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On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Map hacking and or production tab hacking. 6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating. You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing. That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming. Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking.
Hi im Lone in our defense i would like to say the reason we expected an early pool was purely stream sniping and deezer does 3gate robo almost everygame while i mas bunkers to hold rushes the reason we thought early pool was b4 protech turned off his stream he had estimated guess here like 100minerals and no drones in production plain and simple there is not even evedence of hack here why would he make a pylon then cancel then remake if we saw how far ur lings are....
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Wasnt a regular "check the back rock", but a completely standard "send your entire army to the rock"
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What do you make of them moving to attack the lings at the back rocks the moment they get there?
thought it was suspicious but could be explained by hearing the sound of the lings attacking the rocks? or maybe not...
protech i think the totality of it favors the conclusion that they were hacking in some way, there actually was one weird FOW look where Deezer looked directly at your overlord that was near the back rocks to lone's base. that was the only strange FOW-related thing i saw all game
i wasnt very clear in what i meant earlier i meant through either way maphack or production hack the wall-off was suspicious and then the later greatly timed robo and turret makes the wall-off look even more suspicious
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Previous accusation of Lone:
(from TL antihack, page 2-3 of this thread)
Obviously now there is evidence.
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On August 29 2011 07:14 PowerDes wrote:
Wasnt a regular "check the back rock", but a completely standard "send your entire army to the rock"
I agree. It not like he sent 1 unit to the back rocks the check but sent every one of his attacking units over the second his lings started attacking the rocks
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On August 29 2011 07:05 AysiktiriX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 06:45 Probe1 wrote:
What do you make of them moving to attack the lings at the back rocks the moment they get there? Ok, then let me ask you what do you make of all the lings they got in from their main entrance (7:00 min mark - look where the protoss's army is), then look where his army was when the banshee came in - 7:20, then 8:40, again ling runby - lowered depot. You'd expect way more awareness from a maphacker. And to answer your question - they just almost cleared all the lings in their base, and then decided to check their rocks, it's just that the timing was just like this.
Check the rep at normal speed.
6:38 lone camera locks. Reason is the expo. That's why he is not aware of the lings until 6:45, when he unlocks the camera again. Take a look at his vision and his selection.
7:01 to 7:07 again his CC selected and doing nothing, although they can see the lings coming.
8:34, AGAIN in the exact second an expo gets build, he selects his CC, does nothing (although they are getting attacked AND his depo is down), and resumes at 8:39.
And they "check" the rocks with their whole army?
Doubt it.
Those 5 seconds missing every time an expo goes down and the blind counter + pylon at the beginning + ramp protection with zero vision is looking like production AND maphack with camera lock.
Edit:
He has a ton of those 5 seconds apm droping to almost zero and staying with his camera without doing anything. Right in the beginning when he decides to build his second rax, from 2:07-2:15, he stand there with his scv selected and enough money but does nothing. Reason is the lings popping in ProTech's base.
I guess if we check the whole replay at normal speed and take a look at lone's view, we will get like 30 ~5 seconds windows where he locks his vision.
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On August 29 2011 07:12 Italianstallion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Map hacking and or production tab hacking. 6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating. You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing. That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming. Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking. Hi im Lone in our defense i would like to say the reason we expected an early pool was purely stream sniping and deezer does 3gate robo almost everygame while i mas bunkers to hold rushes the reason we thought early pool was b4 protech turned off his stream he had estimated guess here like 100minerals and no drones in production plain and simple there is not even evedence of hack here why would he make a pylon then cancel then remake if we saw how far ur lings are....
pretty vague and useless answer to defend with. first of all, I just checked match history and not one game did Deezer go robo before adding a 2nd-3rd gateway. Also just pointing out that he built a pylon and canceled it shows your attempt to hide it as ProTech pointed out earlier its a pretty blatant attempt to cover up on not making it so obvious.
This is a fail defense by a hacker. Pointing out a few vague answers and failing to respond to any of the other reasons (bringing 3rd scv right as lings were approaching, sending entire army to back rocks, missle turret immediately after banshee production)
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Btw the other replay of lone posted on page 1 has similar occurrences.
Take a look at 13:06-13:12.
Drop leaves at ~13 minutes. He looks at his hatch, apm drop, and altough his teammate is also uploading and they are in no way "containing" the enemy, as he stated, he takes all of his units to his ally's base (not even 1 unit to protect his base) and even sets his rally to the incoming drop location.
There are several more 5 seconds-windows where his apm drops AGAIN. E.g. cyber-core timing, tank-upgrade timing, blink timing.
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looks like maphacking to me based on the evidences posted.
Now i'm not sure if its one or both of them hacking though.
