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On August 16 2011 23:15 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Just noticed that the guys saying its ok are from europe and the guys saying its low are from the US... 15/20k $ a year and 15/20k € a year is not the same guys,
15/20k€ a year isn't that bad for playing starcraft all day long :>
Yeah they make more than i do and I try and keep people from getting their house foreclosed on.
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On August 16 2011 23:17 Artifice wrote:
15k is 1250 a month. Even living in a shithole rent is easily 550/month. Phone/net probably 100. Utilities at least 100. Car, 300? Insurance, a bunch? And you have to eat? 15k is fucking awful, its $7.21/hr. I think that might even be below minimum wage...
I was going to say the same thing. I mean, 15k might be okay if you're living with your parents or have a few roomates to split rent with but you're not going to be living 'comfortably' around here on that kind of salary without some help. And this is one of the cheapest places to live in the country (Northern Maine).
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Select is currently the top terran on the American ladder. Maybe they could get Select in their team. I would be very sad for Dignitas.
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On August 16 2011 23:12 MadMockers wrote:
Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger now he's dead
Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama
Didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on, carry on
As if nothing really matters
On August 16 2011 23:11 KroN wrote:queen rocks
On August 16 2011 23:13 TaoTeKing wrote:yeah bohemia rapsody
Too late, my time has come
Sends shivers down my spine
Body's aching all the time
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On August 16 2011 23:16 jupidar wrote:
15k to be a progamer is better than working at some retail store imo, plus you get tournament winnings, etc. Most progamers do not live alone either. It is not like a post-grad student who has a big apartment, car loans, medical, etc etc. Most progamers put their life on hold for a while, being a progamer, then eventually go back to college or whatever... progaming is not a career move.
So imagine how much worse it is when you've just wasted the first few years of what should have been your working life, and you're that much further behind in buying a house, etc.
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Guys Miniwheat is starting kindergarten today! Coincidence? I think not!
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if anyone from EG iS reading thiS thread, please post something cryptic on twitter to get everyone back on topic <3
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On August 16 2011 23:18 zatic wrote:
Can you guys stop the ridiculous salary comparisons? Obviously someone couldn't live on their own on 15k DOLLAR in fucking Switzerland.
With rent, transportation, food, internet provided by a team in the US that's 15k they can blow on booze and texting fan girls. Sound pretty good for a 21 year old kid.
And stop the US vs the world debate. Now.
Agreed, it's like living at home with a 15k allowance and your parents are paying for all your living arrangements. Sweet deal if you ask me.
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Maybe EG asked Startale to change their logotype to something ridiculous so fans would want the teams to merger.
Maybe the EG-logo inside the star?
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On August 16 2011 23:21 Choboo wrote:
Guys Miniwheat is starting kindergarten today! Coincidence? I think not!
Yay congrats miniWHEAT :D
/me claps
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On August 16 2011 23:18 zatic wrote:
Can you guys stop the ridiculous salary comparisons? Obviously someone couldn't live on their own on 15k DOLLAR in fucking Switzerland.
With rent, transportation, food, internet provided by a team in the US that's 15k they can blow on booze and texting fan girls. Sound pretty good for a 21 year old kid.
And stop the US vs the world debate. Now.
I will never live the life of an EG progamer T_T
That said, only 38 minutes left, and the last soundfile is still not up. Things are getting exciting!
