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On February 11 2012 19:34 IDoNotAgree wrote:Let's say she brings up business management. You pace a story about how you worked in a business and everything was a chaos; Exaggeration a story that has really happened to you. Then what? Do you go into a story related to the business that has a different emotion to it? Or do you go into a different story not related to the business where everything was chaotic as well? Or something completely different?
Picture her as a guy. What would you say if one of your guy friends brought up (of all things) business management? You'd probably say: "Dude, why are we talking about this. Let's change the topic to something interesting." Do it with an asshole's smirk like you would with one of your guy friends. Chicks dig that sort of attitude.
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Question: I am good at dancing by myself, as a centerpiece, but I am clueless when it comes to dancing WITH a girl, or dancing within a crowd (I do sort of robotic/fluid moves, not dissimilar to MJ, that generally makes the onlooking crowd or group cheer at parties, people have noted how good I am etc). Question is, will a girl be impressed by a solo dancer, or do you need to be able to dance with her to get attention and make her want you?
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On February 11 2012 19:34 IDoNotAgree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 18:48 r.Evo wrote:
I want to see a certain "wow, this feels awesome" in her eyes.
So in short this (above) comes forth from this (below) Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 18:48 r.Evo wrote:
....some kind of place in time and space where everything can be light-hearted, fun and easy-going.
I mainly do day game (in Asia), so I've been trying not to be too much fun and confident, because girls will often conclude I'm some kind of player. Maybe I could try to create this feeling on the day 2, but my biggest problems is actually getting day 2's. Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 18:48 r.Evo wrote:I've been trying to make these topics more interesting; trying to communicate my values and talking in a way which isn't completely boring. However it's still miles away from "sparkles in her eyes". I think I know where you're coming from and I'll suggest to use a simple switch in your mindset: Don't try to make those topics more interesting, BE more interested in them. Be passionate about whatever you're talking about. Take stuff lightly and with a wink. Yeah that's what I try to do, but I haven't been able to keep it going for longer than 1 or 2 sentences. Your (Squatting's) example gave me a lot of ideas though. I just need to talk about the following in a silly way and involve her: -what my work means for other people in the long and short run -what my work means for me -anything she is likely to know related to my work -generalizations about my work or something related -simple explanation I'm not that interested in my own work. ;p I just realized I can easily shift the topic to what I want to do instead. I'll try your method of opening, maybe next time I do some night game. Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 18:48 r.Evo wrote:
The concept behind this is the answer to your question about how to make stuff more interesting. Make it emotional. If you talk about how you love a certain food you have to describe it in a way as if you're eating it right now and she wants some as well. If you describe a beautiful landscape (I usually describe one of my martial arts training camps we have during summer) you have to feel it as if you were there. You want to have her say/think "Wow, that sounds awesome I wish I'd have seen that, too!"
Practice this stuff in your daily life. Storytelling. If you talk about awesome food, people should want to eat it. If you talk about awesome places, people should want to be there. If you talk about any experience, people should want to make that experience as well. Be passionate. ~ That's in a nutshell how you get someone to roll along.
NLP/theory version: You state-break whatever she was doing/thinking/feeling, give her something intense but senseless to do/think/feel which you're experiencing as well (pacing). - Then you (emotionally) pick her up from there and lead her to the next experience.
Repeat this process of pacing (let her talk too, doh!) and leading for 15-20 minutes and it will feel as if it was 1-2 hours. During those 15-20 minutes you are able to successfully screen her for stuff (give me an example you'd like to screen, then I can give a more concrete idea) and, if you still like her, can isolate and escalte further. Kino obv starts with the opening, but nothing "heavy" until after this phase.
I've been trying to do this, but I can only do this somewhat successfully for a few topics. For this to be successful you need to be able to describe a certain experience which create these emotions, but I don't have a lot of emotional experiences. Of course you can easily exaggerate the emotions in any experience, but for some topics I have no experience at all. For example, some topic I have trouble with are: studying English, her job/study, where I live. Though as I'm writing this I'm getting some ideas, maybe I just haven't given it a serious attempt. How do you go about leading to the next experience? Let's say she brings up business management. You pace a story about how you worked in a business and everything was a chaos; Exaggeration a story that has really happened to you. Then what? Do you go into a story related to the business that has a different emotion to it? Or do you go into a different story not related to the business where everything was chaotic as well? Or something completely different?
