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On February 17 2012 13:09 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:50 allecto wrote:On February 17 2012 12:21 squattincassanova wrote:
Rules of This Weekend
I know you have a lot of money and are social proofed. So here is the deal to make external factors constant.
1. No bringing chicks or famous people for social proof except Rekrul or witnesses
2. No getting tables or buying chicks drinks (apparently based on your Facebook wall, you love buying chicks drinks).
3. Rekrul or a neutral person will pick the group/set we are going to approach so you don't get to chose chicks already into you.
4. To keep it constant, we will only be approaching all 2 set, or all 3 sets, or all mixed sets. YOUR PICK.
5. I have an extra set of audio recorder and we both get recorded for the whole night.
Why can't you buy a girl drinks? I feel that they usually expect a drink as confirmation before giving in to something more. That's like handicapping yourself. Its not really that big of a deal since girls buy guys drinks too. Its just ingrained in a lot of PUAs that buying girls drinks is like submissive behavior. I think if a girl spends over 30 minutes talking to you and has made out with you, its a significant enough investment that buying her a drink is OKAY. Its not THAT big of a deal. And some times it might even tactically be sound. However, a lot of girls will ask you to buy them drinks right off the bat, definitely dont do that since its a form of shit test. I however refuse to buy girls drinks because I'm too awesome and vain for that shit. If a girl is too dumb to realize what a hot piece of ass I am and wont talk to me without me buying her a drink, she can go fuck herself. There's a billion other girls in the club to take her place.
Haha I pretty much agree completely. About time I agreed about something  Cheers man.
Or it might be I'm just a broke ass college kid, who knows.
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On February 18 2012 00:52 Flaccid wrote:
Isn't this whole PUA thing just some over-convoluted law of averages?
I mean, if Albert Pujols is at-bat, he's going to get on base 1 out of every 3 attempts.
Now, if I, a guy who has never played any real baseball tries to do that, it might take me 1000 attempts. And I'd probably have to get hit by a pitch.
Isn't this basically just giving yourself 1000 at-bats while making an extra effort by crowding the plate (the parallel of removing her self worth)? If so, why over-complicate it and not just call it what it is?
As an aside, I don't see the point of hating on this Squat guy. Sure, the whole PUA thing is incredibly creepy and, imo, terrible - but he seems like a nice enough guy and has pretty thick skin by not losing his temper with all of the trolling. If PUA is what he needed to get a bit of self-confidence, then so be it. I don't agree with the methods, but the end-result is worthwhile.
I think in many ways the PUA thing is a way to get people to be able to take 1000 attempts without blowing their brains out. The game isn't just about picking up women, it's for the men too. This way they can look at their failures not as personal failings but rather as a gameplan that didn't work out. Even if nothing in the gameplan works, this method of approach will lead to natural improvement because it simply allows you to talk to people more and with a mindset built for improvement. I don't like it because it's similar to car salesman getting better at selling cars. Too much manipulation for me. I'd rather stay alone than go that route.
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On February 18 2012 00:52 Flaccid wrote:
Isn't this whole PUA thing just some over-convoluted law of averages?
I mean, if Albert Pujols is at-bat, he's going to get on base 1 out of every 3 attempts.
Now, if I, a guy who has never played any real baseball tries to do that, it might take me 1000 attempts. And I'd probably have to get hit by a pitch.
Isn't this basically just giving yourself 1000 at-bats while making an extra effort by crowding the plate (the parallel of removing her self worth)? If so, why over-complicate it and not just call it what it is?
As an aside, I don't see the point of hating on this Squat guy. Sure, the whole PUA thing is incredibly creepy and, imo, terrible - but he seems like a nice enough guy and has pretty thick skin by not losing his temper with all of the trolling. If PUA is what he needed to get a bit of self-confidence, then so be it. I don't agree with the methods, but the end-result is worthwhile.
You could relate it to that. If you're that bad at batting then you will be unlikely to get a result without batting a lot. During your 1000 at-bats you would (expect to) learn and get better with each swing. Maybe next time it takes you 750 attempts to get your next hit, and then you keep bringing it down. Getting the first few hits may be painful and a huge "waste" of time, but the frequency will keep getting better. You may never get down to 1-3 like Albert Pujol, but maybe you can get 1-8 or 1-12. After a lot of hard work you will find yourself much happier. Some people can pick up a bat and have an excellent comparative average to you, maybe 1-50 at first, and improve drastically down to 1-3. That person may insult you and wonder why you have to put in so much work and still need 3x or 4x the pitches to get a hit. It doesn't mean the work you put in was useless or not necessary. It just means you had to put in more work to get what you want.
