EPTwhy nerf?buff the weak,not nerf the strong.
Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 435
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49496 Posts
why nerf?buff the weak,not nerf the strong. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:08 EmilA wrote: The question is whether or not he should he should intentionally link an old graph that doesn't show that the graphs have greatly evened out. Additionally, Blizzard has access to way more stats than any of us do, so for the fucking love of god, please don't think Blizzard is completely clueless. Every god damn interview we've seen has shown that they know what is going on, so have some faith, please. Reading this bullshit whine every god damn page makes me cringe, this thread is lower quality than official forums ._. How come there are so many terrans in GSL if they are so aware of the problems? Why doesn't Protoss have so many good professional players? Because they are all stupid and Terran players are a lot smarter? And by the way, knowing you have a problem is the first step to getting it fix, but it definitely doesn't provide a fix by it self. So they may be aware of the game flaws but fixing them is what they can't do right. | ||
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:06 lorgoth wrote: Omg its base on 2200 games.. and lower graphs on 800 and 500 games so dont think that u can base on this scores. It's based on all pro games played in that month in major tournaments, so yes, it has alot of relevance. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
Well it looks like Terran is OP by this :D Also it looks protoss is ahead of Zerg (except for last entry which means nothing, as you can see, zerg was on the bottom for 4 months in a row so I see no reason to buff toss after one bad month). | ||
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UnholyRai
720 Posts
will balance the infestor and ghost problems protoss have. | ||
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cbueno
Ireland76 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:08 EmilA wrote: The question is whether or not he should he should intentionally link an old graph that doesn't show that the graphs have greatly evened out. Additionally, Blizzard has access to way more stats than any of us do, so for the fucking love of god, please don't think Blizzard is completely clueless. Every god damn interview we've seen has shown that they know what is going on, so have some faith, please. Reading this bullshit whine every god damn page makes me cringe, this thread is lower quality than official forums ._. lol This is two months behind. But here is how to blow you out of the water.... blizzard is completelly clueless! And here is why... Do you think they nerf and buffing the same units during the last 1 year or so is a sign of someone that knows what they are doing? The answer is simple.. NO Blizzard has changed the face of this game sooooo much...It a BIG sign that they not only dont know much about this game but more in the lines that has no clue about it! If they changes were small then you can perhaps say this but most of the changes are soooo drastic.....This is real proof that they are clueless | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:08 EmilA wrote: The question is whether or not he should he should intentionally link an old graph that doesn't show that the graphs have greatly evened out. Additionally, Blizzard has access to way more stats than any of us do, so for the fucking love of god, please don't think Blizzard is completely clueless. Every god damn interview we've seen has shown that they know what is going on, so have some faith, please. Reading this bullshit whine every god damn page makes me cringe, this thread is lower quality than official forums ._. There is no new graph which can be used. The linked graph is the Korean only July graph. There is no Korean only Aug graph (since not enough games). Only an international graph is available for Aug and the July graph didnt show the low P winrate as the Korean Jul graph shows. So please dont intentionally make up stuff like that the graphs have evened out.  | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:23 cbueno wrote: lol This is two months behind. But here is how to blow you out of the water.... blizzard is completelly clueless! And here is why... Do you think they nerf and buffing the same units during the last 1 year or so is a sign of someone that knows what they are doing? The answer is simple.. NO Blizzard has changed the face of this game sooooo much...It a BIG sign that they not only dont know much about this game but more in the lines that has no clue about it! If they changes were small then you can perhaps say this but most of the changes are soooo drastic.....This is real proof that they are clueless Come on, are you really telling me bunkers are not so OP then need to be nerfed directly and indirectly in each patch? | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:16 Firesilver wrote: It's based on all pro games played in that month in major tournaments, so yes, it has alot of relevance. It shows Zerg has having the highest win % of all races in October 2010. Very indicative of balance... | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:05 ceaRshaf wrote: I completely agree. There are so many complaints about the game that it proves there is something wrong. In BW a thread like this would have been closed a long time ago. Wrong with the community - yes i agree on that. Its because of Blizzards open approach to balance which has led to the community feeling entitiled to having an opinion on everything and that if they scream loud enough, their own race will get buffed or other races nerfed. In BW people realized that it was pointless to cry about balance since Blizzard had no community involvement and the only thing that could effect balance from the community was different maps. | ||
