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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On August 11 2011 23:00 zatic wrote: So I read the first few pages, a few in the middle, and the last few pages. Is there anything to this thread but 40 pages of whining from all sides? No i dont get why this thread is allowed to endure. Its mainly just a thread where someone plays a race have to say their race is the hardest | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On August 11 2011 22:51 BushidoSnipr wrote: can all the ignorant protoss players leave this thread and only the terrans & zergs discuss? its just disappointing seeing all these posts about PROTOSS IS ACTUALLY HARD even though its statistically, factually, and just flat out easy. User was warned for this post Dude, you're straight up wrong. Check the statistics for last month: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252090 | ||
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eourcs
United States459 Posts
On August 11 2011 23:00 zatic wrote: So I read the first few pages, a few in the middle, and the last few pages. Is there anything to this thread but 40 pages of whining from all sides? It's 70% people saying their race is the hardest, 25% people saying "fuck you bronze leaguer, my race is the hardest because xyz", and 5% people complaining about why this thread is open. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On August 11 2011 23:09 eourcs wrote: It's 70% people saying their race is the hardest, 25% people saying "fuck you bronze leaguer, my race is the hardest because xyz", and 5% people complaining about why this thread is open. And yet, it remains open. | ||
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Hectic
Australia159 Posts
This results in easier macro and micro. Because you dont produce as many units, you have more time to focus on other parts of the game. In addition, the extra HP on units gives you more room for error when it comes to micro. For example, if your unit accidently gets shot by a seige tank once while you are not paying attention, it just loses shields and you pull it back, as opposeed to it being blown up along with 4 of its friends in 1 shot. With zergling and marine battles once you commit, theres no going back because your units die instantly. Theres no room for changing your mind. This is why they have always been considered trhe easiest race even in broodwar. I have solved the debate, you can all go home now. | ||
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
Protoss has the simplest macro, really. Chrono boost is a simple concept, and you just have to press W to build your units, and you can even chrono your probes. Contrarily, I believe Protoss can have very dynamic/difficult micro (especially in early game) Terran can be argued to have a 'harder' macro mechanic between Mule and Scan. Also, whenever I play as terran I have no problem microing any units (siege up, 1a marines, derp?), but having a perfect macro as terran is much more difficult to achieve, as there is a bit more multitasking necessary for their macro. (preventing floating mins, etc.) Zerg macro is difficult to grasp at first (balancing workers/units and knowing when to build workers, vs other races can build workers through their nexus/cc), and creepspread/larva inject are continuous necessities throughout the game as you play, and obv cannot be ignored. though once you get setup, you can just hit #szzzzzz or whatever unit you need for quick unit creation. | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
It's not that all protosses are bad and just sit around and do nothing though, it's more that they dont really have a viable option for harassment, bar DT's and MAYBE phoenix, but they're not the same as drops/nydus/hellions/mutas/lings, etc. And then warp gates are also pretty intuitive, if you're high on minerals, you make zealots, if you're high on gas, you make sentries. Not to mention that because of the warp gate mechanic, you can sometimes get rewarded by macroing poorly, if someone drops let's say 8 marines in your base, you just warp in 5 zealots and you dont have to worry about it. So basically, protoss is the easiest race for the same reason that it's probably the worst race at the very highest level, and at that level, protoss is just as hard to play as terran/zerg as you need to be able to work around the difficulties protoss has with harassing and such. And as a zerg, I find terran much more challenging to play than protoss whenever I'm offracing, mostly due to the reasons I've already stated. | ||
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
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GxZ
United States375 Posts
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Tsuki.eu
Portugal1049 Posts
also in the current metagame P doenst need to harass/multitask that much. | ||
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BushidoSnipr
United States910 Posts
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Olsson
Sweden931 Posts
- Simplest micro, keep colossi in back blink back stalker. - Simplest mechanics, oops forgot some probes ill just chrono some out and i'll be back on top of economy. - Forgiving units with shields allow you a second chance to back off which terran doesn't allow. - Great tech switches if you go down the wrong path and get C but your army would die to B. You warp in some, and get immortals instead of collossi for composition A. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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rdr
