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Keep in mind that on top of the base salary they get quite a bit from coaching, I heard IncontroL makes a bucket of cash from coaching, then there's streaming and obviously tournament wins.
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On August 16 2011 23:10 Sareth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:04 features wrote:On August 16 2011 22:59 MetalSlug wrote:
i wonder why this will be revield in German/europe primetime and matches the opening of the Gamescom ceremony.... Exactly what I said, This could seriously be HotS related..... Maybe EG has been playing a Beta build, with a possible showmatch at Gamescom? Oh this would be so awesome... official start of the gamescom would be tomorrow, but such an event would gather extremly much attentieon.
Holy crap you people, I will laugh my ass off when it is nothing more than a showmatch series or a pro-am Or god forbid simply a new line of T-shirts.
People blow a countdown clock and some trolling tweets/reddit posts into the unveil of HOTS at NOT BLIZZCON...you people, i swear.
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I think it was on sotg or something, they said that around 800$/month is a really good for pro gamer in US/EU and most pros can just dream about that kinda salaries.
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I'm in the military and I only get abou 13-18k/year avg. Depending on deployment status... much like progaming teams, the military pays for my food and housing.... its enough to live on, not really live a cozy and gucci lifestyle, but you can mnage to pay for a car bill, cell phone, etc. I'm pretty sure if the millions of military members going through a much more stressful life can live off of it, a progamer can manage just fine.
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On August 16 2011 23:16 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:08 Abrafred wrote:
That is 100% true. Any 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed can make a living with 15-20k dollars a year IN FRICKIN NIGERIA. Try that in the US and you will be off to flippin burgers in no time.
Everyone in Nigeria earns at least 50k per year via internet scams.
Made me laugh
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15k is 1250 a month. Even living in a shithole rent is easily 550/month. Phone/net probably 100. Utilities at least 100. Car, 300? Insurance, a bunch? And you have to eat? 15k is fucking awful, its $7.21/hr. I think that might even be below minimum wage...
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On August 16 2011 23:12 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:08 Abrafred wrote:On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed. That is 100% true. Any 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed can make a living with 15-20k dollars a year IN FRICKIN NIGERIA. Try that in the US and you will be off to flippin burgers in no time. What would you be spending your salary on with no family to feed? If you live in team house that is covered, Im not sure if foodis covered but if it isnt then thats about only thing you would have to pay for and if it is covered then thas almost every nessecity.
I have sustained a quite nice lifestyle during my studies on less than 20k USD, without free living space in one of the ten most expensive cities of Europe. I cannot imagine the US being much more costly outside of LA and NY. You can't really support a family or a car or your own house, but make living of it? You bet, and not a bad one either.
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Get back on topic people... Naniwa & Huk to join EG !
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On August 16 2011 23:14 crackcc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:09 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 23:08 FyyN wrote:On August 16 2011 23:06 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 23:04 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:59 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:57 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:55 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:52 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:50 jupidar wrote:
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Yeah but it seemed like he was talking about salary/sponsors etc. Yes, I was. I'm quite positive that players like Idra and Puma and probably DeMuslim get quite generous salaries from EG, if I were to take a guess, I'd say around 50k a year on average. Which would be a lot of burger flipping. I can understand Idra and Puma getting decent salaries (15-30k), but why would DeMuslism be so high? Also, the lower EG players would be nowhere near as close. I still think 50k is a bit high. The EG cs team probably doesn't even make half of that salary, per player. 15-20k isn't decent. 30k is "decent". 40-50k is where an individual would likely want to be who is in the 20-25 age range and doesn't have a family. By "want to be" I mean that as living -very- comfortably alone while having plenty of money to still pay bills and throw around. 20-30k doesn't really cut it. Most salary pro gamers do not make very much. For most players salary just means monthly income. 15-30k is decent, considering most do not have a lot of bills to pay and/or delay college, etc. 15k is trash per year. What are you going to do with 15k a year? That's roughly 1250 a month. That's definitely not enough to live alone, have a car payment, pay car insurance. pay phone bills, things like that. I can see what you're saying about pro gamers not making very much, but when you take a step back and look at what making 15k a year really means, you can't help but realize why someone would want to jump from a 15k a year salary to a 30-40k a year salary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_StatesLiterally millions of people live on *under* 15k a year. And that's in the world's richest country. Don't even get me started on poor countries. Some Americans are so goddamn spoiled. USA the world's richest Country? I don't think so... ? Of course they are, by a large distance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
Don't forget to subtract the debt as well.