First of all I gotta say that I definitly have fuck no idea about your culture over there and how it influences the whole dating culture. I'm fine with the asian girls I've met around here, but most of them (while more shy than the locals) have been in the country for 10+ years. Germany has the huge (dis-)advantage of being a melting pot of cultures so we basicly have everything around and most have their own sub-scenes and clubs where they hang, but for asians there just aren't enough of them to really do their own thing.
Basicly the only Asians I'm seeing here in groups among themselves are Japanese who are hired by the bigger companies. =D
tl;dr version for day 2s: Talk to her, have fun with her for 10ish minutes and then either bounce her to a café and do your "day 2" right there (instant-date) or be along the lines of "wow, you are a lot of fun, any idea how we can continue this some other time?" ... if the conversation was cool for her there is usually not a lot that keeps her from giving you her number. Be ready for some small resistance though ("Oh, no, sorry, I have a boyfriend!" - "Wowow, I said I think you're a cool person, I don't want to marry you." / *random hesitation* "Oh, don't worry. I'll just sit at home for the next two weeks and won't have anything better to do than call you about 15 times per day. Only 10 times per night though since I probably will need some sleep. After a few days." etc. pp.)
How do you go about leading to the next experience?
Let's say she brings up business management. You pace a story about how you worked in a business and everything was a chaos; Exaggeration a story that has really happened to you. Then what? Do you go into a story related to the business that has a different emotion to it? Or do you go into a different story not related to the business where everything was chaotic as well? Or something completely different?
Either you're lucky and you actually are reminded of something and connect it to the current topic or you pretend you're reminded of something and pretend it has something to do with the current topic. e.g. You're talking about business management (usually sounds like an incredibly boring topic unless, good point, you got some funny story where shit was going TOTALLY chaotic but somehow it was still fun) and then you can be like "Oh, by the way that reminds me of a story I read yesterday. Did you know that that the people in LA aren't allowed to play frisbee anymore at the beach? They are fining KIDS for kicking footballs over there." ... about 70% of the time (especially if she is okay with the conversation she will just go along with it, if you get called out for the fact that there is like NO connection what so ever you can shrug it off with a "Oh, yeah, my brain sometimes makes awesome connections, does that never happen to you?" and all is good again.
"Oh, that reminds me of..."
"Now that you're saying that I read yesterday that..."
"While we're at it, did you know that..."
A good practice is, once again, doing stuff like that with your buddies and, bonus exercise, if you get called out you make out some kind of logical connection with the original topic on the spot. e.g. "Business management" -> "chaotic" -> "big cities" -> "LA".
Back top pickup this type of thoughtprocess enables you to instantly find 3-4 possible topics from wherever you started once you get used to it. If you get called out that you make no sense you can pull out some chain of thoughts out of your ass (which usually makes somewhat sense since so much stuff can be connected) and see if she reacts to any of it.
e.g. you're at the business management talk, try to switch to some stupid law in LA, she calls you out for it. "Oh, yeah, my brain makes sometimes awesome connections. Does that never happen to you? ... I was like: 'Business management is chaotic, I find big cities chaotic and confusing as hell and despite that I always wanted to visit Los Angeles.' - That's what reminded me of that stupid law. Anyway, is there a place for you which you always wanted to visit but never got around to go for it?"
Please note that basicly ANY chain of thoughts that makes sense creates some kind of a mental "yes-chain" with the person who listens. Basicly free "bonus points" in terms of rapport out of nowhere so to speak. You're kinda getting the other person to agree to listen to you further without saying anything with actual content, but that's slightly drifting off-topic.
On February 12 2012 00:44 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Question: I am good at dancing by myself, as a centerpiece, but I am clueless when it comes to dancing WITH a girl, or dancing within a crowd (I do sort of robotic/fluid moves, not dissimilar to MJ, that generally makes the onlooking crowd or group cheer at parties, people have noted how good I am etc). Question is, will a girl be impressed by a solo dancer, or do you need to be able to dance with her to get attention and make her want you?
If you draw attention from the people around you and are not obviously influenced by it (the guy who suddenly tries to be the big MC who get's people to copy him) you create attraction. Whoever is in the spotlight is usually more attractive than some guy no one likes to watch. (hint: We're talking about the "wow, cool"-spotlight not the "LOL LOOK AT THAT MOVEMENT-DYSLEXIC DUDE"-spotlight)
Have fun on the dancefloor, don't give a shit about others and then... watch out for those damn approach invitations. Girls who "accidently" bump into you multiple times (you bumping into them doesn't count) might be candidates. Look up, see if you can get eye-contact. If you walk away from the dance floor, watch for dat eye-contact. If you managed to pull off something hilarious that someone can talk to you about (think physical peacocking here) you might even be "approached" by a girl.
