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piegasm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States266 Posts
June 16 2011 10:00 GMT
#81
And how many people would die as a result of crimes related to attempting to acquire/consume illegal alcohol?
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 16 2011 10:03 GMT
#82
The overall point I want to stress is I'm not giving up something so others do not die. I'm giving up something so others are not killed by being irresponsible.



Even at that, if you drink and drive or drink and riot or drink and drink until you OD, if you cannot drink surely you'll find a new way to put yourself and others in harm for a good time.
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dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
June 16 2011 10:08 GMT
#83
I don't even see the connection between people drinking alcohol and drunk people causing deadly accidents. Really, there is no connection, if you're an idiot you'll still be an idiot even without the alcohol and I hope you die at the moment you run your car over someone else while under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
June 16 2011 10:13 GMT
#84
I wonder how many lives we could save by illegalizing:

-driving
-skiing
-eating fast food
-biking
-martial arts
-swimming
-walking on icy sidewalks
-construction work (we'll have to live in thatched huts)
-having sex past age 65
-candy
-the profession of dentistry (high suicide rate among dentists- we don't need them anyway since sweet foods are now outlawed)
-eating any food that hasn't been ground into a fine paste to prevent choking

You're really onto something big, op.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
June 16 2011 10:13 GMT
#85
same reason cigs , video games, tv , junk foood isnt banned.
u can look at the righteousness of it all ,but in the end it all comes back to
MONEYYYYYYYYY
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Dazer
Profile Joined September 2010
239 Posts
June 16 2011 10:19 GMT
#86
So the logic is that if I give up alcohol, people won't die because of irresponsible causes?

Assuming that banning alcohol would mean that less people would abuse is soooooooooooo naive.

I grew up in Vietnam and I've been enjoying alcoholic drinks since I was 8ish. Never do I really care about abusing alcohol to impress others because it's just something everyone does so banning alcohol might even be extremely counter-productive.

For example, abusing taking a shower will likely cause hypothermia and lead to insurmountable death because water is so readily available to developed countries. However, taking a shower is completely legal so no one have the urge to abuse it because there's no +peen for doing it.
Darkalbino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia410 Posts
June 16 2011 10:22 GMT
#87
I dont drink, I'm 20 years old, living in Australia (above legal age) and can easily afford to drink and attend situations where I could quite availably drink.

People will often ask, why don't you drink? Or, why aren't you drinking? The answer I give is often "Long story" and thats pretty much it as I dont feel for getting in a heated debate about the morality of governments with drunk and intellectually inferior people. However, I'm now not talking with drunk people (at least I hope not lol), I'm talking with people of above average intelligence with an interest in the subject.

I use to drink, it wasn't until I was 19 that I stopped. I was king-hit by the friend of someone who had an issue with me. I had taken "His" girl (basically the most attractive girl at the party). He brought this to my attention, earlier challenging me calling me a fagot and budging me into a table(I didn't react, simply ignored it). Going outside - with only her was... in hindsight a regret, but now I'm glad it had all happened.

I was king hit by one of his friends "King hit: The most hardcore, damage-maximising, chronicly solid punch that can be thrown. Send's the aggressor off balance if it doesn't hit the intended target. " I wasn't injured by the punch, sure, initially it hurt, but it was mainly the shock of what had actually happened that I had been persecuted for what, succeeding in a competition?

I dont drink because I dont agree with the culture. Australia has a crisis at the moment - each weekend all I see are young people binge drinking over and over and over. Literally hundreds of fights every night causing dozens of hospital visits, numerous broken noses and even death.

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These are photos from a friends facebook, luckily, he didnt kill anyone. Though he did end up in hospital for a few weeks, he didnt do any real harm (other than writing off a car that is now void as he was drunk). The frustrating part: He still drink drives.

My problem:

Why does the government allow a select few to ruin it for all of us. It is allowed and permitted in all western societies and is doing us such harm. Such obvious harm, why don't they allow marijuana?

