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Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
June 16 2011 06:48 GMT
#21
Harsher regulation and education are what's needed. History has shown us that prohibition can lead to more problems than it solves. The problem is that most people are so infatuated with alcohol and the pleasures it brings them that they're willing to turn a blind eye to the facts, or the facts are never presented to them.

Governments should be encouraging vigorous campaigning a la cigarettes. Not with the goal of banning alcohol, but with the goal of educating people about its risks and how it damages society.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 16 2011 06:51 GMT
#22
On June 16 2011 15:42 N3rV[Green] wrote:
I don't drink already and believe alcohol to be one of the worst things in our culture today. It destroys the ability to think properly or have control over your own body, and there is actual proof to back it up.

It rips people apart, ruins lives, kills people by use alone (that liver can only take so much, you only have the one), is a factor a crime, sexual badshitingeneral, ALL SORTS of messed up shit come from that stupid worthless drug.

Seriously, why drink when you can just smoke a bowl? Nobody's ever smoked a bowl, and then gone and beaten his wife, nobody has died or killed somebody while significantly impaired driving while baked, nobody has died from toking, and so many other things.....Really now that I think about it, the only time anybody EVER dies because of weed is because it's illegal and it's a part of the criminal world.



This whole bold paragraph is just blatantly false. Bad people are bad people whether they are sober, drunk, or just smoked a ton of weed.

Infact, I once got into an altercation with someone who hit their significant other while we were smoking a bowl.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
June 16 2011 06:52 GMT
#23
On June 16 2011 15:45 Atasu wrote:
Alcohol causes so many problems, to the point were I ask my self has man lost all common sense? Its worthless and I can never see my self drinking it, those who get pleasure out of it are in denial. Hey lets drink poison...seriously...


Pretty much.

However, making it illegal doesn't solve the problem. It will be just as bad if not worse in terms of loss of life.
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
June 16 2011 06:54 GMT
#24
These problems wouldn't exist if people actually listened to the advertisements:

Drink responsibly.

If that means not drinking at all, then don't drink if you're a fucking retard.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
June 16 2011 06:54 GMT
#25
sadly, people will always want an escape.. be it alcohol, drugs, etc.. it will always be something - at least with alcohol we can tax it (versus illegal drugs) and have our officers equipped to immediately test for inebriation when they pull someone over

plus, most alcohol use is reasonable. i, personally, drink maybe one or two beers a day just because it makes me have less background noise in my head (i like to drink a little while i play video games actually, it makes my reaction time quicker because i don't overthink everything)
Nazarid
Profile Joined February 2010
United States445 Posts
June 16 2011 06:56 GMT
#26
On June 16 2011 15:42 N3rV[Green] wrote:
I don't drink already and believe alcohol to be one of the worst things in our culture today. It destroys the ability to think properly or have control over your own body, and there is actual proof to back it up.

It rips people apart, ruins lives, kills people by use alone (that liver can only take so much, you only have the one), is a factor a crime, sexual bad shiting general, ALL SORTS of messed up shit come from that stupid worthless drug.

Seriously, why drink when you can just smoke a bowl? Nobody's ever smoked a bowl, and then gone and beaten his wife, nobody has died or killed somebody while significantly impaired driving while baked, nobody has died from toking, and so many other things.....Really now that I think about it, the only time anybody EVER dies because of weed is because it's illegal and it's a part of the criminal world.


I want you to rethink what u just posted... Both Alcohol and Weed are drugs of a sort. they are both inhibitors, They both effect you're brain and thought process, motor function, etc etc. Weed can affect people in more sever ways than Alcohol, and the same can be said for alcohol. I personally know a couple people that when they smoke a fat bowl they become retarded in the fullest of meanings. you couldn't even hold a conversation with these people because they can't put 5 words together that make any sense. also driving a vehicle under the influence of Weed is just as dangerous as alcohol for some people not all but some. Your logic that no body ever dies of weed is flawed. people die from things all the time and weed never has been the EXACT cause of death to people who are not allergic I can guarantee you that it has been a part of decisions that lead to a death or maiming of another person or themselves.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17247 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 06:58:07
June 16 2011 06:57 GMT
#27
I'd be fine with Alcohol outlawed. It'll never happen, though.