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On February 17 2012 23:00 bloopie wrote:
Squattin,
I know how the basics of the night game, and I have gone pretty far with it. I also know that you shouldnt shit where you eat - i.e. perform pickup on girls you meet often (in the day), in social circles, etc. But whats your MO on girls you see SOMETIMES in the day/night on a semi regular basis (once,twice a week, or maybe less)? How do you generate chances to meet with the chick/what sort of frame of mind/what to say?
So don't learn pickup in your social circle if you aren't good at it yet. I know some guys who have crazy social circle game. They hate cold approach but once you introduce them a girl through a friend, its game over the same night. My friend in SD who is a rich mother fucker who used to wing with Fuji, did this where he had a party. He hit it off with the girl but her boyfriend as AT the house party. He lied and told the boyfriend they were all going downstairs to go out to a club, once e got the dude to go downstairs, he locked him outside and escalated on the girl and got the lay while the bf got locked outside. There are some crazy stories I have heard with social circle game.
Learn pickup from cold approach first, then start working social circle game. You wont be able to make the risky moves to really learn this stuff in social circle. Thats why cold approach is amazing at learning, its like hitting the reset button every time.
On February 18 2012 00:52 Flaccid wrote:
Isn't this whole PUA thing just some over-convoluted law of averages?
I mean, if Albert Pujols is at-bat, he's going to get on base 1 out of every 3 attempts.
Now, if I, a guy who has never played any real baseball tries to do that, it might take me 1000 attempts. And I'd probably have to get hit by a pitch.
Isn't this basically just giving yourself 1000 at-bats while making an extra effort by crowding the plate (the parallel of removing her self worth)? If so, why over-complicate it and not just call it what it is?
As an aside, I don't see the point of hating on this Squat guy. Sure, the whole PUA thing is incredibly creepy and, imo, terrible - but he seems like a nice enough guy and has pretty thick skin by not losing his temper with all of the trolling. If PUA is what he needed to get a bit of self-confidence, then so be it. I don't agree with the methods, but the end-result is worthwhile.
So going out a lot helps in a few ways. Yes part of it is a numbers game. You are likely to get laid just by going out a lot. BUT.... with practice, your chances get higher too. Its a combination of frequency multiplied by probability.
Everything in between is just your rate of learning. The more you try risky stuff and test your boundaries the faster you will get calibrated. Everything is about pushing things to the edge. Teasing a girl just to the point of being an asshole but not quite there yet. The only way to have a solid feel for that is going balls to the walls and trial and error. Playing it safe, you will never learn the limits of what you can get away with.
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I appreciate there are people here trying to talk about pickup, and how to get ladies, and so on....but I think more focus should be on the pissing contest on our hands.
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On February 18 2012 03:58 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 23:00 bloopie wrote:
Squattin,
I know how the basics of the night game, and I have gone pretty far with it. I also know that you shouldnt shit where you eat - i.e. perform pickup on girls you meet often (in the day), in social circles, etc. But whats your MO on girls you see SOMETIMES in the day/night on a semi regular basis (once,twice a week, or maybe less)? How do you generate chances to meet with the chick/what sort of frame of mind/what to say? So don't learn pickup in your social circle if you aren't good at it yet. I know some guys who have crazy social circle game. They hate cold approach but once you introduce them a girl through a friend, its game over the same night. My friend in SD who is a rich mother fucker who used to wing with Fuji, did this where he had a party. He hit it off with the girl but her boyfriend as AT the house party. He lied and told the boyfriend they were all going downstairs to go out to a club, once e got the dude to go downstairs, he locked him outside and escalated on the girl and got the lay while the bf got locked outside. There are some crazy stories I have heard with social circle game. Learn pickup from cold approach first, then start working social circle game. You wont be able to make the risky moves to really learn this stuff in social circle. Thats why cold approach is amazing at learning, its like hitting the reset button every time.
How about starting games at your own comfortableness. You have to utilize every single angle at your advantage in the mating field. Some guys who might be good at initiating the conversation but falter later on due to the lack of materials, some guys are very good at keeping the flow of the routine by dictating the direction of topic but just can't seem to find a good opening. You should always start of with whatever you are good at first and then slowly inching into the more difficult part. This way you are at a reasonable pace and eventually you will arrive at the final destination of being a virtuoso at whatever you do.
