On February 07 2012 09:43 squattincassanova wrote: Since he is my mentor, my opinion obviously is biased but yes hes good. In January, I opened on average 2-3 sets a night. By Feb, one month after meeting him, I was opening about 20 sets a night. He learned pick up synthetically so he can break down everything from a practical stand point. All his homeworks are action based. If you get a good grade, you get a discount, if you get a bad grade, you get a penalty. PM me if you want to know more, I don't want to be promoting anything on a general PUA thread. His videos are all over Youtube too.
What I would prefer is a bootcamp + a long term coaching program. Bootcamps aren't designed to get you good over the weekend. Its designed to give you good approach habits/ethics. Lets say you were approaching 5 sets a night, and after a bootcamp, the instructor drills in your head to approach more and you end up doing 20 sets a night afterwards. That in itself is worth it because now you are learning 4x the rate.
To be successful you really just need the following 3 things:
1. Field time / number of approaches / number of nights out 2. Have faith and actually believe you will actually get good 3. Take risks in the set. Every time you ask yourself if you should do something, do it. Should I touch her hand? Do it. Should I kiss her? Do it. Should I move her, do it. if you can follow directions based on what the coach tell you, people get ridiculous results.
You're missing the most important thing: Analyze your sets correctly and find out where you're "leaking". If you have shown some of the FRs you posted in here to your coaches and they didn't instantly yell "ohgawdhowdoyounotknowthisstuff!?" they either don't want to crush your spirit, don't give a fuck about you or are horrible coaches.
Yup, I just said it. Pick which suits you most.
Your approach-to-success-ratio is worse than ANY OTHER guy I know who ever attempted to become better at PU over 3+ months. Add to that that someone like me who is by no means coaching pickup professionally can find dozens of bad habits / actions in your FRs pretty much means you're doing something wrong. My personal guess it's about that "approachmore approachmore"-mindset that some retarded coach burned into your head.
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On February 07 2012 13:13 Azzur wrote: In my opinion, game is over-rated because it is the creme de la creme - what is far more useful is for a man to have good basics - self confidence (i.e. non-neediness) and self-respect. These 2 characteristics will shine through and attract girls, rather than any special technique he may choose to employ. What game does (if done successfully) is to elevate a man to even high levels but many guys are not chasing that.
When people say that game works and has transformed their lives, it's more that going to those workshops or overcoming their approach anxiety has given them increased confidence. This is the factor, not some special game technique.
To use a SC2 analogy - macro is the basic confidence whilst micro (game) will elevate your play even further.
You're kinda right. Basicly the goal is to somehow make an action happen that's out of the dudes comfort zone which also leads to a positive reinforcement. That's how confidence in someones abilities is built in a nutshell. Once you gain confidence in multiple abilities and in more situations in your daily life your general confidence when approaching new things starts to rise.
However, whether you get those first positive reinforcements from getting a cool reaction to a canned opener, doing something social that involves girls (for me personally dancing Salsa & doing Martial Arts were two VERY big things that improved my 'game') or being dragged along by a ravaging PUA and witness some "magic" happen doesn't matter at all.
All that matters in terms of confidence is somehow to a) get that spiral of "action -> positive reinforcement -> more action" going and b) to somehow push through plateaus where similar actions start to net no results because you're simply being unlucky.
Literally the WORST thing that can happen to someone who finally got his act together and starts doing something is to be blown off sets too often and too quickly. A strong coach will find (sometimes sleazy) ways to net you positive feedback from girls to get that whole thing starting.
On February 07 2012 09:43 squattincassanova wrote: Since he is my mentor, my opinion obviously is biased but yes hes good. In January, I opened on average 2-3 sets a night. By Feb, one month after meeting him, I was opening about 20 sets a night. He learned pick up synthetically so he can break down everything from a practical stand point. All his homeworks are action based. If you get a good grade, you get a discount, if you get a bad grade, you get a penalty. PM me if you want to know more, I don't want to be promoting anything on a general PUA thread. His videos are all over Youtube too.
What I would prefer is a bootcamp + a long term coaching program. Bootcamps aren't designed to get you good over the weekend. Its designed to give you good approach habits/ethics. Lets say you were approaching 5 sets a night, and after a bootcamp, the instructor drills in your head to approach more and you end up doing 20 sets a night afterwards. That in itself is worth it because now you are learning 4x the rate.
To be successful you really just need the following 3 things:
1. Field time / number of approaches / number of nights out 2. Have faith and actually believe you will actually get good 3. Take risks in the set. Every time you ask yourself if you should do something, do it. Should I touch her hand? Do it. Should I kiss her? Do it. Should I move her, do it. if you can follow directions based on what the coach tell you, people get ridiculous results.