EMBARASSING STORY TIME YO.
A wing of mine I just love to go out with is dancing argentine tango since like 5 years. Since I'm dancing salsa since like 3 years we had one club night where he was like THAT SONG RIGHT THERE WOULD BE SO PERFECT FOR TANGO and I'm like SHOW ME DUDE LOL. In the end we were leading each other (we switched who played the woman like every song) for like 15-20 minutes and literally EVERY SINGLE GIRL was staring at us and pointing fingers. However, since we both knew what we were doing, laughed our asses off during breaks and switched roles including the most stupid poses (need to get them titties back into position, yo!) we came off some mix between confident, insane and drunk.
What happened afterwards was one girl slapping my wings ass on the way off the dance floor and a girl from a different group asking me "So, how long are you and your buddy together?" while giggling like mad. We (unintended) both ended up demanding drinks from those two and ended up doing 5 questions game at the bar while their (female) buddies stood around us laughing and watching.
-> 2 dudes who just looked crazy and were totally fine doing absolutely gay stuff on the dancefloor are surrounded by 8+ girls at the bar afterwards who are all laughing and seemingly have lots of fun.
Every female who got a glimpse of that was easy game for the rest of the night. (End result for me were 2 KCs and like 6-7 numbers which all resulted in day 2s, can't remember what my wing got out of it but it wasn't shabby either). Basicly once we were done with the groups and walked through the club we had girls burst out laughing or silently grinning when they saw us. -> "WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME, TELL ME RIGHT NOW OR... OR... OR ILL CALL YOUR MOM AND ASK HER." -> "Hihihihi I saw you earlier hihihi" -> normal game.
Whenever I'm going out with that guy and we're having a rough start it ends with LETS PULL OUT THE BIG GUNS and the story above repeats itself in terms of success.
tl;dr: If you manage to pull off something that every other guy would be ashamed of (anything that's perceived as "gay" is e.g. very powerfull. Both against guys and to get lots of attention from girls. - Basicly you're either really into men or you're a heterosexual who is INCREDIBLY confident with his sexuality.), and look as if you're having insane amounts of fun you will get attention. Attention is usually followed by some kind of approach from the girl (girls are so bad at this, watch out) or invitations via eye-contact, poses, etc. - Abuse those spots well, seducing a girl that gave you an invite is like the easiest set possible to pull off unless you go full retard mode.
On the dancefloor basicly every dude who is capable of more than nodding with the beat without looking like a douche cannoe is instantly high-value imoimo. =P
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On February 10 2012 13:50 r.Evo wrote:First of all, the women who are interested in pickup (most of them got laid by a PUA who told them about it and discovered the scene that way, some end up there via some self-help suggestions or inner-game stuff) are an incredibly source of inspiration and feedback.
e.g. in the two larger local Lairs we have around 10 women (I'd say that equals about 10%) who visit meetings regulary, go out in the field with the guys and wing/get winged. While female game is an entirely diferent subject - it does exist and it's nothing evil either. And, I can't stress this hard enough: Feedback from women on certain aspects of your game is fucking huge and a great way to improve.
The female perspective on some PUAs is also loads of fun. Quote from one of my favorite cats: "So I was approached by this dude and he fucking kept talking for like 2 hours and I was like WOW FUCKING KISS ME AND TAKE ME HOME UR HOT BUT YOU TALK SO MUCH FUCKING SHIT."
You missed what I was responding too. Koven was suggesting bringing random girls into the thread in order to share their opinions, as if a random girl is an authority on dating. This fits into the sadly common mainstream attitude that you should do what women tell you to. In reality, those who try end up acting like AFCs from romantic comedies, only to find that women in real life don't actually sleep with those types when they don't look like Ryan Gosling.
Thanks to decades of media-influenced socialization, most women today don't know anything about how male-on-female seduction works (most men don't either). If Koven had suggested bringing in female PUAs, or experienced pivots/wingwomen, or professional escorts, then yes, I would acknowledge their expertise. However, his suggestion was to bring in random girls, as if their word would carry some sort of expertise in this discussion simply by virtue of them having a vagina. The truth is, most girls are just as clueless as most guys (or even moreso) when it comes to seduction.