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cbueno
Ireland76 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:25 -Archangel- wrote: Come on, are you really telling me bunkers are not so OP then need to be nerfed directly and indirectly in each patch? is this a troll? This is an indication that Blizz does not have a clue what is doing...... | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
Thats just how it is. | ||
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cbueno
Ireland76 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:28 Senx wrote: Wrong with the community - yes i agree on that. Its because of Blizzards open approach to balance which has led to the community feeling entitiled to having an opinion on everything and that if they scream loud enough, their own race will get buffed or other races nerfed. In BW people realized that it was pointless to cry about balance since Blizzard had no community involvement and the only thing that could effect balance from the community was different maps. i think you are the person thats wrong here....blizzard did not took much notice on boards back them... the only time they did was was to close it or ban or posting updates. And yes a thread like this would have been closed long ago...i fully agree.. The community always existed, just that they were not payed much attention to. Blizz buff and nerfed as it suited them not as players said... | ||
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Protosnake
France295 Posts
Wrong with the community - yes i agree on that. Its because of Blizzards open approach to balance which has led to the community feeling entitiled to having an opinion on everything and that if they scream loud enough, their own race will get buffed or other races nerfed. In BW people realized that it was pointless to cry about balance since Blizzard had no community involvement and the only thing that could effect balance from the community was different maps. BW was a 10 year long expansion. It was much more balanced than Wol. Also, you're implying that the community is just "whining" because they want blizz to buff their race, that's complete nonsense. When first patch note of 1.4 were released the majority agreed that the patch was fair, realistic and going in the right direction, Then Neural change appear, and huge septicism appear. It has nothing to do with cry, it's just that people think blizzard is making a very bad decision | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:43 cbueno wrote: i think you are the person thats wrong here....blizzard did not took much notice on boards back them... the only time they did was was to close it or ban or posting updates. And yes a thread like this would have been closed long ago...i fully agree.. The community always existed, just that they were not payed much attention to. Blizz buff and nerfed as it suited them not as players said... Your english makes it really hard to understand what you mean. But if you're suggesting Blizzard hasn't balanced SC2 heavily from community feedback from beta day 1 you're seriously ignorant. | ||
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cbueno
Ireland76 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:49 Senx wrote: Your english makes it really hard to understand what you mean. But if you're suggesting Blizzard hasn't balanced SC2 heavily from community feedback from beta day 1 you're seriously ignorant. yeah we went from an all wining unbalanced Toss in beta to an all wining unbalanced Terran after release. if thats a balance then i can also call my dog a cat.... yes there has been changes a bug fixes....but come on....its obvious Blizz dont know what they are doing... | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:47 Protosnake wrote: BW was a 10 year long expansion. It was much more balanced than Wol. Also, you're implying that the community is just "whining" because they want blizz to buff their race, that's complete nonsense. When first patch note of 1.4 were released the majority agreed that the patch was fair, realistic and going in the right direction, Then Neural change appear, and huge septicism appear. It has nothing to do with cry, it's just that people think blizzard is making a very bad decision I disagree, the majority of the patch note threads from the beta up until this day consists of people crying about their race getting nerfed or that the opposite races are getting buffed and how they're supposed to deal with X thing. Being objective about something you're heavily involved in is harder than you think, and it has shown throughout SC2s beta and release. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:52 cbueno wrote: yeah we went from an all wining unbalanced Toss in beta to an all wining unbalanced Terran after release. if thats a balance then i can also call my dog a cat.... Thats not even what I said, why are you putting words in my mouth? I didn't say they achieved a balance, I said they're balancing the game partly from community feedback. | ||
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cbueno
Ireland76 Posts
On September 16 2011 21:54 Senx wrote: Thats not even what I said, why are you putting words in my mouth? I didn't say they achieved a balance, I said they're balancing the game partly from community feedback. yes but Blizz after a year, after very distinct and dramatic changes in multiple patches, Blizz still dont know what they are doing, my original point. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
I still think Zerg needs a buff against mech, though MAYBE the BFH nerf is enough ... idk, I think a health nerf to the hellion would have been much more appropriate than a damage nerf. | ||
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