You're missing the most important thing: Analyze your sets correctly and find out where you're "leaking". If you have shown some of the FRs you posted in here to your coaches and they didn't instantly yell "ohgawdhowdoyounotknowthisstuff!?" they either don't want to crush your spirit, don't give a fuck about you or are horrible coaches.
Yup, I just said it. Pick which suits you most.
Your approach-to-success-ratio is worse than ANY OTHER guy I know who ever attempted to become better at PU over 3+ months. Add to that that someone like me who is by no means coaching pickup professionally can find dozens of bad habits / actions in your FRs pretty much means you're doing something wrong. My personal guess it's about that "approachmore approachmore"-mindset that some retarded coach burned into your head.
I am not here to claim I'm the best pick up guy.... there are certainly better guys out there. A lot actually. However you are full of shit because your claims are vague and are numberless.
The statistical MEDIAN number of sexual partners for a male across the US = 8 partners (total life time). Let me reiterate. That means half of the people in America from birth to death have sex with less than 8 partners and half with more than 8 partners.
Given the fact that: 1. I accumulated 12 new lays in 1 year 2. 95% of guys don't succeed. 3. Most guys in pickup start out below average
To say that Every guy you ever knew who attempted pickup did better than 12 lays in one year is pretty much bullshit. I am not bragging about this number. I'm simply stating that you are full of shit. The typical lair guy is creepy and awkward and so socially flawed that they be lucky to get one lay the first year. Hell it took Tyler Durden 18 months to get his first lay.
Second of all: I am not saying my in-field audios are flawless. I am making it to get feedback. But its always easy to reverse analyze something and find out the mistakes. Its like after a stock market crashed, everyone knows why. Would you know before hand? Feel free to buy your own 40$ microphone and start posting some audio. I would love to hear your style of game. Otherwise, your claims without numbers or actual proof of doing a single lay means nothing to me. I care about facts and proof. You showing a video of you pulling same night with a hot girl means more than 10000 pages of your essays on this thread.
On February 07 2012 09:43 squattincassanova wrote: Since he is my mentor, my opinion obviously is biased but yes hes good. In January, I opened on average 2-3 sets a night. By Feb, one month after meeting him, I was opening about 20 sets a night. He learned pick up synthetically so he can break down everything from a practical stand point. All his homeworks are action based. If you get a good grade, you get a discount, if you get a bad grade, you get a penalty. PM me if you want to know more, I don't want to be promoting anything on a general PUA thread. His videos are all over Youtube too.
What I would prefer is a bootcamp + a long term coaching program. Bootcamps aren't designed to get you good over the weekend. Its designed to give you good approach habits/ethics. Lets say you were approaching 5 sets a night, and after a bootcamp, the instructor drills in your head to approach more and you end up doing 20 sets a night afterwards. That in itself is worth it because now you are learning 4x the rate.
To be successful you really just need the following 3 things:
1. Field time / number of approaches / number of nights out 2. Have faith and actually believe you will actually get good 3. Take risks in the set. Every time you ask yourself if you should do something, do it. Should I touch her hand? Do it. Should I kiss her? Do it. Should I move her, do it. if you can follow directions based on what the coach tell you, people get ridiculous results.
You're missing the most important thing: Analyze your sets correctly and find out where you're "leaking". If you have shown some of the FRs you posted in here to your coaches and they didn't instantly yell "ohgawdhowdoyounotknowthisstuff!?" they either don't want to crush your spirit, don't give a fuck about you or are horrible coaches.
Yup, I just said it. Pick which suits you most.
Your approach-to-success-ratio is worse than ANY OTHER guy I know who ever attempted to become better at PU over 3+ months. Add to that that someone like me who is by no means coaching pickup professionally can find dozens of bad habits / actions in your FRs pretty much means you're doing something wrong. My personal guess it's about that "approachmore approachmore"-mindset that some retarded coach burned into your head.
I am not here to claim I'm the best pick up guy.... there are certainly better guys out there. A lot actually. However you are full of shit because your claims are vague and are numberless.
The statistical MEDIAN number of sexual partners for a male across the US = 8 partners (total life time). Let me reiterate. That means half of the people in America from birth to death have sex with less than 8 partners and half with more than 8 partners.
Given the fact that: 1. I accumulated 12 new lays in 1 year 2. 95% of guys don't succeed. 3. Most guys in pickup start out below average
To say that Every guy you ever knew who attempted pickup did better than 12 lays in one year is pretty much bullshit. I am not bragging about this number. I'm simply stating that you are full of shit. The typical lair guy is creepy and awkward and so socially flawed that they be lucky to get one lay the first year. Hell it took Tyler Durden 18 months to get his first lay.