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On February 18 2012 04:39 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 03:58 squattincassanova wrote:On February 17 2012 23:00 bloopie wrote:
Squattin,
I know how the basics of the night game, and I have gone pretty far with it. I also know that you shouldnt shit where you eat - i.e. perform pickup on girls you meet often (in the day), in social circles, etc. But whats your MO on girls you see SOMETIMES in the day/night on a semi regular basis (once,twice a week, or maybe less)? How do you generate chances to meet with the chick/what sort of frame of mind/what to say? So don't learn pickup in your social circle if you aren't good at it yet. I know some guys who have crazy social circle game. They hate cold approach but once you introduce them a girl through a friend, its game over the same night. My friend in SD who is a rich mother fucker who used to wing with Fuji, did this where he had a party. He hit it off with the girl but her boyfriend as AT the house party. He lied and told the boyfriend they were all going downstairs to go out to a club, once e got the dude to go downstairs, he locked him outside and escalated on the girl and got the lay while the bf got locked outside. There are some crazy stories I have heard with social circle game. Learn pickup from cold approach first, then start working social circle game. You wont be able to make the risky moves to really learn this stuff in social circle. Thats why cold approach is amazing at learning, its like hitting the reset button every time. How about starting games at your own comfortableness. You have to utilize every single angle at your advantage in the mating field. Some guys who might be good at initiating the conversation but falter later on due to the lack of materials, some guys are very good at keeping the flow of the routine by dictating the direction of topic but just can't seem to find a good opening. You should always start of with whatever you are good at first and then slowly inching into the more difficult part. This way you are at a reasonable pace and eventually you will arrive at the final destination of being a virtuoso at whatever you do.
Learning pick up has never been about "gaming in your comfort zone". Because for most people, that means playing Starcraft at home on a weekend lmao.
Pickup is all about stepping outside of the comfort zone. If you are already good at opening, then you should work on escalating and isolating. If you area already good at showing interest, you should work on showing disinterest.
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On February 18 2012 05:20 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 04:39 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2012 03:58 squattincassanova wrote:On February 17 2012 23:00 bloopie wrote:
Squattin,
I know how the basics of the night game, and I have gone pretty far with it. I also know that you shouldnt shit where you eat - i.e. perform pickup on girls you meet often (in the day), in social circles, etc. But whats your MO on girls you see SOMETIMES in the day/night on a semi regular basis (once,twice a week, or maybe less)? How do you generate chances to meet with the chick/what sort of frame of mind/what to say? So don't learn pickup in your social circle if you aren't good at it yet. I know some guys who have crazy social circle game. They hate cold approach but once you introduce them a girl through a friend, its game over the same night. My friend in SD who is a rich mother fucker who used to wing with Fuji, did this where he had a party. He hit it off with the girl but her boyfriend as AT the house party. He lied and told the boyfriend they were all going downstairs to go out to a club, once e got the dude to go downstairs, he locked him outside and escalated on the girl and got the lay while the bf got locked outside. There are some crazy stories I have heard with social circle game. Learn pickup from cold approach first, then start working social circle game. You wont be able to make the risky moves to really learn this stuff in social circle. Thats why cold approach is amazing at learning, its like hitting the reset button every time. How about starting games at your own comfortableness. You have to utilize every single angle at your advantage in the mating field. Some guys who might be good at initiating the conversation but falter later on due to the lack of materials, some guys are very good at keeping the flow of the routine by dictating the direction of topic but just can't seem to find a good opening. You should always start of with whatever you are good at first and then slowly inching into the more difficult part. This way you are at a reasonable pace and eventually you will arrive at the final destination of being a virtuoso at whatever you do. Learning pick up has never been about "gaming in your comfort zone". Because for most people, that means playing Starcraft at home on a weekend lmao.
Wow, touché.
Also, have you tried gaming someplace where they play harder to get? Our chicks are known for that, and I was wondering if this applied here to the same extent it does over there...
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On February 18 2012 05:20 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 04:39 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2012 03:58 squattincassanova wrote:On February 17 2012 23:00 bloopie wrote:
Squattin,
I know how the basics of the night game, and I have gone pretty far with it. I also know that you shouldnt shit where you eat - i.e. perform pickup on girls you meet often (in the day), in social circles, etc. But whats your MO on girls you see SOMETIMES in the day/night on a semi regular basis (once,twice a week, or maybe less)? How do you generate chances to meet with the chick/what sort of frame of mind/what to say? So don't learn pickup in your social circle if you aren't good at it yet. I know some guys who have crazy social circle game. They hate cold approach but once you introduce them a girl through a friend, its game over the same night. My friend in SD who is a rich mother fucker who used to wing with Fuji, did this where he had a party. He hit it off with the girl but her boyfriend as AT the house party. He lied and told the boyfriend they were all going downstairs to go out to a club, once e got the dude to go downstairs, he locked him outside and escalated on the girl and got the lay while the bf got locked outside. There are some crazy stories I have heard with social circle game. Learn pickup from cold approach first, then start working social circle game. You wont be able to make the risky moves to really learn this stuff in social circle. Thats why cold approach is amazing at learning, its like hitting the reset button every time. How about starting games at your own comfortableness. You have to utilize every single angle at your advantage in the mating field. Some guys who might be good at initiating the conversation but falter later on due to the lack of materials, some guys are very good at keeping the flow of the routine by dictating the direction of topic but just can't seem to find a good opening. You should always start of with whatever you are good at first and then slowly inching into the more difficult part. This way you are at a reasonable pace and eventually you will arrive at the final destination of being a virtuoso at whatever you do. Learning pick up has never been about "gaming in your comfort zone". Because for most people, that means playing Starcraft at home on a weekend lmao. Pickup is all about stepping outside of the comfort zone. If you are already good at opening, then you should work on escalating and isolating. If you area already good at showing interest, you should work on showing disinterest.
