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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On August 25 2011 10:42 HolyArrow wrote: Can anyone comment on the ramp vision range nerf? Not sure how significant that is off the top of my head. this would mainly affect pvps, where blinking forward into the main to negate a ff on the ramp is common. it'll be harder to do that now... | ||
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Geiko
France1942 Posts
Issuing new orders to charging zealots will cause them to lose the charge buff. Does this mean that if you spam a click, the zealots will stop charging ? Technically, you're giving them a new order every 0.5 seconds when you spam click right ? | ||
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XXXSmOke
United States1333 Posts
IMO though, a few more nerfs to T's abuseable units followed by a few more buffs to T's late game units should really help this game get more balanced as the game goes past 3 base. Making it more fun to watch/play. I hope ultras get used more now, its just to epic fighting them it is so much fun, and it saddens me at how bad they are at their current state. I think a size reduction combined with this change would be perfect. | ||
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gurrpp
United States437 Posts
On August 25 2011 10:38 PhoenixDark wrote: I'm a Zerg player who hates Hellions and even I kind of feel this nerf might be too much, dunno. As a random player, I still think hellions are going to be used quite often. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they still do 19 damage to workers with blue flame (as opposed to 24 pre patch). The main thing is it takes 3 shots to kill a worker, but considering most bfh drops are 4, they will still be deadly. | ||
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Datum
United States371 Posts
On August 25 2011 10:14 awu25 wrote: General Unit vision up ramps has been reduced by 1. PROTOSS Immortal Attack range increased from 5 to 6. Mothership Acceleration increased from 0.3 to 1.375. The Mothership’s Cloaking Field no longer cloaks all units instantaneously, but rather adds units to the cloak field over time (maximum of 25 per second). This should alleviate “Mothership Lag” issue when a Mothership comes online. Stalker Blink research time increased from 110 to 140. Warp Prism Shields increased from 40 to 100. TERRAN Barracks Build time increased from 60 to 65. Hellion Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5. Woah! Looks like some sick buffs for protoss. The immortal range buff will help tremendously against roaches with attack upgrade, and hopefully against terran also. I'm not sure what matchup the blink time nerf was geared towards, but could it have something to do with the 7-gate + BS timing attack against zerg? I don't see the mothership upgrade doing much, because the mammaship is still a huge investment and risk, but hopefully we'll see a lot more warp prism usage now. Also, I like the increased barracks build time, but the hellion nerf seems a bit over the top to me. I really liked the shift in the meta-game, and I had thought that players would eventually adapt to powerful hellions. Maybe a damage upgrade decrease from 10 to 7 or 8 would have been better? | ||
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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
Unit vision up ramps has been reduced by 1. = makes it really hard to 4gate now seeing as having a zealot beneath a ff wont give u vision of the high ground which makes it impossible to warp units into ur oppos base, the only way to 4gate now would be to have your 3rd pylon beneath your opponents ramp so u can have ur first warpin inside his base Immortal Attack range increased from 5 to 6. = blizz's way of trying to fix the 1/1/1 issue but i dont think itll do anything Mothership Acceleration increased from 0.3 to 1.375. = love the change(and im sure other mothership users will aswell, motherships used to lag behind ur army if u did alot of stop n go movements becuase of their shitty acceleration), dont really understand the cloaking field change.. basically its gonna take 25 seconds for your units to gain cloak from your mothership right? dont like the change if thats the case because if ur mothership were to be neuraled and then u were to gain control of it again in the middle of a battle ur units wouldnt be cloaked Stalker Blink research time increased from 110 to 140. = ok, will make 1base blink opener weaker but wont change anything in the lategame(or even in a 2base blink allin) Warp Prism Shields increased from 40 to 100. = ok, will increase wp harass.. gotta see how this plays out ____ Barracks Build time increased from 60 to 65 = ? Hellion Infernal Pre-Igniter damage upgrade decreased from 10 to 5. = HUUUUUGE change love it love it love it, makes hellions 3 shot workers now, well done blizzard Raven Seeker missile movement speed increased from 2.5 to 2.953. = ok ____ Infestor Fungal Growth damage changed from 36 (+30% armored) to 30 (40 vs Armored). = ? infestors will still be a problem, neural is wat they should be focusing on, infestors shouldnt be able to neural massive units Overseer Morph cost decreased from 50/100 to 50/50. Contaminate energy cost increased from 75 to 125. = ok Ultralisk Build time decreased from 70 to 55. = ok | ||
