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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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Aerakin
185 Posts
On August 26 2011 05:38 charcute wrote: Check terran beginning to whine about imba like some toss noob whine about 1/1/1 "Hey check out that noob toss in gsl code s, he's whining about that build!" | ||
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-MoOsE-
United States236 Posts
On August 26 2011 05:36 Aerakin wrote: At least, you still have the upgrade. As opposed to flux veins and the amulet >_> I don't know about you, but being able to hide your tech, while unlocking your whole tech tree, being able to be aggressive and still expending behind that is prettttttttttttttty good. Not sure about imba, but being able to do something that RTSes generally don't allow you to do (expand, agression, tech all at the same time) is... ugh. yeah and blh are not useless now, just like ht are not useless, and we got the whole upgrade gone. still takes 2 shots to kill zergling, 3 for marines and workers so I really don't see the problem with this. | ||
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YipCraft
United States216 Posts
Btw if you think you will lose cause of a 5 second delay on the barracks...Then its like saying you lost cause you split your scvs badly. <--Somewhat of a CombatEX quote. | ||
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moregamethanSEGA
United States76 Posts
Huntz August 26 2011 05:37. Oh my god. It's 5 freaking seconds, you're not going to lose to proxy gates and 6 pools because your barracks is 5 seconds later. Your not going to start losing because your barracks is 5 seconds later. lies. just close your eyes and watch the lings stream into your unguarded/unwalled base. you'll be wishing you had that 5 secs back. Furthermore 5 sec in the first 2 minutes is extremely big. enough said. | ||
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Aquilla
69 Posts
For the other changes I'm excited to see how they work. I always thought seeker missile was already pretty strong and no one used it. The nerfs aren't devastating and someone of the changes are very creative like the vision up ramp reduced by 1. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
That s so genius OMG imagine.. Scenario 4 zealot drop in your main, He modes his prism and starts warp in for 4 more zealots, Infestor!!!!!! Cancels warp in by Neural parasite on the Prism because loss of power for protoss or..... use enemy prism to warp in your buddy's units xD | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On August 26 2011 05:42 moregamethanSEGA wrote: it has nothing to do with either of these thingslies. just close your eyes and watch the lings stream into your unguarded/unwalled base. you'll be wishing you had that 5 secs back. Furthermore 5 sec in the first 2 minutes is extremely big. enough said. the problem is that at the top level of play, all the build orders are solidified forcing all korean terrans to figure out new build orders for every single thing they want to do will definitely nerf terran but it's going about it in a very wrong way if the change is directed primarily at the 11/11 opening, a more obvious solution is to fix average rush distance on the ladder maps | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On August 26 2011 05:42 moregamethanSEGA wrote: lies. just close your eyes and watch the lings stream into your unguarded/unwalled base. you'll be wishing you had that 5 secs back. Furthermore 5 sec in the first 2 minutes is extremely big. enough said. Yeah, it's tough being a gold league 4v4er | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
■Fixed an issue where flyers may not decelerate in some cases. ■Fixed an issue where flying unit separation wasn’t consistent. Does anyone know what situations these changes refer to? It has the potential to be either completely unnoticeable, or incredibly game-changing. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On August 26 2011 05:42 Blasterion wrote: That s so genius OMG imagine.. Scenario 4 zealot drop in your main, He modes his prism and starts warp in for 4 more zealots, Infestor!!!!!! Cancels warp in by Neural parasite on the Prism because loss of power for protoss or..... use enemy prism to warp in your buddy's units xD You only NP the WP not the WG, so unless you had a worker as well and WG of your own down then sorry it wouldn't work Edit: but with more motherhips being produced, i have a feeling we r gonna see them get stolen more too lol | ||
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BadLuckHeeb
United States6 Posts
As for the other changes... The paper airplane that was the warp prism needed that buff. The HSM upgrade is ok... but I agree with ThorZain in saying that the range to use it is still too short. All the zerg patches were needed and the Bnet changes should've been obvious a long LONG time ago. | ||
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Shamrock_
South Africa276 Posts
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MandoRelease
France374 Posts
On August 26 2011 05:10 Zanno wrote: the change is bad because all it will do is reduce strategic variance, opting for reactored hellions kills probes/drones in 3 hits regardless so blue flame is now only useful vs combat shield marines, zerglings, and scvs so this change won't mess up tvt too badly but bfh openers aren't very good vs zerg now if they paired it up with a change to the vehicle weapon upgrade for hellions to +2/lvl this change would make sense, but now it's just stupid That's plain wrong. Not only does it give you map control, but 3 bfh still one-shot 10 drones. The nerf did not touch either mobility nor efficiency versus lings. Something that was too good got nerfed, it doesn't make it bad. It makes it balanced. As far as i'm concerned, bfh is still a real good opener versus zerg. The only difference is that it may not outright give you the win like it used to. | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On August 26 2011 05:46 Utinni wrote: You only NP the WP not the WG, so unless you had a worker as well and WG of your own down then sorry it wouldn't work Edit: but with more motherhips being produced, i have a feeling we r gonna see them get stolen more too lol If you meant the second part I meant in 2v2 where your ally has WG tech | ||
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moregamethanSEGA
United States76 Posts
Heavenly August 26 2011 05:43. Posts 1375 PM Profile Quote # -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On August 26 2011 05:42 moregamethanSEGA wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Show nested quote + Huntz August 26 2011 05:37. Oh my god. It's 5 freaking seconds, you're not going to lose to proxy gates and 6 pools because your barracks is 5 seconds later. Your not going to start losing because your barracks is 5 seconds later. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lies. just close your eyes and watch the lings stream into your unguarded/unwalled base. you'll be wishing you had that 5 secs back. Furthermore 5 sec in the first 2 minutes is extremely big. enough said. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, it's tough being a gold league 4v4er yeah im masters, but thanks. clearly you play zerg and are arguable less than 18 years old. mind your manners. that happens all the time in 4v4 regardless of you're rank. you should know (if you knew anything at all) that cheese is prevalent in 2v2 - 4v4, esp 6-10 pools and such... | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On August 26 2011 05:48 Blasterion wrote: If you meant the second part I meant in 2v2 where your ally has WG tech woops sorry dude!, that would be sick, nm!! haha Edit: didn't read it right, thought you just meant your enemy and you were calling him buddy lol | ||
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
On August 26 2011 05:41 Aerakin wrote: "Hey check out that noob toss in gsl code s, he's whining about that build!" And? if its so imba just stop playing. No ones were whinning when Flash used the 2-2 timming attack on Katrina TvP. then on other maps. Toss just worked on their build. Now The 1/1/1 is like the imba build and there is nothing to do against it. I don't agree, even if its hard to play vs that build there are some ways to win against it. | ||
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Telenil
France484 Posts
If you meant the second part I meant in 2v2 where your ally has WG tech That wouldn't work, you can't warp in an ally's powerfield. The zerg would have the field, not the protoss. | ||
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
On August 26 2011 05:42 moregamethanSEGA wrote: lies. just close your eyes and watch the lings stream into your unguarded/unwalled base. you'll be wishing you had that 5 secs back. Furthermore 5 sec in the first 2 minutes is extremely big. enough said. It's like two seconds in real time. And by the way, the wall is completed as soon as you slam down the building, not when it finishes. Plus scv repair on completed buildings will save you until the marine gets out. | ||
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