EPTThe thing is, most, if not all of the suspicious activities on the replay can be attributed to pure chance. Yeah, it's more likely that they're hacking (hence the 70%), but we can't really say they're 100% doing it off of 1 replay. I've watched the other replay of Lone from earlier in this thread, and that looks very suspicious as well. I'm 90+% sure he's hacking or has hacked before, but I'm not too sure about Deezer. The guy obviously streamsnipes, but does he hack himself? Maybe he's letting Lone do all the hacking work in the 2v2s? It's hard to say for sure.
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
The thing is, most, if not all of the suspicious activities on the replay can be attributed to pure chance. Yeah, it's more likely that they're hacking (hence the 70%), but we can't really say they're 100% doing it off of 1 replay. I've watched the other replay of Lone from earlier in this thread, and that looks very suspicious as well. I'm 90+% sure he's hacking or has hacked before, but I'm not too sure about Deezer. The guy obviously streamsnipes, but does he hack himself? Maybe he's letting Lone do all the hacking work in the 2v2s? It's hard to say for sure. | ||
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JediGamer
United States656 Posts
Also he tends to blindly go 3 gate robo blink vs 1-1-1 terrans and 2 gate expoes or FE's vs standard terrans. See: any replay available. | ||
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TwentyOneJN
United States56 Posts
Your Name: sLiPsTrEaM Hacker Name: PriDeaZnHero Replay: http://drop.sc/29785 Description: PvP. As obvious as it gets, no scout, immediate proxy pylon outside base. Countless looks at my army and buildings right as i make them. Most obvious time is @21:15 when I was going to blink in base to get some damage and move his army out of position and then blink back. He looks right at my warp-ins and warps in-base at that location. I was shocked to see he kept warping in their right after I did that I kept looking for an observer that sees it. Never found an observer which made me want to watch replay, and it was so obvious the whole replay. I also looked at his match history and messaged the guy he played before me asking him if he could watch replay to confirm my suspicion before I posted on here. He was nice and reviewed his replay, and came back with not so nice comments about that hacker and ended it with confirming that he is a definite hacker. | ||
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Mr Sleep
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AysiktiriX
358 Posts
On August 29 2011 20:17 TwentyOneJN wrote: Server: NA Your Name: sLiPsTrEaM Hacker Name: PriDeaZnHero Replay: http://drop.sc/29785 Description: PvP. As obvious as it gets, no scout, immediate proxy pylon outside base. Countless looks at my army and buildings right as i make them. Most obvious time is @21:15 when I was going to blink in base to get some damage and move his army out of position and then blink back. He looks right at my warp-ins and warps in-base at that location. I was shocked to see he kept warping in their right after I did that I kept looking for an observer that sees it. Never found an observer which made me want to watch replay, and it was so obvious the whole replay. I also looked at his match history and messaged the guy he played before me asking him if he could watch replay to confirm my suspicion before I posted on here. He was nice and reviewed his replay, and came back with not so nice comments about that hacker and ended it with confirming that he is a definite hacker. Indeed, one of the easier maphackers to confirm. | ||
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Tassy
Canada5 Posts
On August 29 2011 19:19 Telcontar wrote: The thing is, most, if not all of the suspicious activities on the replay can be attributed to pure chance. Yeah, it's more likely that they're hacking (hence the 70%), but we can't really say they're 100% doing it off of 1 replay. I've watched the other replay of Lone from earlier in this thread, and that looks very suspicious as well. I'm 90+% sure he's hacking or has hacked before, but I'm not too sure about Deezer. The guy obviously streamsnipes, but does he hack himself? Maybe he's letting Lone do all the hacking work in the 2v2s? It's hard to say for sure. What's the difference between hacking and playing with a hacker? Both results into knowing what's coming at you and should be considered as hacking. This was not in RT, but in AT, which means Deezer defenetly knew his ally was going to hack and agreed with it which should be considered as hacking I believe | ||
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Italianstallion
United States21 Posts
