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On August 16 2011 23:22 insaneMicro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:18 zatic wrote:
Can you guys stop the ridiculous salary comparisons? Obviously someone couldn't live on their own on 15k DOLLAR in fucking Switzerland.
With rent, transportation, food, internet provided by a team in the US that's 15k they can blow on booze and texting fan girls. Sound pretty good for a 21 year old kid.
And stop the US vs the world debate. Now. I will never live the life of an EG progamer T_T That said, only 38 minutes left, and the last soundfile is still not up. Things are getting exciting!
The counter at the site says its 1 hour and 36 minutes
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On August 16 2011 23:21 jpditri wrote:
if anyone from EG iS reading thiS thread, please post something cryptic on twitter to get everyone back on topic <3
Better not. We successfully shifted to a really serious income topic (compared to the original topic).
Where was our train of thought ? Oh yeah. Scamming in Nigeria!
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On August 16 2011 23:23 Loxley wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/riptide/liquid/icanhascheezburger.jpg) A Challenger Appears! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Jr8gz.jpg)
LOL
oh my god that is epic
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On August 16 2011 23:23 crackcc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:18 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 23:15 Firewood wrote:On August 16 2011 23:06 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 23:04 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:59 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:57 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:55 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:52 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:50 jupidar wrote:
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Yeah but it seemed like he was talking about salary/sponsors etc. Yes, I was. I'm quite positive that players like Idra and Puma and probably DeMuslim get quite generous salaries from EG, if I were to take a guess, I'd say around 50k a year on average. Which would be a lot of burger flipping. I can understand Idra and Puma getting decent salaries (15-30k), but why would DeMuslism be so high? Also, the lower EG players would be nowhere near as close. I still think 50k is a bit high. The EG cs team probably doesn't even make half of that salary, per player. 15-20k isn't decent. 30k is "decent". 40-50k is where an individual would likely want to be who is in the 20-25 age range and doesn't have a family. By "want to be" I mean that as living -very- comfortably alone while having plenty of money to still pay bills and throw around. 20-30k doesn't really cut it. Most salary pro gamers do not make very much. For most players salary just means monthly income. 15-30k is decent, considering most do not have a lot of bills to pay and/or delay college, etc. 15k is trash per year. What are you going to do with 15k a year? That's roughly 1250 a month. That's definitely not enough to live alone, have a car payment, pay car insurance. pay phone bills, things like that. I can see what you're saying about pro gamers not making very much, but when you take a step back and look at what making 15k a year really means, you can't help but realize why someone would want to jump from a 15k a year salary to a 30-40k a year salary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_StatesLiterally millions of people live on *under* 15k a year. And that's in the world's richest country. Don't even get me started on poor countries. Some Americans are so goddamn spoiled. LOL America, a rich country? Their GDP is near 15trillion. China is next, at around 7.5trillion. Their debt could be paid off in a year if they had to. You need to look at GDP per capita. Otherwise it can just be a poor ass country with a few super rich guys with too many gold minerals while the rest of the population wallows in poverty.
GDP/capita does nothing to reveal whether this is occurring.
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well I dont know much about how expencive it is to live in the US, but with 15-20k USD a year = 90-110k Norwegian kroner, you cant really live in Norway.. Its hard to live with 30k a year in Norway... when thats said, I dont think you find a job in Norway where you earn less than 30k a year...
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On August 16 2011 23:18 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:15 Firewood wrote:On August 16 2011 23:06 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 23:04 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:59 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:57 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:55 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:52 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:50 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:49 tabbott26 wrote:
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You can get quite a handful by streaming enough... Yeah but it seemed like he was talking about salary/sponsors etc. Yes, I was. I'm quite positive that players like Idra and Puma and probably DeMuslim get quite generous salaries from EG, if I were to take a guess, I'd say around 50k a year on average. Which would be a lot of burger flipping. I can understand Idra and Puma getting decent salaries (15-30k), but why would DeMuslism be so high? Also, the lower EG players would be nowhere near as close. I still think 50k is a bit high. The EG cs team probably doesn't even make half of that salary, per player. 15-20k isn't decent. 30k is "decent". 40-50k is where an individual would likely want to be who is in the 20-25 age range and doesn't have a family. By "want to be" I mean that as living -very- comfortably alone while having plenty of money to still pay bills and throw around. 20-30k doesn't really cut it. Most salary pro gamers do not make very much. For most players salary just means monthly income. 15-30k is decent, considering most do not have a lot of bills to pay and/or delay college, etc. 15k is trash per year. What are you going to do with 15k a year? That's roughly 1250 a month. That's definitely not enough to live alone, have a car payment, pay car insurance. pay phone bills, things like that. I can see what you're saying about pro gamers not making very much, but when you take a step back and look at what making 15k a year really means, you can't help but realize why someone would want to jump from a 15k a year salary to a 30-40k a year salary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_StatesLiterally millions of people live on *under* 15k a year. And that's in the world's richest country. Don't even get me started on poor countries. Some Americans are so goddamn spoiled. LOL America, a rich country? Their GDP is near 15trillion. China is next, at around 7.5trillion. Their debt could be paid off in a year if they had to.
.. US debt is 98.5% of GDP (or 14.6 trillion)
US GDP is 14.8 trillion
Ok, let's do some math.
14.8 - 14.6 = 0.2 trillion
Not to mention that US is still borrowing money.
Have a look here, to see how much shit the US is actually in: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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$15k a year is enough to survive for a progamer in a progamer house, but you have to consider that the very best of these progamers are not studying, they don't have high education, they can't buy themself a home, if their progamer career end when they are 35 they are waaaay behind people who took a university education, bought a home and have 10 years work experience. And the progamers with $15k a year doesn't really have money saved up either. There is no way $15k a year is such a great deal for these guys.
