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Server: EU
My name: fleshJelly
Hacker name: Wakerius Hacker's Profile Link
Replay: Replay on drop.sc
Description:
3:02-3:10: My scouting scv gets in his natural and fakes a going up ramp sort of movement, instead makes a bunker behind the mineral line. He could see a red dot going up ramp on his minimap, his camera was always looking at his main.
3:37-3:40: His scouting drone comes back, blatantly finds the bunker building spot on, spam clicking right next to it instead of a-move waypointing around mineral line.
Up to this point, this might not strike most of you as maphack, but there is much more strong evidence to follow
6:06: Starts moving his overlord through my base for scouting, note this because he will never look at my base again. His camera never goes to my base to see what's there after this sacrificial overlord.
6:21: My cloak research starts 6:30: He starts evo chamber
7:10-7:20 : Makes 5 spores, 3 in main 2 in natural
10:20-10:35: My 2 dropships starts moving to drop at his main, he immediately repositions spore crawlers.
While repositioning spores at his main, he also brings zerglings to his main hatchery. And just when drop is approaching the zerglings go crazy about it without seeing it at all. This timestamp is the strongest evidence i have, if this is not maphack i don't know what is.
With his camera keeps looking at an empty side of the map from time to time (8 o'clock) and staring at his main hatchery, instead of seeing what his overlord scouted by looking at my base indicates a camera lock feature in action.
I stopped playing at that point out of frustration, there is more evidence further in the game tho.
Does it help making a thread on blizzard sc2 forums to get this player banned ASAP?
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On August 30 2011 16:45 JediGamer wrote:
Everyone playing vs EZMoto or any Moto name try to save the replay. He thought I was streaming but I turned my stream off before the game started, he still sent a probe straight to my base on a 4 player map.
If you guys remember, Moto used to make antihack maps in SC1, in SC2 a close eye needs to be on him because I personally was his friend in SC1 and he did hack.
Avilo was complaining about Moto maphacking on his stream as well. The probe always went to Avilo's base on a 4 playe map multiple times.
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Server: NA
Your Name: Nocturn.713
Hacker Name: CuriousSnail
(bnet profile):
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2666543/1/CuriousSnail/
Replay: http://drop.sc/30415
Description: Maphacking
[3:00] Initially he seems to play standard, but at my first glance of the replay he randomly places his camera over my base through the FOW with nothing selected (no scouting SCV etc).
[4:36] Looks over my base again, though it COULD be to confirm his findings on the minimap.
[5:10] Looks over my base while im building bunker (through FOW). I could see no reason for him to even scroll over this area.
[6:03] Scrolls over my production facilities through the FOW. No scan, no vision. Blatantly pans his camera over my barracks, factory and starport (with respective add-ons). As a side note, after scrolling over my production facilities, he cancels his viking and builds two medivacs (viking would be for anti-banshee, but the starport had no tech lab).
[7:07] Scrolls over my base again (my medivac for my hellion drop just finished)
[7:33] Scrolls over to my base where my medivac is, then to my CC, then back to my medivac.
[7:58] Places his camera DIRECTLY OVER my medivac through the FOW. This is by far the most concrete evidence I found towards him maphacking.
[9:30] Initially scrolls over to my base to commence his marine drop, then pans over my vikings (in FOW) and repositions his medivacs in a way that the drop circumvents the vikings altogeter.
Last note: In TvT, its quite common to use 1 scan after the first 2-3 mules to be completely certain of an opponents tech path and army composition. This opponent however, didn't use a single scan throughout the game.
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On August 30 2011 10:19 Italianstallion wrote:
just caught protech lieing just watched his stream he floated 80mins no drones wonder wut ealse this plat trash lies about
sorry not stream VOD
LoL. Excuse me, but this guy is full of shit. I watch protech stream for quite some time already, and I can confirm that the stream was blacked during the loading screen. Btw ~300 vievers can confirm that, why he'd lie about it anyway. It makes no sence...
Oh and since he was playing deezer/lone I knew that the stream was not off (heard the music), so there's no reason to refresh it.