[QUOTE]On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote: Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: [url=http://replayfu.com/r/6T9Pgc]http://replayfu.com/r/6T9Pgc[/url] Description: Map hacking and or production tab hacking. 6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating. You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing. That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming. Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking. [/QUOTE] as for the times when i" dont do anything" easily explainable i use the razer deathhadder mouse which constantly doesnt click or stops working anyone with this mouse knows it has major issues and reliability problems...as for sending the army to the rocks everyone breaks the rocks on this map and what does it matter if u send one unit or awhole army to check on such a small shared base.... im sure 90% of the people on this thread are protechs stream viewers that he told to come here and confirm... protech seems to accuse everyone of MH especially if they have better recs then him:hes a jelous nerd as onekyhol pretty much said he a joke- he think hes a good player yet hes platinum solo and im sorry but power carries him hence why protech doesnt play solo now for my 2cents... have battle net review and scan our accounts you will see we dont hack and wont b banned however if you are going to accuse sumone i think its better if you confirm me" im not addmitting hacks i still stand tall i am legit"however i dont think its fair that you would accuse a legit person of hacks thats at the top , i dont do tours and am not a solo player at the top like deezer so i dont really care what a site like this thinks so in the end if you feel the need to confirm plz only confirm me as i dont really care cause i know the truth...that im legit...also had to say this sorry to the admins but this site is a joke it says" if[NEEDS REVIEW] we have this tag for when the TL Antihack team is unable to determine within itself if the player is hacking or not. so then they let random members vote and decide which are mainly protechs stream viewers who are obviously his fans... im disguisted in how this site catches hackers it needs some serious work.. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On August 30 2011 00:16 Tassy wrote: What's the difference between hacking and playing with a hacker? Both results into knowing what's coming at you and should be considered as hacking. This was not in RT, but in AT, which means Deezer defenetly knew his ally was going to hack and agreed with it which should be considered as hacking I believe To be fair, playing with a hacker does not necessarily mean you know he is hacking if the guy is good at playing it in a way that simply suggests skill until exhaustive inquisition. I played with a guy in season 1 who was later confirmed to be a hacker in these TL Hacker DB threads, and I did not know he was a hacker until I saw his name here. Lone is an interesting case though. I noticed he also plays with the fake oGsNada on AM, who is in the whole Sorcery(previously confirmed hacker) crowd and has an absurd 204-17 record @ 1098 masters, so more replays on Lone would definitely be nice. I myself will look into more Deezer and GTLBaby reps. The interest in Deezer is self evident from this thread. Protech posted a bit of stuff on GTLBaby that wasn't confirmed earlier in the thread, and his sudden rise in both rating and win% a season ago had me quite impressed, but now a bit suspicious too, so I'll see if I can dig anything up there. | ||
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Kaz_Coaching
United States83 Posts
Sorry but a GRANDMASTER level player who doesn't scout anything should raise eyebrows. Add to that: Probe ready and pylon block/cancel/block at ramp 3rd SCV sent Robo before any extra gateways. e-bay timing with no attempts to upgrade, while your ally is going for obs as terran with scan available. Stalkers waiting by robo so they will not be picked off earlier by banshee before obs pops out. Moving entire army to rocks, including observer. Banshee was never killed, it still poses a threat and keeping 2 stalkers + obs by your own mineral line would be standard. UNLESS you know where the banshee is, in which case there's no need to worry about the stalkers at the back and the obs should be moved with the army to confront the banshee, as happened in this game. We have multiple long pauses from lone, specifically when other things are happening on the enemy side. How can you say this is not hacking? | ||
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najreteip
Belgium4158 Posts
What is however EXTREMELY suspicious, is what Lone is doing, if you watch his pov at the 7:38'ish mark, you'll se he briefly scoots his vision to the top of his opponents' main, passing the starport with tech lab, immediately after that, he builds a turret in his mineral line (and Deezer eventually rallies an observer to his stalkers, though at that point the banshee had been revealed.) I still think it's strange that lings managed to run by twice, more or less unopposed but the banshee thing is pretty big. I think Lone is most likely hacking, but Deezer is debatable edit: Just want to add that I think this replay is not enough proof to accuse either of these players of hacking | ||
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LicH.
