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Nomad-
Profile Joined February 2011
119 Posts
July 02 2011 12:50 GMT
#1
How am i supposed to deal with this mass blue flame hellion/ mass thor build. They just turtle off 2 base for a long time while harassing with hellions. I just go mass roach against this because obviously zergling/ banelings are worthless vs hellions and mutas are wrthless vs 5+ thors. So by the time they come out to take their third base they have so many thors that i cant kill them even with 200 supply of roaches. They just move out and kill all my bases and i have no way to kill their army. I'm so confused as to what to do.

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LemonyTang
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom428 Posts
July 02 2011 12:52 GMT
#2
You could try neural parasiting the thors, do you have a replay of a game like this?

If you put down some spines that can help counter hellion harass as well.
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Nomad-
Profile Joined February 2011
119 Posts
July 02 2011 12:56 GMT
#3
On July 02 2011 21:52 LemonyTang wrote:
You could try neural parasiting the thors, do you have a replay of a game like this?

If you put down some spines that can help counter hellion harass as well.


Yeah i do put down spines. But he has like 10+ thors, how can i nueral all of them before all ym infestors get targeted by hellions.


Sorry how do you upload a replay on to tlnet??
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8186 Posts
July 02 2011 12:57 GMT
#4
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113479

or http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187808

or http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=terran mech
Carush
Profile Joined June 2011
United States356 Posts
July 02 2011 12:59 GMT
#5
On July 02 2011 21:50 Nomad- wrote:
How am i supposed to deal with this mass blue flame hellion/ mass thor build. They just turtle off 2 base for a long time while harassing with hellions. I just go mass roach against this because obviously zergling/ banelings are worthless vs hellions and mutas are wrthless vs 5+ thors. So by the time they come out to take their third base they have so many thors that i cant kill them even with 200 supply of roaches. They just move out and kill all my bases and i have no way to kill their army. I'm so confused as to what to do.

in my experience as a former meching terran mech is actually awful against zerg, if they are going thor hellion infestors neural parasite RAPES thors and fungal growth RAPES hellions and then the roaches clean up the rest

if they are going more tank heavy it's going to take a long time for the tank count to get scary enough to where terran can push out and by that time you should be set with broodlords which are amazing against heavy tank play

as a terran player i've completely given up on pure mech i just dont think it's as good as biomech or marine tank

p.s. counter attacks with roaches are really good against mech aswell
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
July 02 2011 12:59 GMT
#6
Replay, roaches and infestors with neural parasite into broodlords is the compositiion I'd go for.
I think esports is pretty nice.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
July 02 2011 13:00 GMT
#7
While talking about mech, how to deal with Siege/Viking as Protoss? My friend was P in our 2v2 against a mech terran and bio terran (I was T, going biomech) and, of course, he lost his colossus void to siege viking

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Nomad-
Profile Joined February 2011
119 Posts
July 02 2011 13:00 GMT
#8
On July 02 2011 21:57 Excludos wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113479

or http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187808

or http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=terran mech


Seriously, its a forum, its meant for posting threads. Jesus. Just because someone asked a question similar, doesn't mean no one can ever ask a question to do with it ever again.
YipCraft
Profile Joined July 2011
United States216 Posts
July 02 2011 13:04 GMT
#9
2 base for a long time? only hellion harassment? Spines, roaches, mass expand it seems. You can at least be at 4 base and make a killer roach/infestor/spire tech into muta or brood lord. Sounds like you just didn't answer the harassment problem as you should. You need to practice how to shut down harassment IMO.
Nomad-
Profile Joined February 2011
119 Posts
July 02 2011 13:07 GMT
#10
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/7763

Heres's the replay. Yh seems like the consensus is to go roach infestor and use neural vs thors and fungal vs hellions. I guess i can take more bases if there turtling really hard. Thanks guys. Any more feedback is greatly appreciated.
Nomad-
Profile Joined February 2011
119 Posts
July 02 2011 13:08 GMT
#11
On July 02 2011 22:04 AWOT wrote:
2 base for a long time? only hellion harassment? Spines, roaches, mass expand it seems. You can at least be at 4 base and make a killer roach/infestor/spire tech into muta or brood lord. Sounds like you just didn't answer the harassment problem as you should. You need to practice how to shut down harassment IMO.


Yeah i do deal with the hellion harass okay. I put spines and leave 1 or 2 roaches at each base.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8186 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 13:13:33
July 02 2011 13:12 GMT
#12
On July 02 2011 22:00 Nomad- wrote:
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On July 02 2011 21:57 Excludos wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113479

or http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187808

or http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=terran mech


Seriously, its a forum, its meant for posting threads. Jesus. Just because someone asked a question similar, doesn't mean no one can ever ask a question to do with it ever again.


