• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:07
CET 20:07
KST 04:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool43Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2)
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
mca64Launcher - New Version with StarCraft: Remast BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion Soulkey's decision to leave C9 JaeDong's form before ASL
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group B 2026 Changsha Offline Cup [ASL21] Ro24 Group A ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1697 users

Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 254

Forum Index > Closed
9040 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 252 253 254 255 256 453 Next
Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne

There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 03:31:28
September 09 2011 03:30 GMT
#5061
I think this is exactly what I thought!

Colli is the ONLY counter to infestor. You have to go colli -> temps. Temps to collis is smashed by roach infestor. Now, Colli stalker sentry zeal is a comp which can counter or at least deal w/ infestor roach!
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
September 09 2011 03:31 GMT
#5062
that mean zerg go way back in his meta game. We'll see roach/hydra back in ZvP
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
Code
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada634 Posts
September 09 2011 03:31 GMT
#5063
hmm if you cant neural parasite collosus the deathball just became terrifying again.

Not sure how Z can counter them. I find corruptors to be slow and terrible.

I was just starting to enjoy the stargate play where phoenix lift off to "break" the neural and then snipe the infestors.



-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
September 09 2011 03:34 GMT
#5064
By the way, if liqupedia is up to date these are the toss massive units

Archon
Colossus
Carrier
Mothership


So, now mothership can be used against zerg late game! And it might make infestor / bl armies something which can be countered!
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
September 09 2011 03:34 GMT
#5065
I expect we'll still see ling/infestor, but zergs will probably add another unit or two into the mix, probably corrupters or ultralisks with the new reduced build time. Maybe it'll just be mass roach/infestor.

Fungal will still destroy most of the deathball, once the gateway units are gone, the colossi is worthless.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
September 09 2011 03:34 GMT
#5066
uh interesting change but i doubt it will go through. there's nothing to neural parasite now. i think if they think it's Op they should change it's range or something.
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
September 09 2011 03:35 GMT
#5067
On September 09 2011 12:24 Empirimancer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 12:09 Treble557 wrote:
Patch notes have been updated. Here's some of the updates.

- Fixed an issue where Broodlords on the high ground would not be revealed when attacking enemy units on the low ground.

- Infestor’s Neural Parasite can no longer target Massive units.

- Custom maps with dependencies containing trigger libraries will now load significantly faster in the editor.

Thoughts? Lulz? Etc? :<


*edit*

Link to updated notes
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1213111662



What... the... hell? That's completely insane. If I were a Zerg player I'd switch races or just quit playing this game. That this change is even being considered shows the balance team don't have a clue what they're doing.



Why the hell would Blizz Nerf Neural. As if thats gonna make Carriers Viable. They should just make it unable to touch air units.
ⱩŦ ƑⱠẬ$Ħ / ƩǤ ɈƩẬƉØƝǤ [ɌȻ] / ȊṂ.ṂṼⱣ / ẬȻƩɌ.ȊƝƝØṼẬŦȊØƝ / ẬȻƩɌ.ϟȻẬɌⱠƩŦŦ ϟⱠẬɎƩɌϟ ȻⱠẬƝ
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 03:37:29
September 09 2011 03:35 GMT
#5068
I'm Protoss but I'm pretty surprised by the NP change. Honestly I'd much rather see a change to fungal or infested terran, those are the more problematic ones. I mean infestors are definitely too versatile and powerful in each role, but that was one thing I thought they should be able to do.

Edit: I don't think this will do what people are saying though and switch it to roach/hydra/corruptor, more likely ling/roach/infestor/corruptor or greater use of baneling bombs.
They're fools. You should eat them.
Djeez
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
543 Posts
September 09 2011 03:35 GMT
#5069
Infestors needed a nerf. One of the 3 abilities needed a nerf, NP takes the hit.

But hey, infestors are still fuckaweseome.
''Watching steppes of war in the gsl would be like watching the dreamhack 1.6 finals start out on fy_iceworld. '' -red_b
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 09 2011 03:35 GMT
#5070
On September 09 2011 12:34 -_- wrote:
By the way, if liqupedia is up to date these are the toss massive units

Archon
Colossus
Carrier
Mothership


So, now mothership can be used against zerg late game! And it might make infestor / bl armies something which can be countered!


tbh it was near impossible to neural a mothership anyway if the protoss was paying attention at all.... Normally if you can tech to mothership you should have templar anyway lol. I mean lol its good that protoss now has an even easier counter to infestors I guess but neuraling a mothership was impossible as it was due to cloaked units under and protoss just has to focus the infestor if it somehow gets it off :D.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
September 09 2011 03:36 GMT
#5071
I have a question:

When a building is canceled or salvaged the minerals returned will be displayed at the building location for the owner, for enemy players a floating text will be displayed.

