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It's like this..
1. You know there are literally hundrends of thousands of people who don't give a fuck if they drink or drive.. drink or shoot... hell.. they just don't give a fuck when they're drunk...
so..
2. Should alcohol not undergo more restrictions and limitations due to this factor, since, we currently only control who can buy and drink it to a limited measure. Alchol have profound consequences of society, by those who go over the edge..
meaning
3. Just because YOU can control your alochol, and YOU don't drink and drive, doesn't mean that the problem will go away, if you just turn the cheek and say.. .well.. not my family.. not me ! That will never happen to me.... and once it does... yeah.. karma is a bitch..
in the end
4. Enforcing responsible drinking, and limitations on consumation and quantity, will most likely make it harder for super drunks to get a hold of it, and perhaps benefit to ensure that they get the treatment they need for it. But the culture of alcohol is too pervasive to be dealt with in small doses... it has no effect on the majority... because people still go out and get motherfucking drunk, and wreck chaos for everybody around them.... and nobody seems to give a fuck 
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I just find it funny, that people are so appalled about alcohol restrictions...
Not because it's not rational to do so, but because, as I said, alcohol has taken such an integral part of everyday life and culture in humans around the world. It's like the legalized substance to act however you want. Meanwhile we look down on weed smokers and other substances, which have proven not to be THAT much more dangerous, and yet consumed on a far less greater scale.. makes you think..
But then again... why are cigarettes legal? They too are the nr. 1 cause of deaths of all people in most countries. Yet people smoke away, and say.. yo.. ho ho ! want a smoke? Lezz smoke togathar.
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sounds like u need a beer
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To alcohol! The cause of... and solution to... all of life's problems.
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Zurich15325 Posts
Germany: 82 Mio, Alcohol related car fatalities: 428 (Numbers from 2008)
85% of the population drinks. Germany has the 5th highest alcohol consumption in the world. Random fact not supported by numbers: There is generally no speed limits on German highways.
Following your logic that makes 162,850 drinkers per fatality.
Maybe you guys should just not drive under the influence instead of discussing a ban of alcohol.
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@OP you are thinking 2dimentional about this, because you are not considering the lives that would be lost if the people couldn't drink, a lot of factors and nuances would arise... i'm sure everyone gets the point that im trying to make so i wont try to explain it any further.
The best approach is pretty much what society is doing right now, trying to raise the awareness of the dangers involved in alcohol abuse, so the people make decisions by themselves.
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On June 16 2011 20:24 zatic wrote:
Germany: 82 Mio, Alcohol related car fatalities: 428 (Numbers from 2008)
85% of the population drinks. Germany has the 5th highest alcohol consumption in the world. Random fact not supported by numbers: There is generally no speed limits on German highways.
Following your logic that makes 162,850 drinkers per fatality.
Maybe you guys should just not drive under the influence instead of discussing a ban of alcohol.
Yeah but, obviously Germany has conquered the aspects of drinking responsible it would seem, given your long history with alcohol and the culture surrounding it, however..
How do you gradually turn 307 million people towards drinking more responsibly, while still maintaining a totally open and free way to abuse alcohol.. while still wanting to LOWER the amount of accidents, and causalities involved with alcohol?
I just don't see it happening.
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On June 16 2011 20:14 MasterFischer wrote:Meanwhile we look down on weed smokers and other substances, which have proven not to be THAT much more dangerous, and yet consumed on a far less greater scale.. makes you think.. Even if smoking weed is harmful, it's still only harmful to yourself, while drinking alcohol, which already is very toxic for yourself, does put the people around you at a great risk. And yet, weed is illegal and alcohol is readily available, everywhere.
I just find it sad that so many people defend alcohol, just because it's so embedded in our society. As someone else already pointed out, if alcohol would be discovered in these times, do you think it would be legal? The answer to this question is the answer to the OP's question.
But then again... why are cigarettes legal? They too are the nr. 1 cause of deaths of all people in most countries. Yet people smoke away, and say.. yo.. ho ho ! want a smoke? Lezz smoke togathar. Cigarettes should be illegal too, yap. You know what's stupid? People that start smoking while having the knowledge that it is very unhealthy and addictive.
I don't have any delusions though, banning alcohol and cigarettes will never happen.
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Drinking alcohol has been apart of human culture for tens of thousands of years. People do stupid shit whether they are piss drunk or sober. Alcohol related deaths do not always mean it would not have happened without the presence of alcohol. imo If alcohol was more openly available and culturally managed like in many other countries there would not be nearly as many problems. I enjoy getting drunk occasionally, but i'm not going to be driving drunk. I feel people who make decisions like that are likely to make similar decisions that could also get them killed. My casual binge drinking does not effect others, why would I give it up? I do not feel increased taxes on alcohol would benefit people. However I do feel harsher punishment for drinking and driving should become a priority. I'm sure laws differ across every US state, but it should be a metric ton of a fine and automatic loss of license.
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It's rather easy imho:
- Getting drunk or high and doing stupid shit, should mean you ought to get punished just as hard, or harder, than if you do the same shit sober.
- Being part of a group doing stupid shit, should mean you ought to get punished harder than if you do the same shit on your own.
