On February 06 2012 04:03 Nevermind86 wrote: To be honest, as a student of psicology I've studying perception and delusion for the last few months and well, I've read the game about a year ago, I though it was a pretty good book and two of my closests friends are very into this PUA thing, one of them even charges a lot of money to give classes, obviously I won't say their names...
What I'm about to say doesn't mean it's a bad thing that people try to change their lifestyles and behaviors as to be more attractive to the opposite sex. Because evolution is about having more offspring than your other species or your neighbours, getting some is essential to every average male on earth, it really is the purpose of life, but...
What the PUA community sells is hope. Yea, hope is quite a product. It's has been done in the past with religions that promise to improve your life, with self help groups that promise to improve your life, [1] cults (how do you call people that believe in Chi or Ki or whatever) that promise to improve your life, hell in this modern capitalist society even companies sell hope, like Amway. [2] The difference between all of these lie in what kind of hope they sell, the way they sell it though it's basically the same.
There is always a leader or Guru that is a living example that the whole thing works, they claim to know how to help people become more creative, intelligent, healthy, and rich. Or whatever variation. They always make money out of preaching, doing seminars, hotel conferences, etc, these always end with them telling the audience to go out and go straight to recruit as many followers, or to a night club to chase some tail... Does the method work? it's impossible to know because everybody claims to have a method that works, it isn't backed by scientific research that shows that people in the PUA community get more tail, well some of them do, it's math if you go to night clubs every weekend that's for sure but that probably doesn't have to do too much with the method itself, some of these PUA gurus always emphasize asking many many many girls, it's obvious dude, the more you ask, the likely you get a yes... and the more experience you have the easier it's going to be for you to get a yes, but the gurus do make a living out of teaching their method...
The gurus always reinforce their method by testimonials of satisfied customers, anecdotes, etc. Because these are biased and just plain wishful thinking it's no wonder it looks like every customer is satisfied. I saw the Mystery reality show twice (it was pretty fun), see how he had two friends helping him to reinforce the notion that the method works because those two student-patners are succesful, but succes is an individual thing. It always is. I'm sorry to break it to some but if you are young, handsome, go to clubs a lot, take care of looking good and excercise you will get some tail [3], even if you don't have all of those characteristics you will get some regardless, it is natural. And all the succesful people in the Mystery reality show guess what... had those characteristics. Some of them said they didn't get some (anecdotes) but also claim they maybe didn't try enough... oh well that's it buddy.
And selling hope, selling the hope that you have an edge over other men of getting some. Wow that must feel really good, I mean what man doesn't like to believe he can get more tail that others? Since cavemen era men have told others histories about them getting some, it's all that, basically, but now they throw some psicology and body language into it to make it look like it works and if you're not convinced throw in a thousand anecdotes to show that it works, but never one that says something negative.
The parallels between the PUA community and the self-help methods that started in the 40's is incredible. It all started with a couple of guys with a method to acomplish something, then it turned into a business of seminars and conferences, then some of the people in the original method departed from it and started doing their method of selling hope and they all have in common that if it doesn't work for you it's because you didn't try hard enough. ^^
You may want to read these 2: Oh and sorry about the source I'm bored alright I don't feel like finding a better source for all of these.
honestly you seem to go along way to try and prove that the community somehow doesn't work because it's not "backed by science" well if anything psychology in and of itself is the last of all scientific branches so using that argument is retarded. i could rationalize that universities sell hope because they give you a degree but that does NOT guarantee you a job. it gives you a better percent chance at securing a job you want but you still have to go out and look for one, do well on the interview and have a good resume.