Second of all: I am not saying my in-field audios are flawless. I am making it to get feedback. But its always easy to reverse analyze something and find out the mistakes. Its like after a stock market crashed, everyone knows why. Would you know before hand? Feel free to buy your own 40$ microphone and start posting some audio. I would love to hear your style of game. Otherwise, your claims without numbers or actual proof of doing a single lay means nothing to me. I care about facts and proof. You showing a video of you pulling same night with a hot girl means more than 10000 pages of your essays on this thread.
Oh, so now the statistical median suddenly is an appealing measure of success for you, interesting...
To say that Every guy you ever knew who attempted pickup did better than 12 lays in one year is pretty much bullshit. I am not bragging about this number. I'm simply stating that you are full of shit. The typical lair guy is creepy and awkward and so socially flawed that they be lucky to get one lay the first year. Hell it took Tyler Durden 18 months to get his first lay.
I said "your success to approach ratio is fucking awefull", which means you must be doing some very basic things horribly wrong. Your FRs show those things very accurately and none of your "coaches" seems to care. You don't care. You just approach 500 sets more, claiming that is how you improve. Newsflash: You will. Just as slowly as you have done it all the time.
And yes, every single person I know irl who attempted to "try PU" and stuck with it for more than 3 months had a success ratio better than 166:1. DO YOU EVEN REALIZE HOW HORRIBLE THIS RATIO IS FOR SOMEONE WHO IS DOING THIS SHIT FOR THIS LONG AS YOU DO?
If someone does pickup for 1+ year, looks as well as you and has apparently the best coaches in the world right at his side but SOMEHOW can't push a stronger ratio then something in his fundamentals is very, very wrong. If you'd like me to, I will gladly grab one of your FRs and point out the points I'm talking about. However, you don't come across as someone who wants to improve, but rather as someone who wants a pat on the back saying "Well done, keep it up!"
PS: I am probably one of the very few people in this thread who actually give you respect for the amount of time you put into succeeding. Hell, I even get PMs from people telling me that I'm "doing a good job of shutting that squattin guy up". It's not my intention to bash you or make you shut up. The plain fact that you dedicate this much time into PU as you do means big props in my book. However, when you try to tell other people that your method is as awesome as you claim it is I will step in.
tl;dr: The amount of results you get considering the amount of time you put into it and considering the coaches you claim to have your back is awefull. It's actually abysmal. I have witnessed countless methods of people trying to improve at this and similar things over the years and you're getting the price for the 2nd least effective one. (Don't even ask me about #1, lol.)
Cool story bro. I'll care when you put up a video cuz right now, you are nothing more than a keyboard jockey. Also, two different units of measure. One is life time stats. The other is one year stats. If someone made more money in one year than the average person does in his life time, hes doing well.
Clearly you don't actually go out nor do you have any real sense of what the community is like because you would know what the failure rate is. The fact that you claim that everyone you know is getting amazing results in 3 months is pretty funny. Has anyone become famous playing the piano for 3 months? Or played basketball for 3 months? PU is no different than learning a sport or an instrument. You can't become legendary in 3 months, not enough time to re-wire your brain in that short amount of time to become legendary.
On February 08 2012 02:59 squattincassanova wrote: Cool story bro. I'll care when you put up a video cuz right now, you are nothing more than a keyboard jockey. Also, two different units of measure. One is life time stats. The other is one year stats. If someone made more money in one year than the average person does in his life time, hes doing well.
Clearly you don't actually go out nor do you have any real sense of what the community is like because you would know what the failure rate is. The fact that you claim that everyone you know is getting amazing results in 3 months is pretty funny. Has anyone become famous playing the piano for 3 months? Or played basketball for 3 months? PU is no different than learning a sport or an instrument. You can't become legendary in 3 months, not enough time to re-wire your brain in that short amount of time to become legendary.
The fuck. Where did I say "Legendary status"? All I'm saying is that 166:1 is worse than any other person I know in any of the Lairs I was part of over the last 3+ years. Yes, I'm aware of the total nutcases who can't talk straight or look like a worse version of quasimodo. However, I'm sorry for not taking those extremes into consideration when making comparisons to you.
You keep projecting the fact that you can't accept that your method is awefull onto others, that's also why you end up misquoting me all over the place.
But hey, keep telling a girl that asks you to buy her a drink "Maybe later." - stuff like that has nothing to do with "rewiring" your brain. In fact it's so basic that you'd get smacked by every non-PUA coach who works in a similar field (hint: me).