You should also note that most of the guys aren't willing to step outside of their comfort zone. I have gotten multiple of guys into PU but they couldn't handle the intensity of it. So to make things easier, they are much better off going with the "slow and steady" route.
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On February 18 2012 05:39 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 05:20 squattincassanova wrote:On February 18 2012 04:39 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2012 03:58 squattincassanova wrote:On February 17 2012 23:00 bloopie wrote:
Squattin,
I know how the basics of the night game, and I have gone pretty far with it. I also know that you shouldnt shit where you eat - i.e. perform pickup on girls you meet often (in the day), in social circles, etc. But whats your MO on girls you see SOMETIMES in the day/night on a semi regular basis (once,twice a week, or maybe less)? How do you generate chances to meet with the chick/what sort of frame of mind/what to say? So don't learn pickup in your social circle if you aren't good at it yet. I know some guys who have crazy social circle game. They hate cold approach but once you introduce them a girl through a friend, its game over the same night. My friend in SD who is a rich mother fucker who used to wing with Fuji, did this where he had a party. He hit it off with the girl but her boyfriend as AT the house party. He lied and told the boyfriend they were all going downstairs to go out to a club, once e got the dude to go downstairs, he locked him outside and escalated on the girl and got the lay while the bf got locked outside. There are some crazy stories I have heard with social circle game. Learn pickup from cold approach first, then start working social circle game. You wont be able to make the risky moves to really learn this stuff in social circle. Thats why cold approach is amazing at learning, its like hitting the reset button every time. How about starting games at your own comfortableness. You have to utilize every single angle at your advantage in the mating field. Some guys who might be good at initiating the conversation but falter later on due to the lack of materials, some guys are very good at keeping the flow of the routine by dictating the direction of topic but just can't seem to find a good opening. You should always start of with whatever you are good at first and then slowly inching into the more difficult part. This way you are at a reasonable pace and eventually you will arrive at the final destination of being a virtuoso at whatever you do. Learning pick up has never been about "gaming in your comfort zone". Because for most people, that means playing Starcraft at home on a weekend lmao. Pickup is all about stepping outside of the comfort zone. If you are already good at opening, then you should work on escalating and isolating. If you area already good at showing interest, you should work on showing disinterest. You should also note that most of the guys aren't willing to step outside of their comfort zone. I have gotten multiple of guys into PU but they couldn't handle the intensity of it. So to make things easier, they are much better off going with the "slow and steady" route.
PU is not something you do leisurely and expect results. If you look at the ones who were nerds/dorks/losers who actually made it, they all have something in common, literally 10000+ approaches. Tyler, Mystery, etc etc.
PU for most people who start out is inherently painful. I'm not talking about the naturals who already get laid and want to get better, I'm talking about the WoW players, the Software Programmers, the Engineers. Its actually quite depressing getting rejected left and right. If you don't punch through that pain period with massive intensity and focus, you basically fail and quit like the rest of the 95% of the people who attempt it. Hell, I was that 95% until I ended up interning for a pick up coach. I was into pickup for 4 years reading and I couldn't go out. I never got anywhere. Then when got yelled at, forced to approach 50 sets a week, I got my lay within 4 months and boom, I am out of the pain period and on my way to the next level.
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On February 17 2012 13:00 Bubble-T wrote:Pretty much all the PUA advice I've ever seen has had a pretty obvious subtext of removing the female's security. If you read through it with the constant question of "does this action increase the girl's insecurity?" and don't notice the pattern then you're dense.
If you read through it with that constant question, that's called confirmation bias.
Removing a girl's security serves no purpose within the basic strategy of building attraciton, comfort, and seduction, and actually makes building comfort more difficult. The closest any seduction strategies come to increasing insecurity are negs to disarm bitch shields, but even there the purpose is to bring a girl who pedastalizes herself back down to earth where you can interact as equal (it's even specifically been stated that you don't want to go too far and lower a girl's self-esteem or make her feel worse than you, as that will hurt your game).