On February 10 2012 13:50 r.Evo wrote:Many women feel cheated, offended or violated when learning that they just spent the night with you because you are a learning from the PUA community? The fuck. Work on your frames. I can proudly say that every single girl I had more than a one-night stand with (and I hate those anyway, weren't that many - I prefer affairs) knew what I was doing. Most of the time, before we had sex.
You're misquoting me; please reread what I actually wrote.
The main point I'm making here is that the default impression of the PUA community is negative (c'mon, just look at some of the responses in this thread). That doesn't mean you can't easily ignore the stigma once you've established rapport, but it's generally not a solid idea to bring it up beforehand, thanks to shitty PR by the seduction community and societal hypocrisy about impression management.
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On February 10 2012 13:52 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Yes, that's very true  . What do you mean by dominance? Do you mean confidence? :S
Dominance as in social/sexual dominance, or being in charge, making decisions, and leading (the inverse of submissive or passive). It means commanding and telling others what to do as opposed to being told what to do. In the realm of seduction, it typically means taking the initiative and making the approach and eventually guiding the woman into bed. You'll find that plenty of PUA literature suggests you should lead girls, and not the other way around.
While there are exceptions, the majority of girls prefer their men to tell them what to do and make decisions. Guys who prefer to be subservient are not generally considered sexually attractive except in very specific subcultures; being a passive guy is a major disadvantage unless you manage to hang out with girls who are unusually forward.
Sexually, academic research also suggests that women prefer their men to sexually dominate them and not the other way around.
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On February 12 2012 00:44 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Question: I am good at dancing by myself, as a centerpiece, but I am clueless when it comes to dancing WITH a girl, or dancing within a crowd (I do sort of robotic/fluid moves, not dissimilar to MJ, that generally makes the onlooking crowd or group cheer at parties, people have noted how good I am etc). Question is, will a girl be impressed by a solo dancer, or do you need to be able to dance with her to get attention and make her want you?
The best advice I ever got was women see dancing as sex. Just go up to them and imagine you're having sex with them (gripng, grinding, deep sighing, etc). Which part of NZ are you in? Christchurch is perfect for gaming, many emotionally needy chicks at the moment.
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On February 12 2012 00:44 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Question: I am good at dancing by myself, as a centerpiece, but I am clueless when it comes to dancing WITH a girl, or dancing within a crowd (I do sort of robotic/fluid moves, not dissimilar to MJ, that generally makes the onlooking crowd or group cheer at parties, people have noted how good I am etc). Question is, will a girl be impressed by a solo dancer, or do you need to be able to dance with her to get attention and make her want you?
Why do you need to dance at all?
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For the San Diego folks, club Stingaree tonight. PM me ur number if ur down.
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On February 12 2012 10:52 Garth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 00:44 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Question: I am good at dancing by myself, as a centerpiece, but I am clueless when it comes to dancing WITH a girl, or dancing within a crowd (I do sort of robotic/fluid moves, not dissimilar to MJ, that generally makes the onlooking crowd or group cheer at parties, people have noted how good I am etc). Question is, will a girl be impressed by a solo dancer, or do you need to be able to dance with her to get attention and make her want you?
Why do you need to dance at all?
Why wouldn't he want to dance? :S
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POF is getting ridiculously easy. I don't even feel like going out to clubs its so damn easy...
Anyways, sorry for not having the complete chat log, POF sort of lost the earlier ones.
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Got her number one like Thursday. Set up a date on Sunday. I get free tickets once in a while to The Improv comedy show. I took her there. Being the only Asian, and the fact that I sit up front, I am always called out. And as a couple, the comedian picked on us for some witty dialogue. Its always about relationships and he asked us how long we known each other. She of course screamed first date.
THe comedian calls tells the waitress to bring two patron shots, and calls us up on stage, and told us to make out. We complied lol. Then I carried her in my arms off stage. The comedian told us that he hoped we **** tonight. After the show, I asked if she had to go or she wanted to hang out for a bit, she wanted to hang out. This chick apparently plays World of Warcraft for no apparent reason. I pulled her to my place by telling her the cool games I had. Gamers delight! Then I put on a video hopped on to bed. We started making out. Everything was going good till I start taking her pants off. She got last minute resistance. I just played it cool. Went back to watching some more of the movie, and tried again. I asked her where the most sensitive part of her body was, she said the v-line near the hip bone. Did that, and just smooth sail escalated to lay.
I swear, with POF dates, 50% end in lay the first night.
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That comedian is such a bro.
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On February 13 2012 20:54 Sotamursu wrote:
That comedian is such a bro.