Also, the next argument lone can come up with is about sound in game, like if he heard when the drone's gonna morph into sp can't be real as well, cause protech had the music on and it was too loud, so it was not possible to hear the game sounds whatsoever.
So yeah, enjoy your aids lone, hope you'll get busted.
Just my 2 cents.
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although ProTech can be kind of crazy with his hack accusations, he's definitely right here. This Lone kid hacks. I've played him once with ProTech where he was blatantly hacking, and twice with my main ally.
Each time he counters our builds without vision, yet he still manages to lose. If I can dig up the replays, I'll post them here.
P.S. : I'm also convinced he hacks from the 2v2 with Deezer.
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On August 29 2011 04:52 TL AntiHack wrote:
I've added the Deezer/Lone replay as [NEEDS REVIEW]. We need to have a thorough and civil discussion on this replay. If you have an extra minute, please watch and throw in your 2¢.
Thank you.
Me throwing in my 2¢:
The preparation for 6pool is slightly suspicious, especially the rebuilding of the second pylon 3 times + the chronoboosted zealot which is at about the time the zerglings get spotted, but definitely not a response to seeing them (it happens simoulteanously).
What really caught my eye though was the robo bay+engi bay timing with the cloak banshee, that just seemed a little bit to perfect.
Booth of them togheter is enough to make me say that it seems that one in team Lone+Deezer has a production hack, but it's impossible to really garantuee anything. Then again I guess it will always be impossible to really catch a production hacker 100% with his pants down (compared to a maphacker, where you can see him looking at stuff through the fog of war).
Added to that suspicion is also a match recently played by Destiny vs Deezer when I watched Destiny's stream, where Deezer did a build which seemed to be archon+zealot, but then after the roach warren went down he suddenly transitioned to stalker colossi (without scouting, he hadn't even seen any creep before the 15 min mark). This could though be stream cheating as Destiny was streaming (I've also heard from watching a video on youtube from Deezer+Combatex playing 2s that Deezer uses two screens when he stream cheats, which he though claim to only do vs combatex, thus there isn't the apm drops from alt tabbing that other might have).
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On August 30 2011 13:53 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 08:48 Deceive-X17 wrote:Server: NA Your Name: EZMoto Hacker Name: Xtkq Replay: http://mmxunderground.net/replaysDownload.php?id=277Xtkq production hack, or maphack. He was at 18 probes and STILL did not even ATTEMPT to scout my base, but yet he knew 100% (ONE HUNDRED PERCENT) I was cannon rushing him. He allin'd my scouting probe with all his probes. There is no reason he should do this. If I wasn't cannon rushing, and instead 4 gating, he would of lose badly by taking his probes off his minerals that much. Viewers on coLMinigun's stream complained he hacked on same day as well. coLMinigun can confirm, and possibly give longer replay than this. edit: I rewatched the replay and he uses production hack 100%. Please look at this. How the fuck is this production hack? He has the same amount of shit as you the whole entire time (until you stop making probes cuz ur allinning). It is pretty weird that he did this, he sent a probe to the bottom of his ramp and did try really hard to kill yours, but is this the first time uve played him? He might have known ur tendencies cuz you're kinda regarded as an idiot in this game.
I never play vs him before. I think he hacks because he never sent a probe to scout me but KNEW 100% i was cannon rushing him.
And I said Production hack because I thought that meant he knews what I'm producing (forge).
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Just throwing it out there - Probe1 and I will have an "official" call tonight on Deezer/Lone.
Also, will get the rest of the thread updated in the process. Thanks everyone for watching replays and your input!
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On August 30 2011 16:45 JediGamer wrote:
Everyone playing vs EZMoto or any Moto name try to save the replay. He thought I was streaming but I turned my stream off before the game started, he still sent a probe straight to my base on a 4 player map.
If you guys remember, Moto used to make antihack maps in SC1, in SC2 a close eye needs to be on him because I personally was his friend in SC1 and he did hack.