Like I said before, if it's so obvious and prevalent, feel free to prove it instead of throwing around anecdotal bullshit based on popular preconceptions. Link, quote, or cite some legit seduction community materal that supports your little theory.
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On February 18 2012 06:30 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 05:39 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2012 05:20 squattincassanova wrote:On February 18 2012 04:39 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2012 03:58 squattincassanova wrote:On February 17 2012 23:00 bloopie wrote:
Squattin,
I know how the basics of the night game, and I have gone pretty far with it. I also know that you shouldnt shit where you eat - i.e. perform pickup on girls you meet often (in the day), in social circles, etc. But whats your MO on girls you see SOMETIMES in the day/night on a semi regular basis (once,twice a week, or maybe less)? How do you generate chances to meet with the chick/what sort of frame of mind/what to say? So don't learn pickup in your social circle if you aren't good at it yet. I know some guys who have crazy social circle game. They hate cold approach but once you introduce them a girl through a friend, its game over the same night. My friend in SD who is a rich mother fucker who used to wing with Fuji, did this where he had a party. He hit it off with the girl but her boyfriend as AT the house party. He lied and told the boyfriend they were all going downstairs to go out to a club, once e got the dude to go downstairs, he locked him outside and escalated on the girl and got the lay while the bf got locked outside. There are some crazy stories I have heard with social circle game. Learn pickup from cold approach first, then start working social circle game. You wont be able to make the risky moves to really learn this stuff in social circle. Thats why cold approach is amazing at learning, its like hitting the reset button every time. How about starting games at your own comfortableness. You have to utilize every single angle at your advantage in the mating field. Some guys who might be good at initiating the conversation but falter later on due to the lack of materials, some guys are very good at keeping the flow of the routine by dictating the direction of topic but just can't seem to find a good opening. You should always start of with whatever you are good at first and then slowly inching into the more difficult part. This way you are at a reasonable pace and eventually you will arrive at the final destination of being a virtuoso at whatever you do. Learning pick up has never been about "gaming in your comfort zone". Because for most people, that means playing Starcraft at home on a weekend lmao. Pickup is all about stepping outside of the comfort zone. If you are already good at opening, then you should work on escalating and isolating. If you area already good at showing interest, you should work on showing disinterest. You should also note that most of the guys aren't willing to step outside of their comfort zone. I have gotten multiple of guys into PU but they couldn't handle the intensity of it. So to make things easier, they are much better off going with the "slow and steady" route. PU is not something you do leisurely and expect results. If you look at the ones who were nerds/dorks/losers who actually made it, they all have something in common, literally 10000+ approaches. Tyler, Mystery, etc etc. PU for most people who start out is inherently painful. I'm not talking about the naturals who already get laid and want to get better, I'm talking about the WoW players, the Software Programmers, the Engineers. Its actually quite depressing getting rejected left and right. If you don't punch through that pain period with massive intensity and focus, you basically fail and quit like the rest of the 95% of the people who attempt it. Hell, I was that 95% until I ended up interning for a pick up coach. I was into pickup for 4 years reading and I couldn't go out. I never got anywhere. Then when got yelled at, forced to approach 50 sets a week, I got my lay within 4 months and boom, I am out of the pain period and on my way to the next level.
Well that's the thing, with PU you have to step out of the comfort zone but most of the guys aren't willing to do such part. That's the part that pisses me off about the current position of the male gender, they get butthurt whenever you try to help them out with their relationships. Whenever you go and explain the reasoning behind their failure, they backslash as you. To help out a very close friend of mine, I had to be slow and steady to change his attitude.
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On February 17 2012 12:10 Xiphos wrote:Very psyched with our current standoff between the "alphas"
Alphas rarely actually confront each other. Most of the time (both with pack animals in general and humans in particular), alphas either befriend each other or ignore each other, out of recognition that conflict with another alpha is mutually harmful. It's typically the high ranking betas who slug it out in order to jockey for their position in the pecking order.
That said, it seems like proct was just trolling squattin.
On February 17 2012 12:10 Pejelagarto wrote:Thanks.
You're welcome. Good luck to you.
On February 17 2012 22:12 Penecks wrote:How do female PUAs work, I believe they were mentioned in the thread at some point? I mean it seems a decent looking female wouldn't require any kind of social engineering guidance to get a dude to sleep with her? I'm guessing they go after the big fish, like men with a lot of cash/status?
Most female PUAs fall into a few categories:
Attractive women interested in high status men (and possibly not just for lays but for keeps).
Unattractive/aging women interested in guys in general.
Lesbians/bisexuals interested in women (especially straight women).
Experienced pivots interested in applying what they've indirectly learned to coaching.