2nd off i doubt you even ever tried it nor even attempted anything in self improvement because you seem like a pretty cynical person towards anything and everything. can you please explain to me how i was a virgin for 20 years of my life and how i was finally able to cure that after learning pua? oh trust me the first 20 years of my life i was "trying" and going out there, and no the math did not go in my favor that if i kept asking i would eventually get laid. only when i learned how to do it the right way did i get laid. in fact the people i learn from are more along the lines of teachers and "not" gurus. they even tell me specifically that not everything is 100%, and that not everything works everytime nor should you ever call them a guru just a person who's on their own journey.
and if you're stupid enough to not be able to weed out the people who speak truth and weed out those who are scamming you i'd say you deserved to get scammed. it's still your job to figure out what's a con and what isn't in this day and age of society where we have free speech and advertisement. and your rant is about the marketing industry more so than the self help industry, if anything you should be mad at the people who hire these marketers because they're all the same for anyone who tries to sell a product. these marketers aren't any different from the people who make commercials trying to tell you to join their university to the guys who sell a rip off lose weight product.
posting a video of alistair overeem and a girl showing a positive reaction because she was PAID TO DO SO doesn't prove jack shit. cause it's totally normal for a ring girl to be in a bikini outfit on that day, on stage knowing she's recorded and to act negatively and show no emotion when she's paid to do so. in all obviousness physical attraction is an attraction, that's kind of common sense, just like wealth is. if you honestly think the pua is only out there to get positive reactions then you sir have no idea what you're talking about, and using the UFC vid as a testimony to physical attraction and not needing a method is rather weak.
On February 07 2012 05:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: San Diego is 1,000x better than Seoul. It's America's Finest City, of course rekrul would be here. Enough said. In any case, I'm happy a famous TL'er is in my city .
What it CANT eliminate is which traits and behavioural patterns are attractive to the other gender. A man has to be someone who can smack every other man that moves close to your potential offspring into pieces. Someone who defends a cave, hunts for food and show every other god damn male on this planet that he is the guy who fucks the prom queen. So, to make it very clean and simple:
99% of the reason I've been in the process of regaining my old strength following 2 really bad injuries in the past 6 years was just to get really strong again. And for a guy who kind of grew up how I did, being physically and psychologically strong has always been a big deal to me. After reading this paragraph, it's been bumped down to 80%, because I'm realizing more and more that it's actually a big plus in regards to meeting ladies. Danke . Btw, except in places where being effeminate and a pussy is the paradigm (what I've been told about Korea comes to mind; I just hope it's false), you're pretty right about people being 'whiney pussies'. I advised some of my pals not to act like that, but then I realized they'd be out of their relationship within seconds if they actually tried to be more independent :/. A few of my break-ups have been because I am independent. lol. Let's face it, I'm not going to do every bidding of some girl and nothing for myself and still claim I have dignity. Call me sexist, idgaf. I still do more for them than they do for me anyways, but I'm my own person. I don't believe in subjugation of myself, especially for such a stupid reason.
Good point, the bolded part is pretty damn huge. Basicly your typical "whining pussy" is a great man when it comes to a "nurturing relationship". He's the perfect dude to provide for children without complaining all while the woman can do whatever she pleases. Then the woman either realizes she doesn't need a whining guy at her side just to pay her rent or that she can have a guy who offers her a nurturing relationship without all the drama. Keep in mind though, that it needs a woman who worked on herself to appreciate an independant man. - If she didn't manage to fix her commitment issues or her fears of her guy cheating on her she will feel better in a relationship with a "pussy" kinda guy.
...or a woman realizes she can have a great nurturer all while having sex with the real guys. Some call em sluts, I call em clever. =P
Now I have a question regarding something that's always a buzzkill. First a bit of a foreword: I don't have a whole lot of free time, but I sometimes like conversing with and meeting people when I'm on my campus. The shocker is that a lot of the actually decent people on my campus can be pretty anti-social if they don't know you or have some kind of association with you. This college is known at least statewide for being notoriously anti-social. squattin should know what place I'm talking about. But since starting up the quarter again, I've been talking to people who I come across just to see what's up with them. Some people I can tell sorta feel squirmy because it's probably outside of their comfort zone, but with others who don't have a lot of trouble talking to random people, it goes better.