Its the luck of the draw lol. Last time I took a black chick to the comedy show for a date and she yelled out "Asian". The fucking comedian went on a 10 minute segment about Asians with small d1cks lol. As you can tell... that date didn't go so well lmao.
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On February 12 2012 02:28 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 19:34 IDoNotAgree wrote:On February 10 2012 18:48 r.Evo wrote:
I want to see a certain "wow, this feels awesome" in her eyes.
So in short this (above) comes forth from this (below) On February 10 2012 18:48 r.Evo wrote:
....some kind of place in time and space where everything can be light-hearted, fun and easy-going.
I mainly do day game (in Asia), so I've been trying not to be too much fun and confident, because girls will often conclude I'm some kind of player. Maybe I could try to create this feeling on the day 2, but my biggest problems is actually getting day 2's. On February 10 2012 18:48 r.Evo wrote:I've been trying to make these topics more interesting; trying to communicate my values and talking in a way which isn't completely boring. However it's still miles away from "sparkles in her eyes". I think I know where you're coming from and I'll suggest to use a simple switch in your mindset: Don't try to make those topics more interesting, BE more interested in them. Be passionate about whatever you're talking about. Take stuff lightly and with a wink. Yeah that's what I try to do, but I haven't been able to keep it going for longer than 1 or 2 sentences. Your (Squatting's) example gave me a lot of ideas though. I just need to talk about the following in a silly way and involve her: -what my work means for other people in the long and short run -what my work means for me -anything she is likely to know related to my work -generalizations about my work or something related -simple explanation I'm not that interested in my own work. ;p I just realized I can easily shift the topic to what I want to do instead. I'll try your method of opening, maybe next time I do some night game. On February 10 2012 18:48 r.Evo wrote:
The concept behind this is the answer to your question about how to make stuff more interesting. Make it emotional. If you talk about how you love a certain food you have to describe it in a way as if you're eating it right now and she wants some as well. If you describe a beautiful landscape (I usually describe one of my martial arts training camps we have during summer) you have to feel it as if you were there. You want to have her say/think "Wow, that sounds awesome I wish I'd have seen that, too!"
Practice this stuff in your daily life. Storytelling. If you talk about awesome food, people should want to eat it. If you talk about awesome places, people should want to be there. If you talk about any experience, people should want to make that experience as well. Be passionate. ~ That's in a nutshell how you get someone to roll along.
NLP/theory version: You state-break whatever she was doing/thinking/feeling, give her something intense but senseless to do/think/feel which you're experiencing as well (pacing). - Then you (emotionally) pick her up from there and lead her to the next experience.
Repeat this process of pacing (let her talk too, doh!) and leading for 15-20 minutes and it will feel as if it was 1-2 hours. During those 15-20 minutes you are able to successfully screen her for stuff (give me an example you'd like to screen, then I can give a more concrete idea) and, if you still like her, can isolate and escalte further. Kino obv starts with the opening, but nothing "heavy" until after this phase.
I've been trying to do this, but I can only do this somewhat successfully for a few topics. For this to be successful you need to be able to describe a certain experience which create these emotions, but I don't have a lot of emotional experiences. Of course you can easily exaggerate the emotions in any experience, but for some topics I have no experience at all. For example, some topic I have trouble with are: studying English, her job/study, where I live. Though as I'm writing this I'm getting some ideas, maybe I just haven't given it a serious attempt. How do you go about leading to the next experience? Let's say she brings up business management. You pace a story about how you worked in a business and everything was a chaos; Exaggeration a story that has really happened to you. Then what? Do you go into a story related to the business that has a different emotion to it? Or do you go into a different story not related to the business where everything was chaotic as well? Or something completely different? First of all I gotta say that I definitly have fuck no idea about your culture over there and how it influences the whole dating culture. I'm fine with the asian girls I've met around here, but most of them (while more shy than the locals) have been in the country for 10+ years. Germany has the huge (dis-)advantage of being a melting pot of cultures so we basicly have everything around and most have their own sub-scenes and clubs where they hang, but for asians there just aren't enough of them to really do their own thing. Basicly the only Asians I'm seeing here in groups among themselves are Japanese who are hired by the bigger companies. =D tl;dr version for day 2s: Talk to her, have fun with her for 10ish minutes and then either bounce her to a café and do your "day 2" right there (instant-date) or be along the lines of "wow, you are a lot of fun, any idea how we can continue this some other time?" ... if the conversation was cool for her there is usually not a lot that keeps her from giving you her number. Be ready for some small resistance though ("Oh, no, sorry, I have a boyfriend!" - "Wowow, I said I think you're a cool person, I don't want to marry you." / *random hesitation* "Oh, don't worry. I'll just sit at home for the next two weeks and won't have anything better to do than call you about 15 times per day. Only 10 times per night though since I probably will need some sleep. After a few days." etc. pp.) Show nested quote +How do you go about leading to the next experience?