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PoopLord
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saulus
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hasuterrans
United States614 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On August 25 2011 10:43 Raiznhell wrote: If Mech wasn't useless before this patch now Mech will literally be unplayable at all vs P. I'm already lost as far as Bio TvP against Master league players and now my better mech strategies are gunna be terrible. Not to mention I'm pretty sure TvT is gunna become a lot of marine tank concave fights again instead of this new and cool Mech vs Mech stuff we see which saddens me. The game just started to kick into intense mode with the hellion play and then immediately cut short. you still 3 shot marines with igniter, this just makes hellion drops and hellion vs hellion slightly less retarded. i don't think mech tvt will change. | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
Lets see, the mothership change. The unit needed a change being underused but blizzard admitted numerous times that they aren't sure the unit should really be in the game as it was designed to be the thing the average joe gets to feel powerful but thats difficult to do without making it overrun top level play.... maybe we'll see more of it and maybe some cool stuff as it feels like a gimmick. Warp prisim +100 shield *cringing at this* because I've seen some of the warp drops with FF on ramps, now its gonna be harder to pick them off with queens but I suppose us Zerg's will have to figure out something for it. Immortals, this unit probably needed some more reworking, because the origional role was to be a damage sponge and giving it an extra +1 range is kinda changing its role from a damage sponge going in front to a heavy assault stalker... meh wait and see. Glad on the helion change, those mineral assults are some what broken. Cheap and usually pay for themselves many times over. Overseer contaminate energy change? hmm not sure how I feel about this, I liked to use this spell I suppose I will make an overseer now on lair sooner therefore the extra time might balance out without being abused... hmmm interesting. | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On August 25 2011 10:46 darmousseh wrote: That's actually a huge change. Can't just set and forget drops now. It really reduces the effectiveness of terran multidrops. isn't this a nerf? if the zealots charge, and then you a-move them again (i sometimes a-move my army multiple times in succession even though there's no point) then they lose charge? hmm, should test this. | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On August 25 2011 10:46 Whitewing wrote: To be fair, the nerf to blue flame hellions isn't that big, they can still clear your mineral line in a matter of seconds, it just takes them another shot to do it. It helps, but it's certainly not the end of blue flame hellions, they're still nasty. Err thats huge. If it takes another shot to kill something (up from 2), that is a 50% damage reduction. | ||
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Battousai13
United States638 Posts
I wonder if anyone will seriously consider using Mothership in late game now. The Raven buff might make for some really interesting situations with Terran bio play now. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
Ah man, so happy about this patch. Don't even mind my FG getting nerfed  Overseer gas decrease is great as well, gives Zerg another quick scouting option and faster detection for banshees and shiz. Warp prisms viable, motherships ?viable?, immortals improved. wow Blizzard, good fucking job seriously. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
where u need to go ghosts vs infestor/BL (or vikings if u go bio) ? Well now, if you opt for vikings (like in bio or in mech if he doesn't have infestors but only BLs so far), you can get Ravens as an answer to Infestors with seeker missile! So now you can choose ghosts or Ravens. EPIC I SAY Also, hurray cus now MARINE RAVEN will be stronger and probably even more viable! (it was only slightly viable xD) | ||
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Watts
United States34 Posts
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gustavohmp
Brazil139 Posts
The blue flame nerf is uncalled for, not a whole lot of units is light, and you can deny hellions all togheter with good simcity. Now the upgrade is kinda expensive and makes mech vs P absolutely impossible since helions will do even worse against zealots. And the WP buff is nice. Very, very nice. But the coolest thing ever is Seeker Missile. Im not sure how faster it will actually be, but damn, Im already happy. Ravens will become a must in TvZ, Im sure of it. About the Infestor nerf, Im not sure if it will make that big of a deal, but meh, uncalled for as well. Overseer and Ultra change, pretty nice. Like, REALLY nice. | ||
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Ghostpvp
United States462 Posts
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