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On August 16 2011 22:42 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:38 Yaotzin wrote:On August 16 2011 22:37 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:33 Sergio! wrote:On August 16 2011 22:25 R3demption wrote:On August 16 2011 22:16 Tantaburs wrote:On August 16 2011 22:15 spawnzero wrote:On August 16 2011 22:13 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:01 Krainer wrote:On August 16 2011 21:58 Stijx wrote:
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That's really sad. A sellout is a sellout. Plain and simple. A professional gamer moving to a new team once his contract is up is not "selling out". The term "sellout" is used for artists who sacrifice their artistic integrity in order to appeal to larger audiences. / Using it in this context is absolutely juvenile. And by "juvenile", I mean that you appear to be about 12 years old, and treat Team Liquid as some sort of league of superheroes, instead of the professional gaming team that it is. Very true statement. If, for example, Peyton Manning were traded/resigned to say the Dolphins for way more money (for god knows what reason), people wouldn't be like OMG what a sellout fuck him!!! They'd just see it as "Wow, sucks for the colts but good for him he's making way more money." To be fair colts fans may well call him a sellout The real question is: Is it fair to judge a professional for changing teams for a greater opportunity? Come on, its a fact of life in sports, players just want the best for themselves and the fans will think what they want about it. The manner in which they leave the team could very well be looked down upon however: think Lebron James and that whole Heat party as soon as he left the Cavs. But if a player leaves respectfully and honorably I cant help but feel good about it. When a player is comfortable and where he wants to be, he performs his best IMO. Like Ben Wallace leaving the Pistons for the Bulls? For future ingame success, does anyone think being on EG is better than being on OGSTL? Do you think being on OGSTL will guarantee that Huk becomes a bonjwa who makes 200-300k a year? Because signing to another team for 80k a year (random number pulled out of ass) would guarantee that he makes 80k a year. If you honestly think that striving for skill for skill's sake while being provided food and shelter is preferable to making good money, then there's an honest difference of opinion that cannot be argued over. If making good money was your goal in life you'd never have become an SC2 progamer though. There are many, many jobs that make more. Like flipping burgers. I'm pretty sure most salaried EG players make a fuckton more than burger flippers.
Do they? Sadly there's very very little information on these things. Do the lower tier guys - Axslav, Machine etc - really get paid over minimum wage? If so they're lucky guys imo because they don't actually do anything :p
But you're presenting a false dichotomy. What if you could make good (enough) money playing competitive SC2? Why does it have to be an either/or?
He already is though, surely? Liquid salary, staying in Code S is worth something like 20k a year minimum - much more if he goes and wins it or even comes close. The training has let him win stuff like DH too.
It's not like I'm saying people get into progaming for the money. They get into it because they love playing. But when making decisions about what team you're going to be playing with, money should definitely be an important factor, since you are spending the best years of your life on this activity.
I agree but not at the cost of crippling your career - which imo moving to NA does to a player. Korea is far and away the best place to train, regardless of where you end up playing tournaments in. With the Koreans coming and winning MLG and stuff this is only becoming more true.
Of course as I've said, if HuK gets a better salary PLUS stays in Korea with that training regime then I fully understand.
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On August 16 2011 22:59 MetalSlug wrote:
i wonder why this will be revield in German/europe primetime and matches the opening of the Gamescom ceremony....
No, gamescon starts 17th August? Today will be the 16th August -_-
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On August 16 2011 22:59 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:55 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:54 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:53 Benga wrote:On August 16 2011 22:45 ReturnStroke wrote:On August 16 2011 22:44 Benga wrote:
If id war Sirscoots i would sack everyone except maybe idra their roster is utter mediocre.
I cant believe they get paid Their players are very popular and thus good advertising. (and they have good players) other than their recent signing Puma and Idra there arent good players.  iNcontroL[/tlpd]  MachineLzGaMeR what an impressing line up Do you not understand the difference between the words "popular" and "good"? Are you being subjective? Those three players are definitely good, probably far better than 90% of the people potsing things like this will ever be. Compared to the -worlds- best? Maybe not as good. But still very good SC2 players. No, I'm being entirely objective. We're talking about players who are POPULAR getting SPONSORS. The fact that you think they have shitty tournament results doesn't mean a damn thing. Destiny is massively popular and hasn't won a damn thing. To a sponsor, Destiny is about 50 times more valuable than someone like Jinro who's had great showings but isn't a big personality.
Im not quite sure how you can say that those players aren't good. They're extremely good. Not every NBA player is Michael Jordan, doesn't make them bad.