Now that aside, the buzzkill has been when I talk to said girls, meeting them for the first time, and their parental-indoctrinated shyness or influence of friends make them kinda not want to talk, or they think I'm hitting on them or something (when my sole purpose most of the time is simply to converse with people), I feel a bit awkward. I ask myself "What am I doing wrong?" because this sort of thing doesn't happen when I talk to more open girls. Still, given my shit luck, most the girls i've been interested in, especially oriental girls, are like that, so then I go after more open girls again and 'choose' one to date, but who also suffer from bipolarity and overdramatization and overemotion which are things that really bug me.
Now the question: So, as a challenge to myself, how do I get these specific 'quiet' girls interested in talking for a long time with someone outside of their comfort zone without me having the body of a Greek god haha (yet xp)? IMO, I think it could pay dividends in terms of relationship stability. Someone who doesn't mind that I have my own freedom and time, and who doesn't annoy me to death with drama or bipolar mood swings is a huge plus.
Elaborate on that part please. What does "make them kinda not want to talk" mean? Do they ignore you and walk away? Slap you in the face? Speak french? What is it that you perceive as "they don't want to talk to me!"? ... I'm asking here about what you actually observed in cases where this happened, not how you interpreted it.
Personally I have a history with those "bipolar overly dramatic emotionally" girls, so those were an absolute no go for serious relationships for me as well (hell, I wouldn't even want one night stands with the real nutcases, they'll find out where you live and write you letter -.-v).
What works well for me with "shy" or "quiet" girls is, in theory, similar to what squattin means when he refers to his "plowing", but I believe I do it in a very light-hearted and fun way. I might just ramble about something completely random, tease out a small grin out of her, throw her off-balance with a "oh wow, you DO have human reactions - that grin was kinda cute! - Yes, THAT grin. Oh gawd, stop it. - Hey btw., what are you studying here anyway? Oh wait, hold on, let me guess, let me..." blablabla. Basicly lots and lots of SMALL push&pull and teasing. Nothing big. Don't throw strong teases/push&pull at a shy girl or she'll be like "wtf does this douche want from me?! gtfo." =P
The important part ("or they think I'm hitting on them" is almost never happening to me and IF a girl asks that question in front of her friends she looks like a dumbass because I didn't look like that to her friends at all) is to keep it all in the mindset of "I'm having a LOT of fun talking to random people. Fuck, I wanna talk to someone now I can't shut my mouth oh gawd ima explode oh gawd OH HI YOU THERE OH MY GAWD I HAVE TO TELL YOU SOMETHING".
When I'm in the mood for pickup I most of the time resemble a squirrel on cocaine with the body of a scary viking (integrating opposites like this help a lot, they create character and enable you to have an easy run with a wider range of targets), however if you're more the chill and laid back type of guy gimme a shout and I've got another idea or two, but I believe that "high energy stuff" is waywayway easier to pull off conistently.
Edit @ the guy above me: Well played sir, well played. =D
2nd off i doubt you even ever tried it nor even attempted anything in self improvement because you seem like a pretty cynical person towards anything and everything. can you please explain to me how i was a virgin for 20 years of my life and how i was finally able to cure that after learning pua? oh trust me the first 20 years of my life i was "trying" and going out there, and no the math did not go in my favor that if i kept asking i would eventually get laid. only when i learned how to do it the right way did i get laid. in fact the people i learn from are more along the lines of teachers and "not" gurus. they even tell me specifically that not everything is 100%, and that not everything works everytime nor should you ever call them a guru just a person who's on their own journey.
and if you're stupid enough to not be able to weed out the people who speak truth and weed out those who are scamming you i'd say you deserved to get scammed. it's still your job to figure out what's a con and what isn't in this day and age of society where we have free speech and advertisement. and your rant is about the marketing industry more so than the self help industry, if anything you should be mad at the people who hire these marketers because they're all the same for anyone who tries to sell a product. these marketers aren't any different from the people who make commercials trying to tell you to join their university to the guys who sell a rip off lose weight product.
