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On August 16 2011 23:11 KroN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:10 SecondChance wrote:
Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality. Open your eyes, look up to the skies and seeee. I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy. Because I'm easy come, easy go a little high, little low. Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me queen rocks
yeah bohemia rapsody
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In my country, 15K USD a year you are upper 10%.
I can live off that, rent a tiny place, have a car. By myself ofcourse.
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holy crap too much cryptic nonsense. we need to call an expert! quick! does anyone have Nicholas Cage's phone number?
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On August 16 2011 23:10 Sareth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:04 features wrote:On August 16 2011 22:59 MetalSlug wrote:
i wonder why this will be revield in German/europe primetime and matches the opening of the Gamescom ceremony.... Exactly what I said, This could seriously be HotS related..... Maybe EG has been playing a Beta build, with a possible showmatch at Gamescom? Oh this would be so awesome... official start of the gamescom would be tomorrow, but such an event would gather extremly much attentieon.
Or IdrA knew that there will be no lurkers, and queens got nerfed in HOTS, so he's retired.
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On August 16 2011 23:11 DerNebel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:09 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 23:08 Femari wrote:On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed. LOL NO You don't realize how expensive life is. Right? People saying 15-20k per year is a lot of money... lol... come on. We aren't 15 here. It is not a lot. It is enough to pay rent, food and public transport + a bit extra for a young man with no family to take care of.
It's enough to pay rent, and scrape the rest together for food and transport... what about bills? Electricity? Waste? Phone bill? Internet service? Television service? A car payment someday? Car insurance to go with it? Things that are part of an every day life. I understand, "for esports", but on a bigger scale lets be realistic about money beyond the scope of SC2. That's simply not enough.
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On August 16 2011 23:08 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed. LOL NO You don't realize how expensive life is.
I don't think YOU have a clue, the majority of a families income goes on Food, electric and heating. A Pro gamer on 10-15K EXPENDABLE income a year living in a team house, with free travel allowances is doing fine.
How many people can say they have 10-15K without any responsibilities? Not to mention they spend most of their time in front of their computer playing a single, no subscription game. Pro gamers like Idra COULD live on a pittance.
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On August 16 2011 23:09 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:08 FyyN wrote:On August 16 2011 23:06 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 23:04 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:59 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:57 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:55 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:52 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:50 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:49 tabbott26 wrote:
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You can get quite a handful by streaming enough... Yeah but it seemed like he was talking about salary/sponsors etc. Yes, I was. I'm quite positive that players like Idra and Puma and probably DeMuslim get quite generous salaries from EG, if I were to take a guess, I'd say around 50k a year on average. Which would be a lot of burger flipping. I can understand Idra and Puma getting decent salaries (15-30k), but why would DeMuslism be so high? Also, the lower EG players would be nowhere near as close. I still think 50k is a bit high. The EG cs team probably doesn't even make half of that salary, per player. 15-20k isn't decent. 30k is "decent". 40-50k is where an individual would likely want to be who is in the 20-25 age range and doesn't have a family. By "want to be" I mean that as living -very- comfortably alone while having plenty of money to still pay bills and throw around. 20-30k doesn't really cut it. Most salary pro gamers do not make very much. For most players salary just means monthly income. 15-30k is decent, considering most do not have a lot of bills to pay and/or delay college, etc. 15k is trash per year. What are you going to do with 15k a year? That's roughly 1250 a month. That's definitely not enough to live alone, have a car payment, pay car insurance. pay phone bills, things like that. I can see what you're saying about pro gamers not making very much, but when you take a step back and look at what making 15k a year really means, you can't help but realize why someone would want to jump from a 15k a year salary to a 30-40k a year salary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_StatesLiterally millions of people live on *under* 15k a year. And that's in the world's richest country. Don't even get me started on poor countries. Some Americans are so goddamn spoiled. USA the world's richest Country? I don't think so... ? Of course they are, by a large distance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
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On August 16 2011 23:11 DerNebel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:09 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 23:08 Femari wrote:On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed. LOL NO You don't realize how expensive life is. Right? People saying 15-20k per year is a lot of money... lol... come on. We aren't 15 here. It is not a lot. It is enough to pay rent, food and public transport + a bit extra for a young man with no family to take care of.
Where are you living cause I'd like to move there if rent is that cheap.