Being part of a drunken mob should mean you get punished harder, than if you do the same shit on your own.
If people feel "I was just one of many, so I can't get punished" - they will do stupid shit. If they feel "if I get caught being part of this, my life will be ruined" - most people will think twice, even when drunk.
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It's easy to blame it on alcohol being drunk isn't an excuse for doing stupid shit like drunk driving or joining a riot, you're still responsible for yourself.
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On June 16 2011 20:29 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 20:14 MasterFischer wrote:Meanwhile we look down on weed smokers and other substances, which have proven not to be THAT much more dangerous, and yet consumed on a far less greater scale.. makes you think.. Even if smoking weed is harmful, it's still only harmful to yourself, while drinking alcohol, which already is very toxic for yourself, does put the people around you at a great risk. And yet, weed is illegal and alcohol is readily available, everywhere. I just find it sad that so many people defend alcohol, just because it's so embedded in our society. As someone else already pointed out, if alcohol would be discovered in these times, do you think it would be legal? The answer to this question is the answer to the OP's question. Show nested quote +But then again... why are cigarettes legal? They too are the nr. 1 cause of deaths of all people in most countries. Yet people smoke away, and say.. yo.. ho ho ! want a smoke? Lezz smoke togathar. Cigarettes should be illegal too, yap. You know what's stupid? People that start smoking while having the knowledge that it is very unhealthy and addictive. I don't have any delusions though, banning alcohol and cigarettes will never happen. Doesn't seem that unlikely that cigarettes might become illegal eventually, which makes me think it should be possible with alcohol as well.
These things are all about the general opinion. Smoking will only get banned once a huge majority thinks it's retarded to smoke for example. Changes like that are slow and hard to predict, especially since for example alcohol suffers from "being something adults use" which makes most kids, IE most people grow up thinking drinking alcohol is cool.
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On June 16 2011 20:29 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 20:14 MasterFischer wrote:Meanwhile we look down on weed smokers and other substances, which have proven not to be THAT much more dangerous, and yet consumed on a far less greater scale.. makes you think.. Even if smoking weed is harmful, it's still only harmful to yourself, while drinking alcohol, which already is very toxic for yourself, does put the people around you at a great risk. And yet, weed is illegal and alcohol is readily available, everywhere. I just find it sad that so many people defend alcohol, just because it's so embedded in our society. As someone else already pointed out, if alcohol would be discovered in these times, do you think it would be legal? The answer to this question is the answer to the OP's question. Show nested quote +But then again... why are cigarettes legal? They too are the nr. 1 cause of deaths of all people in most countries. Yet people smoke away, and say.. yo.. ho ho ! want a smoke? Lezz smoke togathar. Cigarettes should be illegal too, yap. You know what's stupid? People that start smoking while having the knowledge that it is very unhealthy and addictive. I don't have any delusions though, banning alcohol and cigarettes will never happen.
... if it's socially acceptable to drink and drive, people will drink and drive.
If your friends will call the police on you if you drink and drive - which will happen a fair bit in Norway, people will drink and drive a lot less.
Work on attitudes instead of banning alcohol ...
And if alcohol was discovered today, we'd not have any science either, so yeah, that's a winner ...
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On June 16 2011 15:30 MangoTango wrote:
Pretty sure we in the US tried this once. It didn't work out too well.
Ah good ol Al CaPwn
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You claim an awful lot of factual information but still draw a factual tie with your statement "The American people, by having alcohol legal today, are essentially placing a price on our own heads"
I couldnt disagree more.
For starters, I'm not sure why this is an American thing, alcohol is legal in most, if not all countries around the globe. Secondly, if we are doing anything to put a price on our own heads, its the blatant stupidity often exhibited by so many people every day, not alcohol.
It's texting while driving, drug use, speeding, not getting enough sleep, etc, etc, etc. I am plenty responsible when I drink as many other people are. It's the stupid ones who put a price on the heads of themselves and others, not the ones who choose to drink.
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You could allso forbid unhealthy food, since this is the biggest cause for premature death in modern society.
Moreover, if you would ban alcohol, it would become exciting for teenagers/adolescents and instead of selling it legally (in usa 21+ i think) they would buy it illigal, which would increase crime rates and maybe even increase accidents caused by alcohol.
Besesides that I doubt the main problem is alcohol, I think crowd behavious is a more important factor in most riots.
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On June 16 2011 20:04 Plague1503 wrote:
A better solution would be absolutely DRACONIC penalties for DUI. Like tens of thousands of dollars or months in prison. If you kill someone while drunk driving, you get murder two, no discussion.
Fix'd.
This already happens in the US. If you get a DUI its like $5000 in fines and fees etc and people have been tried with manslaughter and murder for killing someone while drunk.
Repeated DUI's lands you in prison along with bigger fines and fees everytime, not to mention you risk losing your job etc.
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On June 16 2011 20:48 Madoga wrote:
You could allso forbid unhealthy food, since this is the biggest cause for premature death in modern society. This argument is void since being fat does not hurt other people.
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I could use a job right now, and bootleggin sounds pretty good.
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I don't drink = win ! Amiright.
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