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On August 16 2011 23:21 SecondChance wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:12 MadMockers wrote: Mama, just killed a man Put a gun against his head Pulled my trigger now he's dead Mama, life had just begun But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama Didn't mean to make you cry If I'm not back again this time tomorrow Carry on, carry on As if nothing really matters Too late, my time has come Sends shivers down my spine Body's aching all the time
Goodbye everybody - I've got to go Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
+ Show Spoiler +I feel like evil genius should eat another team. Also, progamers make barely enough money, thats the end of it.
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On August 16 2011 23:23 Loxley wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/riptide/liquid/icanhascheezburger.jpg) A Challenger Appears! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Jr8gz.jpg)
sweet mother of mercy..... that is brilliant!!!!
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On August 16 2011 23:09 Lordwar wrote: 15k per year is alot of money for playing starcraft all day long in training house. Get real guys
If the training house supplies food, sure it may be ok. But lets be serious you are a pro gamer making 15k/y for 5 years that is a total of 75k (~50k after taxes) for 5 years of your life. If you save 100% of it, you would be on a nice start to a retirement plan. However after you finish your progaming career where do you go? You're ~25 with a pretty bad resume, your hope is to stay within the scene as a commentator, writer, etc. That savings you had over the course of 5 years will mostly used up by the time you get back on your feet.
Last but not least, lets say they practice 56 Hours per week (I'm sure some put in 70+). That comes just under $7 per hour, factor that in with they are the best in that particular field of work, its a very very small number even I can top that number by streaming.
I'm not saying progaming isn't lucrative, but 15k/y is a horrible estimate. Didn't Destiny say he gets at least 50k/y on his own?
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So i went here and found this mystery announcement. I read through a Billion of pages, with i don't know how much Theories about what is going to happen, from the strangest to the funniest. A lot of clues have been released, but you can't really make much out of them. So i figured is should talk to Incontrol, he'll probably know right? So i asked him what should i do when this announcement is going to be public, and he says:"You’re movin’ with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air" I whistled for a cab and when it came near The license plate said "FRESH" and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I can say this cab is rare, but i thought "Now forget it" - "Yo homes to Bel Air". I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8, and i yelled to the cabbie "Yo homes, smell ya later". I looked at my kingdom, i was finally there, to settle my throne as the Prince of Bel Air.
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On August 16 2011 23:25 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:20 Revelatus wrote:On August 16 2011 23:17 Artifice wrote: 15k is 1250 a month. Even living in a shithole rent is easily 550/month. Phone/net probably 100. Utilities at least 100. Car, 300? Insurance, a bunch? And you have to eat? 15k is fucking awful, its $7.21/hr. I think that might even be below minimum wage... I was going to say the same thing. I mean, 15k might be okay if you're living with your parents or have a few roomates to split rent with but you're not going to be living 'comfortably' around here on that kind of salary without some help. And this is one of the cheapest places to live in the country (Northern Maine). ... What if you live in a fully payed-for house with food provided? Say perhaps.... a pro-gaming house. That's fine, but people were saying you could live on that alone. That's where the whole thing came from.
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On August 16 2011 23:25 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:20 Revelatus wrote:On August 16 2011 23:17 Artifice wrote: 15k is 1250 a month. Even living in a shithole rent is easily 550/month. Phone/net probably 100. Utilities at least 100. Car, 300? Insurance, a bunch? And you have to eat? 15k is fucking awful, its $7.21/hr. I think that might even be below minimum wage... I was going to say the same thing. I mean, 15k might be okay if you're living with your parents or have a few roomates to split rent with but you're not going to be living 'comfortably' around here on that kind of salary without some help. And this is one of the cheapest places to live in the country (Northern Maine). ... What if you live in a fully payed-for house with food provided? Say perhaps.... a pro-gaming house. Then as I said, you would probably be pretty well off with that kind of help. But I wouldn't consider their salary 15k if they're getting 20k worth of benefits on top of that.
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Yes you can live off of 15k - But 15k a year isn't something to build a future from, and not in anyway a "comfortable" sallery - Not for a programer, not for anyone.
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On August 16 2011 23:24 Femari wrote:LOL oh my god that is epic
Wow great stuff!
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didnt i hear somewhere that Hayder is a vegetarian?
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On August 16 2011 23:24 wIIKlol wrote: well I dont know much about how expencive it is to live in the US, but with 15-20k USD a year = 90-110k Norwegian kroner, you cant really live in Norway.. Its hard to live with 30k a year in Norway... when thats said, I dont think you find a job in Norway where you earn less than 30k a year... But we're not talking about Norway. I make 350-400k NOK(60-70k USD) a year to get by by myself with no education at all. That money would make me a king in many countries, but you can't make that kind of a comparison...