![[image loading]](http://mmxunderground.net/images/MOTOCITY.png)
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On August 30 2011 03:06 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 00:16 Tassy wrote:On August 29 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:On August 29 2011 12:21 ProTech wrote:On August 29 2011 09:03 Telcontar wrote:
Just watched it, and looks very very suspicious to me. Nothing concrete, but I'm ~70% sure at least one of them is. Would require more replays to confirm, but looks like these guys do their best to hide it. It would be pretty difficult to definitively prove they're hacking, unless they make a huge blunder and it gets caught. Actually, this is 100% proof of hacking. The thing is, most, if not all of the suspicious activities on the replay can be attributed to pure chance. Yeah, it's more likely that they're hacking (hence the 70%), but we can't really say they're 100% doing it off of 1 replay. I've watched the other replay of Lone from earlier in this thread, and that looks very suspicious as well. I'm 90+% sure he's hacking or has hacked before, but I'm not too sure about Deezer. The guy obviously streamsnipes, but does he hack himself? Maybe he's letting Lone do all the hacking work in the 2v2s? It's hard to say for sure. What's the difference between hacking and playing with a hacker? Both results into knowing what's coming at you and should be considered as hacking. This was not in RT, but in AT, which means Deezer defenetly knew his ally was going to hack and agreed with it which should be considered as hacking I believe To be fair, playing with a hacker does not necessarily mean you know he is hacking if the guy is good at playing it in a way that simply suggests skill until exhaustive inquisition. I played with a guy in season 1 who was later confirmed to be a hacker in these TL Hacker DB threads, and I did not know he was a hacker until I saw his name here. Lone is an interesting case though. I noticed he also plays with the fake oGsNada on AM, who is in the whole Sorcery(previously confirmed hacker) crowd and has an absurd 204-17 record @ 1098 masters, so more replays on Lone would definitely be nice. I myself will look into more Deezer and GTLBaby reps. The interest in Deezer is self evident from this thread. Protech posted a bit of stuff on GTLBaby that wasn't confirmed earlier in the thread, and his sudden rise in both rating and win% a season ago had me quite impressed, but now a bit suspicious too, so I'll see if I can dig anything up there.
Grabbed some replays of Deezer that I could find, and I can't really say he is hacking. I almost wonder if he just likes picking his nose or something a lot during games, since his apm seems to often drop to 0 for a few seconds at random points throughout games (which has been mentioned before is a symptom of camera lock -> maphack). These include games where he gets caught off guard really hard, which a maphack or production hack would prevent, so either he's making an effort to not appear to be hacking, or he just isn't and enjoys to troll the shit out of people.
We'll just have to wait and see what Torenhire and Probe1 manage to dig up ~
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well to be fair Moto's all ins are very refined and well practiced. judging from that picture it seems that he made his base in jedigamers base
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On August 31 2011 06:17 BROSKEENATOR wrote:
well to be fair Moto's all ins are very refined and well practiced. judging from that picture it seems that he made his base in jedigamers base
Refined to the point where 3 games in a row on ladder he allins different opponents on 4 player maps. Someone get avilo to post his games. There is a new player, DeezerEX, seems like Deezer does the same builds, I'll upload the reps shortly.
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On August 30 2011 18:56 jahre wrote:
although ProTech can be kind of crazy with his hack accusations, he's definitely right here. This Lone kid hacks. I've played him once with ProTech where he was blatantly hacking, and twice with my main ally.
Each time he counters our builds without vision, yet he still manages to lose. If I can dig up the replays, I'll post them here.
P.S. : I'm also convinced he hacks from the 2v2 with Deezer.
I have played a lot with Lone before in team games and sometimes I've seen some suspect stuff. Now after seeing these replays I am 100% CONVINCED that he is a hacker. I don't understand why someone would hack while playing this game...must be a sad nerd.