Does that mean if I scout my opponent (let's say Protoss) and I see "-150 minerals -100 gas" floating above a location, I can assume he cancelled a twilight council, for example?
Luck makes talent look like genius.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
September 09 2011 03:36 GMT
#5072
Well if the NP change goes through it is def. time to switch races, or quit this game all together, I would feel bad roasting Zerg players with mass colossi.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 09 2011 03:36 GMT
#5073
whatwhatwhat. So dumb. That's a huge nerf to trying to fight hellion/thor as Zerg.
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
September 09 2011 03:37 GMT
#5074
On September 09 2011 12:34 Whitewing wrote:
I expect we'll still see ling/infestor, but zergs will probably add another unit or two into the mix, probably corrupters or ultralisks with the new reduced build time. Maybe it'll just be mass roach/infestor.

Fungal will still destroy most of the deathball, once the gateway units are gone, the colossi is worthless.

The thing what make this build strong is the number of infestor you can have if you only make ling. If you build corruptor or Ultra (lol?) you want be able to have enought infestor to make it good. With the FG nerf, the infestor dps wont be fast enought now
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 09 2011 03:38 GMT
#5075
On September 09 2011 12:36 Ero-Sennin wrote:
I have a question:

When a building is canceled or salvaged the minerals returned will be displayed at the building location for the owner, for enemy players a floating text will be displayed.

Does that mean if I scout my opponent (let's say Protoss) and I see "-150 minerals -100 gas" floating above a location, I can assume he cancelled a twilight council, for example?


I believe so yes. I kind of have to wonder why blizzard is adding this, I mean I could see for maybe just bunkers but for all units seems kind of silly to me tbh. But at least when I cancel a building I know how much I lose :D
When I think of something else, something will go here
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
September 09 2011 03:38 GMT
#5076
The NP nerf is utterly ridiculous. Just remove the upgrade
Snickersnee
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States241 Posts
September 09 2011 03:38 GMT
#5077
well NP is never going to be used again
Had an idea that combines the intimate moment of delivering babies with Crazy Taxi last night. Can emotional arcade style gaming work?
hunter3
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States155 Posts
September 09 2011 03:38 GMT
#5078
Updated 9/8/11 at 7:00 PM PDT
StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty - Patch 1.4.0

-Infestor’s Neural Parasite can no longer target Massive units.

-Custom maps with dependencies containing trigger libraries will now load significantly faster in the editor.

-Fixed an issue where at the end of a replay the leaving player’s Average APM would set to 0.

-Fixed an issue where Bunkers would not display their refunded minerals to the owner or allies when they are salvaged.

-Fixed an issue where Broodlords on the high ground would not be revealed when attacking enemy units on the low ground.

-Fixed an issue where closing the editor while the previewer is recording would crash the Editor.



Blizzard is hard at work; this patch is massive and keeps getting bigger. I don't think the NP will be as bad as it sounds; it makes Infestors become more focused, and Infested Terran and Fungal Growth remain as potent as ever. It just gives everyone additional ways to counter mass Infestors, and overall, the number of high-level strategies increase.
LoveXPn
Profile Joined September 2010
United States74 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 03:38:53
September 09 2011 03:38 GMT
#5079
NP only has 2 Viable options Immortal and Siege Tank for any race matchup. It's a complete waste of a spell now. If it Goes Through.
Xequecal
Profile Joined October 2010
United States473 Posts
September 09 2011 03:38 GMT
#5080
On September 09 2011 12:27 Mjolnir wrote:

Honestly... god forbid they give people time to figure it out, or god forbid people actually... you know... FOCUS THE FUCKING INFESTORS.


Focus the infestors.....with what? Your colossi that just got parasited? Your templar? Nope, feedback and NP have same range, you can't stop NP from going off. Void rays? Zerg can easily make enough infestor to mass parasite all of those, too. You going to move your stalkers forward into their roach ball to shoot them down? They'll get annihilated in five seconds.

This change is fine and needed vs. Protoss. The real problem is Zerg needs NP against Thors.....what the hell can you do against thor/hellion now? It beats literally everything.
Prev 1 252 253 254 255 256 453 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 53m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 431
elazer 326
UpATreeSC 24
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15906
Calm 3607
Shuttle 910
Bisu 851
Mini 400
ggaemo 187
firebathero 182
Dewaltoss 150
EffOrt 146
actioN 105
[ Show more ]
Mind 57
IntoTheRainbow 19
soO 7
Dota 2
Gorgc7281
Counter-Strike
byalli1088
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu122
MindelVK13
Other Games
Grubby2480
FrodaN1206
singsing1196
Beastyqt776
ceh9619
B2W.Neo133
C9.Mang0115
Hui .103
QueenE89
Trikslyr62
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream32
StarCraft 2
angryscii 20
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 2
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 30
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1550
• WagamamaTV457
League of Legends
• Nemesis3571
Other Games
• imaqtpie934
• Shiphtur251
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
4h 53m
Replay Cast
13h 53m
Afreeca Starleague
14h 53m
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
15h 53m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
KCM Race Survival
1d 13h
The PondCast
1d 14h
WardiTV Team League
1d 16h
OSC
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Team League
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
3 days
Platinum Heroes Events
3 days
BSL
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
4 days
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
OSC
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-23
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.