LOL so I just finally took the liberty of reading one of the links you enjoy providing to back up your glorious statistics.
Method of Study
Then we determined how many lay reports were on that forum. For lay reports, we followed traditional community doctrine: a BJ or better= lay report. Most forums have these reports marked as “LR” so it's pretty easy to spot them. In some cases, we included “FR” reports where the poster got laid, even if he did not mark the report “LR.”
If a forum member had multiple LRs, we counted him as 1 active poster getting laid. Then we used the following formula to determine what percentage of active members are getting laid:
members getting laid ÷ total active members= %
For example, if a forum had 100 active posters, and 10 guys with at least 1 LR, that forum would be at a 10% success rate.
This guy says he has a degree in psychology in philosophy, yet he doesn't have any idea on how to conclude a study.
Personally, I have posted... lemme think... about 6-7 FRs total and 1 LR. Lifetime. Over 3+ years. Why? Because #1, posting a LR usually means the person is in desperate need of guys patting his back saying "well done!!!11" and #2 posting FRs makes no sense if you didn't identify your sticky spots in the first place.
All FRs I posted in my life where to get solid input from a larger audience, not to attentionwhore. Also, excuse me for being part of an awesome Lair with like... real people who were able to answer questions and support me in-field.
Allright, I propose a study on TL about how many people have won SC2 tournaments. Let's take the number of total users and divide it through the amount of posts about someone winning a tournament. From this number we can clearly conclude how effective the guides on TL are.
The fuck?
Edit: Another fun fact, just checked to make sure:
Here's some cumulative stats: TOTAL ACTIVE POSTERS ON ALL FORUMS: 10,371
The biggest german PUA forum ALONE has 80000 members total (We have about 3 smaller ones which I personally prefer - not counting the private/paid ones). If I only count active members in the last half year from only ONE FORUM I'm at 22040 total. That entire .pdf is no "serious study", it's an advertisement of his site (which SOMEHOW ends u p winning with 16.xx%).
Just from a lurkers perspective Squatting: you seem like that dude stuck in bronze that thinks mass gaming makes him better. because obviously you win sometimes.... that makes you awesome.
Evo seems to be genuine & trying to help you out, but you spit in his face.
And a piece of advice from me. STOP BEING SUCH AN ELITIST ATTENTION WHORE CRYBABY.
Just be cool and not a douchebag & people will like you. The dude you are pretending to be is a bit of an ass. I wouldnt want to hang with him.
(awaiting either a defensive or an agressive response, because thats what an asshole would reply with)
It's called being an all-round great guy, having high self-esteem, taking care of yourself physically and going after what you want.
It's really fucking easy to get laid. idk what the hell you all think you gotta go to nightclubs and roam around the streets hunting women for?
and then none of you even have standards. You'll do anything/anyone just to get a "Lay Report" so you can get your next fix of validation from all the other desperate "PUA's" that look up to you and think you're so amazing.
Dont hate on cassanova. When i enlisted in the army at 17 till about 22 my whole life revolved around getting laid. You grow outta it when you get older. Sadly all hes learned about getting laid is useless in trying to form an actual meaningful relationship. I know from personal experience. See once I started trying to do more than just get in their pants I found that I was clueless. I could talk them outta their panties on the way home from the bar but out side of that I had nothing. Thats what happen when you treat the woman as a set, or a goal, or a lay. Sex becomes the end goal not just a stop on the way. But look id say caasnova is doin fine. He obviously likes starcraft hes got that goin for him if nothing else. Hes got hobbies works out ect. He will grow outta this. Well hopefully. If hes still on this past say 26 27 at the top end thats pretty pathetic.
On February 08 2012 11:09 KoveN- wrote: See there is no such thing as "pickup"
It's called being an all-round great guy, having high self-esteem, taking care of yourself physically and going after what you want.
It's really fucking easy to get laid. idk what the hell you all think you gotta go to nightclubs and roam around the streets hunting women for?
and then none of you even have standards. You'll do anything/anyone just to get a "Lay Report" so you can get your next fix of validation from all the other desperate "PUA's" that look up to you and think you're so amazing.
It's ridiculous.
maybe it's easy for you. it's not easy for me. what should i do? follow your advice of "IT'S EASY" or follow squatti's number's game?
i'd gladly accept your offer to show me real life how easy it is to get laid. srsly. i'm even willing to travel. need some adventure right now =-)
ps: i'm not trying to be offensive in the slightest. i'd be so blown away if you'd want to go out ... but you're probably living in a land far far away. so i'm hoping for r.evo's mercy right now!!!!! R.EVO!! YOUR TURN!
pps: i know some dudes who have a ridiculously easy time getting laid, but i just can't be like them. just can't. they are so goddamn macho and self-confident. i'm not right now. saying "it's easy" doesn't help a single bit.