Sweden48 Posts
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topschutter
Netherlands93 Posts
On August 11 2011 23:26 Olsson wrote: - Simplest production. Press w, S, hold shift, spam anywhere on the map sort of. - Simplest micro, keep colossi in back blink back stalker. - Simplest mechanics, oops forgot some probes ill just chrono some out and i'll be back on top of economy. - Forgiving units with shields allow you a second chance to back off which terran doesn't allow. - Great tech switches if you go down the wrong path and get C but your army would die to B. You warp in some, and get immortals instead of collossi for composition A. Really? Simplest production? Terran can just set rally point select baracks and press a... same idea Simplest micro? Yeah you dont need any micro for blink stalker, forcefields, dt, ht, etc -.- Simplest mechanics? If you dont chrono boost you will be behind, why do you think chrono boost is there. Otherwise you will be behind with terran with there mule drops. Forgiving units? Zerg can regain health with burrowed units, can let queens heal. Terran has scv to heal tanks etc and medivec to heal marines etc. Great tech switches? So terran cant go from marines to marauder? Terran cant switch add-ons? Zerg cant go make something else with larve? You cant be serious about that, can you? | ||
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
On August 11 2011 22:16 enecateReAP wrote: In my opinion, protoss are the easiest, you never stack minerals past like...silver level because you have a freaking button telling you when your gateways are ready. You dont need map control because if you get dropped, oh well, you can just warp in and loose no probes. You dont need to split your army because banelings arent chasing your marines, or youre not trying to make sure the guys doesn't focus fire your banes with seiges. Protoss has a lot fo easy aspects, I cant think of anything hard thats in the protoss metagame. No need for map control? Besides the general benefits of knowing what's going on. Warping in after blue flame hellions finish their first few volleys really does not help. Same goes for baneling drops. And you realize how cost effective MM drops are against toss right? If they are dropped in a good position the warp in of zealots and stalkers don't manhandle it like you are suggesting. No need to split? This screams troll bait. Heard of fungal growth? Baneling drops? Fungal growth AND baneling drops? Also about our 'W' button, if you are terran you know you can produce more units when you hear unit confirmations, with zerg you can see how much larvae you have up. My comparisons are sound since you are strictly talking about the ability to SEE if you can produce another round of units or not. On another note, why does this thread still live? | ||
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On August 11 2011 23:18 TwilightStar wrote: As a random player, here are my thoughts. Protoss has the simplest macro, really. Chrono boost is a simple concept, and you just have to press W to build your units, and you can even chrono your probes. Contrarily, I believe Protoss can have very dynamic/difficult micro (especially in early game) Terran can be argued to have a 'harder' macro mechanic between Mule and Scan. Also, whenever I play as terran I have no problem microing any units (siege up, 1a marines, derp?), but having a perfect macro as terran is much more difficult to achieve, as there is a bit more multitasking necessary for their macro. (preventing floating mins, etc.) Zerg macro is difficult to grasp at first (balancing workers/units and knowing when to build workers, vs other races can build workers through their nexus/cc), and creepspread/larva inject are continuous necessities throughout the game as you play, and obv cannot be ignored. though once you get setup, you can just hit #szzzzzz or whatever unit you need for quick unit creation. You're only looking at the economy when speaking about macro. When protoss make units while in a battle, we have to leave the battleground and go back to a pylon to make units. Terran on the other hand can micro and macro at the same time, which is why their units are weaker and protoss units are stronger. | ||
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sceroh
Belgium182 Posts
did you already know that you can actually CHOSE your own race. Besides I heard that random is pretty good  | ||
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lurked
Canada918 Posts
On August 11 2011 23:00 zatic wrote: So I read the first few pages, a few in the middle, and the last few pages. Is there anything to this thread but 40 pages of whining from all sides? Nope, sorry... I read the first few pages yesterday, was surprised it was already 4pages of whining and not closed, and now I'm extremely surprised it's still not closed after 42pages... But after reading maybe a bit more than half of the pages in this thread, I really feel like Protoss is extremely easy, and that when I come back home tonight I'll instantly be at the top of the GrandMasters league. I think I'll even switch to Terran just to have some kind of challenge. Yup, I'm totally serial. | ||
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