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On August 16 2011 23:23 Loxley wrote:A Challenger Appears!
I don't even....
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On August 16 2011 23:20 FreedonNadd wrote:
Select is currently the top terran on the American ladder. Maybe they could get Select in their team. I would be very sad for Dignitas.
As far as i can tell DeMusliM is sitting on top.
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On August 16 2011 23:24 Benjef wrote:
Who would have thought one little timer would cause such a commotion.
December 21, 2012
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I'm living with 10k€ a year in France and I'm fine with it... And I have a rent and food to pay for me and my gf.
Even had enough money to have a 40" flat screen a ps3 and a 360, not to count my arcade cabinet.
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You can definitely live off ~20-25k in the US. It's not going to be posh, but I payed 700 in rent last year in a nice city. 42k total, but 18k of that was tuition i paid, so really only 24k in living costs.
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On August 16 2011 23:21 garlicface wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:16 jupidar wrote:
15k to be a progamer is better than working at some retail store imo, plus you get tournament winnings, etc. Most progamers do not live alone either. It is not like a post-grad student who has a big apartment, car loans, medical, etc etc. Most progamers put their life on hold for a while, being a progamer, then eventually go back to college or whatever... progaming is not a career move. So imagine how much worse it is when you've just wasted the first few years of what should have been your working life, and you're that much further behind in buying a house, etc.
Except they also can win serious cash at tournaments that can go to house, cars etc.
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All these burger pics and comments are making me so hungry! They need to hurry and reveal so I can go eat!
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On August 16 2011 23:23 darkest44 wrote:
stfu and get back on topic
I agree, it is far more important that we continue to regurgitate the same four ideas as we've done for almost 600 pages and make fun of Idra's sex life!
Jeez, what are you guys thinking having some kind of reasonable and relevant discussion about pro gamer salaries D:
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On August 16 2011 23:23 crackcc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:18 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 23:15 Firewood wrote:On August 16 2011 23:06 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 23:04 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:59 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:57 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:55 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:52 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:50 jupidar wrote:
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Yeah but it seemed like he was talking about salary/sponsors etc. Yes, I was. I'm quite positive that players like Idra and Puma and probably DeMuslim get quite generous salaries from EG, if I were to take a guess, I'd say around 50k a year on average. Which would be a lot of burger flipping. I can understand Idra and Puma getting decent salaries (15-30k), but why would DeMuslism be so high? Also, the lower EG players would be nowhere near as close. I still think 50k is a bit high. The EG cs team probably doesn't even make half of that salary, per player. 15-20k isn't decent. 30k is "decent". 40-50k is where an individual would likely want to be who is in the 20-25 age range and doesn't have a family. By "want to be" I mean that as living -very- comfortably alone while having plenty of money to still pay bills and throw around. 20-30k doesn't really cut it. Most salary pro gamers do not make very much. For most players salary just means monthly income. 15-30k is decent, considering most do not have a lot of bills to pay and/or delay college, etc. 15k is trash per year. What are you going to do with 15k a year? That's roughly 1250 a month. That's definitely not enough to live alone, have a car payment, pay car insurance. pay phone bills, things like that. I can see what you're saying about pro gamers not making very much, but when you take a step back and look at what making 15k a year really means, you can't help but realize why someone would want to jump from a 15k a year salary to a 30-40k a year salary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_StatesLiterally millions of people live on *under* 15k a year. And that's in the world's richest country. Don't even get me started on poor countries. Some Americans are so goddamn spoiled. LOL America, a rich country? Their GDP is near 15trillion. China is next, at around 7.5trillion. Their debt could be paid off in a year if they had to. You need to look at GDP per capita. Otherwise it can just be a poor ass country with a few super rich guys with too many gold minerals while the rest of the population wallows in poverty.
Actually, per capita is just to distinguish small, rich countries from large, poor ones. It has nothing to do with the distribution of wealth.
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On August 16 2011 23:20 Revelatus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:17 Artifice wrote:
15k is 1250 a month. Even living in a shithole rent is easily 550/month. Phone/net probably 100. Utilities at least 100. Car, 300? Insurance, a bunch? And you have to eat? 15k is fucking awful, its $7.21/hr. I think that might even be below minimum wage... I was going to say the same thing. I mean, 15k might be okay if you're living with your parents or have a few roomates to split rent with but you're not going to be living 'comfortably' around here on that kind of salary without some help. And this is one of the cheapest places to live in the country (Northern Maine).
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What if you live in a fully payed-for house with food provided? Say perhaps.... a pro-gaming house.
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My jaw is made of solid APM.
lmao
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On August 16 2011 23:25 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:20 Revelatus wrote:On August 16 2011 23:17 Artifice wrote:
15k is 1250 a month. Even living in a shithole rent is easily 550/month. Phone/net probably 100. Utilities at least 100. Car, 300? Insurance, a bunch? And you have to eat? 15k is fucking awful, its $7.21/hr. I think that might even be below minimum wage... I was going to say the same thing. I mean, 15k might be okay if you're living with your parents or have a few roomates to split rent with but you're not going to be living 'comfortably' around here on that kind of salary without some help. And this is one of the cheapest places to live in the country (Northern Maine). ... What if you live in a fully payed-for house with food provided? Say perhaps.... a pro-gaming house.
And computer supplied, internet paid for, money u get from streaming on top of your salary (most pros have like 500-1000viewers) adds up to EASY MODE xD
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