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Kojak21
Canada1104 Posts
On February 20 2012 16:21 village_idiot wrote: Please don't disrespect women. There is nothing wrong with women expressing their sexuality. I`m fine with them expressing their sexuality, but I`m not cool with them cheating. | ||
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Mjolnir
912 Posts
On February 18 2012 11:47 squattincassanova wrote: Its the guys that don't learn how to get good with women that the creepy, needy, annoying, desperate, abusive ones. They are all around you. They will be like that the rest of their lives. All the creepy dudes at the club that follow chicks around... ARE NOT the ones learning pick up. The problem with your reply here is that you assume anyone who isn't "good with women" is creepy, needy, annoying, desperate, and (lol?) abusive. That's fucking absurd. The people you describe can learn to be PUAs and they'll still be creepy, needy, annoying, desperate, and (again, lol?) abusive - they'll just be better at picking up chicks. Also, when you bash people for having no life because they're here trolling you - I'm going to assume you would include yourself in the same no-lifer camp since you take the time to reply to the majority of their posts and troll them back. Just sayin'. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On February 20 2012 16:16 Kojak21 wrote: It has nothing to do with the fact that shes intoxicated or the scene shes in. All it is that shes is a whore. Simple Yeah I'm going to have to agree with this. Over the past couple years, I've met a few girls who have bf's from their hs days but obviously being in college they only see them during breaks, and yet they wanted to screw me. And mind you, these girls weren't intoxicated, nor were they even the overly attractive/sociable party scene type that you expect would have this personality. I didn't find out until after the fact of the matter that they had bf's and were cheating on them, and it made me sick to my stomach how whorish some people can be. I was pissed about it. I've also heard of basically girls being whores tons of times second-hand, so no surprise there. I'm going to have to agree with Kojak. However, let's not forget tons of guys are the same way. | ||
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Kojak21
Canada1104 Posts
On February 20 2012 16:35 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Yeah I'm going to have to agree with this. Over the past couple years, I've met a few girls who have bf's from their hs days but obviously being in college they only see them during breaks, and yet they wanted to screw me. And mind you, these girls weren't intoxicated, nor were they even the overly attractive/sociable party scene type that you expect would have this personality. I didn't find out until after the fact of the matter that they had bf's and were cheating on them, and it made me sick to my stomach how whorish some people can be. I was pissed about it. I've also seen/heard of basically girls being whores tons of times second-hand, so no surprise. I'm going to have to agree with Kojak. However, let's not forget tons of guys are the same way. Ya its got nothing to do with gender, people in general are dicks and don't care. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
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danielrosca
Romania123 Posts
On February 20 2012 07:29 Catch wrote: I think he was more referring to the fact that the girl let her boyfriend get locked outside then cheated on him while he was banging on the door while she was getting banged in the house. At least, that's what I thought he meant. Edit: I think he knows that chicks will/can cheat. At least, I hope so. lol only naive people would believe otherwise. You're quite right, i meant one has to be more than gullible not to notice that scene was ego-stroking bs from a pua dude looking for confirmation, as they all do. | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
On February 20 2012 16:41 Kojak21 wrote: Ya its got nothing to do with gender, people in general are dicks and don't care. Completely false statement. People in general are awesome and sympathetic toward one another. I know of one study in particular that finds this with money, the source of all evil. The only time people are dicks and don't care are when they are socially isolated (so something like texting or on a computer). On a side note, I think it's funny how your beliefs will shape your life. I once heard the questions you ask will shape your reality, and I agree with that completely. Some of the belief in here makes it no surprise that people struggle with certain aspects, myself included. Also, found an awesome "exercise" on building self confidence on a fitness site lol awesome. Way better than doing retarded things like going out with a dildo on your head. FJ confidence drill | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On February 21 2012 01:37 Catch wrote:People in general are awesome and sympathetic toward one another. I know of one study in particular that finds this with money, the source of all evil. The only time people are dicks and don't care are when they are socially isolated (so something like texting or on a computer). So in other words, people are dicks only when they can't be punished for it? In other words, people are dicks and cowards. | ||