I don't know what the point of this post is, whether its to raise awareness of drink driving reality or to vent my position on illegal drugs that just give power to the criminals.

All I know is if I was a politician I would be shot down in flames for either introducing zero tolerance on drink driving and alcohol related violence or legalizing every "Underground" drug and just actually educating people on the negative effects(but that's for another thread) of each drug.
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Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
June 16 2011 10:25 GMT
#88
There need to be balance between freedom and safety.

Sure we could ban anything slightly dangerous, let goverment monitor every piece of infromation, where we are, what we do and say. It would be safe world, but it's not something people look for.
AlecPyron
Profile Joined May 2010
United States131 Posts
June 16 2011 10:26 GMT
#89
The problem in giving up the right to drinking alcohol wouldn't alleviate this in slightest actually. I don't see the problem in the drinking, but the lack of respect and self-control. Alcohol is an already controlled substance. You need to be 21 or over which supposedly people should be old enough to make good judgement on themselves and it cannot be sold to people under influence (now it depends on the judgement of retailers and clerks).

Maybe the right way is how we can make people do more reasonable choices in their lives voluntarily that benefit the whole than the individual. I don't think we should make laws prohibiting alcohol consumption, but make people choose to not consume alcohol. Like with cigarettes, make them choose to stop smoking than forcing them to stop smoking. Maybe it's up to education to solve this question.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
June 16 2011 10:28 GMT
#90
You've hugely oversimplified the problem by combining casual drink with binge drinking and combining your enjoyment drinker with your semi-suicidal drinker or your too stupid to know what he's doing drinker.

Realistically only 100 or so out of the 14,000 risk taking someone's life. It's those few that are the danger not the vast majority.
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LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
June 16 2011 10:30 GMT
#91
The sad thing is, anybody who would give up drinking probably don't drink and drive ect. Basically any "punishment" you put on consuming alcohol punishes the people who are already responsible.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Herculix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States946 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 10:35:18
June 16 2011 10:31 GMT
#92
i will drink when there is cause to celebrate something, and by that i mean like get married, meet a friend i haven't seen in years, visit people i've known online forever but am seeing for the first time, etc., and i'll be complete control of it like i was the last 5 or so times i've done it. i look down on everyone who takes pride in self-destruction by any means with a sense of pity and disappointment. i don't look at everyone who drinks this way, but i look at the people who have to get drunk to get women, the people who use it as an escape, the people who get peer pressured into drinking because it's cool, etc. i pity the people who can't restrain themselves and the people who end up causing fatalities are those who take that to it's final step.

unfortunately, outlawing it would do nothing, because people will just find other means to do it illegally which is SO much worse. now they're breaking the law on top of what drinking does to you anyways, and they'll be making criminals rich in the mean time. the fact that it's a drug heavily ingrained into the culture of society would basically cause an even worse version of the response to Prohibition since the population of people who drink it are much larger than back then. if you actually want to do something about it it needs to be minimalized in various ways.

On June 16 2011 16:33 ZergOwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 15:45 Atasu wrote:
Alcohol causes so many problems, to the point were I ask my self has man lost all common sense? Its worthless and I can never see my self drinking it, those who get pleasure out of it are in denial. Hey lets drink poison...seriously...


man i hope you dont drink soda.. like cola, sprite, pepsi.. whatever.. cause then you wouldnt be drinking poison.. you'd be drinking acid


that's the most retarded counter argument i've ever heard for alcohol consumption. maybe people shouldn't drink various fruit juices either. you won't disentigrate by drinking lemon juice or soda over time if you use a tooth brush every once in a while, but you can't brush out the acid destroying your liver that comes from alcohol. i assume it wasn't an entirely serious argument but your little wink emote as if you thought you were clever baited me.
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
June 16 2011 10:52 GMT
#93
I wouldn't give up drinking but I never drink and drive, and I don't break stuff even when I am extremely drunk. The other night some guy intentionally spilled beer on my head and I understood he was smashed (he could barely speak when I confronted him) and elected not to absolutely wreck his ass as I certainly could have, although my night out was ruined and I was very angry and quite drunk myself.

