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I've concluded that there is such a punishment one can implement to curb drink driving, however, it is controversial.
One thing that is core is NO first chance - there are no exceptions. No you can not drink drive once and no you can not get caught once and not do it again - you can not do it at ALL.
Without warning - if you're done for DUI, 3 months jail. It will be low security but legitimately - 3 months without freedom.
Here are the laws regarding drink driving in my state of Australia.
More than double means Jail time - in between for first offence is just a standard DUI charge as it is (though doing this really creates a whole "excuse, exception, exemption" based system) -.-
I dont envy our politicians.
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lots of self righteous posters here. Alcohol is a fun social drug, it calms nerves for many people and allows them to socialize without the self imposed pressure of being out and about. Some people dont like alcohol, fine, they have probably had a bad experience with it. If you haven't tried it and drink not to drink while at the same time looking down on people........
you are ridiculous.
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On June 16 2011 20:51 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 20:48 Madoga wrote:
You could allso forbid unhealthy food, since this is the biggest cause for premature death in modern society. This argument is void since being fat does not hurt other people.
It does hurt other people, you put stresses on the healthcare system that would most likely not be there. The money spent on the clinically obese could be spent on other people (etc). Banning alcohol would be very much like banning fast food.
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Ineffective and authoritarian?
Why do we always suggest banning something instead of teaching responsibility? Wtf Humanity, w t f?
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On June 16 2011 20:52 Sadist wrote:
lots of self righteous posters here. Alcohol is a fun social drug, it calms nerves for many people and allows them to socialize without the self imposed pressure of being out and about. Some people dont like alcohol, fine, they have probably had a bad experience with it. If you haven't tried it and drink not to drink while at the same time looking down on people........
you are ridiculous. I admit I don't have any data to back it up with but I assume alcohol users outnumber non users by a huge margin and your post make it sound like it's the other way around.
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As said by a dutch comedian: Alcohol costs hundreds of lives each year, but on the other hand hundreds of people are conceived each year because of alcohol.
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I would give up drinking if I knew for certain that it would either prevent me from being responsible for a death, or that my example would keep someone else from doing something that would lead to death.
But as-is, I don't believe my drinking is going to cause deaths (because I am careful about how much I drink, what I do afterwards, etc.), so I see no reason to stop.
Not sure how to approach the poll.
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On June 16 2011 19:13 3clipse wrote:
I wonder how many lives we could save by illegalizing:
-driving
-skiing
-eating fast food
-biking
-martial arts
-swimming
-walking on icy sidewalks
-construction work (we'll have to live in thatched huts)
-having sex past age 65
-candy
-the profession of dentistry (high suicide rate among dentists- we don't need them anyway since sweet foods are now outlawed)
-eating any food that hasn't been ground into a fine paste to prevent choking
You're really onto something big, op.
I think the OP is more concerned about unnecessary and pointless deaths caused primarily by idioicy/irresponsibility while drinking.
It's a cheap argument.
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Maybe with the technology we'll have cars that drive themselves and/or cars that will detect if the driver is drunk, so they won't allow the driver to start the car. Now for vandalism, lotsa sober people do that sadly.
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On June 16 2011 20:39 aebriol wrote:
It's rather easy imho:
- Getting drunk or high and doing stupid shit, should mean you ought to get punished just as hard, or harder, than if you do the same shit sober.
- Being part of a group doing stupid shit, should mean you ought to get punished harder than if you do the same shit on your own.
This.
On June 16 2011 20:52 Sadist wrote:
lots of self righteous posters here. Alcohol is a fun social drug, it calms nerves for many people and allows them to socialize without the self imposed pressure of being out and about.
I'm OK with people drinking, but if you're using liquor just so you can socialize indoors, WTF.
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The whole debate is just as squalid as a would you trade 1 life for 1,000,000 scenario.
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i would ban alcohol and legalise weed any day of the week
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On June 16 2011 20:55 Probe1 wrote:
Ineffective and authoritarian?
Why do we always suggest banning something instead of teaching responsibility?
Because we're lazy.
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On June 16 2011 20:55 Probe1 wrote:
Ineffective and authoritarian?
Why do we always suggest banning something instead of teaching responsibility? Wtf Humanity, w t f? Yeah, because teaching responsibility works so well for our race full of people that have respect for each other, oh wait...
You have too much faith in humans.
It does hurt other people, you put stresses on the healthcare system that would most likely not be there. The money spent on the clinically obese could be spent on other people (etc). Banning alcohol would be very much like banning fast food.
Simple solution, let fat people pay for their fat related healthcare themselves. Unless they're fat because of a medical condition of course, before you go rambling about that.
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Banning alcohol ,even assuming it is a good idea, would just simply not work. Black market would appear immediately and incredible amounts of money would have to be sunk into enforcing it. Just punish harshly DUI, not much better can be done.
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On June 16 2011 21:00 VGhost wrote:
I would give up drinking if I knew for certain that it would either prevent me from being responsible for a death, or that my example would keep someone else from doing something that would lead to death.
But as-is, I don't believe my drinking is going to cause deaths (because I am careful about how much I drink, what I do afterwards, etc.), so I see no reason to stop.
Not sure how to approach the poll. Basically how I see it as well. Seemed like an obvious yes to me but guess it depends on how you interpret the question.
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alcohol calms nerves if you suffer from social anxiety (actually it just removes inhibitions) but so does learning to be social and cool and happy with yourself. going to the gym will make you feel more confident and you wont need to drink for these dumb issues. its a quickfix and often enough the depression and anxiety that results from alcohol abuse only makes the overall situation worse
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[b]General Point:
This post isn't about whether our politicians should bring back Prohibition against the majority's will. That will only lead to an increased demand for black market alcohol, giving crime rings increased funding and such.
"Would you voluntarily give up drinking and vote to ban it, if it meant less drunk driving fatalities?"
I don't understand the question. Are you asking if we would vote to ban alcohol in order to save people's lives.
Or
if we would personally stop alcohol to save lives?
Also both of these questions seem really hypothetical to me, so could someone clear this up?
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You have to consider the implications of an alcohol ban, would one risk ruining the business of every bar and drink distributor not to mention thousands of jobs, to save the lives of the few? There are better solutions to drink driving than banning booze
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Yepp america was exactly the same in the 20's as now... :/
And @taldarimaltar
The free market will find employment for these, that point of view is invalid as to many industries that has happened and they have always been new employed.
I hear the same argument about smoking and its just wrong.
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