China235 Posts
And even though protech is a kind of shady and a bit bm,. he did call out Sorcery correctly. | ||
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Italianstallion
United States21 Posts
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Italianstallion
United States21 Posts
On August 30 2011 03:33 Gorb1 wrote: Reviewed game from Lone and Deezer. I have no affiliation with Protech and was not aware he streamed before reading this thread. Sorry but a GRANDMASTER level player who doesn't scout anything should raise eyebrows. Add to that: Probe ready and pylon block/cancel/block at ramp 3rd SCV sent Robo before any extra gateways. e-bay timing with no attempts to upgrade, while your ally is going for obs as terran with scan available. Stalkers waiting by robo so they will not be picked off earlier by banshee before obs pops out. Moving entire army to rocks, including observer. Banshee was never killed, it still poses a threat and keeping 2 stalkers + obs by your own mineral line would be standard. UNLESS you know where the banshee is, in which case there's no need to worry about the stalkers at the back and the obs should be moved with the army to confront the banshee, as happened in this game. We have multiple long pauses from lone, specifically when other things are happening on the enemy side. How can you say this is not hacking? easily my man... power comes in with 3 marines and no other agression from terran clearly a top team game player knows hes not going hellion because of the bio and when a terran has little bio no marduer its auto cloak banshee the thing is most people here are not top team game players with 7k games like myself.. when u play as much as us u realize there is a trend and strategies are easy to read and predict too bad most of u are bronzies thats why u think its hack...and for my pauses read up i said already i use a deathhadder piece crap mouse the 3500 messes up all the time and is known for issues so the pauses are simply my mouse not working anyone who plays with me knows that i bitch about my mouse not working in 80% of my games i even have 4 losses this season purely on my mouse not working | ||
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Tassy
Canada5 Posts
On August 30 2011 03:06 EtherealDeath wrote: To be fair, playing with a hacker does not necessarily mean you know he is hacking if the guy is good at playing it in a way that simply suggests skill until exhaustive inquisition. I played with a guy in season 1 who was later confirmed to be a hacker in these TL Hacker DB threads, and I did not know he was a hacker until I saw his name here. Lone is an interesting case though. I noticed he also plays with the fake oGsNada on AM, who is in the whole Sorcery(previously confirmed hacker) crowd and has an absurd 204-17 record @ 1098 masters, so more replays on Lone would definitely be nice. I myself will look into more Deezer and GTLBaby reps. The interest in Deezer is self evident from this thread. Protech posted a bit of stuff on GTLBaby that wasn't confirmed earlier in the thread, and his sudden rise in both rating and win% a season ago had me quite impressed, but now a bit suspicious too, so I'll see if I can dig anything up there. Yeah I know what you meant there, but the fact is that I had a replay of Lone up a while ago, which was already suspicious but nontheless not enough proof to be 100% that he hacked. Now this second replay protech posted.... I believe that this kind of suspicious moves happen quite too often with Lone. I see you also taked about the fake oGsNada, in fact this guy is SGTofluck which was in the 2s with Lone on my replay (and also own the account Pandemic). This guy already has a GM account as well... I must say their buisness is REALLY shady. | ||
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ProTech
United States433 Posts
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Dsn4001
Korea (South)106 Posts
On August 29 2011 19:51 JediGamer wrote: It would take me a while to fish out my games vs Deezer but basically he doesn't even scout once all game, I have an scv patrolling one side each game and he takes proxy expoes on the side that doesn't have it. Also he tends to blindly go 3 gate robo blink vs 1-1-1 terrans and 2 gate expoes or FE's vs standard terrans. See: any replay available. I've played Deezer on ladder a couple of times, but I've never had him ever blind counter me, the closest was of him going double stargate against my single stargate. In PvP, a blind counter almost always wins, and I've beaten Deezer with a DT rush and an inbase proxy pylon 4gate. These things should easily be stopped by a maphacker. Also I cannot find any replays that except for maybe a couple of Deezer that are at all suspicious, and the replays I do find that are suspicious are against known-streamers, since Deezer is known for streamsniping, that doesn't surprise me. Unless a conclusive replay of Deezer shows up, I find it hard to say that he is hacking in 1v1. The Lone/Deezer 2v2 game though is SUPER suspicious, after watching it, I cannot help but say that Lone is probably (75%) hacking. His reaction to 6pool could be understood since Protech turned off the stream after he got to see the floating of some minerals. But the army movements and later reactions are reacting to Protech's army movements. Since it is an arranged team, it is likely that Deezer knows that his teammate is hacking. Just with that I think he should be put on notice for 2v2. | ||