The underlying problem is lack of personal culture and not controlled substances I'd say. When gathered in a critical mass, these people are most likely just as prone to vandalism and wanton destruction when they are sober.
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
June 16 2011 10:54 GMT
#94
On June 16 2011 16:33 ZergOwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 15:45 Atasu wrote:
Alcohol causes so many problems, to the point were I ask my self has man lost all common sense? Its worthless and I can never see my self drinking it, those who get pleasure out of it are in denial. Hey lets drink poison...seriously...


man i hope you dont drink soda.. like cola, sprite, pepsi.. whatever.. cause then you wouldnt be drinking poison.. you'd be drinking acid


Nothing wrong with drinking acid every once in a while if you get what I mean
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
MasterFischer
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark836 Posts
June 16 2011 10:59 GMT
#95
If Alcohol was invented today as a substance and drug, it WOULD be illegal. No doubts about it.

Think about that for a moment... let it swirl in your head.

Alcohol is the ONLY substance that we actively ENCOURAGE people to consume... Alcohol is by far one of the most dangerous substances known to humans, because it has so severe societal and personal effects..... this cannot be disputed.

So yeah.. I drink alcohol myself, but I always control myself... I never drive drunk, I don't get in fights, I don't jeopardize the lives or well beings of other people, and I sure as shit, don't drink so much that I lose my common rational and logical thought process.

But most people, don't really give a fuck throw all this away.. and just get hammered, and do whatever the fuck they want.. regardless

Bring in cars, guns, knives, fights, maternal and family disputes, high emotions, break-ups... HELL bring in ANY crisis or problem situation ... add alcohol, and tell me if the consequences are not going straight down the fucking drain...
WHO is this who speaks to me as though I needed his advice?
Kezzer
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1268 Posts
June 16 2011 11:00 GMT
#96
Drunk driving is such a hard thing to cover. You can keep on slapping penalties on it, but the fact is when people are drunk enough they just don't care... I think the amount people are able to buy should be limited and they can get a special license to buy more if they agree to put a breathalyzer in their car.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
June 16 2011 11:03 GMT
#97
On June 16 2011 19:59 MasterFischer wrote:
Alcohol is by far one of the most dangerous substances known to humans, because it has so severe societal and personal effects..... this cannot be disputed.

It can easily be disputed because there are literally thousands of substances that are more dangerous.
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MasterFischer
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark836 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 11:05:42
June 16 2011 11:04 GMT
#98
On June 16 2011 20:03 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 19:59 MasterFischer wrote:
Alcohol is by far one of the most dangerous substances known to humans, because it has so severe societal and personal effects..... this cannot be disputed.

It can easily be disputed because there are literally thousands of substances that are more dangerous.


Depends on how you define "dangerous"...

Because if dangerous means not only the personal effects of the drug, then alcohol is by far more dangerous than most drugs, given that they effect not only YOU, but the people, places and environment around you.

Even alcohol in large quantities is deteriorating to your health, just like most illegal drugs.

And as I said.. alcohol is the only LEGAL, mass produced substance, that we actively encourage others to consume... we even take fun and pleasure in watching people drunk... think about it my man... the culture and environment surrounding alcohol has far.. FAR surpassed that of the ludicrous

WHO is this who speaks to me as though I needed his advice?
Plague1503
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia466 Posts
June 16 2011 11:04 GMT
#99
A better solution would be absolutely DRACONIC penalties for DUI. Like tens of thousands of dollars or months in prison. If you kill someone while drunk driving, you get murder two, no discussion.

Fix'd.
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Fog-of-War
Profile Joined November 2009
United States103 Posts
June 16 2011 11:09 GMT
#100
I would say yes to stricter laws perhaps limiting consumption or buying capability or the drinking age. I do not support just making alcohol illegal, I think thats ridiculous.
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