On February 05 2012 12:41 Rekrul wrote: squattin it's fluxx night tonight, u gunna teach me PU?
Fluxxx is really loud. My dance floor game isn't strong. I suck dick at dancing. Something I am working on in the secret of my bedroom lol. PM me and I'll gladly demo/wing with ya on Saturdays.
Fuck, I want a Rekrul story about how you teach him how to pick up gurls.
Probably not a good idea, but going to put this video here anyways. And yes, people say: "wow, you did 2000 sets and you only got 12 lays, thats 0.6% success rate noob!"
Have some respect for the process and journey rather than the actual result. A lot of times, I will try things out and it blow me out of the set. But trial and error and pushing the limit is what will get you calibrated. Making a part 2 and part 3 soon.
On February 04 2012 14:36 NDDseer wrote: Once you cut out the bickering and posing, the nuggets of truth here are really good.
After having tons of fun with this thread I can say I agree with the above more or less. You can develop "game" on your own without ever knowing about pua through trial and error, being outgoing, at ease with yourself and into sports, and it's probably a million times more genuine, but I'm sure there are people out there who really need this so I'm not gonna jugde it too hard.
I do have to say, though, that it definitely also produces megatons of creepy, douchy, lame and pathetic guys who will annoy numerous hot women and convince them men truly are retards XD
And some of these "pua masters", especially the one who looks like a crossbreed between a giraffe and lady Gaga, I'm not sure I'd ever trust their advice haha.
The last pic was smoking hot Squattin', too bad you didn't get to tap that :p gl and have fun with Rekrul on your adventures!
To be honest, as a student of psicology I've studying perception and delusion for the last few months and well, I've read the game about a year ago, I though it was a pretty good book and two of my closests friends are very into this PUA thing, one of them even charges a lot of money to give classes, obviously I won't say their names...
What I'm about to say doesn't mean it's a bad thing that people try to change their lifestyles and behaviors as to be more attractive to the opposite sex. Because evolution is about having more offspring than your other species or your neighbours, getting some is essential to every average male on earth, it really is the purpose of life, but...
What the PUA community sells is hope. Yea, hope is quite a product. It's has been done in the past with religions that promise to improve your life, with self help groups that promise to improve your life, [1] cults (how do you call people that believe in Chi or Ki or whatever) that promise to improve your life, hell in this modern capitalist society even companies sell hope, like Amway. [2] The difference between all of these lie in what kind of hope they sell, the way they sell it though it's basically the same.
There is always a leader or Guru that is a living example that the whole thing works, they claim to know how to help people become more creative, intelligent, healthy, and rich. Or whatever variation. They always make money out of preaching, doing seminars, hotel conferences, etc, these always end with them telling the audience to go out and go straight to recruit as many followers, or to a night club to chase some tail... Does the method work? it's impossible to know because everybody claims to have a method that works, it isn't backed by scientific research that shows that people in the PUA community get more tail, well some of them do, it's math if you go to night clubs every weekend that's for sure but that probably doesn't have to do too much with the method itself, some of these PUA gurus always emphasize asking many many many girls, it's obvious dude, the more you ask, the likely you get a yes... and the more experience you have the easier it's going to be for you to get a yes, but the gurus do make a living out of teaching their method...
The gurus always reinforce their method by testimonials of satisfied customers, anecdotes, etc. Because these are biased and just plain wishful thinking it's no wonder it looks like every customer is satisfied. I saw the Mystery reality show twice (it was pretty fun), see how he had two friends helping him to reinforce the notion that the method works because those two student-patners are succesful, but succes is an individual thing. It always is. I'm sorry to break it to some but if you are young, handsome, go to clubs a lot, take care of looking good and excercise you will get some tail [3], even if you don't have all of those characteristics you will get some regardless, it is natural. And all the succesful people in the Mystery reality show guess what... had those characteristics. Some of them said they didn't get some (anecdotes) but also claim they maybe didn't try enough... oh well that's it buddy.
And selling hope, selling the hope that you have an edge over other men of getting some. Wow that must feel really good, I mean what man doesn't like to believe he can get more tail that others? Since cavemen era men have told others histories about them getting some, it's all that, basically, but now they throw some psicology and body language into it to make it look like it works and if you're not convinced throw in a thousand anecdotes to show that it works, but never one that says something negative.