This is exactly the response expected of someone who defends a particular method of self-improvement. A biased anecdotal supported by memory doesn't make it true. There is no method to get laid, and self-improvement is not thinking about feeling better, what I simply stated is what the casanova guy said: You have to work hard in whatever you do and eventually it will pay. Maybe the PUA community gave you what self improvement groups usually do: A centred focus to achieve a particular goal, and that is very good sir. It would be good if you read any of the links I gave you though, I know it's a huge wall of text but it has a few things everybody should know. ^^
On February 07 2012 02:11 r.Evo wrote: Your argumentation makes no fucking sense at all, however your first sentence explains very accurately why. You don't go and "study delusion and perception" over a few months. Either you study people who are able to delude and percept artfully or you try doing it yourself. Investing time purely into theory makes as much sense as studying the theory of the prisoners dilemma. Is it cool? Yeah, kinda. Does that "studying" have any effect on anyones daily life? Nope, sry.
Honestly this is one of the dumbest things I've read. I plan to study perception and delusion for the next 10 years or more, you realize that judging by my age I had to start at some point right? so there is nothing wrong with a "few months", dumb ass.
2nd off i doubt you even ever tried it nor even attempted anything in self improvement because you seem like a pretty cynical person towards anything and everything. can you please explain to me how i was a virgin for 20 years of my life and how i was finally able to cure that after learning pua? oh trust me the first 20 years of my life i was "trying" and going out there, and no the math did not go in my favor that if i kept asking i would eventually get laid. only when i learned how to do it the right way did i get laid. in fact the people i learn from are more along the lines of teachers and "not" gurus. they even tell me specifically that not everything is 100%, and that not everything works everytime nor should you ever call them a guru just a person who's on their own journey.
and if you're stupid enough to not be able to weed out the people who speak truth and weed out those who are scamming you i'd say you deserved to get scammed. it's still your job to figure out what's a con and what isn't in this day and age of society where we have free speech and advertisement. and your rant is about the marketing industry more so than the self help industry, if anything you should be mad at the people who hire these marketers because they're all the same for anyone who tries to sell a product. these marketers aren't any different from the people who make commercials trying to tell you to join their university to the guys who sell a rip off lose weight product.
This is exactly the response expected of someone who defends a particular method of self-improvement. A biased anecdotal supported by memory doesn't make it true. There is no method to get laid, and self-improvement is not thinking about feeling better, what I simply stated is what the casanova guy said: You have to work hard in whatever you do and eventually it will pay. Maybe the PUA community gave you what self improvement groups usually do: A centred focus to achieve a particular goal, and that is very good sir. It would be good if you read any of the links I gave you though, I know it's a huge wall of text but it has a few things everybody should know. ^^
This is exactly the response expected of someone who charges into a thread claiming he has any clue about what he is talking because he studies psychology. You're making a complete ass out of yourself with the bolded statement above.
I hereby refer you to the Rubikonmodel by Heinz Heckhausen and Peter M. Gollwitzer (Thought Contents and Cognitive Functioning in Motivational versus Volitional States of Mind. In: Motivation and Emotion. 11, Nr. 2, 1987, S. 101–120) which is basicly THE model used when it comes to phases of action ("Handlungsphasen" in german, not 100% sure about the correct english wording).
Quote: "That is, predecisional thought was preoccupied with incentive values of goal options, expectancy of performance outcomes, and metamotivational directives, whereas postdecisional thought was concerned with questions of how to implement the pursued goal." - Basicly this means that a certain task (like self-improvement) indeed starts with thinknig about feeling better. Plain hard work without any real motivation will accomplish nothing.
Self-improvement STARTS with the realisation that you're not happy with your life and want to change something. In fact, someone who thinks about feeling better ALREADY has started the process of self-improvement.
You're making the same mistake a shitload of psychologists make in their daily praxis: A person who moves his ass to visit a psychologist because he is actively seeking help will be thrown BACK in his problem-solving process by a psychologist saying "Okay, so you have a problem. Let's start working on it." because he's forced back into his originally helpless position BEFORE he decided that a) he has a problem and b) that he's going to visit a psychologist for it.