However, making it illegal doesn't solve the problem. It will be just as bad if not worse in terms of loss of life.

You have nothing factual to base this claim on.
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Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 07:00:48
June 16 2011 06:57 GMT
#28
On June 16 2011 15:45 Atasu wrote:
Alcohol causes so many problems, to the point were I ask my self has man lost all common sense? Its worthless and I can never see my self drinking it, those who get pleasure out of it are in denial. Hey lets drink poison...seriously...
Well, alcohol per se is neither good or bad. Wine has been suggested to have positive health impact with moderate consumption for example (or healthy people only drink wine).
Results: Wine drinking was significantly associated with higher IQ, higher parental educational level, and higher socioeconomic status. Beer drinking was significantly associated with lower scores on the same variables.
Population studies have observed a J curve association between wine consumption and the risk of heart disease. This means that heavy drinkers have an elevated risk, while moderate drinkers (at most two five-ounce servings of wine per day) have a lower risk than non-drinkers. Studies have also found that moderate consumption of other alcoholic beverages may be cardioprotective, although the association is considerably stronger for wine.


Sources: http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1102340, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine#Health_effects

edit: I also want to point out that banning cars would be better than banning alcohol because car accidents still happen without alcohol.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 16 2011 06:59 GMT
#29
On June 16 2011 15:56 Nazarid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 15:42 N3rV[Green] wrote:
I don't drink already and believe alcohol to be one of the worst things in our culture today. It destroys the ability to think properly or have control over your own body, and there is actual proof to back it up.

It rips people apart, ruins lives, kills people by use alone (that liver can only take so much, you only have the one), is a factor a crime, sexual bad shiting general, ALL SORTS of messed up shit come from that stupid worthless drug.

Seriously, why drink when you can just smoke a bowl? Nobody's ever smoked a bowl, and then gone and beaten his wife, nobody has died or killed somebody while significantly impaired driving while baked, nobody has died from toking, and so many other things.....Really now that I think about it, the only time anybody EVER dies because of weed is because it's illegal and it's a part of the criminal world.


I want you to rethink what u just posted... Both Alcohol and Weed are drugs of a sort. they are both inhibitors, They both effect you're brain and thought process, motor function, etc etc. Weed can affect people in more sever ways than Alcohol, and the same can be said for alcohol. I personally know a couple people that when they smoke a fat bowl they become retarded in the fullest of meanings. you couldn't even hold a conversation with these people because they can't put 5 words together that make any sense. also driving a vehicle under the influence of Weed is just as dangerous as alcohol for some people not all but some. Your logic that no body ever dies of weed is flawed. people die from things all the time and weed never has been the EXACT cause of death to people who are not allergic I can guarantee you that it has been a part of decisions that lead to a death or maiming of another person or themselves.


You know, lets also ban vending machines! More people die via vending machines than people who die via forest fires, but having a controlled fire during dry spells is banned almost everywhere. It is absurd, and really there is no reason to even have vending machines when a store does the same thing.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
June 16 2011 07:01 GMT
#30
The alcohol related fatalities are probably symptomatic of some kind of mental malaise within the drinkers, and shows that people need to find healthy ways to cope with their problems. I'm sure some of those accidents were caused by careless party-goers, or poor judgment on a weekend after a few too many, but the alcohol itself isn't entirely at fault. If alcohol were prohibited, then I'm sure there would be new ways to self-medicate, or new forms of self-destructive and dangerous behavior.