The parallels between the PUA community and the self-help methods that started in the 40's is incredible. It all started with a couple of guys with a method to acomplish something, then it turned into a business of seminars and conferences, then some of the people in the original method departed from it and started doing their method of selling hope and they all have in common that if it doesn't work for you it's because you didn't try hard enough. ^^
You may want to read these 2: Oh and sorry about the source I'm bored alright I don't feel like finding a better source for all of these.
Its true. Most people DONT try try hard enough. I open 20 sets a night. Most people open maybe 2-3. I stay in the set until girls want to punch me in the face. Most people leave at the first sight of uncomfort. I spend 6 hours on pickup home work. Most people just read material. I take a note card into the club with things I want to work on. Most people go in there and wing it. I follow a general structure and push each phase, most people don't. I consistently go out every week, most people skip weeks.
I workout, read fashion, take improv comedy, take acting classes, practice photography for online gaming and facebook pimpin. Most people look like shit when they go out.
Bottom line, most people are lazy fucks and never succeed in anything in life. Being successful in PUA is no different than being amazing at basketball or being amazing at any other endeavor. Same reason why people who read monkey making books don't all become millionaires. People don't implement. People dont jump into action. They read some shit, feel good about them selves, and then don't follow through. 95% fail in pickup. Only 5% succeed. Thats the sad fact. 1 in 20 get it, the other 19 will fail.
On February 06 2012 04:03 Nevermind86 wrote: To be honest, as a student of psicology I've studying perception and delusion for the last few months and well.
Your argumentation makes no fucking sense at all, however your first sentence explains very accurately why. You don't go and "study delusion and perception" over a few months. Either you study people who are able to delude and percept artfully or you try doing it yourself. Investing time purely into theory makes as much sense as studying the theory of the prisoners dilemma. Is it cool? Yeah, kinda. Does that "studying" have any effect on anyones daily life? Nope, sry.
As a student of psychology you should be very well aware that the plain theory and the application are two entirely different things in a lot of cases.
Your chain of argumentation pretty much goes like this: PU is about changing your behavioural patterns to get more tail. However, no one does that but everyone just sells the hope of getting more tail and that's how all PUA instructors make more money.
How the fuck can you claim that ANY change in your behavioural patterns won't have an effect on the people you interact with?
Let's face it: There are millions of dudes in todays society who are huge, whiney pussies. They are the ones opening blogs with "she does what she wants with me and I do anything for her but she doesn't do it for me what am I doing wrong?" or "I always end up friend-zoned why me?! QQQ!!!"
Why is that? Because they never learned how to deal with those types of things. Because their behavioural patterns SCREAM "Please like me, I will do whatever you want if you just like me!" which is probably the most unattractive trait someone can posess. Todays society eliminated solving problems with violence. It eliminated the physically stronger automatically being on top of the food chain. It also pretends to eliminate a food chain chain based of which family someone is born into.
What it CANT eliminate is which traits and behavioural patterns are attractive to the other gender. A man has to be someone who can smack every other man that moves close to your potential offspring into pieces. Someone who defends a cave, hunts for food and show every other god damn male on this planet that he is the guy who fucks the prom queen. So, to make it very clean and simple:
A strong PUA will convey those (and similar) values in a socially acceptable way.
That is literally all that there is to it. Pickup is about conveying a certain image (whether true or not isn't discussed here) that makes you look more attractive. That's the core of pickup. Nothing more.
The people who sound like "self-help" and push forward that you "should develop your character" so that you automatically convey those images instead of having to act to do so are either overly idealistic retards (hint: I count myself into this category) or people who understand how humans & businesses work.
To say it very simple, once again:
It is incredibly easy to say "I'm working on my inner self first before I approach another set!" instead of fucking going out there and doing it.
Anyone who fucks around with mental exercises and "developing character" without a practial addition to it is either extremely strong when it comes to.. let's say "adjusting" someones behavioural patterns (hint: possible, but very rare) or a fucktard who probably knows what he's doing who wants your money (hint: very possible and very damn likely).
@squattin: I just had my usual hiatus from this thread but realized I wanted to go through your long ass FR ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=229041¤tpage=71#1408 ) and give you some feedback on it 'cause imo it showed some pretty easy to fix leaks with the stuff you're doing. Gimme a shout unless you're like "Oh, yeah, I have improved sooo much since then!!1"
This stuff is sad. People need to just learn to be be happy with their selves. If there is any "secret" thats it. Because once you are you will actually have confidence instead of just pretending to have it and following a formula. You can bullshit your way into a girls pants but you know what? Next morning is on the way and you can only pretend to be someone your not for so long. Eventually that mask is gonna crack. All this stuff might get you a date might get you laid but if you are going to have any meaningful relationship in your life you are going to have to accept who you are and be comfortable with it. From there you surround yourself with like minded people and before you know it you will be happy and productive and able to present yourself with true confidence.