I agree with your point about popularity though, definitely.
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Two hours until announcement. :O
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On August 16 2011 22:58 Rustug wrote:
I'm still not convinced on the HuK leaving theory as being the MAIN event. HuK is a great player and any organization would be better with having him on their roster. But with the amount of hype that EG is trying to create a single player switching teams would be underwhelming.
It has to be BIGGER, else I would feel a bit disappointed at the BIG reveal.
But I'm loving the HYPE campaign thus-far, so keep it up EG & friends.
Yeah, you are absolutely right, no way it will be Huk leaving. It could be a new Korean foreigner house and Huk is leaving to join, but A single player transfer should never have been hyped this way.
on top of that we have EG not being alone in the endeavor, TL seems to be collaborating and scoots says it isn't just him that means that even if there is a transfer both parties were in agreement.
We also have possibly a White Ra and maybe Dignitas involvement that most likely isn't a transfer of players to a new team. This is going to be bigger than just EG but how much bigger is still in question.
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I wish the Bunker from the 3rd audio made more sense. Unless they're opening a team house in Spain as well. And I'm still curious how that fanfic ties into this.
Was kind of hoping for some alliance with like Prime or something, but, who knows, we're going to get either something big or the biggest troll in history for a walk through of the EG Team House (remember, they've been hiding interior pictures of it).
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On August 16 2011 23:01 DrNo wrote:
Two hours until announcement. :O
I prepared my fall-out shelter with popcorn and 3D glasses. I hope the fabrics of space and time can resist this epic EG announcement.
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Maybe it's something to do with WeMadeFox. Their WC3 division has just disbanded very recently. - EG could be looking forward to acquiring Moon + Lyn and send their team forward to Korea to play in the GSTL. I'm just speculating here.
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On August 16 2011 22:59 MetalSlug wrote:
i wonder why this will be revield in German/europe primetime and matches the opening of the Gamescom ceremony....
Exactly what I said, This could seriously be HotS related.....
Maybe EG has been playing a Beta build, with a possible showmatch at Gamescom?
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"THIS IS NOT A _____ TROLL? ANNOUNCMENT? " what a little over an hour left =)
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On August 16 2011 22:59 jupidar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:57 Grimsong wrote:On August 16 2011 22:55 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:52 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:50 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:49 tabbott26 wrote:On August 16 2011 22:47 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:42 yeint wrote:
I'm pretty sure most salaried EG players make a fuckton more than burger flippers.
But you're presenting a false dichotomy. What if you could make good (enough) money playing competitive SC2? Why does it have to be an either/or?
It's not like I'm saying people get into progaming for the money. They get into it because they love playing. But when making decisions about what team you're going to be playing with, money should definitely be an important factor, since you are spending the best years of your life on this activity.
I think you are overvaluing how much the lower tier players would be making, unless it was sarcasm. You can get quite a handful by streaming enough... Yeah but it seemed like he was talking about salary/sponsors etc. Yes, I was. I'm quite positive that players like Idra and Puma and probably DeMuslim get quite generous salaries from EG, if I were to take a guess, I'd say around 50k a year on average. Which would be a lot of burger flipping. I can understand Idra and Puma getting decent salaries (15-30k), but why would DeMuslism be so high? Also, the lower EG players would be nowhere near as close. I still think 50k is a bit high. The EG cs team probably doesn't even make half of that salary, per player. 15-20k isn't decent. 30k is "decent". 40-50k is where an individual would likely want to be who is in the 20-25 age range and doesn't have a family. By "want to be" I mean that as living -very- comfortably alone while having plenty of money to still pay bills and throw around. 20-30k doesn't really cut it. Most salary pro gamers do not make very much. For most players salary just means monthly income. 15-30k is decent, considering most do not have a lot of bills to pay and/or delay college, etc.
15k is trash per year. What are you going to do with 15k a year? That's roughly 1250 a month. That's definitely not enough to live alone, have a car payment, pay car insurance. pay phone bills, things like that. I can see what you're saying about pro gamers not making very much, but when you take a step back and look at what making 15k a year really means, you can't help but realize why someone would want to jump from a 15k a year salary to a 30-40k a year salary.
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On August 16 2011 22:59 ellirc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:57 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:53 ellirc wrote:On August 16 2011 22:52 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:50 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:49 tabbott26 wrote:On August 16 2011 22:47 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:42 yeint wrote:
I'm pretty sure most salaried EG players make a fuckton more than burger flippers.
But you're presenting a false dichotomy. What if you could make good (enough) money playing competitive SC2? Why does it have to be an either/or?