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surfinbird1
Germany999 Posts
On February 21 2012 01:37 Catch wrote: Also, found an awesome "exercise" on building self confidence on a fitness site lol awesome. Way better than doing retarded things like going out with a dildo on your head. FJ confidence drill That's basically the same thing as the dildo walk. Also the dildo thing is the most extreme example of something very useful, overcoming anxiety/shame/fear. Some people just go to a fast food joint like McDonald's and order a pizza. Some just walk around and say "Hi" to everybody they see which is in my opinion less weird than standing in front of a public mirror and flexing in front of people. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
And lol it's so true, some people will be total dicks when you aren't in their faces XD. I love those people, because when I'm in their face, they're all lovey dovey. rofl. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
Everything in life is full of exceptions, grey areas, and paradoxes. But people can't handle that. They want to think "This is good, that is bad, do this, do that". Why do you think president campaigns have simple fucking slogans? "CHANGE" "YES WE CAN". Because the public wants to believe a very simple concept. They don't want to dive into the details that maybe shit is complicated. If Barack started talking about the nitty gritty details of politics, it would mind fuck the general populous. Same thing with pick up. Everything is a case by case basis. Some girls are like this, some girls are like that. Some's dudes are like this, some dudes are like that. Some girls are freaks, some girls aren't. Some like to be treated like shit, some aren't. Did you know that? I always see people arguing over two sides, but in many cases, they are BOTH true. Pickup / Girls / Social Dynamics they all have many paradoxes and some times both can be true and not true at the same time. | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
On February 21 2012 03:00 sunprince wrote: So in other words, people are dicks only when they can't be punished for it? In other words, people are dicks and cowards. Eh. Cowards? Not really. These people were given free money and had to split it with another person. If the other person accepted, they got to keep the money. Basically, they had nothing to lose. It's not so much that as mirror neurons do not fire. These are the neurons responsible for telling the emotional state or being sympathetic towards others. We also begin to "mirror" their feelings when these are firing (ever had one girl cry, then every girl in the room start to cry?). They obviously can't fire behind a computer screen or phone, since that isn't a human face. Thus, less mirror neurons firing = less sympathy, basically because the mind doesn't see it as another person. The common mass aka the dumb general populous love to lump things into an over arching concept or theme. Their stupid brain is too simple so they try to tie everything to a general "truth". Actually, this is how the human mind works. So the common mass goes for everyone, including yourself. I guarantee you lump things together, because that is how the brain works best. Too many variables screws with the brain. Surprisingly, once variables become too great (7, plus or minus 2 in the average person. Can be trained to a degree), the emotional or primitive side of the brain can actually work better than the rational side. The only way to combat something like that is to know about it and why it happens. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On February 21 2012 08:49 Catch wrote:Cowards? Not really. These people were given free money and had to split it with another person. If the other person accepted, they got to keep the money. Basically, they had nothing to lose. It's not so much that as mirror neurons do not fire. These are the neurons responsible for telling the emotional state or being sympathetic towards others. We also begin to "mirror" their feelings when these are firing (ever had one girl cry, then every girl in the room start to cry?). They obviously can't fire behind a computer screen or phone, since that isn't a human face. The study you're referring to is critically flawed, because participants in the experiment are aware that they are in an experiment and being monitored. Thus they are subject to social desirability bias. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
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Catch
United States616 Posts