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If you think a rock is being broken down, one would think you send one unit to check it out rather than sending a full fledged army to prepare for the breakdown...
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Also why would you suddenly feel the need to chrono the zealot that early in preparation for what?? There was absolutely 0 scouting and if ProTech send he turned off the stream then that's some shady business going around
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On August 29 2011 08:07 jumplee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 07:12 Italianstallion wrote:On August 29 2011 04:13 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: Lone / RatZDeeZer Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/6T9PgcDescription: Map hacking and or production tab hacking. 6 Pool goes down, they haven't scouted the base. Deezer puts a pylon at the front of the choke to block the lings cancels the pylon for no apparent reason ( probably because it would look like cheating / hacking. ) Waits for the lings to get in vision and then drops the pylon again. Obvious hacking / cheating. You'll also notice that I stream 100% of my games, but because it was deezer we que'd against, I blacked my stream, and you hear Lone say in the game " Omfg black screen? Nerd " So that's proof that I blacked my stream before this game started knowing who we were playing. That being said this replay is 100% proof of them either 1) Lone hacking, or 2) Deezer hacking I can't be sure cause they might be using skype or something and lone might just be telling deezer what's coming. Either way, this replay is 100% solid proof that one of these players are hacking. Hi im Lone in our defense i would like to say the reason we expected an early pool was purely stream sniping and deezer does 3gate robo almost everygame while i mas bunkers to hold rushes the reason we thought early pool was b4 protech turned off his stream he had estimated guess here like 100minerals and no drones in production plain and simple there is not even evedence of hack here why would he make a pylon then cancel then remake if we saw how far ur lings are.... pretty vague and useless answer to defend with. first of all, I just checked match history and not one game did Deezer go robo before adding a 2nd-3rd gateway. Also just pointing out that he built a pylon and canceled it shows your attempt to hide it as ProTech pointed out earlier its a pretty blatant attempt to cover up on not making it so obvious. This is a fail defense by a hacker. Pointing out a few vague answers and failing to respond to any of the other reasons (bringing 3rd scv right as lings were approaching, sending entire army to back rocks, missle turret immediately after banshee production)
I confirmed this as well, not once in 2v2 has he added a robo before gates.
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What's funny to me is - when it's about reviewing any other replays, all you people don't bother to take a look and give an opinion, but instead - 1 replay of deezer and like 5-10 come up and are like "yes, he did it, he is the killer". I said my 2 cents - possible production hack(but weak evidence), no maphack. The antihack team will decide in the end, it's poinless all of you to spam the thread.
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Just watched it, and looks very very suspicious to me. Nothing concrete, but I'm ~70% sure at least one of them is. Would require more replays to confirm, but looks like these guys do their best to hide it. It would be pretty difficult to definitively prove they're hacking, unless they make a huge blunder and it gets caught.
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Actually I'm encouraging this as long as it remains civil. I've also requested Deezer be allowed to register for 24 hours to post himself (though I doubt that will happen).
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On August 29 2011 09:04 Probe1 wrote:
Actually I'm encouraging this as long as it remains civil. I've also requested Deezer be allowed to register for 24 hours to post himself (though I doubt that will happen).
haha probe, yeah he prob won't show
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On August 29 2011 09:03 Telcontar wrote:
Just watched it, and looks very very suspicious to me. Nothing concrete, but I'm ~70% sure at least one of them is. Would require more replays to confirm, but looks like these guys do their best to hide it. It would be pretty difficult to definitively prove they're hacking, unless they make a huge blunder and it gets caught.
Actually, this is 100% proof of hacking.
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only an idiot wouldnt check the bak rocks after a 6p....
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On August 29 2011 08:20 rouzga wrote:
Btw the other replay of lone posted on page 1 has similar occurrences.
Take a look at 13:06-13:12.
Drop leaves at ~13 minutes. He looks at his hatch, apm drop, and altough his teammate is also uploading and they are in no way "containing" the enemy, as he stated, he takes all of his units to his ally's base (not even 1 unit to protect his base) and even sets his rally to the incoming drop location.
There are several more 5 seconds-windows where his apm drops AGAIN. E.g. cyber-core timing, tank-upgrade timing, blink timing.
This is exactly why i think protech is right. and i dont even like protech. but he's in the right on this one. this exact moment sold me. his reasoning doesn't hold up.
now you are anonymously taunting protech lone. ;-/.
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It's hard to believe protech when he accuses everyone of wrong doing, the guy's a joke.
I have not watched the replay so I don't have an opinion of whether the guys hack. What I do know is these guys are the definition of scum and I would say they are candidates. They don't have the morals to be respectful and play the game straight up, so it's plausible.
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