On February 07 2012 02:32 Detwiler wrote: This stuff is sad. People need to just learn to be be happy with their selves. If there is any "secret" thats it. Because once you are you will actually have confidence instead of just pretending to have it and following a formula. You can bullshit your way into a girls pants but you know what? Next morning is on the way and you can only pretend to be someone your not for so long. Eventually that mask is gonna crack. All this stuff might get you a date might get you laid but if you are going to have any meaningful relationship in your life you are going to have to accept who you are and be comfortable with it. From there you surround yourself with like minded people and before you know it you will be happy and productive and able to present yourself with true confidence.
Getting laid != working on your self-esteem.
Also not everone is blessed with pressing a button which says "I am now comfortable with me my life and everything!" - please share that button with us though since you seem to have found it.
On February 07 2012 02:32 Detwiler wrote: This stuff is sad. People need to just learn to be be happy with their selves. If there is any "secret" thats it. Because once you are you will actually have confidence instead of just pretending to have it and following a formula. You can bullshit your way into a girls pants but you know what? Next morning is on the way and you can only pretend to be someone your not for so long. Eventually that mask is gonna crack. All this stuff might get you a date might get you laid but if you are going to have any meaningful relationship in your life you are going to have to accept who you are and be comfortable with it. From there you surround yourself with like minded people and before you know it you will be happy and productive and able to present yourself with true confidence.
LOL? Who said anything about bullshitting into girls pants? Every girl that's ever been with me, I'm the best thing that's ever happened to them. They all want to marry me. But I don't want to marry them because they never worked on themselves. They are not as awesome as me.
Let me ask you. How many guys have these girls been with thats:
1. got the body of a Greek god 2. has humor like Katt Williams 3. is educated with a chemical engineer degree 4. has a cool bedroom 5. goes to cool places and and has an amazing collection of photography 6. gives great massages 7. speaks multiple languages 8. is well cultured and a frequent reader. 9. is chill and always happy
Why do you think I have all these traits? Because I fucking worked at them. Once you do something long enough, you aren't faking it anymore. It becomes the real you. It would be stupid to say.... im not really buff and good looking, I'm really just a scrawny guy with a muscle suit. How absurd is that? Its like saying I am not really funny after taking 2 years of comedy... and that I am faking it. No...when you work on shit for 1-2 years.... you are being not doing. When you go to college, are you faking intelligence or are you simply getting smarter along the way? Think about it.
Here are 20 qualities I look in girls besides their attractiveness / genetics: And yes, I actually sat down and thought about this all by myself and I didn't copy and paste from somewhere else.
Qualities I like in Girls Well traveled, been to different locations Speak more than one language Well educated in school Attention to detail Open to try new things Is not a whiner Eats healthy and has a healthy lifestyle Knows how to handle herself in different social circles Has goals in terms of career Keeps her place nice and tidy Can cook Coordinated and not clumsy Enjoys comedy and witty bantering Would be faithful in a relationship Quick learner Is in general happy and has a positive vibe Gives me space and independence Has good sense of fashion but is not a brand whore Has general curiosity in life Is artistic and enjoys good photography and artwork
Why do I make this list? So I can screen girls with qualities that I value and also I get to qualify them on it.
On February 07 2012 02:32 Detwiler wrote: This stuff is sad. People need to just learn to be be happy with their selves. If there is any "secret" thats it. Because once you are you will actually have confidence instead of just pretending to have it and following a formula. You can bullshit your way into a girls pants but you know what? Next morning is on the way and you can only pretend to be someone your not for so long. Eventually that mask is gonna crack. All this stuff might get you a date might get you laid but if you are going to have any meaningful relationship in your life you are going to have to accept who you are and be comfortable with it. From there you surround yourself with like minded people and before you know it you will be happy and productive and able to present yourself with true confidence.
LOL? Who said anything about bullshitting into girls pants? Every girl that's ever been with me, I'm the best thing that's ever happened to them. They all want to marry me. But I don't want to marry them because they never worked on themselves. They are not as awesome as me.