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On February 18 2012 06:49 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 06:30 squattincassanova wrote:On February 18 2012 05:39 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2012 05:20 squattincassanova wrote:On February 18 2012 04:39 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2012 03:58 squattincassanova wrote:On February 17 2012 23:00 bloopie wrote:
Squattin,
I know how the basics of the night game, and I have gone pretty far with it. I also know that you shouldnt shit where you eat - i.e. perform pickup on girls you meet often (in the day), in social circles, etc. But whats your MO on girls you see SOMETIMES in the day/night on a semi regular basis (once,twice a week, or maybe less)? How do you generate chances to meet with the chick/what sort of frame of mind/what to say? So don't learn pickup in your social circle if you aren't good at it yet. I know some guys who have crazy social circle game. They hate cold approach but once you introduce them a girl through a friend, its game over the same night. My friend in SD who is a rich mother fucker who used to wing with Fuji, did this where he had a party. He hit it off with the girl but her boyfriend as AT the house party. He lied and told the boyfriend they were all going downstairs to go out to a club, once e got the dude to go downstairs, he locked him outside and escalated on the girl and got the lay while the bf got locked outside. There are some crazy stories I have heard with social circle game. Learn pickup from cold approach first, then start working social circle game. You wont be able to make the risky moves to really learn this stuff in social circle. Thats why cold approach is amazing at learning, its like hitting the reset button every time. How about starting games at your own comfortableness. You have to utilize every single angle at your advantage in the mating field. Some guys who might be good at initiating the conversation but falter later on due to the lack of materials, some guys are very good at keeping the flow of the routine by dictating the direction of topic but just can't seem to find a good opening. You should always start of with whatever you are good at first and then slowly inching into the more difficult part. This way you are at a reasonable pace and eventually you will arrive at the final destination of being a virtuoso at whatever you do. Learning pick up has never been about "gaming in your comfort zone". Because for most people, that means playing Starcraft at home on a weekend lmao. Pickup is all about stepping outside of the comfort zone. If you are already good at opening, then you should work on escalating and isolating. If you area already good at showing interest, you should work on showing disinterest. You should also note that most of the guys aren't willing to step outside of their comfort zone. I have gotten multiple of guys into PU but they couldn't handle the intensity of it. So to make things easier, they are much better off going with the "slow and steady" route. PU is not something you do leisurely and expect results. If you look at the ones who were nerds/dorks/losers who actually made it, they all have something in common, literally 10000+ approaches. Tyler, Mystery, etc etc. PU for most people who start out is inherently painful. I'm not talking about the naturals who already get laid and want to get better, I'm talking about the WoW players, the Software Programmers, the Engineers. Its actually quite depressing getting rejected left and right. If you don't punch through that pain period with massive intensity and focus, you basically fail and quit like the rest of the 95% of the people who attempt it. Hell, I was that 95% until I ended up interning for a pick up coach. I was into pickup for 4 years reading and I couldn't go out. I never got anywhere. Then when got yelled at, forced to approach 50 sets a week, I got my lay within 4 months and boom, I am out of the pain period and on my way to the next level. Well that's the thing, with PU you have to step out of the comfort zone but most of the guys aren't willing to do such part. That's the part that pisses me off about the current position of the male gender, they get butthurt whenever you try to help them out with their relationships. Whenever you go and explain the reasoning behind their failure, they backslash as you. To help out a very close friend of mine, I had to be slow and steady to change his attitude.
So basically you agree with me. Its not that PU doesn't work. Its just that most guys are either pussy bitches or lazy bastards. Nobody wants to admit they suck with women. There is too much pride and ego attached that that. That's why they are on TL trolling my posts loool!
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Here's another Judicator Question and Rant post to ask some questions and also let off some steam :D.