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On August 16 2011 23:15 Firewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:06 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 23:04 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:59 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:57 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:55 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:52 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:50 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:49 tabbott26 wrote:On August 16 2011 22:47 jupidar wrote:
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I think you are overvaluing how much the lower tier players would be making, unless it was sarcasm. You can get quite a handful by streaming enough... Yeah but it seemed like he was talking about salary/sponsors etc. Yes, I was. I'm quite positive that players like Idra and Puma and probably DeMuslim get quite generous salaries from EG, if I were to take a guess, I'd say around 50k a year on average. Which would be a lot of burger flipping. I can understand Idra and Puma getting decent salaries (15-30k), but why would DeMuslism be so high? Also, the lower EG players would be nowhere near as close. I still think 50k is a bit high. The EG cs team probably doesn't even make half of that salary, per player. 15-20k isn't decent. 30k is "decent". 40-50k is where an individual would likely want to be who is in the 20-25 age range and doesn't have a family. By "want to be" I mean that as living -very- comfortably alone while having plenty of money to still pay bills and throw around. 20-30k doesn't really cut it. Most salary pro gamers do not make very much. For most players salary just means monthly income. 15-30k is decent, considering most do not have a lot of bills to pay and/or delay college, etc. 15k is trash per year. What are you going to do with 15k a year? That's roughly 1250 a month. That's definitely not enough to live alone, have a car payment, pay car insurance. pay phone bills, things like that. I can see what you're saying about pro gamers not making very much, but when you take a step back and look at what making 15k a year really means, you can't help but realize why someone would want to jump from a 15k a year salary to a 30-40k a year salary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_StatesLiterally millions of people live on *under* 15k a year. And that's in the world's richest country. Don't even get me started on poor countries. Some Americans are so goddamn spoiled. LOL America, a rich country?
Their GDP is near 15trillion.
China is next, at around 7.5trillion.
Their debt could be paid off in a year if they had to.
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Can someone please tell me how the thread got derailed this badly?
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Can you guys stop the ridiculous salary comparisons? Obviously someone couldn't live on their own on 15k DOLLAR in fucking Switzerland.
With rent, transportation, food, internet provided by a team in the US that's 15k they can blow on booze and texting fan girls. Sound pretty good for a 21 year old kid.
And stop the US vs the world debate. Now.
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I make 600K a year and I'm 20. I wouldn't be able to survive on less than 400K, let alone 15K.
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On August 16 2011 23:14 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:11 DerNebel wrote:On August 16 2011 23:09 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 23:08 Femari wrote:On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed. LOL NO You don't realize how expensive life is. Right? People saying 15-20k per year is a lot of money... lol... come on. We aren't 15 here. It is not a lot. It is enough to pay rent, food and public transport + a bit extra for a young man with no family to take care of. Where are you living cause I'd like to move there if rent is that cheap. Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:14 features wrote:On August 16 2011 23:08 Femari wrote:On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed. LOL NO You don't realize how expensive life is. I don't think YOU have a clue, the majority of a families income goes on Food, electric and heating. A Pro gamer on 10-15K EXPENDABLE income a year living in a team house, with free travel allowances is doing fine. How many people can say they have 10-15K without any responsibilities? Not to mention they spend most of their time in front of their computer playing a single, no subscription game. Pro gamers like Idra COULD live on a pittance. Who said I was talking about the progamers? You're not gonna live on 15k a year if you're living on your own and you have to pay for it.
15k a year, with FREE RENT AND TRAVEL EXPENSES, is an insane amount of money to be making. People live off 15k a year while paying rent in America all the time, it's called having roommates. To not have to pay rent and still make that kind of income? pretty decent.
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On August 16 2011 22:51 Ryalnos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:49 tabbott26 wrote:On August 16 2011 22:47 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:42 yeint wrote:
I'm pretty sure most salaried EG players make a fuckton more than burger flippers.
But you're presenting a false dichotomy. What if you could make good (enough) money playing competitive SC2? Why does it have to be an either/or?
It's not like I'm saying people get into progaming for the money. They get into it because they love playing. But when making decisions about what team you're going to be playing with, money should definitely be an important factor, since you are spending the best years of your life on this activity.
I think you are overvaluing how much the lower tier players would be making, unless it was sarcasm. You can get quite a handful by streaming enough... If you have thousands of viewers...
Which players of EG's quality will do.
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On August 16 2011 23:17 Artifice wrote:
15k is 1250 a month. Even living in a shithole rent is easily 550/month. Phone/net probably 100. Utilities at least 100. Car, 300? Insurance, a bunch? And you have to eat? 15k is fucking awful, its $7.21/hr. I think that might even be below minimum wage...
Don't forget taxes/Social Security/Medicare. It's closer to $1000 a month.
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Guys, fucking realize we are talking about pro gamers who live in fucking team house with absolutely no real life responsibilities where they would need to spend big part of their salary.
For those kind of people, even 10k year is fucking alot of money especially when they are 20 year old kiddos with their whole live devoted to starcraft.
Get real, seriously.
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Thing is that its around 15k pretty much money in pocket. They get paid to live/eat/clothed etc. so its purely spending money on extras like food or something.
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On August 16 2011 23:08 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed. LOL NO You don't realize how expensive life is.
All I can say is I am 21 in the UK earning £17,500.00 (around $28,000.00) a year and am living very comfortably (renting a nice place, have a car, eat/go out with out having tothink about it and have money left over each month and as far as I know America is cheaper to live (or is that hear say... I am mainly basing it on the price of petrol (gas) which at my calculation is at about $10 dollar per a US gallon atm and your bitching about it being over $4...)
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