EPTedit: I think that no matter what is going on accidents will happen and people are going to die because of it if the government shuts something down then other problems will pop up. SHIT HAPPENS
The Price of a Human Life in Terms of Alcohol - Page 3
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splcer
United States166 Posts
edit: I think that no matter what is going on accidents will happen and people are going to die because of it if the government shuts something down then other problems will pop up. SHIT HAPPENS | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
What the world needs is a great Japanese invention called a daiko. It's a taxi for you and your car - the taxi has two drivers in it. One drives your car behind the taxi, making sure your drunk self and your car gets home safely and legally. Works fine here, along with a practically zero alcohol tolerance for driving - seriously, you get banned and fined and face prison if you have a sip of alcohol before getting into a car. And considering the drinking culture here, with people regularly passed out on the streets on a weekend, they seem to be dealing well with drink-driving. People just need to stop being dicks. | ||
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
X number of people drive cars, Y number of people die from car related incidents. Should we ban cars? We can continue this line of thinking until almost everything we own gets banned. It's a flawed idea. Instead, people should be allowed to do whatever they want to themselves, as long as they don't hurt others. If you hurt other people, then you're punished for it. Don't preemptively punish the majority just because a small minority is irresponsible. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
instead of prohibiting people from doing something, education should enforce how one can become responsible of their actions. however, this doesn't get through many people and thats where it leads to unfortunate events. i'll compare it to racism. a lot has changed since the 60's in the US, though racism is still around, it surely isn't as bad. like so, i think its more important to teach people how to think before acting, common sense, critical thinking, being in other person's shoes, etc. at heart we humans are barbaric, better educational infrastructure could improve the rate of us being civilized. its bad to take away something that majority enjoy and its the minority that fcks it up (this apply to MANY things). sometimes we have to get the good with the bad, we should try to get the least amount of bad and not give all of it up. | ||
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Tenz
Australia106 Posts
People need to stop using Alcohol as an excuse for their behaviors, it's their own fault for not being able to control themselves and I 100% agree it is unfair that these people cause the harm of others through accidents but I'd rather see drunk drivers hung or shot than having my freedoms even more restricted by a nanny government. *edit The person above me probably summed it up better than my anger  | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
But as the case is, if someone says, "if you stop drinking now you have a 0.001% chance of saving a life, and you are guaranteed to cost liquor store owners, restaurant owners, etc. thousands - or even tens of thousands - of dollars that you would have spent on liquor over the course of your life"...not happening. | ||
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mints
United States120 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:45 Atasu wrote: Alcohol causes so many problems, to the point were I ask my self has man lost all common sense? Its worthless and I can never see my self drinking it, those who get pleasure out of it are in denial. Hey lets drink poison...seriously... Have you ever gotten home from an 8 hour shift, kick back on the couch and open a cold one? Have you ever watched the game with a beer on Superbowl Sunday with your family and friends? It's the most relaxing thing in the world. Yes there are idiots that abuse it to the extent of riots and such but seriously, moderation is always key in everything you consume. | ||
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Homework
United States283 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:05 Geo.Rion wrote: Addressed it? Like, he stated the US did it, this is hardly addressing it Regardless of this, i voted no. Where did he address it? The point of the entire post is addressing the worth of prohibition. he says specifically in it: And yet, Americans tried banning alcohol in the 1920's, and Prohibition was eventually revoked because of wide-spread disregard for the law. Which is essentially saying that prohibition doesn't work. Which is why I say that MangoTango's post isn't "WINNNNN" when he is repeating what the guy already said in his post. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:42 N3rV[Green] wrote: I don't drink already and believe alcohol to be one of the worst things in our culture today. It destroys the ability to think properly or have control over your own body, and there is actual proof to back it up. It rips people apart, ruins lives, kills people by use alone (that liver can only take so much, you only have the one), is a factor a crime, sexual badshitingeneral, ALL SORTS of messed up shit come from that stupid worthless drug. Seriously, why drink when you can just smoke a bowl? Nobody's ever smoked a bowl, and then gone and beaten his wife, nobody has died or killed somebody while significantly impaired driving while baked, nobody has died from toking, and so many other things.....Really now that I think about it, the only time anybody EVER dies because of weed is because it's illegal and it's a part of the criminal world. I highly doubt alcohol is the worst thing in our culture. I'd rate religion and tobacco over it any day. Tobacco kills way way way way way more people than alcohol, and it's probably one of the worse deaths, as if you die purely by smoking (in most cases it just cuts off 15 years or so of your life and you die by a heart attack or something), you're basically slowly strangling yourself to death over years of using. Smoking weed isn't quite as nice if you wanna get pumped up and go out partying.. You'd just sit back in your sofa and chill.. No more babies would be born, and the world would collapse. There are afaik no statistics on how many car accidents have been marijuana related, but I'd like to see your source for that statement. You need to smoke about 4 pounds to overdose and die, so you got that part right atleast. