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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On August 27 2011 21:01 NeonFox wrote: Does this mean that when dropping banelings into a mineral line they will target probes instead of going for the cannons if present? Unlikely, it'll probably just make them like normal units wrt targetting priority. | ||
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Kjeks
Norway47 Posts
On August 27 2011 20:53 DusTerr wrote: yeah, I have NEVER seen Z use burrowed banelings vs T. + Show Spoiler + actually, I've seen it completely destroy and prevent an early tank/marine push and force the terran to scan every time they try to move their army. Those burrowed banelings are really bad at attacking your base, so you don`t need to quickly build a raven too survive, you can delay moving out untill you`ve got detection. If you had read the whole discussion first, and not just pulled one of my sentences out of context, you would have known that my post was about why overseers buildtime is shorter than observers and ravens. | ||
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Shade_FR
France378 Posts
On August 27 2011 21:01 NeonFox wrote: Does this mean that when dropping banelings into a mineral line they will target probes instead of going for the cannons if present? If probes are attacking : yes If probes aren't attacking : I guess (I could be wrong) they will attack the only hostile attacker available : the cannons. If they are probes attacking + cannon attacking, then banelings will kill the probes. | ||
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ki11z0ne
United States427 Posts
On August 25 2011 10:18 neobowman wrote: This sounds like an amazing patch. Even as a Zerg player, I'd prefer Fungal being changed from freeze to slow though, and keeping the damage. Warpprisms sound great. And again, as a Zerg player, I think 5 for blue flame is too little. Maybe 7. Seeker missles are great. I have a feeling Blizz is listening to State of the Game  .Immortal and Mothership changes sound awesome while still keeping the game fine. Blink too. Even the Bnet changes are sick! i think if it 7 it would do take the same amount of shots to kill workers so your idea would really not do much.... | ||
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Bjoernzor
Sweden159 Posts
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springtree
74 Posts
On August 27 2011 21:00 ToxicFlu wrote: I'm sure Blizzard calculated which units kill. But forgot that 4 well placed EMPs can reduce your army to 50%. Psionic storm can't do that. Most MMM will just stim away, Toss has no way of out running a terran onced EMPs have fallen. They're not unforgivably retarded. A standard stat brief for a game wouldn't just say that 10 marauders killed 50 stalkers. It would include that there was a game in which the terran player made 12 ghosts and 10 marauders, used EMP X times consuming a total of Y shields and Z energy. It'd be as likely that Blizz forgot about protoss having shields as it would be that Blizz forgot about Protoss as a race. And on a general note, just wow. Some people in this thread are breaking records at replying without reading what they're replying to. Depressing. edit: I don't actually think Blizz has, or cares about, stats for individual games. The above would more likely be in a more statistical form across all games in a category. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On August 27 2011 21:20 ki11z0ne wrote: i think if it 7 it would do take the same amount of shots to kill workers so your idea would really not do much.... They should make hells be 75minerals now. Make Vikings in ground mode benefit from mech upgrades. That would make me so happy. | ||
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jackiie
Germany3 Posts
in general the balances seem ok. but i cant understand the blink delay and the rax +5 build timing... | ||
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bole
Serbia164 Posts
 as toss.. | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
Yay. | ||
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
On August 27 2011 10:07 tdt wrote: I nhave been playing on PTR and notice no change in VR spread when attacking a building. Maybe it only works for banshees and mutas, figures. I use mass VR in every PvZ so I'm pretty familiar how I get beat, failing to magic box and clumping. Seems exactly the same as before. I've done a few tests comparing with mutas, and I'm not 100% certain but it seems that when attacking lower hitpoint things like pylons and stalkers the effect is noticeable but not dramatic. Attacking big buildings will not show any big difference though. Either way, I still say AOE should be good against air... and fungal should just not freeze/root air units. I wish air units stacked more or AOE was bigger for all anti air AOE options. SC2 should force more micro, not less!!!! | ||