Back to university for you, dear sir. You just made a statement that's clearly coming from someone who has to desperately defend his new-found primary model of how things work and how they don't and neglected academic basics (which I'm pretty sure you've learned already) in the process. You threw an emotionally charged claim into a discussion where you tried to discredit the other party of having emotional and self-defending reasons for his statements.
Well done, you just shot yourself in the foot right there.
Before I continue, can some of you guys stop writing 5 page debates of stupid crap that doesn't matter? If you dont think Pick Up works, dont bother! LMAO. Simple as that. Hell you are pretty much accurate since statistically 95% attempting to learn pickup fails. Not believing in yourself, probably makes you the bottom part of that 95% anyways lol. And please, these debates are so unfun to read. Any girl sees your post would instantly be turned off. Now stop it lol.
On February 07 2012 05:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: San Diego is 1,000x better than Seoul. It's America's Finest City, of course rekrul would be here. Enough said. In any case, I'm happy a famous TL'er is in my city .
What it CANT eliminate is which traits and behavioural patterns are attractive to the other gender. A man has to be someone who can smack every other man that moves close to your potential offspring into pieces. Someone who defends a cave, hunts for food and show every other god damn male on this planet that he is the guy who fucks the prom queen. So, to make it very clean and simple:
99% of the reason I've been in the process of regaining my old strength following 2 really bad injuries in the past 6 years was just to get really strong again. And for a guy who kind of grew up how I did, being physically and psychologically strong has always been a big deal to me. After reading this paragraph, it's been bumped down to 80%, because I'm realizing more and more that it's actually a big plus in regards to meeting ladies. Danke . Btw, except in places where being effeminate and a pussy is the paradigm (what I've been told about Korea comes to mind; I just hope it's false), you're pretty right about people being 'whiney pussies'. I advised some of my pals not to act like that, but then I realized they'd be out of their relationship within seconds if they actually tried to be more independent :/. A few of my break-ups have been because I am independent. lol. Let's face it, I'm not going to do every bidding of some girl and nothing for myself and still claim I have dignity. Call me sexist, idgaf. I still do more for them than they do for me anyways, but I'm my own person. I don't believe in subjugation of myself, especially for such a stupid reason.
Now I have a question regarding something that's always a buzzkill. First a bit of a foreword: I don't have a whole lot of free time, but I sometimes like conversing with and meeting people when I'm on my campus. The shocker is that a lot of the actually decent people on my campus can be pretty anti-social if they don't know you or have some kind of association with you. This college is known at least statewide for being notoriously anti-social. squattin should know what place I'm talking about. But since starting up the quarter again, I've been talking to people who I come across just to see what's up with them. Some people I can tell sorta feel squirmy because it's probably outside of their comfort zone, but with others who don't have a lot of trouble talking to random people, it goes better.
Now that aside, the buzzkill has been when I talk to said girls, meeting them for the first time, and their parental-indoctrinated shyness or influence of friends make them kinda not want to talk, or they think I'm hitting on them or something (when my sole purpose most of the time is simply to converse with people), I feel a bit awkward. I ask myself "What am I doing wrong?" because this sort of thing doesn't happen when I talk to more open girls. Still, given my shit luck, most the girls i've been interested in, especially oriental girls, are like that, so then I go after more open girls again and 'choose' one to date, but who also suffer from bipolarity and overdramatization and overemotion which are things that really bug me.
Now the question: So, as a challenge to myself, how do I get these specific 'quiet' girls interested in talking for a long time with someone outside of their comfort zone without me having the body of a Greek god haha (yet xp)? IMO, I think it could pay dividends in terms of relationship stability. Someone who doesn't mind that I have my own freedom and time, and who doesn't annoy me to death with drama or bipolar mood swings is a huge plus.
1. Some girls respond to certain things differently. The way you approach a typical Asian girl is different than a typical black girl. You already know that. Yes, some times you have to act a little bit beta and less cocky in front of Asian girls.
2. We are all busy dude. I work 60 hour weeks, I have to go to the gym, drive my ass all the way to Hollywood every week for an acting class. And I'm busy setting up dates during the rest of the week. I'm still forcing myself to go out every Friday and Saturday and I not only that, I drive 70 miles to San Diego every weekend. It all boils down to how much you want it. If you want it, you will make it happen. Some times ill be tired, lack of sleep, and sore throat. Ill pop some adderall drink some redbull or Robitussin and head out.