Would a ban be effective? I think it might, since alcohol is an enjoyable, and easily consumable drug which has become irremediably tied with social culture. But I have a hard time believing that a ban would be justifiable. I think if it were a serious enough issue, then there would be more outcry, more legislation, or simply more of a reaction. I suppose people just implicitly agree that the benefits of having alcohol outweigh the potential dangers, and that the rules and regulations surrounding alcohol are at least sufficient.
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Legend`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada381 Posts
June 16 2011 07:01 GMT
#31
I think just about everybody in Vancouver saw it coming but it is IMPOSSIBLE for police or any sort of law enforcement to deal with 120,000 fans in a relatively small area in a loss of that magnitude.
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Hypertension
Profile Joined April 2011
United States802 Posts
June 16 2011 07:02 GMT
#32
My counter question: would you campaign to legalize drugs if it would reduce gang violence, save lives and restore the people's trust in their police?
Buy boots first. Boots good item.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 07:04:45
June 16 2011 07:02 GMT
#33
On June 16 2011 15:33 sCfO20 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Pretty sure we in the US tried this once. It didn't work out too well.


rofl

Honestly, I don't give a damn about alcohol. But, it's not the alcohol that kill people, or make people do stupid shit.

It's about you not having control over yourself.

Smoke bud, this shit will never happen.



I agree with this guy, alcohol is not the problem, only a factor.


On June 16 2011 15:45 Atasu wrote:
Alcohol causes so many problems, to the point were I ask my self has man lost all common sense? Its worthless and I can never see my self drinking it, those who get pleasure out of it are in denial. Hey lets drink poison...seriously...


lol mr judgemental
im sorry you've never enjoyed recreational alcohol
splcer
Profile Joined October 2009
United States166 Posts
June 16 2011 07:03 GMT
#34
On June 16 2011 15:30 MangoTango wrote:
Pretty sure we in the US tried this once. It didn't work out too well.

WINNNNN

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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 16 2011 07:05 GMT
#35
On June 16 2011 16:03 splcer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 15:30 MangoTango wrote:
Pretty sure we in the US tried this once. It didn't work out too well.

WINNNNN



how is that "WINNNNNN" ?
the guy addressed it in his post if people bothered to read it
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 07:08:48
June 16 2011 07:05 GMT
#36
"However, if alcohol were banned, the amount of alcohol-related traffic fatalities would drastically decrease. "

HAHA
The New York Five Familys, the Chicago outfit and about a hundred more organizations say hello :D
Banning alcohol is like the biggest fuel the US could have given to organized crime back in the twenties thirties.

On June 16 2011 16:05 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 16:03 splcer wrote:
On June 16 2011 15:30 MangoTango wrote:
Pretty sure we in the US tried this once. It didn't work out too well.

WINNNNN



how is that "WINNNNNN" ?
the guy addressed it in his post if people bothered to read it


Addressed it? Like, he stated the US did it, this is hardly addressing it

Regardless of this, i voted no.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
nOia.pod
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary263 Posts
June 16 2011 07:06 GMT
#37
Prohibition would cause much more trouble, just like Nazarid said. Drinking alcohol in general is not bad at all.
You see? The Drone became an extractor!
vict1019
Profile Joined December 2010
United States401 Posts
June 16 2011 07:08 GMT
#38
Voted no. By this logic none of us should drive since it causes a ton of vehicle related fatalities.
Evil Geniuses - The Yankees of ESports(without the results)
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
June 16 2011 07:08 GMT
#39
On June 16 2011 16:05 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 16:03 splcer wrote:
On June 16 2011 15:30 MangoTango wrote:
Pretty sure we in the US tried this once. It didn't work out too well.

WINNNNN



how is that "WINNNNNN" ?
the guy addressed it in his post if people bothered to read it

Yeah, where did he address that?
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
Keldrath
Profile Joined July 2010
United States449 Posts
June 16 2011 07:08 GMT
#40
On June 16 2011 15:57 Craton wrote:
I'd be fine with Alcohol outlawed. It'll never happen, though.

Show nested quote +
However, making it illegal doesn't solve the problem. It will be just as bad if not worse in terms of loss of life.

You have nothing factual to base this claim on.


1920's, prohibition, al capone, ring any bells?
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