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:12 Gnial wrote: I might give up drinking if it meant less deaths...but ultimately it comes down to how many less deaths. If someone came to me and said, "if you stop drinking now, you have a 10% chance to save a life"...I would do it unless I REALLY didn't like the life. But as the case is, if someone says, "if you stop drinking now you have a 0.001% chance of saving a life, and you are guaranteed to cost liquor store owners, restaurant owners, etc. thousands - or even tens of thousands - of dollars that you would have spent on liquor over the course of your life"...not happening. ...that would instead be spent in equal amount to other businesses. The money doesn't simply disappear. What about all the money the liquor store owners, restaurant owners, etc., take from other businesses? It's a net gain of zero. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Alcohol isn't the enabler of this behavior. Humans do not turn into Mr. Hyde after drinking. Yes, alcoholism impairs judgement but it only allows behaviors that would have otherwise been repressed. They were still there. Very seldom is alcohol the only or a major reason for the stupidity and callous disregard for humanity of some people, especially those described here. | ||
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BoilingHell
Canada98 Posts
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GertHeart
United States631 Posts
My parents taught us not to drink and drive at a young age and they said if they ever had even 1 beer or one little bit of alcohol and they wanted to go driving for any reason, that we are to hide the keys and not allow it, even if it is over the "legal limit." Murder happens when people are sober too, what do we take away to remove murder? Murder rates for 16,442. Within the Western world, nearly 90% of all murders are committed by males, with males also being the victims of 74.6% of murders Order of most common reasons people are murdered. #1: The domestic argument #2: No apparent motive #3: Money #4: Revenge #5: Alcohol and drugs I got this from many sites. Alcohol is the 5th most common reason, but money is 3rd, so maybe we should ban money while we are at banning alcohol. How about marriage, we should only procreate when necessary instead? How about in 1960 the US population was about 180 million and now in 2011 it's about 365-380 million? People need to stop other things for their crimes, there are times when we all commit crimes unintentionally, or intentionally and are fine with it, maybe people download music, which is a crime in most countries, and you listen to copywritten music which you shouldn't and is illegal, and you are fined for up to $100,000 USD if caught(Haven't heard a case of this happening but it is the fine.) To conclude, no Alcohol should not be made illegal. Because it's the individuals who commit the crimes in most cases. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
Edit : On a serious note, I don't believe removing freedoms in general is a good idea just because less people would be hurt. | ||
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Thingdo
United States186 Posts
Despite that, I voted yes in the poll. I would give up drinking if it meant less deaths, but only if I knew for certain that it would mean less deaths. As it is, I don't really think it would. What I think is that drunk driving laws should be more severe. Not necessarily prison time, but things like having your license revoked. If someone does it again despite that, then I think prison time is acceptable because the person refuses to stop endangering other people's lives and I don't want him/her on the street until he/she learns better. | ||
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ZergOwaR
Norway280 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:45 Atasu wrote: Alcohol causes so many problems, to the point were I ask my self has man lost all common sense? Its worthless and I can never see my self drinking it, those who get pleasure out of it are in denial. Hey lets drink poison...seriously... man i hope you dont drink soda.. like cola, sprite, pepsi.. whatever.. cause then you wouldnt be drinking poison.. you'd be drinking acid  | ||
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
We have to live with death every day and the restriction of alcohol use would probably promote other dangerous behavior. I am not saying alcohol is a good thing, because it is definitely not, but it does have it's uses in moderating society. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:33 ZergOwaR wrote: man i hope you dont drink soda.. like cola, sprite, pepsi.. whatever.. cause then you wouldnt be drinking poison.. you'd be drinking acid Not only acid, but acid infused with poisonous gas. Edit : Also while we're making fun of that post: acid infused with poisonous gas and phenylalanine, a non-digestible sweetening additive that can cross the blood brain barrier as a painkiller and antidepressant. How's that soda taste? | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:42 N3rV[Green] wrote: I don't drink already and believe alcohol to be one of the worst things in our culture today. It destroys the ability to think properly or have control over your own body, and there is actual proof to back it up. It rips people apart, ruins lives, kills people by use alone (that liver can only take so much, you only have the one), is a factor a crime, sexual badshitingeneral, ALL SORTS of messed up shit come from that stupid worthless drug. Seriously, why drink when you can just smoke a bowl? Nobody's ever smoked a bowl, and then gone and beaten his wife, nobody has died or killed somebody while significantly impaired driving while baked, nobody has died from toking, and so many other things.....Really now that I think about it, the only time anybody EVER dies because of weed is because it's illegal and it's a part of the criminal world. Just saying, I can drive quite well when intoxicated (to be fair, I've only driven smashed ONCE, and that was at 2AM on sidestreets so I never had to worry about other cars), yet I am an utterly terrible driver when baked. I mean I slam on the brakes at random times, feel like I'm going to crash into every car, it's really weird. I refuse to drive high because every time I have I've almost gotten into an accident. | ||
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