On February 18 2012 06:30 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 05:39 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2012 05:20 squattincassanova wrote:On February 18 2012 04:39 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2012 03:58 squattincassanova wrote:On February 17 2012 23:00 bloopie wrote:
Squattin,
I know how the basics of the night game, and I have gone pretty far with it. I also know that you shouldnt shit where you eat - i.e. perform pickup on girls you meet often (in the day), in social circles, etc. But whats your MO on girls you see SOMETIMES in the day/night on a semi regular basis (once,twice a week, or maybe less)? How do you generate chances to meet with the chick/what sort of frame of mind/what to say? So don't learn pickup in your social circle if you aren't good at it yet. I know some guys who have crazy social circle game. They hate cold approach but once you introduce them a girl through a friend, its game over the same night. My friend in SD who is a rich mother fucker who used to wing with Fuji, did this where he had a party. He hit it off with the girl but her boyfriend as AT the house party. He lied and told the boyfriend they were all going downstairs to go out to a club, once e got the dude to go downstairs, he locked him outside and escalated on the girl and got the lay while the bf got locked outside. There are some crazy stories I have heard with social circle game. Learn pickup from cold approach first, then start working social circle game. You wont be able to make the risky moves to really learn this stuff in social circle. Thats why cold approach is amazing at learning, its like hitting the reset button every time. How about starting games at your own comfortableness. You have to utilize every single angle at your advantage in the mating field. Some guys who might be good at initiating the conversation but falter later on due to the lack of materials, some guys are very good at keeping the flow of the routine by dictating the direction of topic but just can't seem to find a good opening. You should always start of with whatever you are good at first and then slowly inching into the more difficult part. This way you are at a reasonable pace and eventually you will arrive at the final destination of being a virtuoso at whatever you do. Learning pick up has never been about "gaming in your comfort zone". Because for most people, that means playing Starcraft at home on a weekend lmao. Pickup is all about stepping outside of the comfort zone. If you are already good at opening, then you should work on escalating and isolating. If you area already good at showing interest, you should work on showing disinterest. You should also note that most of the guys aren't willing to step outside of their comfort zone. I have gotten multiple of guys into PU but they couldn't handle the intensity of it. So to make things easier, they are much better off going with the "slow and steady" route. PU is not something you do leisurely and expect results. If you look at the ones who were nerds/dorks/losers who actually made it, they all have something in common, literally 10000+ approaches. Tyler, Mystery, etc etc. PU for most people who start out is inherently painful. I'm not talking about the naturals who already get laid and want to get better, I'm talking about the WoW players, the Software Programmers, the Engineers. Its actually quite depressing getting rejected left and right. If you don't punch through that pain period with massive intensity and focus, you basically fail and quit like the rest of the 95% of the people who attempt it. Hell, I was that 95% until I ended up interning for a pick up coach. I was into pickup for 4 years reading and I couldn't go out. I never got anywhere. Then when got yelled at, forced to approach 50 sets a week, I got my lay within 4 months and boom, I am out of the pain period and on my way to the next level.
You're putting engineering students (I assume you mean students, since most working engineers only work like 40-50 hours a week, weekends off) in the same category as WoW players :s. If by that you mean extremely busy, then I agree. Except the former actually has to be busy. No one makes WoW players play wow haha. Also, it's really easy for engineering students to be social, especially considering they don't play an RPG all day :s. Fuck, they live right next to 1000s of people. I unfortunately don't have the privilege of that situation, and I still am social, albeit I have to put in a ton more effort than they do XD.
Back in Jan still during my break, I got a few girls hoping for some kinda new relationship, but they were idiot airheads like most are. I don't know how I got them, seeing as I really, really suck at opening. It boils down to asking how they are, introducing myself, and then either 1) noticing something on their person that I can make something out of, or 2) far more often random ass stuff like what I like doing, what kind of food, music, things they like, what they do, etc. But it's like after salutations, I can get lost for a bit, especially if they don't seem particularly social. Don't get me wrong, I'm not super social by any means, but if I'm not running off 12-14 hours of sleep over 3 nights, I'm decent. Still, how does one assuredly and successfully open conversation with a total stranger, girl or guy (especially girl)?
Another question, given I'm not as convenient to those people as their friends are to them, they don't always care to invite me to stuff, no matter how high and great some of them think of me, even in comparison to their more convenient friends. So, what do I do? Ask them what they're doing on weekends (on which I have time)? Problem is when I try that, I usually get a "nothing" (since most people literally plan things on the spur of the moment) or they give me a nice way of saying "yeah but not with you included."
Clutter Section. Ignore if not interested.
Not pick-up related, but past few weeks have been a bit weird talking to / meeting random people and stuff. If I hadn't known this for the past 2.5 years, I know it now, the general majority of people at my univ. who aren't total herpderp airheads just don't like talking to strangers. And given the fact that most people who are around campus are busy studying or doing other work, they're even less inclined to want to talk to meet new people especially if there isn't some kind of association (same student org., friend of a friend, dorm hall, etc. etc.) haha. Nearly anyone I come across is completely uninterested. When I'm in a more environment meant to be social, it's a lot easier. Problem is most my pals don't do shit, and when they do, it's like with apt. mates and a few neighbors or something. :< If I was invited on casual gatherings and little parties and whatnot often, game over, which leads into this story...