On August 16 2011 23:14 features wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:08 Femari wrote:On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed. LOL NO You don't realize how expensive life is. I don't think YOU have a clue, the majority of a families income goes on Food, electric and heating. A Pro gamer on 10-15K EXPENDABLE income a year living in a team house, with free travel allowances is doing fine. How many people can say they have 10-15K without any responsibilities? Not to mention they spend most of their time in front of their computer playing a single, no subscription game. Pro gamers like Idra COULD live on a pittance.
Who said I was talking about the progamers? You're not gonna live on 15k a year if you're living on your own and you have to pay for it.
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oh, i thought It was 10~15k per month, that per year is not that much
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And on top of that that 15k/year-salary sets you up nicely for a lot of side deals like streaming, winning smaller cups, showmatches, advertising, etc, etc.
I wouldn't call it that bad ^^
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So how long till the announcement?
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On August 16 2011 23:06 Yaotzin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:04 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:59 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:57 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:55 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:52 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:50 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:49 tabbott26 wrote:On August 16 2011 22:47 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:42 yeint wrote:
I'm pretty sure most salaried EG players make a fuckton more than burger flippers.
But you're presenting a false dichotomy. What if you could make good (enough) money playing competitive SC2? Why does it have to be an either/or?
It's not like I'm saying people get into progaming for the money. They get into it because they love playing. But when making decisions about what team you're going to be playing with, money should definitely be an important factor, since you are spending the best years of your life on this activity.
I think you are overvaluing how much the lower tier players would be making, unless it was sarcasm. You can get quite a handful by streaming enough... Yeah but it seemed like he was talking about salary/sponsors etc. Yes, I was. I'm quite positive that players like Idra and Puma and probably DeMuslim get quite generous salaries from EG, if I were to take a guess, I'd say around 50k a year on average. Which would be a lot of burger flipping. I can understand Idra and Puma getting decent salaries (15-30k), but why would DeMuslism be so high? Also, the lower EG players would be nowhere near as close. I still think 50k is a bit high. The EG cs team probably doesn't even make half of that salary, per player. 15-20k isn't decent. 30k is "decent". 40-50k is where an individual would likely want to be who is in the 20-25 age range and doesn't have a family. By "want to be" I mean that as living -very- comfortably alone while having plenty of money to still pay bills and throw around. 20-30k doesn't really cut it. Most salary pro gamers do not make very much. For most players salary just means monthly income. 15-30k is decent, considering most do not have a lot of bills to pay and/or delay college, etc. 15k is trash per year. What are you going to do with 15k a year? That's roughly 1250 a month. That's definitely not enough to live alone, have a car payment, pay car insurance. pay phone bills, things like that. I can see what you're saying about pro gamers not making very much, but when you take a step back and look at what making 15k a year really means, you can't help but realize why someone would want to jump from a 15k a year salary to a 30-40k a year salary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_StatesLiterally millions of people live on *under* 15k a year. And that's in the world's richest country. Don't even get me started on poor countries. Some Americans are so goddamn spoiled.
LOL America, a rich country?
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On August 16 2011 22:21 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:19 me_viet wrote:On August 16 2011 22:14 Derez wrote:On August 16 2011 22:09 ExO_ wrote:On August 16 2011 22:06 Tantaburs wrote:On August 16 2011 22:01 Krainer wrote:On August 16 2011 21:58 Stijx wrote:On August 16 2011 21:54 Krainer wrote:On August 16 2011 21:48 Abrafred wrote:
anyone else becoming an EG hater after this? I already am. But I will become a Huk hater. I just pray that it doesn't come to that. That's really sad. A sellout is a sellout. Plain and simple. How is switching teams selling out?. Would it be selling out if you left a job as a low level lawyer to get a higher level job at another company that pays more If HuK does leave Liquid for EG be it for money or to live in a practice house in the states then he is not selling out he is switching teams. SC2 is Huk's career if he wants to move to EG for money reasons then it is a career move not him selling out. 100% agree. God forbid a pro gaming team actually pay players a competitive salary. That must be terrible for e-sports. Not hating on TL, but seriously think about it from HuK's shoes. If I had to choose between losing some fans, and gaining a huge salary increase, I know what I would choose, and I know what 90% of the people hating on this move would choose. The only reason he's actually in Code S is because he's on TL. I understand wanting to switch for money, but if the entire announcement is that huk is switching to EG, being booted from the oGs house and moving into an apartment on his own, I doubt it will benefit his SC2 results at all. Short term monetary gains in exchange for joining a mediocre team with no korean infrastructure that, in the long term, will result in him just becoming someone with idra-like results. Why exactly is it unfair to critizise him for that? You forget, TL itself is a mediocre team compared to the korean teams. I can't remember the last time a Liquid member won something since jinro being in GSL. Ret did pretty good recently I'll admit, but TL is really only 'good' atm because of their affiliation with oGs, and really only Jinro/Huk are actually in Korea atm. If say EG managed to grab a partnership too with say IM, then this is perhaps the best move possible for huk. However, this is all speculation, and we should just wait for the announcement, not like there's a shirt prize or anything =P Maybe Ret just won EU Blizz invit. I don't know. Maybe.
