
740 Posts
September 19 2011 18:13 GMT
#596
On September 20 2011 03:10 Emporio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:09 Polynice wrote:
In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :

either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)

And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.

Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known .

I'm pretty sure we are definitely in American law because Complexity is American.


I think Mill will have STeph in the end, maybe (and a big MAYBE) CoL get some compensation or w/e the correct legal term is.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
September 19 2011 18:13 GMT
#597
On September 20 2011 03:11 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:08 hrvoje07 wrote:
jesus, can you ppl stop saying he is under 18, his birthday is not correct in TLPD


Then post a source which says how old he is.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263182&currentpage=11#210
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
September 19 2011 18:14 GMT
#598
On September 20 2011 03:12 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:11 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
On September 20 2011 02:58 Otolia wrote:
On September 20 2011 02:56 Emporio wrote:
Wait this sounds stupid. So French contracts allow either side to renegade on the deal for no reason with no consequence? How does anything ever get done?

Don't turn this into an American vs France war, it's gonna end badly.


Probably with a French white flag waving as per usual...

Please no ban hammer


Mentioning that you will or will not get banned for something is cause for a ban


Lol oops, ninja'd
Hello friends:)
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
September 19 2011 18:15 GMT
#599
On September 20 2011 03:10 Emporio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:09 Polynice wrote:
In this case we are definitely in french law because stephano is french.
There is several possibilities in french law i think :

either one can consider that the time passed in Mill without a contract signed was a pre-contract, so that complexity can't argue to have a contact signed because there was this one before, but can turn back against stephano .
either the nature of the contract signed whith complexity is marked by a default which can null the contract ( there is a lot : not enough compensation in the terms of the contract, no true consentement if complexity lied, get wrong in the contract or used violence , etc)

And we must not forget that the Mill's contract has a form of a professional player contract which can also influe in the resolving of the case.

Sorry for reading my bad english i just tried to express the points that made the Mill's contract available,most of this post is probably wrong since there is a lot of details that are not known .

I'm pretty sure we are definitely in American law because Complexity is American.

No, that's the problem. Stephano is still in France. You follow the law of the country where you live. In an American court, coL would probably be right. However in a french one, it remains to be seen. I hope coL did make his contract valid with the french laws otherwise it is null.
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
September 19 2011 18:15 GMT
#600
On September 20 2011 03:12 Thegathering wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:11 Zocat wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:08 hrvoje07 wrote:
jesus, can you ppl stop saying he is under 18, his birthday is not correct in TLPD


Then post a source which says how old he is.


http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/fiche-joueur-sc2-stephano-50104

"12 Mars 1993"


On September 20 2011 03:13 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 03:11 Zocat wrote:
On September 20 2011 03:08 hrvoje07 wrote:
jesus, can you ppl stop saying he is under 18, his birthday is not correct in TLPD


Then post a source which says how old he is.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263182&currentpage=11#210


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