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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 29 2011 19:49 karpo wrote: I really don't know. It's the same old regurgitation of arguments seen over and over again yet as long as it's shitting on SC2 it seems ok. Shitting on BW on the other hand... i agree, but thats just the way it is 'round these parts | ||
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Seditary
Australia7033 Posts
I don't think you've convinced me. Oh and as an aside, making something more difficult to do does not reduce the effectiveness of it when done. To celebrate this thread, I'm going to watch nanashin's stream and forget I ever spent time here. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On July 29 2011 19:51 SoSexy wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but whats the difference between a smartcast and a normal cast? Smart casting: 1: allows you to cast even while having non-cast units or other cast units selected 2: it always cast with the caster closest to the target and only uses one spell at a time No smart casting: 1: you have to individually select one type of caster to be able to caster its spells 2: if you have more that two (say high templars) selected with more than 75 energy, both high templars will cast their storm. (You can do some nifty magic boxing for multiple caster selection to be effective, but that's quite difficult) | ||
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Stropheum
United States1124 Posts
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ProxyZooZ
United States53 Posts
On July 29 2011 20:01 lu_cid wrote: Smart casting refers to the ability to hold shift and spam cast a spell all over your opponent's army, whereas without it you typically individually select casters. In other words without smart casting it takes gosu micro just to use spell casters to their full potential. which is archaic and totally true (god bless bw and fk it to hell) | ||
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Baz
United Kingdom289 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
difficulty of entry is irrelevant its the skill ceiling that matters. all this talk about smart casting and stuff is a waste of time | ||
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Hammer442
Australia749 Posts
On July 29 2011 19:58 legaton wrote: SC2 can't be an e-sports because there's no really talented "e-athletes". What surprises me the most from the SC2 scene (and i follow it alot) is the lack of talent of the player pool. We are still seeing the same washed-up ex-proamateurs from Broodwar. Most of today's pros were B+/A+ amateurs from the ICCup server. That means that they were consistently beaten by 12 years old koreans from the Brain server. Another bunch of the players came from Warcraft 3, even if they were slightly better, they still were a level below Korea (except for Grubby or ToD). What surprises and worries me the most, is how little new talent SC2 has: Vibe? Destiny? A handful other players? People keeps saying SC2 already is an e-sports when it hasn't been able to nurture new pros. You just have the old BW bunch trying to live the life they couldn't had with BW (see Idra). And what about Korea? They certainly have lots and lots of talent there. But BW still is the most popular and prestigious game in South-Korea. SC2 has a smaller pool. And the pool of player is not growing, it's becoming smaller as there's little support for SC2 in Korea. Haven't you realized that GomTV runs thanks to foreigner money? Sponsors for BW are all Koreans. Sponsors for SC2 are foreign companies with small subsidaries in South Korea. Viewers are also foreign. They have made wonders for the foreign viewers, and i thank them for that. But it also means they see the foreign scene as the only market they can develop. Most coaches and koreans players alredy said it: there's not enough tournaments to support the korean scene. That means that we are going to see less new talent from Korea. Koreans have admitted themselves that the foreigners can be just as good and that it is merely the strict training regimes that has set Koreans apart for so long. So many people just seem to think if SC2 isn't widely accepted in Korea it will never have major success. With team houses starting up in the US and EU anything is possible, alot of money is being poured in to the foreigner scene and it is entirely possible for it to eventually overtake the Korean scene. You make it sound like nothing is possible in SC without Koreans which is not the case, just the methods that they use are needed, which can be taken from any dedicated athlete from any sport. | ||
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AcrosstheSky
United States237 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
1. One less thing to focus on mechanically so that you can raise the bar in other categories such as Build-order, strats, multi-tactical plays. 2. If it is easier to do because of smart casting, then the opposite side of the coin becomes harder, defending against it. Also, your argument that SC2 as a sport will fail because of this is just silly and does not hold water. | ||
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Coolwhip
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
It can't be an e-sport because of a simplified casting system? Hate to break the big news to you buddy, but it already is an e-sport. In fact, much simpler and faaaar less challenging games already are e-sports. Heck, Trackmania is an e-sport. COD is an e-sport. This OP is stupid. | ||
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ProxyZooZ
United States53 Posts
On July 29 2011 20:07 turdburgler wrote: you learn to walk before you can even talk and yet running is the number 1 sport at the olympics difficulty of entry is irrelevant its the skill ceiling that matters. all this talk about smart casting and stuff is a waste of time its like saying we should have lisps to make the games better .. guess fking what ... i have a lisp and i talk fine ... and any decent pro would cast just fine w/ or w/out smart cast (basically you are talking about regular players and how they will play) True That turdburgler | ||
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-Strider-
Mexico1605 Posts
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Willes
Germany199 Posts
On July 29 2011 20:12 TheAmazombie wrote: It just astounds me that some people think that just because one certain part of the game might be "easier" to do, that it means that the game is "easier" or that the skill cap is lower. To me it just means that is either: 1. One less thing to focus on mechanically so that you can raise the bar in other categories such as Build-order, strats, multi-tactical plays. 2. If it is easier to do because of smart casting, then the opposite side of the coin becomes harder, defending against it. Also, your argument that SC2 as a sport will fail because of this is just silly and does not hold water. This. The topicposter should look for the definition of sport and "e-sport" first before posting. | ||
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exog
Norway279 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
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