EPTOn September 16 2011 02:48 Havefa1th wrote:
I just have a hard time taking anyone who says that "Infestors deserve to be nerfed because they're good against everything" seriously. Look at Zerg units! There's almost no synergy between any of the units, besides Infestor-BL, and that's the reason why it's so effective. If you looked at BW days, there was a great synergy between lurker/ling and defiler/ultra/ling, and that's why it was so effective in a variety of matchups. Zerg doesn't really have that, except for one build that finds itself into every non-mirror matchup, because it's the only one that works super late game.
I remember the days when Protoss were crushing PvZ and every thread in the Strategy section was how to beat the deathball. Before Infestors came into style, the general consensus was to kill the Protoss before they got to that stage. That's outright admitting that Protoss had a superior mid and late game army.... yet no one was crying for nerfs at that point.
The Zerg got creative... players took units that horrible (previously) efficiency against mostly armored P units in banelings and dropped them on the "deathball". Does anyone else see how fucking creative that is? Then there's the whole metagame of the mutalisk that Nestea and friends are throwing around, even though there are a ton of P units that counter the mutalisk... The ZvP metagame has changed so much from the beginning that they've earned the right to be successful in this matchup.
There hasn't been any similar breakthroughs in PvZ. Instead of finding a way to beat infestors through player skill (I don't know, try spreading your HT. I heard fungal doesn't work all that great with they can't fungal everything in one hit) and exploiting timings, like Zerg has been doing, Protoss players have suddenly seen the matchup flip into something they can't beat by 1a-ing and think this patch is well deserved, instead of taking the time to figure out how to beat it without a nerf.
Ok, maybe that's a bit harsh, but that's how I see it. PvZ hasn't seen any huge developments, where ZvP has seen advancements from your usual Roach-Hydra-Corruptor, with and without Infestors. It's sad to see all that advancement be shoved back to the Corruptor, which only Zerg players know how much it really sucks.
I just have a hard time taking anyone who says that "Infestors deserve to be nerfed because they're good against everything" seriously. Look at Zerg units! There's almost no synergy between any of the units, besides Infestor-BL, and that's the reason why it's so effective. If you looked at BW days, there was a great synergy between lurker/ling and defiler/ultra/ling, and that's why it was so effective in a variety of matchups. Zerg doesn't really have that, except for one build that finds itself into every non-mirror matchup, because it's the only one that works super late game.
I remember the days when Protoss were crushing PvZ and every thread in the Strategy section was how to beat the deathball. Before Infestors came into style, the general consensus was to kill the Protoss before they got to that stage. That's outright admitting that Protoss had a superior mid and late game army.... yet no one was crying for nerfs at that point.
The Zerg got creative... players took units that horrible (previously) efficiency against mostly armored P units in banelings and dropped them on the "deathball". Does anyone else see how fucking creative that is? Then there's the whole metagame of the mutalisk that Nestea and friends are throwing around, even though there are a ton of P units that counter the mutalisk... The ZvP metagame has changed so much from the beginning that they've earned the right to be successful in this matchup.
There hasn't been any similar breakthroughs in PvZ. Instead of finding a way to beat infestors through player skill (I don't know, try spreading your HT. I heard fungal doesn't work all that great with they can't fungal everything in one hit) and exploiting timings, like Zerg has been doing, Protoss players have suddenly seen the matchup flip into something they can't beat by 1a-ing and think this patch is well deserved, instead of taking the time to figure out how to beat it without a nerf.
Ok, maybe that's a bit harsh, but that's how I see it. PvZ hasn't seen any huge developments, where ZvP has seen advancements from your usual Roach-Hydra-Corruptor, with and without Infestors. It's sad to see all that advancement be shoved back to the Corruptor, which only Zerg players know how much it really sucks.
Its funny how all that zerg "advancement" in the metagame happened right after infestors got buffed, right? Coincidence I guess...