Let's say she brings up business management. You pace a story about how you worked in a business and everything was a chaos; Exaggeration a story that has really happened to you. Then what? Do you go into a story related to the business that has a different emotion to it? Or do you go into a different story not related to the business where everything was chaotic as well? Or something completely different? Either you're lucky and you actually are reminded of something and connect it to the current topic or you pretend you're reminded of something and pretend it has something to do with the current topic. e.g. You're talking about business management (usually sounds like an incredibly boring topic unless, good point, you got some funny story where shit was going TOTALLY chaotic but somehow it was still fun) and then you can be like "Oh, by the way that reminds me of a story I read yesterday. Did you know that that the people in LA aren't allowed to play frisbee anymore at the beach? They are fining KIDS for kicking footballs over there." ... about 70% of the time (especially if she is okay with the conversation she will just go along with it, if you get called out for the fact that there is like NO connection what so ever you can shrug it off with a "Oh, yeah, my brain sometimes makes awesome connections, does that never happen to you?" and all is good again. "Oh, that reminds me of..." "Now that you're saying that I read yesterday that..." "While we're at it, did you know that..." A good practice is, once again, doing stuff like that with your buddies and, bonus exercise, if you get called out you make out some kind of logical connection with the original topic on the spot. e.g. "Business management" -> "chaotic" -> "big cities" -> "LA". Back top pickup this type of thoughtprocess enables you to instantly find 3-4 possible topics from wherever you started once you get used to it. If you get called out that you make no sense you can pull out some chain of thoughts out of your ass (which usually makes somewhat sense since so much stuff can be connected) and see if she reacts to any of it. e.g. you're at the business management talk, try to switch to some stupid law in LA, she calls you out for it. "Oh, yeah, my brain makes sometimes awesome connections. Does that never happen to you? ... I was like: 'Business management is chaotic, I find big cities chaotic and confusing as hell and despite that I always wanted to visit Los Angeles.' - That's what reminded me of that stupid law. Anyway, is there a place for you which you always wanted to visit but never got around to go for it?" Please note that basicly ANY chain of thoughts that makes sense creates some kind of a mental "yes-chain" with the person who listens. Basicly free "bonus points" in terms of rapport out of nowhere so to speak. You're kinda getting the other person to agree to listen to you further without saying anything with actual content, but that's slightly drifting off-topic. Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 00:44 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Question: I am good at dancing by myself, as a centerpiece, but I am clueless when it comes to dancing WITH a girl, or dancing within a crowd (I do sort of robotic/fluid moves, not dissimilar to MJ, that generally makes the onlooking crowd or group cheer at parties, people have noted how good I am etc). Question is, will a girl be impressed by a solo dancer, or do you need to be able to dance with her to get attention and make her want you? If you draw attention from the people around you and are not obviously influenced by it (the guy who suddenly tries to be the big MC who get's people to copy him) you create attraction. Whoever is in the spotlight is usually more attractive than some guy no one likes to watch. (hint: We're talking about the "wow, cool"-spotlight not the "LOL LOOK AT THAT MOVEMENT-DYSLEXIC DUDE"-spotlight) Have fun on the dancefloor, don't give a shit about others and then... watch out for those damn approach invitations. Girls who "accidently" bump into you multiple times (you bumping into them doesn't count) might be candidates. Look up, see if you can get eye-contact. If you walk away from the dance floor, watch for dat eye-contact. If you managed to pull off something hilarious that someone can talk to you about (think physical peacocking here) you might even be "approached" by a girl. EMBARASSING STORY TIME YO.A wing of mine I just love to go out with is dancing argentine tango since like 5 years. Since I'm dancing salsa since like 3 years we had one club night where he was like THAT SONG RIGHT THERE WOULD BE SO PERFECT FOR TANGO and I'm like SHOW ME DUDE LOL. In the end we were leading each other (we switched who played the woman like every song) for like 15-20 minutes and literally EVERY SINGLE GIRL was staring at us and pointing