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lone also has an alternate id named sgtofluck who has an absolutely ridicolous record on the gm ladder
edit: just checked, sgtofluck was already in season 2 database never mind
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On August 31 2011 05:23 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 03:06 EtherealDeath wrote:On August 30 2011 00:16 Tassy wrote:On August 29 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote:On August 29 2011 12:21 ProTech wrote:On August 29 2011 09:03 Telcontar wrote:
Just watched it, and looks very very suspicious to me. Nothing concrete, but I'm ~70% sure at least one of them is. Would require more replays to confirm, but looks like these guys do their best to hide it. It would be pretty difficult to definitively prove they're hacking, unless they make a huge blunder and it gets caught. Actually, this is 100% proof of hacking. The thing is, most, if not all of the suspicious activities on the replay can be attributed to pure chance. Yeah, it's more likely that they're hacking (hence the 70%), but we can't really say they're 100% doing it off of 1 replay. I've watched the other replay of Lone from earlier in this thread, and that looks very suspicious as well. I'm 90+% sure he's hacking or has hacked before, but I'm not too sure about Deezer. The guy obviously streamsnipes, but does he hack himself? Maybe he's letting Lone do all the hacking work in the 2v2s? It's hard to say for sure. What's the difference between hacking and playing with a hacker? Both results into knowing what's coming at you and should be considered as hacking. This was not in RT, but in AT, which means Deezer defenetly knew his ally was going to hack and agreed with it which should be considered as hacking I believe To be fair, playing with a hacker does not necessarily mean you know he is hacking if the guy is good at playing it in a way that simply suggests skill until exhaustive inquisition. I played with a guy in season 1 who was later confirmed to be a hacker in these TL Hacker DB threads, and I did not know he was a hacker until I saw his name here. Lone is an interesting case though. I noticed he also plays with the fake oGsNada on AM, who is in the whole Sorcery(previously confirmed hacker) crowd and has an absurd 204-17 record @ 1098 masters, so more replays on Lone would definitely be nice. I myself will look into more Deezer and GTLBaby reps. The interest in Deezer is self evident from this thread. Protech posted a bit of stuff on GTLBaby that wasn't confirmed earlier in the thread, and his sudden rise in both rating and win% a season ago had me quite impressed, but now a bit suspicious too, so I'll see if I can dig anything up there. Grabbed some replays of Deezer that I could find, and I can't really say he is hacking. I almost wonder if he just likes picking his nose or something a lot during games, since his apm seems to often drop to 0 for a few seconds at random points throughout games (which has been mentioned before is a symptom of camera lock -> maphack). These include games where he gets caught off guard really hard, which a maphack or production hack would prevent, so either he's making an effort to not appear to be hacking, or he just isn't and enjoys to troll the shit out of people. We'll just have to wait and see what Torenhire and Probe1 manage to dig up ~
Well, Deezer certainly doesn't hack 100% of the time. And apm dropping to zero is also a sign of someone switching a song or something of that sort.
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On August 31 2011 15:32 Itallion wrote:
lone also has an alternate id named sgtofluck who has an absolutely ridicolous record on the gm ladder
edit: just checked, sgtofluck was already in season 2 database never mind
Sgtofluck is not lone....and is also not in season 2 what are you saying?
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edit: never mind perseverance is a hacker
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never mind. subcooled is in the deezer, ratz, lone crowd. No wonder he's adamant on defending them haha.
Written several months ago by Subcooled.
I have to agree with what Deezer is saying here. His stream was openly removed from the stream list and was not publicly discussed and was privately resolved. From what I understand from people such as minigun and fayth, Deezer doesn't actually stream cheat just snipe which teamliquid has stated is "ok" not recommended but acceptable whereas stream cheating is not acceptable at all. Deezer's stream was removed because he is "bad mannered" which is an inconsistent decision. The streamlist is to be accurate to the growth of esports from what I personally understand. If Deezer has a fanbase that wants to watch his stream then why not allow his stream to be there?
Bolded above made me laugh very hard haha
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On August 31 2011 15:32 Itallion wrote:
lone also has an alternate id named sgtofluck who has an absolutely ridicolous record on the gm ladder
edit: just checked, sgtofluck was already in season 2 database never mind
Wrong.
Lone currently has 3 accounts
Lone
TheSituation
SecretAgent
SgtofLuck is someone else, I'm going to check season 2 right now to see if he is in fact in season 2 database.
EDIT: SgtofLuck is not in any of TL's hacker databases. Also, he has around a 70% win rate, leveling the account from bronze...that means he was like 150-0, now 250-50....100-50 vs Master/GM is pretty normal. Please get your facts together before you accuse people of cheating based on their records, Thanks.
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edit: never mind, I guess perseverance is indeed a hacker.
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