It's not like I'm saying people get into progaming for the money. They get into it because they love playing. But when making decisions about what team you're going to be playing with, money should definitely be an important factor, since you are spending the best years of your life on this activity.
I think you are overvaluing how much the lower tier players would be making, unless it was sarcasm. You can get quite a handful by streaming enough... Yeah but it seemed like he was talking about salary/sponsors etc. So you actually think EG pays out around 300k a year only in salaries? Add Anna and the house. Add SirScoots. Add plane tickets and hotel rooms. I don't know but I would be VERY surprised if EG actually has that kind of money to spend. Yes, I was. I'm quite positive that players like Idra and Puma and probably DeMuslim get quite generous salaries from EG, if I were to take a guess, I'd say around 50k a year on average. Which would be a lot of burger flipping. 50k? No way... Destiny makes more than that typing /commercial on JTV. Why do you think it's far fetched that sponsors can pony up the same amount to an EG player? Steelseries must be aware that it's much better advertising to have Idra walk around with their logo on his shirt than it is to hope that Destiny's fans aren't going to take piss during the /commercial? Post got fucked  Anyway, I don't think EG has a million to spend on salaries, house and plane tickets.
Eg is quite the well off team, i would not say they are as rich as FXO but they are one of the more successful pro games teams in terms of money. They do have quite the amount of case to throw around.
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On August 16 2011 23:03 Oktyabr wrote:
Maybe it's something to do with WeMadeFox. Their WC3 division has just disbanded very recently. - EG could be looking forward to acquiring Moon + Lyn and send their team forward to Korea to play in the GSTL. I'm just speculating here.
what?
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On August 16 2011 22:55 iRon aka bananajuice wrote:
maybe they exchange idra with huk eghuk and liquididra
so idra can go back to korea and train in the ogstl house!!!!! EG could afford their own EG pro house in Korea if they wanted to, they don't need to mix like oGs-liquid, not to mention EG has a sick house in phoenix already
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15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed.
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On August 16 2011 22:59 ellirc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:57 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:53 ellirc wrote:On August 16 2011 22:52 yeint wrote:On August 16 2011 22:50 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:49 tabbott26 wrote:On August 16 2011 22:47 jupidar wrote:On August 16 2011 22:42 yeint wrote:
I'm pretty sure most salaried EG players make a fuckton more than burger flippers.
But you're presenting a false dichotomy. What if you could make good (enough) money playing competitive SC2? Why does it have to be an either/or?
It's not like I'm saying people get into progaming for the money. They get into it because they love playing. But when making decisions about what team you're going to be playing with, money should definitely be an important factor, since you are spending the best years of your life on this activity.
I think you are overvaluing how much the lower tier players would be making, unless it was sarcasm. You can get quite a handful by streaming enough... Yeah but it seemed like he was talking about salary/sponsors etc. So you actually think EG pays out around 300k a year only in salaries? Add Anna and the house. Add SirScoots. Add plane tickets and hotel rooms. I don't know but I would be VERY surprised if EG actually has that kind of money to spend. Yes, I was. I'm quite positive that players like Idra and Puma and probably DeMuslim get quite generous salaries from EG, if I were to take a guess, I'd say around 50k a year on average. Which would be a lot of burger flipping. 50k? No way... Destiny makes more than that typing /commercial on JTV. Why do you think it's far fetched that sponsors can pony up the same amount to an EG player? Steelseries must be aware that it's much better advertising to have Idra walk around with their logo on his shirt than it is to hope that Destiny's fans aren't going to take piss during the /commercial? Post got fucked Anyway, I don't think EG has a million to spend on salaries, house and plane tickets.
Eg is quite the well off team, i would not say they are as rich as FXO but they are one of the more successful pro gaming teams in terms of money. They do have quite the amount of cash to throw around.
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Should I edit the OP with the announcement or should a new thread be made for it?
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2011 22:58 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 22:53 Phayze wrote:
Idra got his girlfriend pregnant and is quitting pro gaming? I'm pretty sure that IdrA's spermatozoa would leave the game early at the first sign of trouble. User was warned for this post
LOLL!!
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On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
What the fuck are you talking about? 15-20k month is not decent salary?
15-20k month salary is like some semi high boss in some big company already and it is alot of money.
You guys have lost touch of reality if you claim 15-20 is not "decent" money to live with.
Nobody is talking about 15-20k a month salaries. Talking about a year.
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On August 16 2011 23:05 Lordwar wrote:
15-20k year is fucking alot of money for 20-25year old with no responsibilities or family to feed.
He said per year...
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