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On August 16 2011 23:18 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:15 Firewood wrote:On August 16 2011 23:06 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 23:04 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:59 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:57 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:55 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:52 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:50 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:49 tabbott26 wrote:
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You can get quite a handful by streaming enough... Yeah but it seemed like he was talking about salary/sponsors etc. Yes, I was. I'm quite positive that players like Idra and Puma and probably DeMuslim get quite generous salaries from EG, if I were to take a guess, I'd say around 50k a year on average. Which would be a lot of burger flipping. I can understand Idra and Puma getting decent salaries (15-30k), but why would DeMuslism be so high? Also, the lower EG players would be nowhere near as close. I still think 50k is a bit high. The EG cs team probably doesn't even make half of that salary, per player. 15-20k isn't decent. 30k is "decent". 40-50k is where an individual would likely want to be who is in the 20-25 age range and doesn't have a family. By "want to be" I mean that as living -very- comfortably alone while having plenty of money to still pay bills and throw around. 20-30k doesn't really cut it. Most salary pro gamers do not make very much. For most players salary just means monthly income. 15-30k is decent, considering most do not have a lot of bills to pay and/or delay college, etc. 15k is trash per year. What are you going to do with 15k a year? That's roughly 1250 a month. That's definitely not enough to live alone, have a car payment, pay car insurance. pay phone bills, things like that. I can see what you're saying about pro gamers not making very much, but when you take a step back and look at what making 15k a year really means, you can't help but realize why someone would want to jump from a 15k a year salary to a 30-40k a year salary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_StatesLiterally millions of people live on *under* 15k a year. And that's in the world's richest country. Don't even get me started on poor countries. Some Americans are so goddamn spoiled. LOL America, a rich country? Their GDP is near 15trillion. China is next, at around 7.5trillion. Their debt could be paid off in a year if they had to.
You need to look at GDP per capita. Otherwise it can just be a poor ass country with a few super rich guys with too many gold minerals while the rest of the population wallows in poverty.
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stfu and get back on topic
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A Challenger Appears!
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The truth revealed or more cryptic musings?
AnnaProsser Anna Prosser
Had a dream I visited @IGNProLeague & they wanted to show me a new project which involved @AskJoshy & I dousing ourselves in soy sauce. O_o
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It's gotta be a showmatch of 2 EG players in HoTS.
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38 min left? for me it shows 1h.38min left
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On August 16 2011 23:22 Rustug wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:18 zatic wrote:
Can you guys stop the ridiculous salary comparisons? Obviously someone couldn't live on their own on 15k DOLLAR in fucking Switzerland.
With rent, transportation, food, internet provided by a team in the US that's 15k they can blow on booze and texting fan girls. Sound pretty good for a 21 year old kid.
And stop the US vs the world debate. Now. Agreed, it's like living at home with a 15k allowance and your parents are paying for all your living arrangements. Sweet deal if you ask me.
Except instead of living at home you live with a bunch of friends who play video games with you all day and you get to fly all across the world to compete in video game tournaments and have the chance to win serious cash.
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On August 16 2011 23:16 SolHeiM wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2011 23:12 Drxz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:08 Abrafred wrote:On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed. That is 100% true. Any 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed can make a living with 15-20k dollars a year IN FRICKIN NIGERIA. Try that in the US and you will be off to flippin burgers in no time. I am a 22 year old on between 75,000 and 100,000 AUD a year, I have no responsibilities, and that is not including my travel bonuses. its really not that much money its more about how well someone manages the money they are given, Also to those people who say something along the lines of "in other countries people live on less" that might be true but you would have to see what the average income of the country is compared to the cost of what is considered staple in that country because I can say right now out of every country I have been to that Australia has one of the most expensive staple foods and eating out costs. I would have to say that its pretty much just Russia(Moscow) which is more expensive.
I have no idea how you can sit there and say that 75-100k AUD is "not really that much money."
I can live comfortably in Sweden in a one room apartment for just over 15000 USD per year, because I don't spend my money on stupid shit I don't need. You must be absolutely horrible at managing the money you are given, because if you think it's not a lot of money, you need to wake up.
Well, I am gonna say Sweden is a much cheaper country not unlike most of Europe to live in than Australia, but that aside, it costs about 450/week for rent for me but that's a two bedroom but if I was to go for a one bedroom it would still be about 300 not including petrol which for me is about $80Au a week then there is also food (I will admit I could live cheaper here) I spend at least $30 a day. plus the taxes in Australia for someone earning as much as me is about 30% so my actual income is somewhat lower it would be 50-66k/year on tax not including the 10% tax on almost everything you buy.
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Who would have thought one little timer would cause such a commotion.
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