3. Do you even like shy girls? Are you trying to find the girl to marry in the next few years in college? If not, who cares who you approach? They are just practice. I've approach thick black girls and plenty of ugly chicks. Girls who I would never date.... why? For practice. You have to be adept at talking to everyone at every environment. Would I do what I did in the last year and approach 2000 skills even if I didn't get laid? In a heart beat. Stop making excuses and just go for it. Willing to fail is the fastest way to get better in this game. Nobody likes tasking risks. Its our nature. You know what my homework is when I talk to a girl for over 5 minutes, shes still hanging around but the conversation is super boring? I have to ask her out of the blue "do you like anal". Now that probably is not a good strategic decision. BUT, I am programming myself to take risks. Its the name of the game, the harder you fail, the faster you get better. Not failing and playing it safe is the number one cause of people not getting better at the game.
4. If you were serious, you would find friends with cars, bum a ride with them to Gas Lamp district so you could hang out with me and my wings.
5. If you do like Asian girls, social circle works pretty well but that takes forever. And one screwup and you screw up with everyone since they all gossip. Cold approach is the king. Its the playground where you learn everything. Just go to downtown man.
On February 05 2012 12:41 Rekrul wrote: squattin it's fluxx night tonight, u gunna teach me PU?
Fluxxx is really loud. My dance floor game isn't strong. I suck dick at dancing. Something I am working on in the secret of my bedroom lol. PM me and I'll gladly demo/wing with ya on Saturdays.
can i get in on this? lol. squattin, my hats off to you, man. been checking out this thread here and there for probably the past 4~5 months, and really wanted to ask you back then why you even bothered to deal with ignorant people who doesn't even get the point of PUA lol. props to you for keeping it up and it seems like there are less people like that on this thread now too
On February 05 2012 21:08 squattincassanova wrote:
On February 05 2012 12:41 Rekrul wrote: squattin it's fluxx night tonight, u gunna teach me PU?
Fluxxx is really loud. My dance floor game isn't strong. I suck dick at dancing. Something I am working on in the secret of my bedroom lol. PM me and I'll gladly demo/wing with ya on Saturdays.
can i get in on this? lol. squattin, my hats off to you, man. been checking out this thread here and there for probably the past 4~5 months, and really wanted to ask you back then why you even bothered to deal with ignorant people who doesn't even get the point of PUA lol. props to you for keeping it up and it seems like there are less people like that on this thread now too
If you are in SD hit me up with a PM. I'm there every Saturday in the Gas Lamp district.
On February 05 2012 21:08 squattincassanova wrote:
On February 05 2012 12:41 Rekrul wrote: squattin it's fluxx night tonight, u gunna teach me PU?
Fluxxx is really loud. My dance floor game isn't strong. I suck dick at dancing. Something I am working on in the secret of my bedroom lol. PM me and I'll gladly demo/wing with ya on Saturdays.
can i get in on this? lol. squattin, my hats off to you, man. been checking out this thread here and there for probably the past 4~5 months, and really wanted to ask you back then why you even bothered to deal with ignorant people who doesn't even get the point of PUA lol. props to you for keeping it up and it seems like there are less people like that on this thread now too
If you are in SD hit me up with a PM. I'm there every Saturday in the Gas Lamp district.
Alright sounds good, I live and work in SD.
Rek, set a date if you are reading this. A round of shot on me cuz you are a crazy mother fucker and a baller. Squattin to you too, for what I have mentioned earlier
No drinking in the club, but you can certainly take me out for a root beer float aftewards haha.
How about Stingaree Saturday at 10pm next week. They have a good patio on the rooftop. If you meet me in the entrance, I can you in with half cover and no wait. Only rule is you have to approach at least 5 sets.
On February 07 2012 07:04 squattincassanova wrote: No drinking in the club, but you can certainly take me out for a root beer float aftewards haha.