Because there are several thousand people on this forum every day. If each and every one made a new thread every time they had question, this forum would be a clusterfuck after a very very short time. Especially when the question has been asked a million (litterarly) times before, AND there are spesific threads for simple questions and answers

EDIT: at least attach a replay. 90% of the time people ask something like "I have trouble with vs this", when the truth is that they are missing several other key aspects of the game they might not know themself.
eu.exodus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa1186 Posts
July 02 2011 13:28 GMT
#13
terran player here.

I go thor hellion off 3 base.

I lose to bling roach infestor with np and fungal.

Or mass roach quick remax with broodlords

ps dont bite the hand that feeds
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Ikkuh
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands170 Posts
July 02 2011 13:34 GMT
#14
lingmutabaneling also works, because helions die so quickly to banelings you can chase the helions away with your banelings while your lings and mutas team up vs the thors (its the way idra deals with this too)
Mali__Slon
Profile Joined October 2010
Senegal163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 14:19:10
July 02 2011 14:18 GMT
#15
On July 02 2011 22:34 Ikkuh wrote:
lingmutabaneling also works, because helions die so quickly to banelings you can chase the helions away with your banelings while your lings and mutas team up vs the thors (its the way idra deals with this too)


This is completely wrong. When i see zerg going for this you can see big smile on my face, i have already won. Hellions are faster than banelings and mutas cant deal with high thor count.

Your best bet is roaches and infestors with NP. This really rapes thor/hellion. Just be sure to NP only half of thors, more than that is contraproductive.
Overswarm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States62 Posts
July 02 2011 16:15 GMT
#16
Don't bother with neural parasite. It doesn't work as well as it should.

Instead, just make a ton of infested terrans and cast one fungal on the thors. The thors are too slow to run away, and you are able to kill every single one of them with your infested Terrans. Your roaches should be able to clean up the rest.
Mali__Slon
Profile Joined October 2010
Senegal163 Posts
July 02 2011 16:19 GMT
#17
On July 03 2011 01:15 Overswarm wrote:
Don't bother with neural parasite. It doesn't work as well as it should.

Instead, just make a ton of infested terrans and cast one fungal on the thors. The thors are too slow to run away, and you are able to kill every single one of them with your infested Terrans. Your roaches should be able to clean up the rest.


What? Which league are you? Another piece of bad advice. Just disregard this. Infested terrans are light, they die easily to BF hellions. NP is your best friend.

And why for god sake FG on thors? From what do I run? Thor has 400 hp and is really slow. I really want him dealing as much damage as it can, instead of moving him around and wasting all potential damage.
Huggerz
Profile Joined May 2011
Great Britain919 Posts
July 02 2011 16:23 GMT
#18
Roach infestor with armor upgrades into Ultralisks, by the time he maxes you should have hive done. This sort of thread can lead to a ban though I think...
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Genome852
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States979 Posts
July 02 2011 16:42 GMT
#19
On July 03 2011 01:23 Huggerz wrote:
Roach infestor with armor upgrades into Ultralisks, by the time he maxes you should have hive done. This sort of thread can lead to a ban though I think...


This is right. Roach infestor is pretty much the only way to deal with hellions and a critical mass of thors. And you need NP.

Once the main and nat start mining out Z will get an advantage in that the immobility if thors makes defending outlying expansions much harder, so counterattacks on those expos become more effective.
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
July 02 2011 16:42 GMT
#20
Go check out the GSL, mech is a really big thing in Korea right now amongst the terrans, and there is alot of examples of pro-players pulling them apart.

The general them with zerg seems to be use of the infestor for a infestor-roach attack with neural, or infestor-muta-ling (with neural)
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Mali__Slon
Profile Joined October 2010
Senegal163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 18:22:31
July 02 2011 18:22 GMT
#21
Here is a good replay of mine that shows how to deal with thor/hellion, via roach/infestor, diamond level:

http://replayfu.com/download/wX8fNj
Bonesy
Profile Joined May 2010
United States101 Posts
July 02 2011 18:29 GMT
#22
Roach/infestor with NP and FG works well as suggested above. If he turtles on 2 bases, you are golden. Get a 3rd and a 4th and get ultras or Broodlords. As a mech terran, I think ultras are a little tougher to deal with. Once zerg gets to hive tech, it's a much tougher game, so if you see a turtling terran, get there asap and he will have loads of problems.
pangshai
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Chinatown5333 Posts
July 02 2011 21:05 GMT
#23
you clearly haven't read the strategy forum stickies
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