On February 21 2012 10:11 sunprince wrote: The study you're referring to is critically flawed, because participants in the experiment are aware that they are in an experiment and being monitored. Thus they are subject to social desirability bias. Actually, the study is from a meta-analysis found here, that looked at 37 papers with 75 results. I can't find the original study that it referred to in the book I read it from, but this was also a study it referenced. Obviously, it is known as the ultimatum game. It is also described in the book "How we Decide" by Jonah Lehrer. Not too sure if it still suffers from this bias personally; I think it doesn't based on the meta-analysis and the book, but I don't claim to be an expert on sociology either. Edit: Isn't the bias just a real problem in questionnaires? I remember this from my psych 101 or 103 class, and it even says it on the wikipedia page. The study I'm talking about isn't a questionnaire. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On February 21 2012 10:46 Catch wrote: Actually, the study is from a meta-analysis found here, that looked at 37 papers with 75 results. I can't find the original study that it referred to in the book I read it from, but this was also a study it referenced. Obviously, it is known as the ultimatum game. It is also described in the book "How we Decide" by Jonah Lehrer. Not too sure if it still suffers from this bias personally; I think it doesn't based on the meta-analysis and the book, but I don't claim to be an expert on sociology either. Edit: Isn't the bias just a real problem in questionnaires? I remember this from my psych 101 or 103 class, and it even says it on the wikipedia page. The study I'm talking about isn't a questionnaire. After reading the Wiki page on 'Social desirability bias', it certainly clarify a vast majority of social occurrences. There a lot of instances where it would seems irrational for one person to give up a LTR with another and follow another subject despite any past emotional ties. Then you realized that the new kid on the block have displayed much higher dominance with the combination of speaking tones, facial expressions, and sense of humor. I think that this is what 'game' is all about. To be able to get in the mindset of the elites, use them as a mold to morph yourself. One's image will little by little gradually improve. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On February 21 2012 10:46 Catch wrote: Actually, the study is from a meta-analysis found here, that looked at 37 papers with 75 results. I can't find the original study that it referred to in the book I read it from, but this was also a study it referenced. Obviously, it is known as the ultimatum game. It is also described in the book "How we Decide" by Jonah Lehrer. The limited description you gave in parts misled me as to which study you were referring to. Here's my corrected response: In the ultimatum game, the first player will choose to give the second player some amount of money so they have an incentive to accept the offer, but this is out of self-interest, not altruism. The first player is afraid that the second player will leave them both with nothing out of spite due to a percieved injustice or slight to their honor. This is actually legtimized by the results, which show that the second player will nearly always reject badly slanted offers. It's not an issue with social desirability bias as I suggested before, but the first player still doesn't offer money out of the goodness of their hearts. | ||
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Blyadischa
419 Posts
On February 21 2012 07:05 squattincassanova wrote: The common mass aka the dumb general populous love to lump things into an over arching concept or theme. Their stupid brain is too simple so they try to tie everything to a general "truth". The matter of fact is, life is not fucking black and white and not every thing is this way or that way. Everything in life is full of exceptions, grey areas, and paradoxes. But people can't handle that. They want to think "This is good, that is bad, do this, do that". Why do you think president campaigns have simple fucking slogans? "CHANGE" "YES WE CAN". Because the public wants to believe a very simple concept. They don't want to dive into the details that maybe shit is complicated. If Barack started talking about the nitty gritty details of politics, it would mind fuck the general populous. Same thing with pick up. Everything is a case by case basis. Some girls are like this, some girls are like that. Some's dudes are like this, some dudes are like that. Some girls are freaks, some girls aren't. Some like to be treated like shit, some aren't. Did you know that? I always see people arguing over two sides, but in many cases, they are BOTH true. Pickup / Girls / Social Dynamics they all have many paradoxes and some times both can be true and not true at the same time. Wait a second here... On February 18 2012 06:30 squattincassanova wrote: PU is not something you do leisurely and expect results. If you look at the ones who were nerds/dorks/losers who actually made it, they all have something in common, literally 10000+ approaches. Tyler, Mystery, etc etc. PU for most people who start out is inherently painful. I'm not talking about the naturals who already get laid and want to get better, I'm talking about the WoW players, the Software Programmers, the Engineers. Its actually quite depressing getting rejected left and right. If you don't punch through that pain period with massive intensity and focus, you basically fail and quit like the rest of the 95% of the people who attempt it. Hell, I was that 95% until I ended up interning for a pick up coach. I was into pickup for 4 years reading and I couldn't go out. I never got anywhere. Then when got yelled at, forced to approach 50 sets a week, I got my lay within 4 months and boom, I am out of the pain period and on my way to the next level. On February 18 2012 11:47 squattincassanova wrote: Its the guys that don't learn how to get good with women that the creepy, needy, annoying, desperate, abusive ones. They are all around you. They will be like that the rest of their lives. All the creepy dudes at the club that follow chicks around... ARE NOT the ones learning pick up. | ||