How about Stingaree Saturday at 10pm next week. They have a good patio on the rooftop. If you meet me in the entrance, I can you in with half cover and no wait. Only rule is you have to approach at least 5 sets.
Lol root beer float it is. Aw man, at least 5 sets? Can we settle for at least 3? haha. I'm down for next sat if you mean it as in the 18th. TL Sarging SD gogo anyone else?
I just had to share this video. This is the guy that taught me everything. If it wasn't for him, I would still be hung over my relationship of 7 years. His mohawk is down, it looks like a mullet but its not lol!
On February 07 2012 08:25 jtp118 wrote: this casanova guy has to be trolling, right? no one could actually be this absurd
U mad bro?
Nice picture with Owen aka Tyler from Real Social Dynamics. What do you think of RSD?
No doubt Tyler is a cool guy. Talked to him in person a few times. The only problem I have with RSD is they have become too spiritual and too high level and abstract. Listening to their material will prevent you from jumping into action. I know a lot of RSD forum posters to be keyboard jockeys.
His abstract stuff, his meditation stuff, his Eckart Tolle stuff is good if you are already at the intermediate stage who is consistently getting laid. BUT if you are a complete newbie, that shit is fucking worthless. A new guy starting out should be focusing on approach approach approach. Not inner game bull shit. Because you know what? When you start getting results, a lot of inner game (not all) but a lot fixes itself. Why? Because you have reality to back you up. If you are a virgin, and you preach to yourself that you are a sexy stud... its kinda hard unless you are delusional. But i you are constantly picking up hot girls.... its a lot easier to convince yourself you are in fact attractive.
I still watch his videos all the time on YouTube though. Wouldn't pay for their bootcamps.
No doubt Tyler is a cool guy. Talked to him in person a few times. The only problem I have with RSD is they have become too spiritual and too high level and abstract. Listening to their material will prevent you from jumping into action. I know a lot of RSD forum posters to be keyboard jockeys.
His abstract stuff, his meditation stuff, his Eckart Tolle stuff is good if you are already at the intermediate stage who is consistently getting laid. BUT if you are a complete newbie, that shit is fucking worthless. A new guy starting out should be focusing on approach approach approach. Not inner game bull shit. Because you know what? When you start getting results, a lot of inner game (not all) but a lot fixes itself. Why? Because you have reality to back you up. If you are a virgin, and you preach to yourself that you are a sexy stud... its kinda hard unless you are delusional. But i you are constantly picking up hot girls.... its a lot easier to convince yourself you are in fact attractive.
I still watch his videos all the time on YouTube though. Wouldn't pay for their bootcamps.
This pretty much hits the nail right on the head for what I'm experiencing. Sorry if you already answered this, but this is a giant ass thread and I don't feel like sifting all the way through it. Could you point a complete newbie in the direction of a good starter program (I have some pretty bad approach anxiety, etc)? I notice you linked that DJ Fuji guy recently...
Since he is my mentor, my opinion obviously is biased but yes hes good. In January, I opened on average 2-3 sets a night. By Feb, one month after meeting him, I was opening about 20 sets a night. He learned pick up synthetically so he can break down everything from a practical stand point. All his homeworks are action based. If you get a good grade, you get a discount, if you get a bad grade, you get a penalty. PM me if you want to know more, I don't want to be promoting anything on a general PUA thread. His videos are all over Youtube too.
What I would prefer is a bootcamp + a long term coaching program. Bootcamps aren't designed to get you good over the weekend. Its designed to give you good approach habits/ethics. Lets say you were approaching 5 sets a night, and after a bootcamp, the instructor drills in your head to approach more and you end up doing 20 sets a night afterwards. That in itself is worth it because now you are learning 4x the rate.
To be successful you really just need the following 3 things:
1. Field time / number of approaches / number of nights out 2. Have faith and actually believe you will actually get good 3. Take risks in the set. Every time you ask yourself if you should do something, do it. Should I touch her hand? Do it. Should I kiss her? Do it. Should I move her, do it. if you can follow directions based on what the coach tell you, people get ridiculous results.
