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Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 08:53:51
July 29 2011 08:51 GMT
#21
Someone makes a well put together thread to discuss an interesting subject, and just because it's not raising SC2 up on a golden pedestal and raining praise all over it, people come in just to shit all over the thread. Typical.

Not saying I agree or disagree with his opinions, but you guys could at least discuss them in an intelligent fashion rather than the predictable ragefest at someone who thinks that the game could be improved in some way than its current state.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 08:51:41
July 29 2011 08:51 GMT
#22
So in the end you are saying that the game is not hard enough due to smart casting and will therefore fail as an eSport? I cannot agree as the game is still young, it is still changing and growing, and with the advent of smart casting and other automations, this means that eventually other aspects of the game will become more and more important such as overall tactics and strategy instead of just control. I think the game will become harder and harder and instead of mechanics being as emphasized, insight and study will become strong.
Overall we all feel that the skill cap has not been topped yet and I do not think that it will be for awhile to come.
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lcl
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom119 Posts
July 29 2011 08:51 GMT
#23
everything about this article is terrible - from your spelling to the content to your complete lack of any evidence for anything you said.
The more I practise the more luck I seem to have
DueSs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States765 Posts
July 29 2011 08:51 GMT
#24
On July 29 2011 17:41 thehitman wrote:
As it is right now I can place the perfect storms and perfect fungal growths as good as any pro player can and a lot of times even better.


Then you should be a pro. Unless.. maybe.. perhaps.. there is more to the game than castings.. maybe?


Going to have to respectfully disagree with about everything you said. Sorry.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50861 Posts
July 29 2011 08:51 GMT
#25
What the?

SC2 is considered an Esport.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Comogury
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States412 Posts
July 29 2011 08:52 GMT
#26
I think the title is a little stupid. This is essentially saying that smart casting makes the game take less skill. Then you go on to say that it makes it less exciting. Therefore SC2 can't be an e-sport? I don't really know why that's the only thing you're taking into consideration when there are plenty of other things that can potentially make SC2 not as exciting, thus leading it to fail as an e-sport. But then again SC2 is a competitive video game, and that's literally all you need to be labeled as an e-sport.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
July 29 2011 08:52 GMT
#27
SC2 is already a bigger e-sport outside Korea than BW ever will.
Rotcod
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom138 Posts
July 29 2011 08:52 GMT
#28
STARCRAFT 2 IS EPIC. Its also an esport, soooooooo dont really get your point. At all.
Roqshu
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 08:53:19
July 29 2011 08:52 GMT
#29
Wow, you've wasted a lot of time, writing something completly irrelevant. :D
And, like said before: SC2 is already an Esport.
Just because SC had worse mechanics than SC2 doesn't mean it was more challenging. It's like saying: "Watching football back in the days was more entertaining, because the TV only supported Black & White instead of colours and high def."
motumbo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States130 Posts
July 29 2011 08:53 GMT
#30
Please never again.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
July 29 2011 08:53 GMT
#31
Did I just enter a discussion from a year ago? Silly topic is silly. Blizzard isn't going to undo all the balance work they've done over the past year to do remove a feature they put in for a reason. Terrible title also since SC2 is, by definition, already an e-sport.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
July 29 2011 08:53 GMT
#32
Sounds like BW was all races being OP, which is a weird kind of balance in itself O.o
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
July 29 2011 08:53 GMT
#33
Is this one of the few opportunities to treat a BW player the way Sc2 players get treated in the BW forum? Regardless, your critique leaves me unmoved to say the least, Sc2 is already an e-sport and to suggest that smart casting is somehow a key factor in its eventual downfall is insane.
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Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
July 29 2011 08:54 GMT
#34
Remove smartcasting, buff spells. Fuck yeah.
My strategy is to fork people.
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
July 29 2011 08:54 GMT
#35
I dont understand how the title can be "SC2 cant be an esport" when it already is... ?

Aren't there pro players / tournaments / hundreds of thousands of dollars being circulated due to the existance of SC2 as an esport ?

This is like Golf or Hockey will never be a sport, when they already are. I am confused.
FreshDumbledore
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria57 Posts
July 29 2011 08:56 GMT
#36
Get over it plox
im rich biaaaatch :D
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 08:57:48
July 29 2011 08:56 GMT
#37
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50861 Posts
July 29 2011 08:57 GMT
#38
On July 29 2011 17:53 KimJongChill wrote:
Sounds like BW was all races being OP, which is a weird kind of balance in itself O.o


actually yes,all races are OP in BW...Everything is OP lol.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Zhalad
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia231 Posts
July 29 2011 08:57 GMT
#39
OP is a troll.....

User was warned for this post
SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 08:59:14
July 29 2011 08:57 GMT
#40
He did it. He single-handedly ruined esports! damn you sir!

alright guys, go home, we had a good ride. the laughs, the excitement, even a few tears (mainly induced from nestea... and mainly artosis' tears), but it looks like in the end smart cast killed esports. Everyone was just tired of approaching the enigma of being right and wrong at the same time so we just cut it all off

Edit: also, don't bash the bee dub, cause most of those guys are quite lovely people. only op is douche
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