fingers. However, since we both knew what we were doing, laughed our asses off during breaks and switched roles including the most stupid poses (need to get them titties back into position, yo!) we came off some mix between confident, insane and drunk. What happened afterwards was one girl slapping my wings ass on the way off the dance floor and a girl from a different group asking me "So, how long are you and your buddy together?" while giggling like mad. We (unintended) both ended up demanding drinks from those two and ended up doing 5 questions game at the bar while their (female) buddies stood around us laughing and watching. -> 2 dudes who just looked crazy and were totally fine doing absolutely gay stuff on the dancefloor are surrounded by 8+ girls at the bar afterwards who are all laughing and seemingly have lots of fun. Every female who got a glimpse of that was easy game for the rest of the night. (End result for me were 2 KCs and like 6-7 numbers which all resulted in day 2s, can't remember what my wing got out of it but it wasn't shabby either). Basicly once we were done with the groups and walked through the club we had girls burst out laughing or silently grinning when they saw us. -> "WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME, TELL ME RIGHT NOW OR... OR... OR ILL CALL YOUR MOM AND ASK HER." -> "Hihihihi I saw you earlier hihihi" -> normal game. Whenever I'm going out with that guy and we're having a rough start it ends with LETS PULL OUT THE BIG GUNS and the story above repeats itself in terms of success. tl;dr: If you manage to pull off something that every other guy would be ashamed of (anything that's perceived as "gay" is e.g. very powerfull. Both against guys and to get lots of attention from girls. - Basicly you're either really into men or you're a heterosexual who is INCREDIBLY confident with his sexuality.), and look as if you're having insane amounts of fun you will get attention. Attention is usually followed by some kind of approach from the girl (girls are so bad at this, watch out) or invitations via eye-contact, poses, etc. - Abuse those spots well, seducing a girl that gave you an invite is like the easiest set possible to pull off unless you go full retard mode. On the dancefloor basicly every dude who is capable of more than nodding with the beat without looking like a douche cannoe is instantly high-value imoimo. =P
PUA players: "Embarrasing story time yo: LOOK AT ME I'M SO AWESOME I GET ALL THE CHICKS!"
Normal game.
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On February 13 2012 19:18 squattincassanova wrote:# 13 POF is getting ridiculously easy. I don't even feel like going out to clubs its so damn easy... Anyways, sorry for not having the complete chat log, POF sort of lost the earlier ones. Got her number one like Thursday. Set up a date on Sunday. I get free tickets once in a while to The Improv comedy show. I took her there. Being the only Asian, and the fact that I sit up front, I am always called out. And as a couple, the comedian picked on us for some witty dialogue. Its always about relationships and he asked us how long we known each other. She of course screamed first date. THe comedian calls tells the waitress to bring two patron shots, and calls us up on stage, and told us to make out. We complied lol. Then I carried her in my arms off stage. The comedian told us that he hoped we **** tonight. After the show, I asked if she had to go or she wanted to hang out for a bit, she wanted to hang out. This chick apparently plays World of Warcraft for no apparent reason. I pulled her to my place by telling her the cool games I had. Gamers delight! Then I put on a video hopped on to bed. We started making out. Everything was going good till I start taking her pants off. She got last minute resistance. I just played it cool. Went back to watching some more of the movie, and tried again. I asked her where the most sensitive part of her body was, she said the v-line near the hip bone. Did that, and just smooth sail escalated to lay. I swear, with POF dates, 50% end in lay the first night.
Do you pay a subscription to POF? I can't get registered on it from Belgium, and when I go back to Mexico I wanted to try it out, but it says they don't accept registrations from Mexico either at this time, even though I've seen profiles that put their location as Mexico City... Weird.
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How could you lift that girl omg.
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On February 14 2012 02:56 mdb wrote:
How could you lift that girl omg.
Right.... cuz everyone on the internet is banging Victoria Secret super models right? Haha.
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On February 14 2012 03:01 squattincassanova wrote:Right.... cuz everyone on the internet is banging Victoria Secret super models right? Haha.