Probably the best period was for a couple months in a term I didn't have a shitton of work, and I had a good amount of money saved up, I roomed with a couple guys. Having a ton more freedom, I basically had free motion in what I could do. I could bring people over any time, didn't have any critical responsibilities in regards to other people, could do whatever I wanted without any sort of criticism or annoyance, etc. I'd go to little gatherings (I can't call them parties lol) via my apt. mates and just pass some time and meet girls. Most were lolasian socially awkward as fuck, but when you're like sitting around with people for like 4+ hours, you can kind of grow on them. I'll admit I had to lower my relatively high standards a bit (not that I'm anything special XD). Well, bringing girls home to a couple dudes about my age doesn't make them pissed that I'm bringing girls over and apparently makes me a bad influence and w/e, but it does cause other issues, particularly jealousy O_o. It was one of the reasons why they kind of forced me to leave (another was I was running out of money XD, and other things too), because they couldn't put up with that anymore, but it was soooo worth it. By far the best 2 months in univ. to date.
Random aside: I don't know how the hell kids living on/near the univ. can be so socially awkward and anti-social and whatnot. They fucking are forced into having a great social life and they STILL fail to achieve that. How that hell is that possible? Btw, I don't consider talking to apt. mates / neighbors also students / little gatherings to be much of a social life lol. That is called taking advantage of major convenience.
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Just seen this thread, had a skim and a look at that last video ...
... this is absolutely disgusting TBH, what a bunch of complete disrespectful bunch of barbarians ...
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On February 18 2012 10:40 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:I don't know how the hell kids living on/near the univ. can be so socially awkward and anti-social and whatnot. They fucking are forced into having a great social life and they STILL fail to achieve that. How that hell is that possible? Btw, I don't consider talking to apt. mates / neighbors also students / little gatherings to be much of a social life lol. That is called taking advantage of major convenience.
That situation varies with different universities.
I lived on campus throughout undergrad, but wasn't forced to have a social life in any way. I still had an active social life, became president of a frat, etc., but I had housemates who did quite the opposite and rarely socialized.
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On February 18 2012 11:36 TMOUllrich wrote:
Just seen this thread, had a skim and a look at that last video ...
... this is absolutely disgusting TBH, what a bunch of complete disrespectful bunch of barbarians ...
Its the guys that don't learn how to get good with women that the creepy, needy, annoying, desperate, abusive ones. They are all around you. They will be like that the rest of their lives. All the creepy dudes at the club that follow chicks around... ARE NOT the ones learning pick up.
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On February 18 2012 11:42 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 10:40 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:I don't know how the hell kids living on/near the univ. can be so socially awkward and anti-social and whatnot. They fucking are forced into having a great social life and they STILL fail to achieve that. How that hell is that possible? Btw, I don't consider talking to apt. mates / neighbors also students / little gatherings to be much of a social life lol. That is called taking advantage of major convenience. That situation varies with different universities. I lived on campus throughout undergrad, but wasn't forced to have a social life in any way. I still had an active social life, became president of a frat, etc., but I had housemates who did quite the opposite and rarely socialized. Perhaps you went to a party school or your on-campus housing was particularly party-oriented?
By being forced, I meant you're basically thrown in to living with your college mates, ya know, like living in dorms or after a year or two, moving into a place right next to the college. Can't get better than that haha.
Your last line confuses me. I thought I made it clear in this post (if not in others as well), I go to a university that is infamous throughout the whole state for being anti-social and for the general student body for being anti-social. I'm not sure how you say it's a party school or party-oriented when I said the opposite :s. Just a bit confused.
Let's face it, unless you're an engineering student (or I should say in the tougher eng. disciplines) and you the privilege nearly everyone has who didn't have serious life/monetary problems of living on/near campus throughout univ., you don't any excuse, plain and simple. Call me a dick, I don't care. When someone's around their own peer 24/7, not just seeing, but living within a mile of all of them,, and you have infinite free time and aren't spending it being active, there's no excuse.
And yet I meet tons of psych, econ, business, etc. majors who literally have all the free time in the world (and they tell me this themselves) and are pretty reclusive except outside of a small tight circle, ie. their direct comfort zone. Don't get me wrong, some do take good advantage of their free time, but many do not.
That reminds me. The biggest mistake I made was not joining a frat. Given my situation, joining a group where people care about people who aren't around 24/7, it probably would have been a lot better. I'll find one and rush this spring. Seriously, getting really sick of having to work ungodly wonders just to have more a social life than people who are so fucking awkward they feel uncomfortable even talking to their friends, and have friends just by virtue of having lived with/near people all-day long. Seriously, thank you very much for reminding me about frats. I'll find a decent one. Seriously, thanks a lot.
Btw, my two questions that weren't sorta rhetorical were at the end of the 2nd paragraph and in the 3rd one . They're just sorta problems I have that I'd like to sort out. Unfortunately, decent advice is really tough to come by.
/rant
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UCSD isn't bad if you go Greek
edit: assuming thats where Hammurabi goes, it certainly fits
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