EPTFirst time they said 30 (+40% vs armored), so it was 42 vs armored units.
Now it's 40 damage vs armored units (like ~+33% vs armored)
Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 345
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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
First time they said 30 (+40% vs armored), so it was 42 vs armored units. Now it's 40 damage vs armored units (like ~+33% vs armored) | ||
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Shousan
Mexico92 Posts
If this comes through, I'd love to see a decrease in energy cost (maybe 75), since you're not stealing any crazy expensive units anyway... otherwise I'd just rather fungal all day than researching NP and dropping my infestors energy to zero. | ||
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StarCraft64
United States354 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:15 EdSlyB wrote: Actually in the last balance patch the Immortal received the 'Massive Unit' designation. False. You're probably thinking of the Archon. Immortals are still just armored and mechanical. | ||
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Resistentialism
Canada688 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:15 EdSlyB wrote: Actually in the last balance patch the Immortal received the 'Massive Unit' designation. Nope, you're thinking archons. | ||
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atavus
France60 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:18 RyanRushia wrote: as a protoss player, i must say that this newest change regarding neural parasite will be extremely difficult for zerg players, i feel like it's one that certainly wont make it into the real game, and if it does won't be retained long. without neural parasite, it cuts down on a huge anti-colossus unit, would be real tough to deal with colossus pushes Counter to colossi is Corrupters. Don't talk about choice Infester have become an all-in tool in every match up, this is definitively not normal. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:18 Existor wrote: They're nerfed Fungal Growth more -_- First time they said 30 (+40% vs armored), so it was 42 vs armored units. Now it's 40 damage vs armored units (like ~+33% vs armored) they never said +40% vs armored, it always said +40 vs armored i think they didnt change anything | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:09 ReignFayth wrote: didn't think the KA change would go through either.... somehow it did and the results werent even heavily protoss favored back then, the stats are nowhere near as bad as zvp is KA + Warp in mechanic is pretty obnoxious but NP is no where near as obnoxious. The results werent heavily protoss favored back then because relevant protoss players didn't abuse the KA style. Look at SanZeniths games. The only reason he was relevant was because of KA. Also the stats were protoss favored during that time in PvT, even a 2% increase in win% is a large margin so i don't see how that matters. The reason that there is a huge disparity in ZvP is not because of NP, it is because of Fungal Growth not allowing anything to move while affect. I'm pretty sure any protoss would take a -1/2 damage on storm if it rooted. | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
This is just baffling, I don't even need to get outraged because its such a stupid change it will never go through. | ||
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ShrimpDance
392 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:18 Existor wrote: They're nerfed Fungal Growth more -_- First time they said 30 (+40% vs armored), so it was 42 vs armored units. Now it's 40 damage vs armored units (like ~+33% vs armored) Please learn to read before you propagate false information. It was never +40% to armored units. it was 40 to armored units. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:18 RyanRushia wrote: as a protoss player, i must say that this newest change regarding neural parasite will be extremely difficult for zerg players, i feel like it's one that certainly wont make it into the real game, and if it does won't be retained long. without neural parasite, it cuts down on a huge anti-colossus unit, would be real tough to deal with colossus pushes This is true but at the same time the Zerg race is winning vs P a lot and its not Neural parasite that wins it most of the time (in televised matches). So this might provide Protoss with an option it didnt have and we can see how the game evolves around it. If it clearly is really stupid it will be reverted. Until then I like that bliz is willing to experiment slightly. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:57 Treble557 wrote: Why do people keep suggesting that? Baneling drops only work on protoss below masters who don't know how to spread their units when the overlords show up. There's nothing effective about that style against a toss player with good micro. There's a reason it was abandoned for the more infestor centered styles, which had consistency to them in the ability to guarentee you'll kill ATLEAST more then 15 of the toss's supply in exchange for your entire army, even if you don't win the battle. It's really not fun to sit there and just macro for 14 minutes only to get on 5 bases and be rolled by a deathball because your units aren't on par with theirs no matter what comp you use. and attempting to remax results in you getting blown away AGAIN because you kill next to nothing of theirs in the initial trade. Not good strats, not fun gameplay, bad for SC2 overall. Toss need to suck it up and learn how to scout just like terran and zerg have to, and change of their strats every now and then (and no I don't mean crappy cheese that doesn't work) in order to win. or do toss players feel they should be above that? Oh i guess huk/white-ra were below masters level since i've seen them lose to baneling drops quite often. Did not know that. Baneling drops are still very effective as a strategy. You make it sound like its 6 pool or something retarded..... | ||
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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:23 atavus wrote: Counter to colossi is Corrupters. Don't talk about choice Infester have become an all-in tool in every match up, this is definitively not normal. Neural works better if protoss suck and don't know how to focus fire infestors. But yes, I think this is a good change for ZvP, keep zerg reactionary and force corruptors vs collosus. This change on the other hand is going to RUIN ZvT. As if mech isnt strong enough, now T can go pure thor and do a timing before BL are complete and demolish zerg. Horrid change, zerg now need a new unit that counters thor which doesn't require T3, or give ultras back a lot of splash so they can deal with clumped thors easier. | ||
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PantsB
United States77 Posts
I've actually seen this happen I believe, and I wasn't positive if it was a bug since technically the broodling is the one attacking. I don't think its ever cost me a game (either there was plenty of brolords and I was screwed or I just ran away from those ones specifically) but interesting. | ||
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Lomak
United States311 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:06 Rorschach wrote: Because of the backbone of WG with the protoss race the amulet nerf changed the way HT/storms work a lot.... Please don't talk about things you know nothing about. We're not talking about HOW the KA change affected Toss. I didn't even speak to that so anything you are reading into from my post is just assumptions your making. My point was to clarify that the changes to Neural parasite are NOTHING LIKE the KA change. | ||
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Eko200
United States101 Posts
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Treble557
United States221 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:25 sekritzzz wrote: Oh i guess huk/white-ra were below masters level since i've seen them lose to baneling drops quite often. Did not know that. Baneling drops are still very effective as a strategy. You make it sound like its 6 pool or something retarded..... Yeah, before they learned how the strat works. Now whenever they see a baneling nest, they run every worker/stalker as soon as they see an OL. Even when OL's are empty in games where toss don't even see banelings, they run EVERYTHING when they see OL's! Why? Because they know how to hard counter the strat now. The game you're talking about are fairly old ones, or off days for the two. | ||
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Silky
United States260 Posts
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:24 MrCon wrote: That's exactly the reason that zergs should not complain about infestors being useless after the patch. It's bad design yeah, because they could just remove the spell or buff another angle of it. But after that you say that the nerf is "breaking the game", so I don't know what to think anymore. The point is that something can be integral to the balance of the game without being OP. Infestors might have been OP, people called them OP... because of infested terrans and chain fungals. Nobody ever complained about NP because it wasn't OP. NP is however, necessary to have a chance against mass collo play. On September 10 2011 04:26 Theeakoz wrote: LOL nobody every complained about amulet before it got REMOVED from the game... careful what you wish for. Actually terran complained about warpin storms a whole bunch before it got removed.... | ||
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
Ultralisk build time is only 55 seconds | ||
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mFour
United States25 Posts
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