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FreeRobotFrost
16 Posts
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Fatze
Germany1342 Posts
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
On August 28 2011 00:49 Ryder. wrote: I think it's funny how terrans are complaining about blue flame and saying stuff like 'hellions should cost 75 minerals' or 'blue flame research should cost less'. Cause, you know, when voidray speed upgrade was removed as compensation void rays were buffed? Or when amulet was removed, HTs/storm was buffed? I bet if toss had been saying that these units should have received a counter-buff Terrans would be laughing their socks off... i believe the voidray was buffed, at least the damage was changed in a way that i think was beneficial, apart from that lowering the cost of the blueflameupgrade would really be the only thing that would make sense to me, because its 50% less worth now. | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2594 Posts
On August 27 2011 22:57 bole wrote: hey ppl is 1-1-1 nerfed ? in 1.4 ?..... if its not i think it should simply its to hard to stop.. as toss..I don't know how you'd expect 1-1-1 to be nerfed directly. Like, if you move out with mech, bio and air units all together before the 11 minute mark, five of your units explode at random? The 5 second barracks build time change is a nerf to all Terran builds, and the Immortal range buff will help toss deal with tanks better. Other than that, I don't know if any of the patch fixes have any real impact on the 1-1-1. Which is good - I hate the 1-1-1 push at the moment, but I would hate for Blizzard to come along and change the rules of the game based on the build of the week. Toss will figure out a good response, the metagame will shift, we'll all look back and laugh at how we thought the 1-1-1 was impossible to hold. Or it will turn out after a while that there really isn't a solution (which I doubt) and the game will be patched accordingly. | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
On August 28 2011 01:12 AmericanUmlaut wrote: I don't know how you'd expect 1-1-1 to be nerfed directly. Like, if you move out with mech, bio and air units all together before the 11 minute mark, five of your units explode at random? The 5 second barracks build time change is a nerf to all Terran builds, and the Immortal range buff will help toss deal with tanks better. Other than that, I don't know if any of the patch fixes have any real impact on the 1-1-1. Which is good - I hate the 1-1-1 push at the moment, but I would hate for Blizzard to come along and change the rules of the game based on the build of the week. Toss will figure out a good response, the metagame will shift, we'll all look back and laugh at how we thought the 1-1-1 was impossible to hold. Or it will turn out after a while that there really isn't a solution (which I doubt) and the game will be patched accordingly. tank splash damage has been nerfed because GS now works on it. All of this together should nullify the 1-1-1 | ||
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Griffith`
714 Posts
On August 28 2011 01:15 radiantshadow92 wrote: tank splash damage has been nerfed because GS now works on it. All of this together should nullify the 1-1-1 Pretty much this, Hellions are horrible against zealots now. Tanks are horrible against guardian shield (the damage reduction is actually HUGE) 8.75 lowest radii splash -> 6.75, an effective 23% decrease in damage PER UNIT. 17.5->15.5 in the second radii. In addition, Immortals now have increased range. R.I.P. Mech Its just this patch does NOTHING to help Terrans ungodly awful late game. Sigh | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On August 28 2011 01:22 Griffith` wrote: Pretty much this, Hellions are horrible against zealots now. Tanks are horrible against guardian shield (the damage reduction is actually HUGE) 8.75 lowest radii splash -> 6.75, an effective 23% decrease in damage. In addition, Immortals now have increased range. R.I.P. Mech It's true and so sad. Why does blizzard hate mech so hard? The hellion nerf affects only zealots. They will still roster probes / scv's / drones. This blueflame hellion nerf is just a hard terran mech nerf. I guess bio is the only thing we will see in the future. Poor goody... | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
On August 27 2011 23:28 sjschmidt93 wrote: Well the one thing that makes PvP fun -- the blink stalker -- is now useless as shit. Yay. The blink stalker isnt useless..you just can't use it for extreme rushes. Immortals arent that much better, you know. | ||
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