Let me ask you. How many guys have these girls been with thats:
1. got the body of a Greek god 2. has humor like Katt Williams 3. is educated with a chemical engineer degree 4. has a cool bedroom 5. goes to cool places and and has an amazing collection of photography 6. gives great massages 7. speaks multiple languages 8. is well cultured and a frequent reader. 9. is chill and always happy
Why do you think I have all these traits? Because I fucking worked at them. Once you do something long enough, you aren't faking it anymore. It becomes the real you. It would be stupid to say.... im not really buff and good looking, I'm really just a scrawny guy with a muscle suit. How absurd is that? Its like saying I am not really funny after taking 2 years of comedy... and that I am faking it. No...when you work on shit for 1-2 years.... you are being not doing. When you go to college, are you faking intelligence or are you simply getting smarter along the way? Think about it.
San Diego is 1,000x better than Seoul. It's America's Finest City, of course rekrul would be here. Enough said. In any case, I'm happy a famous TL'er is in my city .
What it CANT eliminate is which traits and behavioural patterns are attractive to the other gender. A man has to be someone who can smack every other man that moves close to your potential offspring into pieces. Someone who defends a cave, hunts for food and show every other god damn male on this planet that he is the guy who fucks the prom queen. So, to make it very clean and simple:
99% of the reason I've been in the process of regaining my old strength following 2 really bad injuries in the past 6 years was just to get really strong again. And for a guy who kind of grew up how I did, being physically and psychologically strong has always been a big deal to me. After reading this paragraph, it's been bumped down to 80%, because I'm realizing more and more that it's actually a big plus in regards to meeting ladies. Danke . Btw, except in places where being effeminate and a pussy is the paradigm (what I've been told about Korea comes to mind; I just hope it's false), you're pretty right about people being 'whiney pussies'. I advised some of my pals not to act like that, but then I realized they'd be out of their relationship within seconds if they actually tried to be more independent :/. A few of my break-ups have been because I am independent. lol. Let's face it, I'm not going to do every bidding of some girl and nothing for myself and still claim I have dignity. Call me sexist, idgaf. I still do more for them than they do for me anyways, but I'm my own person. I don't believe in subjugation of myself, especially for such a stupid reason.
Now I have a question regarding something that's always a buzzkill. First a bit of a foreword: I don't have a whole lot of free time, but I sometimes like conversing with and meeting people when I'm on my campus. The shocker is that a lot of the actually decent people on my campus can be pretty anti-social if they don't know you or have some kind of association with you. This college is known at least statewide for being notoriously anti-social. squattin should know what place I'm talking about. But since starting up the quarter again, I've been talking to people who I come across just to see what's up with them. Some people I can tell sorta feel squirmy because it's probably outside of their comfort zone, but with others who don't have a lot of trouble talking to random people, it goes better.
Now that aside, the buzzkill has been when I talk to said girls, meeting them for the first time, and their parental-indoctrinated shyness or influence of friends make them kinda not want to talk, or they think I'm hitting on them or something (when my sole purpose most of the time is simply to converse with people), I feel a bit awkward. I ask myself "What am I doing wrong?" because this sort of thing doesn't happen when I talk to more open girls. Still, given my shit luck, most the girls i've been interested in, especially oriental girls, are like that, so then I go after more open girls again and 'choose' one to date, but who also suffer from bipolarity and overdramatization and overemotion which are things that really bug me.
Now the question: So, as a challenge to myself, how do I get these specific 'quiet' girls interested in talking for a long time with someone outside of their comfort zone without me having the body of a Greek god haha (yet xp)? IMO, I think it could pay dividends in terms of relationship stability. Someone who doesn't mind that I have my own freedom and time, and who doesn't annoy me to death with drama or bipolar mood swings is a huge plus.
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. Btw, except in places where being effeminate and a pussy is the paradigm (what I've been told about Korea comes to mind; I just hope it's false), you're pretty right about people being 'whiney pussies'. I advised some of my pals not to act like that, but then I realized they'd be out of their relationship within seconds if they actually tried to be more independent :/. A few of my break-ups have been because I am independent. lol. Let's face it, I'm not going to do every bidding of some girl and nothing for myself and still claim I have dignity. Call me sexist, idgaf. I still do more for them than they do for me anyways, but I'm my own person. I don't believe in subjugation of myself, especially for such a stupid reason.