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Sogo Otika
60 Posts
On February 20 2012 16:35 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Yeah I'm going to have to agree with this. Over the past couple years, I've met a few girls who have bf's from their hs days but obviously being in college they only see them during breaks, and yet they wanted to screw me. And mind you, these girls weren't intoxicated, nor were they even the overly attractive/sociable party scene type that you expect would have this personality. I didn't find out until after the fact of the matter that they had bf's and were cheating on them, and it made me sick to my stomach how whorish some people can be. I was pissed about it. I've also heard of basically girls being whores tons of times second-hand, so no surprise there. I'm going to have to agree with Kojak. However, let's not forget tons of guys are the same way. This is an example of why the current generation's thinking on sexuality is anti-progressive. What's wrong with having lots of sex with people you find attractive? You say it made you sick they were cheating on their boyfriends - well for your information, it probably makes a lot of old people sick that you were having sex before marriage. Do you give a shit about offending them? No, that's their problem. So deal with it, enjoy sex and stop judging other people for how they choose to live their sex lives, otherwise you just come across as someone who can't keep up with the times. Live and let live, old man. | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
On February 21 2012 11:37 sunprince wrote: I was misled as to which study you were referring to based on the description you gave. In the ultimatum game, the first player will choose to give the second player some amount of money so they have an incentive to accept the offer, but this is out of self-interest, not altruism. It's not an issue with social desirability bias, but the first player still doesn't offer money out of the goodness of their hearts. Rather, they're afraid the second player will leave them both with nothing out of spite due to a percieved injustice or slight to their honor. Yeah, I know that. I disagree though, only because there was an expanded study (I didn't link that if it's not in the meta analysis). This study found that behind computers, or when they just didn't have to face the other person (ex: other rooms), they would give them much less money. I'm talking about a dollar, maybe two, or less. What about then? There is still a perceived injustice, but that didn't matter in this case. In face to face, it was pretty much an even split (here's five, I'll take five). Socially isolated, it was completely lopsided (Here's 0.50, I'll take 9.50). In my opinion, people did this because they don't view screens so much as people (no mirror neurons firing and all that stuff I said earlier). People become extremely condescending and selfish in these cases. Edit: I really think that emotions are overlooked in life. People believe they are in complete control with with the logical part of the brain, but emotions have a ton of control and has many advantages that the logical brain simply doesn't have. After reading the Wiki page on 'Social desirability bias', it certainly clarify a vast majority of social occurrences. There a lot of instances where it would seems irrational for one person to give up a LTR with another and follow another subject despite any past emotional ties. Then you realized that the new kid on the block have displayed much higher dominance with the combination of speaking tones, facial expressions, and sense of humor. I think that this is what 'game' is all about. To be able to get in the mindset of the elites, use them as a mold to morph yourself. One's image will little by little gradually improve. Yeah, a lot of PUA is really a mix of psychology/sociology and some other sciences, along with a lot of communication studies. The reason I have a love/hate relationship with it though is that pick up absolutely massacres the findings or meanings of the studies in some cases. But they have their foundation in some solid stuff as well. There is also a emerging field of positive psychology (Search for Positive psychology Harvard to find a series of lectures on it) that its starting to blend with. I'd actually argue that PUA was kind of starting positive psychology before it really became as sophisticated as it is. [Edit: Then again there was the humanistic or client centered field of clinical psychology before PU] Obviously, these days I'd say positive psychology>PUA for mindset. But that is what happens when you have controlled studies and what not that aren't in pick up. | ||
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