EPTThe Price of a Human Life in Terms of Alcohol - Page 15
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25613 Posts
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Scriptix
United States145 Posts
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
i think making some other drugs legal would be a good start. stoners always seem to drink less, but i guess that might depend on the people, be correlation and not causation, etc. but srsly, the social costs of alcohol are ridiculously high. if it didnt have such a long tradition and so much money backing it up it would surely be illegal. | ||
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InvalidID
United States1050 Posts
I am not defending drunk driving, but you cannot say that all of the 17,941 fatalities would have been averted if the drivers were sober. | ||
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KhaosKreator
Canada145 Posts
It's already begun in recent years, to a degree! Long gone are the days when having a beer during a business lunch with a client was considered normal. Now its considered very unprofessional. EDIT: Prohibition doesn't work because laws don't shape the society, the society shapes the laws. Until we begin to realize that alcohol is just as harmful (or more harmful) as other drugs, it's really not a suitable solution to the problem. Education and awareness are though, so kudos to those awareness groups that never let us forget how horrible it is to drink and drive. | ||
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Drascus
United States100 Posts
My giving up recreational alcohol use wouldn't reduce the alcohol related crime rate at all, since I don't commit crimes while drunk. Also, I assure you, not all of the rioters were drunk. I think the huge subset of nerds that hate on booze so much are hilarious. It's part of human culture, it's here to stay. You don't need to participate but t-totalling nerds are the most tiresome thing ever. | ||
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Zrana
United Kingdom698 Posts
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Imerej
Canada291 Posts
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Husnan
France298 Posts
I feel even more strongly about this because I had my license revoked because I lost all the points of my license for being controlled several times by the same automatic radar for driving between 90-100 km/h (92-94-97) on a highway where the speed limit was 90 km/h (dunno how that translates into mph). It was 3 weekends in a row on my way home from my girlfriend's which means I didn't have the chance to even lie about who was driving the car (like every other French people would have done). So basically, what I'm saying is : you are not paying attention to your speed counter for 3 seconds, and you're at risk of losing your license. On the other hand, you drink til you don't remember your name, and you drive, and you may end up NOT losing it. This is utter bullshit. In my opinion, someone drinking and driving should immediately and FOR LIFE have his driving rights revoked. There is simply no excuse for such a lame and irresponsible behaviour. How does it go in the States? | ||
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Drascus
United States100 Posts
On June 17 2011 13:28 Husnan wrote: I don't know how things work in the US, but in France, if someone gets involved in an accident under the influence of alcohol, or simply is controlled under the influence without having an accident, he may not even lose his license. Especially if it's his/her first offense. And even if he does, he'll be allowed to take the driving license tests again 6 months later, and he'll be driving again. I feel even more strongly about this because I had my license revoked because I lost all the points of my license for being controlled several times by the same automatic radar for driving between 90-100 km/h (92-94-97) on a highway where the speed limit was 90 km/h (dunno how that translates into mph). It was 3 weekends in a row on my way home from my girlfriend's which means I didn't have the chance to even lie about who was driving the car (like every other French people would have done). So basically, what I'm saying is : you are not paying attention to your speed counter for 3 seconds, and you're at risk of losing your license. On the other hand, you drink til you don't remember your name, and you drive, and you may end up NOT losing it. This is utter bullshit. In my opinion, someone drinking and driving should immediately and FOR LIFE have his driving rights revoked. There is simply no excuse for such a lame and irresponsible behaviour. How does it go in the States? Drinking and driving is the fastest way to lose your license in the state, bars you from easy entry across the Canadian border, etc. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25613 Posts
It's just the whole "it's culture" argument that is total bs, if humanity had that view women wouldn't vote today or any number of progressive developments Politicians are quite frequently in the pocket of drinks companies anyway, and if they aren't they will not wish to do anything deeply unpopular. Because apparently everybody is a 'sensible' drinker right!? | ||
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Rebel_lion
United States271 Posts
Binge drinking is fun, random, and wild. Has hangover taught these people nothing? Going at a bottle of booze like a crackhead in a free crack giveaway does not equal murder/drunk driving or whatever else. I mean i enjoy beating myself into a drunken stupor just to ..grasp.. at the fringes of peace. This world is a fucked up place. Maybe its abnormal or unhealthy but i mean really, who wants to deal with that 24/7. | ||
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
On June 17 2011 16:08 Halcyondaze wrote: alcohol doesn't kill people. People kill people Unfortunately, people under the influence of one or more detrimental substances are more likely to kill people than are people free from the influence of said substances. | ||
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VictorJones
United States235 Posts
Because of the general lack of respect for the life of a faceless stranger that capitalistically driven societies teach (Or at least American Society which happens to be Capitalist) people can simply say, "I will do what I want because it is my right and that is all there is to it". People who think such things are the reason the world is going to be a giant shit-storm for our children. TLDR: You are a puppet of a society that doesn't care about life. Feel bad. Also, I think having a lack of respect for life makes you a lower form of human Oh gosh this post might cause some hate... | ||
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tertos
Romania394 Posts
I think OP is a hypocrite hiding his trolling behind a wall of post. NOBODY ALONE IN THE BLOODY WORLD JUDGES 67% of any census ALONE and finds them worthy of some right or not.. Except OP. Thanks for wasting 9 minutes of my life. According to Gallup, 67% of Americans drank alcohol in 2008. To sum this up in more layman terms, the life of each person in America is worth the freedom of 14,759 other people to enjoy and consume alcohol. In other words, the right of 14,759 people to enjoy alcoholic beverages is worth more than the life of one person. those 13759 waiver-ed their rights the moment they drink and drive. 13,846 alcohol-related traffic fatalities in 2008. I do believe it starts with something like this. "You have the right to remain silent..." @ OP how would you like to get banned because of something I wrote? | ||
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Mecker
Sweden219 Posts
On June 17 2011 16:45 VictorJones wrote: People who think such things are the reason the world is going to be a giant shit-storm for our children. Please, do explain what you mean when you say "a giant shit-storm". The general consensus of scientists and intellectuals is that the future will keep improving at an exponential rate. Even if we do things that affect the future in a negative way, the next generation will always have a more comfortable life than the previous one. (Excluding the small possibility of a WW3 and an alien invasion) | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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teh_longinator
Canada725 Posts
Therefore, my answer is no. I would not give up drinking if the enjoyment of many will save the lives a few. It's just that those "few" need to be less dumb about what they do. | ||
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Mecker
Sweden219 Posts
On June 17 2011 17:00 TurkeyKnight wrote: I wouldn't even stop drinking if it lead to MY death. I drink a small amount, at rare occasions. I don't see why you people are hopping on the "drinking should be illegal" bandwagon. It should not be taxed any more than a video game is. It's simply a good thing to have when you come home from a hard day's work and need to relax. Therefore, my answer is no. I would not give up drinking if the enjoyment of many will save the lives a few. It's just that those "few" need to be less dumb about what they do. The reason alcohol is taxed is to a)reduce damage done to society by reducing the amount of alcohol consumed and b)pay for the damage alcohol-related incidents cause. | ||
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