lol that's why i said i'll admit 'ret has been doing good lately'.
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Just noticed that the guys saying its ok are from europe and the guys saying its low are from the US... 15/20k $ a year and 15/20k € a year is not the same guys,
15/20k€ a year isn't that bad for playing starcraft all day long :>
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Hey, i know it! EG wants to recruit ME!
In 1 hour 45 minutes i leave at work and the timer is on 1 hour 45 minutes!
I'm expecting an expensive car with a butler picking me up :p
Anyways, about payment for pros, it depends a lot on travel costs, etc. If the team pays for those, $40k is easily enough for them to make a decent living - especially considering that the player can keep the price money - but if the team doesn't pay for travel, it has to be at $60k to cover the extra costs. Travelling all over the world, paying for hotels, taxis and ordering food is expensive.
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On August 16 2011 23:12 jelle wrote:
Okay, stop it you guys, stop..
15k a year, isn't something to make a career out of.. Let's say our guys do have plans of somekind of future, how should they ever afford stuff like a car, a house, providing for a family, if they should be able to feed their own personal needs plus saving up, off of 15k a year... Get real..
In my honest opinion, before a progamer can call he's career anything near steady, we need to be atleast around 30k a year, and thats everything included, like sponsor deals, tournament earnings, etc. etc..
that's the problem of most people nowadays.
Chasing off a bigger wage won't get you richer.
It is about how you spent those money (i.e. the good ones will get a good financial portfolio and not getting lots of loans while the poor one will spent like it is infinite)
there is a reason why some of the most richest people alive on earth don't really own a high wage job but sitting on tonnes of financial assets
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On August 16 2011 23:08 Abrafred wrote:
That is 100% true. Any 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed can make a living with 15-20k dollars a year IN FRICKIN NIGERIA. Try that in the US and you will be off to flippin burgers in no time.
Everyone in Nigeria earns at least 50k per year via internet scams.
Anyway, when does the 5th mp3 get released.
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On August 16 2011 23:13 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed. QFT
Don't just quote to put 'This' or QFT. Try to add something with the post.
Anyways, 15-20k is in no way a lot of money. But it is enough for a person to live off of when they have no rent or expenses that go with it. I made 10-15k during college and had a new(in 06) car and everything else a normal person had. I'd be very surprised if pro gamers were making much more then that.
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On August 16 2011 23:12 Drxz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:08 Abrafred wrote:On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed. That is 100% true. Any 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed can make a living with 15-20k dollars a year IN FRICKIN NIGERIA. Try that in the US and you will be off to flippin burgers in no time. I am a 22 year old on between 75,000 and 100,000 AUD a year, I have no responsibilities, and that is not including my travel bonuses. its really not that much money its more about how well someone manages the money they are given, Also to those people who say something along the lines of "in other countries people live on less" that might be true but you would have to see what the average income of the country is compared to the cost of what is considered staple in that country because I can say right now out of every country I have been to that Australia has one of the most expensive staple foods and eating out costs. I would have to say that its pretty much just Russia(Moscow) which is more expensive.
I have no idea how you can sit there and say that 75-100k AUD is "not really that much money."
I can live comfortably in Sweden in a one room apartment for just over 15000 USD per year, because I don't spend my money on stupid shit I don't need. You must be absolutely horrible at managing the money you are given, because if you think it's not a lot of money, you need to wake up.
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15k to be a progamer is better than working at some retail store imo, plus you get tournament winnings, etc. Most progamers do not live alone either. It is not like a post-grad student who has a big apartment, car loans, medical, etc etc. Most progamers put their life on hold for a while, being a progamer, then eventually go back to college or whatever... progaming is not a career move.
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