On February 08 2012 11:20 Detwiler wrote: Dont hate on cassanova. When i enlisted in the army at 17 till about 22 my whole life revolved around getting laid. You grow outta it when you get older. Sadly all hes learned about getting laid is useless in trying to form an actual meaningful relationship. I know from personal experience. See once I started trying to do more than just get in their pants I found that I was clueless. I could talk them outta their panties on the way home from the bar but out side of that I had nothing. Thats what happen when you treat the woman as a set, or a goal, or a lay. Sex becomes the end goal not just a stop on the way. But look id say caasnova is doin fine. He obviously likes starcraft hes got that goin for him if nothing else. Hes got hobbies works out ect. He will grow outta this. Well hopefully. If hes still on this past say 26 27 at the top end thats pretty pathetic.
i wish someone would tell me that i'd "grow beyond this", like your implying about squatticassanova. but i'm not right now. seems like squatti is doing something right and i'm doing something wrong.
i hate to defend squatti like that. i'm not even trying to. i just hate that i'm living this bullshit life right now.
On February 08 2012 11:09 KoveN- wrote: See there is no such thing as "pickup"
It's called being an all-round great guy, having high self-esteem, taking care of yourself physically and going after what you want.
It's really fucking easy to get laid. idk what the hell you all think you gotta go to nightclubs and roam around the streets hunting women for?
and then none of you even have standards. You'll do anything/anyone just to get a "Lay Report" so you can get your next fix of validation from all the other desperate "PUA's" that look up to you and think you're so amazing.
It's ridiculous.
maybe it's easy for you. it's not easy for me. what should i do? follow your advice of "IT'S EASY" or follow squatti's number's game?
i'd gladly accept your offer to show me real life how easy it is to get laid. srsly. i'm even willing to travel. need some adventure right now =-)
ps: i'm not trying to be offensive in the slightest. i'd be so blown away if you'd want to go out ... but you're probably living in a land far far away. so i'm hoping for r.evo's mercy right now!!!!! R.EVO!! YOUR TURN!
pps: i know some dudes who have a ridiculously easy time getting laid, but i just can't be like them. just can't. they are so goddamn macho and self-confident. i'm not right now. saying "it's easy" doesn't help a single bit.
I feel ya. Sorry, I get kinda mad when I see PUA guys acting like they're all amazing when really they're just empty shells, going around, getting laid for validation, so they can feel better about themselves temporarily.
Then having new guys come along, not knowing this and they strive to be just like their "PUA mentors" and Boom you have the PUA community.
The way to being happy AND having amazing abundance with women is to avoid the PUA community altogether.
I don't have a method for you. Maybe I should make one, these PUA "gurus" seem to be making a fair amount of money off their products.
But here are some ways to create high self-esteem, have amazing experiences that will make you a more centered, interesting and stronger person.
1. Play a team sport. (soccer, rugby, football whatever.) I played footy most my teen life and never had a problem getting girls, all of my friends were the same. I believe it's because of the social atmosphere that comes with a team sport and the mental/physical and emotional resilience that the sport creates in you.
2. Do Martial Arts. Any kind. You want to be tougher, more mentally resilient. Martial Arts is great for this. I recommend Muay Thai. It's hard and being around tough guys and fighting them will beat any nervousness and weakness out of you. Women want strong, confident men and this is how you become one.
3. Dancing. Find a style of dance and a studio near you. Best to find one with the hottest girls and go get some dance lessons. Go there every week for a lesson. You will be dancing, touching and being really close to attractive women. Leading a woman in dance does something to her that only Sex and dance can. If you do anything on this list let it be THIS.
4. Learn to Surf. It's just good. Surfers get laid.
There's prolly more but that's stuff from top of my head ATM.
Problem is, alot of guys won't do these things because they're afraid, scared or not sure. So they never try. Oh well!
On February 08 2012 11:27 squattincassanova wrote: Pickup threads are always funny.
50% say it doesn't work and its full of shit 50% say its too easy, just "be confident" 99% are keyboard jockeys.
1% (That's me) actually walking you through pickup through my eyes with actual weekly approaches and recordings.
If my lay count is too low, I'm a newb. If my lay count is too high, I'm a sleazy womanizer. You cant win! lol!
Get over yourself, you're a fake and you're full of shit. One day you're gonna wake up and realise you have nothing going for you because you spent years roaming around hunting women for no gain whatsoever.
I have a wonderful girlfriend and not interested in getting into a "I've had THIS many lays", ego measuring contest.
EPT