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Italianstallion
United States21 Posts
On August 30 2011 05:44 ProTech wrote: You stand tall Lone! This rep is 100% proof of someone hacking. u got nothing bro u turned off ur stream with no drones 100minerals so we expected a pool super early and going to the rocks is nothing ur just a jelous angry nerd and its not like this sites opinion means anything to me i just defend us because we are legit User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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InfC.AnatoLiy
United States154 Posts
Your Name: AnatoLiy Hacker Name: Codine Bnet profile Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/wQvDL Description: Was playing against Codine on Searing Crater (4 player map). First off, he didn't bother scouting, only spread 1 creeptumor to connect main to his natural and didn't bother spreading any further than that, didn't bother spreading overlords and most importantly didn't bother at any point in the game controlling the xel'naga tower. Now for the juicy stuff: + Show Spoiler + (All times listed are relative to the game clock above mini map)
2) At 3:30 he looks and follows my probe that is coming back to his main through fow. 3) At 3:59 he looks again at my choke without moving units to it through fow. 4) 4:05 intercepts my scouting probe looking for an expansion at his third. 5) 4:25-4:27 looks at my main and centers screen over my 2nd gas through fow. (Keep in mind this whole time he is looking at my base he has yet to get inside with anything). ****6) 6:02-6:05 Looks at my main and sees a chrono boosted stargate through fow. Responds immediately by laying down an evolution chamber. ****7) 8:13-8:15 Looks at my 2 void rays that are travelling to his base through fow. 8) 8:28 Looks at my expansion through fow without moving units to it. 9) 9:49-9:51 Looks at my army through fow without moving units to it. 10) 18:25-18:27 Looks at my army destroying rocks at the golden base through fow. Proceeds to immediately break his own rocks right after seeing me do it first. 11) 20:30-20:34 Looks at my base through fow before trying to harass with mutas. 12) 21:30 Looks at my choke through fow without moving units to it. 13) 22:27 Intercepts my army while watching it through fow with mutas as his lings were attacking my third. 14) 24:47 Looks at my group of stalkers at my choke through fow. Then proceeds to instead attack my third. Sad thing is, I almost won too. Was unfamiliar with the map and as I went to his most obvious third, I went the unsafe route instead of breaking rocks to get by. | ||
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Dsn4001
Korea (South)106 Posts
On August 30 2011 05:55 InfC.AnatoLiy wrote: Server: NA Your Name: AnatoLiy Hacker Name: Codine Bnet profile Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/wQvDL Description: Was playing against Codine on Searing Crater (4 player map). First off, he didn't bother scouting, only spread 1 creeptumor to connect main to his natural and didn't bother spreading any further than that, didn't bother spreading overlords and most importantly didn't bother at any point in the game controlling the xel'naga tower. Now for the juicy stuff: + Show Spoiler + (All times listed are relative to the game clock above mini map)
2) At 3:30 he looks and follows my probe that is coming back to his main through fow. 3) At 3:59 he looks again at my choke without moving units to it through fow. 4) 4:05 intercepts my scouting probe looking for an expansion at his third. 5) 4:25-4:27 looks at my main and centers screen over my 2nd gas through fow. (Keep in mind this whole time he is looking at my base he has yet to get inside with anything). ****6) 6:02-6:05 Looks at my main and sees a chrono boosted stargate through fow. Responds immediately by laying down an evolution chamber. ****7) 8:13-8:15 Looks at my 2 void rays that are travelling to his base through fow. 8) 8:28 Looks at my expansion through fow without moving units to it. 9) 9:49-9:51 Looks at my army through fow without moving units to it. 10) 18:25-18:27 Looks at my army destroying rocks at the golden base through fow. Proceeds to immediately break his own rocks right after seeing me do it first. 11) 20:30-20:34 Looks at my base through fow before trying to harass with mutas. 12) 21:30 Looks at my choke through fow without moving units to it. 13) 22:27 Intercepts my army while watching it through fow with mutas as his lings were attacking my third. 14) 24:47 Looks at my group of stalkers at my choke through fow. Then proceeds to instead attack my third. Sad thing is, I almost won too. Was unfamiliar with the map and as I went to his most obvious third, I went the unsafe route instead of breaking rocks to get by. Looking at the replay at x4 speed, I see that fog of war peeks are present. Codine is a maphacker. | ||
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