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On August 16 2011 23:27 Ipp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:09 Lordwar wrote: 15k per year is alot of money for playing starcraft all day long in training house. Get real guys If the training house supplies food, sure it may be ok. But lets be serious you are a pro gamer making 15k/y for 5 years that is a total of 75k (~50k after taxes) for 5 years of your life. If you save 100% of it, you would be on a nice start to a retirement plan. However after you finish your progaming career where do you go? You're ~25 with a pretty bad resume, your hope is to stay within the scene as a commentator, writer, etc. That savings you had over the course of 5 years will mostly used up by the time you get back on your feet. Last but not least, lets say they practice 56 Hours per week (I'm sure some put in 70+). That comes just under $7 per hour, factor that in with they are the best in that particular field of work, its a very very small number even I can top that number by streaming. I'm not saying progaming isn't lucrative, but 15k/y is a horrible estimate. Didn't Destiny say he gets at least 50k/y on his own? The difference between Destiny and other progamers is that the other progamers win serious cash in tournaments also.
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On August 16 2011 23:27 nucleo wrote: didnt i hear somewhere that Hayder is a vegetarian?
tofu burger perhaps ?
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On August 16 2011 23:24 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:23 crackcc wrote:On August 16 2011 23:18 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 23:15 Firewood wrote:On August 16 2011 23:06 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 23:04 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:59 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:57 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:55 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:52 yeint wrote: [quote]
Yes, I was. I'm quite positive that players like Idra and Puma and probably DeMuslim get quite generous salaries from EG, if I were to take a guess, I'd say around 50k a year on average.
Which would be a lot of burger flipping. I can understand Idra and Puma getting decent salaries (15-30k), but why would DeMuslism be so high? Also, the lower EG players would be nowhere near as close. I still think 50k is a bit high. The EG cs team probably doesn't even make half of that salary, per player. 15-20k isn't decent. 30k is "decent". 40-50k is where an individual would likely want to be who is in the 20-25 age range and doesn't have a family. By "want to be" I mean that as living -very- comfortably alone while having plenty of money to still pay bills and throw around. 20-30k doesn't really cut it. Most salary pro gamers do not make very much. For most players salary just means monthly income. 15-30k is decent, considering most do not have a lot of bills to pay and/or delay college, etc. 15k is trash per year. What are you going to do with 15k a year? That's roughly 1250 a month. That's definitely not enough to live alone, have a car payment, pay car insurance. pay phone bills, things like that. I can see what you're saying about pro gamers not making very much, but when you take a step back and look at what making 15k a year really means, you can't help but realize why someone would want to jump from a 15k a year salary to a 30-40k a year salary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_StatesLiterally millions of people live on *under* 15k a year. And that's in the world's richest country. Don't even get me started on poor countries. Some Americans are so goddamn spoiled. LOL America, a rich country? Their GDP is near 15trillion. China is next, at around 7.5trillion. Their debt could be paid off in a year if they had to. You need to look at GDP per capita. Otherwise it can just be a poor ass country with a few super rich guys with too many gold minerals while the rest of the population wallows in poverty. GDP/capita does nothing to reveal whether this is occurring. Why not ? Are the poor using mules ?
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On August 16 2011 23:22 insaneMicro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:18 zatic wrote: Can you guys stop the ridiculous salary comparisons? Obviously someone couldn't live on their own on 15k DOLLAR in fucking Switzerland.
With rent, transportation, food, internet provided by a team in the US that's 15k they can blow on booze and texting fan girls. Sound pretty good for a 21 year old kid.
And stop the US vs the world debate. Now. I will never live the life of an EG progamer T_T That said, only 38 minutes left, and the last soundfile is still not up. Things are getting exciting!
It should be 1 hr 38 mins...
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In Austria everything below 30k$ makes it really difficult to live. You can survive but not live without fear. You cant afford many things like holidays.
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Why the hell is there a standard of living discussion in this thread?
Epic burger pics.
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On August 16 2011 23:28 Sanchonator wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:27 nucleo wrote: didnt i hear somewhere that Hayder is a vegetarian? tofu burger perhaps ? but then its not a fair contest
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On August 16 2011 23:27 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:25 mprs wrote:On August 16 2011 23:20 Revelatus wrote:On August 16 2011 23:17 Artifice wrote: 15k is 1250 a month. Even living in a shithole rent is easily 550/month. Phone/net probably 100. Utilities at least 100. Car, 300? Insurance, a bunch? And you have to eat? 15k is fucking awful, its $7.21/hr. I think that might even be below minimum wage... I was going to say the same thing. I mean, 15k might be okay if you're living with your parents or have a few roomates to split rent with but you're not going to be living 'comfortably' around here on that kind of salary without some help. And this is one of the cheapest places to live in the country (Northern Maine). ... What if you live in a fully payed-for house with food provided? Say perhaps.... a pro-gaming house. That's fine, but people were saying you could live on that alone. That's where the whole thing came from.
Ah, there is no way you can live on 15k, not in America/Canada/Major European countries. Maybe you can live in some really cheap Euro country or in Asia somewhere.
But 15k is also unrealistic because you get more working in mcdonalds.
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On August 16 2011 23:27 nucleo wrote: didnt i hear somewhere that Hayder is a vegetarian?
there are vegetarian burgers, hotdogs, etc.
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