Do you ever fear that posting all of this might bite you in the ass one day? I mean PUA is not really my thing and my luck with the ladies could be better. But putting private conversations, recorded audio, and pictures of girls up here and on youtube seems kind of like something that might come back and bite you in the ass when you actually do find a keeper. Unless she's ok with the thousands of sets and you posting private stuff like this. :D
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On February 14 2012 03:11 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:01 squattincassanova wrote:On February 14 2012 02:56 mdb wrote:
How could you lift that girl omg. Right.... cuz everyone on the internet is banging Victoria Secret super models right? Haha. Do you ever fear that posting all of this might bite you in the ass one day? I mean PUA is not really my thing and my luck with the ladies could be better. But putting private conversations, recorded audio, and pictures of girls up here and on youtube seems kind of like something that might come back and bite you in the ass when you actually do find a keeper. Unless she's ok with the thousands of sets and you posting private stuff like this. :D
This is actually very true. My audio recordings not very much, but the local girls.... yeah I totally need to be more careful, some know where I live .... -_-;
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On February 12 2012 10:44 Greater Spire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 00:44 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Question: I am good at dancing by myself, as a centerpiece, but I am clueless when it comes to dancing WITH a girl, or dancing within a crowd (I do sort of robotic/fluid moves, not dissimilar to MJ, that generally makes the onlooking crowd or group cheer at parties, people have noted how good I am etc). Question is, will a girl be impressed by a solo dancer, or do you need to be able to dance with her to get attention and make her want you? The best advice I ever got was women see dancing as sex. Just go up to them and imagine you're having sex with them (gripng, grinding, deep sighing, etc). Which part of NZ are you in? Christchurch is perfect for gaming, many emotionally needy chicks at the moment.
This sums up PUA pretty much bang on. Straight from the horse's mouth.
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On February 14 2012 03:28 Mjolnir wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:44 Greater Spire wrote:On February 12 2012 00:44 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Question: I am good at dancing by myself, as a centerpiece, but I am clueless when it comes to dancing WITH a girl, or dancing within a crowd (I do sort of robotic/fluid moves, not dissimilar to MJ, that generally makes the onlooking crowd or group cheer at parties, people have noted how good I am etc). Question is, will a girl be impressed by a solo dancer, or do you need to be able to dance with her to get attention and make her want you? The best advice I ever got was women see dancing as sex. Just go up to them and imagine you're having sex with them (gripng, grinding, deep sighing, etc). Which part of NZ are you in? Christchurch is perfect for gaming, many emotionally needy chicks at the moment. This sums up PUA pretty much bang on. Straight from the horse's mouth.
I agree with the emotionally needy part from experience, but taking advantage of people who recently suffered a catastrophe is just f'd up, compared to say a girl with social problems and is emotionally needy.
That said, be very careful even with that sort of group. There's 3 groups that sometimes fit into this that I try to stay away from at least in my part of the world:
1) Christians fundamentalist girls. They're weird. They go to social events / places where interaction with dudes is really obvious, and anything beyond small talk or friend-making is usually in vain and they tend to have pretty strong auto-defensive measures. They're a no-go and I keep away from them.
2) Orientals. At first I tried to stay away for the following reason. Even the ones that are actually more social can be pretty closed off. "I have my group of friends and I'm not too fond of meeting and getting to know new people unless they're around me and spend time with me as much as my group of friends" sort of behavior. Filipinos, unsurprisingly, are a lot better, seeing how they're a lot more Americanized. Now the reason why I said I try to stay away from them, is that with this group I fail not to try. I've been following SC since late '06, which has given me a huge bias. My university is half-Oriental, and I see them in many other places. Also, because I like a challenge, making friends / relationships with some people who are pretty un-social and ethnocentric unless you somehow become their good friend is a grand challenge tbh (especially considering I'm not East asian descended). At least to me they seem to be more intellectual on average (most aren't, like any sort of people, but on average they tend to be rather better), so I actually prefer them for that reason to. Overall, if you're looking for some kind of relationship, they're a lot more effort than other girls. I don't know what advantage there is if you're Asian, because I'm not, but I'd imagine it would be pretty helpful (eg. people of my own heritage, I barely ever see them and yet they're really fond of me just on having parents/grandparents from similar countries, not to mention personality and other things :S).
3) Arabs. No, I'm not talking about Sharia Saudis (these you want to stay away at all costs unless you're also a Sharia Saudi). I'm talking about even Christian Lebanese and Iraqis. A good many fit into grouping #1, but even the ones who aren't in #1 tend to be on the side of anti-relationship/anti-sexual until they're going to get married and then it's usually with someone in their community and with so much community/familial overwatch that you'd think it's almost arranged :S.
In case any may be wondering, none of these groups are strangers to me. I grew up in a Christian family, and have known many, many actually hardcore ones throughout my life. I've seen / met / observed almost as many Orientals in SoCal as I have Mexicans which is quite a feat, and most of my friends and acquaintances in univ. are actually Asian. I've known quite a few Lebanese folks and I know a whole community of Iraqis a bit ways east.
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