Patch 1.4 PTR Notes (updated 9/8) - Page 187

On August 27 2011 00:49 [F_]aths wrote:
I think the fungal nerf mostly addresses the infestor+broods issue versus terran as Blizzard (David Kim) once mentioned that they consider that strategy too strong.

On August 27 2011 00:10 Reborn8u wrote:
Since release there has been significant nerfs to both protoss and terran's early game. For example: supply before barracks, reaper nerfs, now 5 more seconds on barracks, bunker nerfs, stim nerf. Toss has had forge build time nerf, zealot build time nerf, warp gate research nerf, pylon nerf (this does affect forge expands imo). Even some significant mid/late game nerfs, blue flame, thors, and for toss several voidray nerfs, templar energy upgrade, mothership nerf (which is now getting a buff but it's almost an irrelevant unit anyway). At the same time zerg has had a lot of buffs, roach, fungal affecting blink, completely freezing units instead of slowing, damage bonus vs armored, huge dps increase, and now they are getting an ultralisk and overseer buff.

I'm really concerned that zerg may end up with an upgrade, economy, army, and mobility advantage at every stage of the game after the 7 minute mark. Meaning Terrans + Protoss will not have the ability to do enough damage to keep zerg in check at any stage.

I don't feel the immortal and prism buff, while helpful, is going to turn protoss around in it's pathetic statistics the last few months. If I'm not mistaken protoss has had the worst statistics in tournaments and holding places in GM since the start of this year. Considering it's the most played race, that is pretty damn bad. As for terran, I think limiting the amount of powerful builds that can simply win the game in 12 minutes is good, but I'm always hesitant to agree with any nerf to a races core units or core production. I definitely think terran needs some help in the late game, seems like the weakest race after 3 bases to me.

For zerg I'd like to see fungal tuned down a bit, it fills every role right now. Zergs are going roach infestor in every matchup and doing damn good with it. I say tune down the infestor, IMO they shouldn't be born with so many abilities, some should require research (fungal,infested, and burrow move all for free) and buff hydras or corruptors. So zerg actually has to make an anti air unit to counter air units. As it is now, zergs doesn't even need them because fungal or infested terrans provide all the anti air they need as well as infestors provide detection, aoe dmg, anti-micro, anti massive unit and harass. If you removed nydus, contamination, corruption, hydras, and changelings from the game most zergs wouldn't even notice. lol.

BTW If I've forgotten anything or misrepresented any facts please feel free to correct me in a non-douche baggy manner. My memory is far from perfect.

On August 27 2011 00:59 ToastieNL wrote:
Most important Fungal change to ZvZ is Banelings surviving a fungal growth now.

On August 27 2011 00:33 Reborn8u wrote:
Here ya go guys (so i can contribute something other than whining lol)

Pretty sexy looking IMO

On August 27 2011 01:19 Ramble wrote:

Fungal growth still kills banelings in one fungal in the PTR. Fungal does 30 damage which does not get mitigated by armor, and banelings have 30HP. Lings on the other hand survive one fungal now.

On August 27 2011 01:20 strength wrote:


They always have silly willy.

On August 27 2011 01:25 TimeSpiral wrote:


They always have what?

On August 27 2011 01:29 Termit wrote:
I don't really like the new Cancel thing. It looks kinda ugly to get a text and numbers popping up on your screen when things gets canceled. And I don't really get the purpose of it either. They want to put in another helping tool to naabs that doesn't realise they canceled their building or if they managed to salvage the bunker in time or what? -.-

On August 27 2011 01:32 Vardant wrote:

It's more likely for viewing purposes in tournaments, so they don't have to guess if it was cancel or it got destroyed.

On August 27 2011 01:34 Termit wrote:

Is it to much to check at the minerals? ;o

On August 27 2011 01:29 pheer wrote:

They always have, you silly willy!

On August 27 2011 00:58 IronBreaker wrote:



Completely agree, man. As strange as it seems, I think Zerg is the most powerful race right now. I also agree with the Terran buffs you presented, althought I play Protoss.