Just follow the President. First, a picture is worth a thousand words:
The article, containing several PUA tips:
'I was willing and he was unbelievably handsome': JFK's teen intern mistress elaborates on their White House affair
Former White House intern Mimi Alford details 18-month presidential affair Mimi Alford says JFK 'took her virginity' on bed of Jacqueline Kennedy Ex-President 'told her to perform sex acts on his friend while he watched' Claims he made her take drugs, never kissed her and played 'waiting games'
By Daily Mail Reporter
She claimed that she was powerless as John F Kennedy took advantage of her.
But now the former White House intern who had an 18-month affair with the ex-president has revealed that she actually wanted to have sex with him.
Mimi Alford said that when Mr Kennedy took her virginity in his wife’s bed in the summer of 1962 she was ‘willing to do it.'
Broken lips: Mimi Alford kept her secret affair with the former U.S. president safe for years before deciding to write a tell-all book about their time together
Far from being repulsed by his advances, the former church worker also admitted that she found him ‘unbelievably handsome’.
Extracts from her memoir have detailed how she was shocked when on her fifth day as a White House press aide he led her away from co-workers who were having cocktails down the hall to his wife’s bedroom where they had sex for the first time.
Aged 19 at the time, she writes that ‘short of screaming’ there was nothing she could do to get Mr Kennedy off her.
But in an interview with NBC, Miss Alford said that she actually meant ‘overpowered in the sense that he was the president.'
Speaking to Today she said: ‘He was this unbelievably handsome man who was 45-years-old.
‘Not overpowered physically as in somebody grabbed me and made me do something that I wasn't really willing to do, because I really think I was willing to do it.'
Miss Alford added that the first time she met the President the day before at the White House pool, during which time he eyed her up, felt perfectly normal too.
She said: ‘It really didn’t feel unnatural because everybody was friendly because everybody went back to work afterwards.’ Other woman: In addition to having sexual relations with the president, Miss Alford claims she was dared to with a close friend and staff member of the president too
Other woman: In addition to having sexual relations with the president, Miss Alford claims she was dared to with a close friend and staff member of the president too
Miss Alford was first ‘outed’ in 2003 in a biography of Mr Kennedy but she has kept quiet until now.
Asked why she now decided to write her memoirs, she said: ‘Most mornings I thought: ‘I don’t want to get up and write this book’.
‘Then I thought: ‘Why keep a secret? Why keep silent about something? You do something because you think it’s keeping you safe, but in fact it’s deadly.'
In the book, ‘Once Upon a Secret: My Affair with President John F. Kennedy and Its Aftermath,' Miss Alford writes how she went from being a debutante from a prominent New Jersey family to a White House press aide - and into the president’s bed.
Her lurid claims include allegations that he once made her inhale a sex drug at a debauched party at Bing Crosby’s desert ranch.
'The president asked me if I wanted to try the drug, which stimulated the heart but also purportedly enhanced sex.
'I said no, but he just went ahead and popped the capsule and held it under my nose. He didn’t try it himself. This was a new sensation, and it frightened me. I panicked and ran crying from the room,' she writes in her autobiography.
On another occasion he coerced her into performing a sex act on an aide while he looked on.
When she thought she was pregnant that same aide arranged for her to see an abortion doctor, even though abortion was illegal at the time.
It turned out to be a false alarm.
Miss Alford, now a 69-year-old grandmother living in New York, also writes in her autobiography that through their affair she never called Mr Kennedy by his first name ‘Jack’ and always called him ‘Mr President,' even when they were in bed together.
Miss Alford, who ironically went to the same Miss Porter's school as JFK's wife Jackie, described Kennedy as 'playful', the sex as 'varied and fun' and said he could be 'seductive and playful'.
She said they spent a lot of time 'taking baths' and that if they spent the night together, she would wear his own soft-blue cotton nightshirts.
But she also revealed complications in the relationship, saying they never kissed, and that she was often subjected to a 'waiting game' where she was told to stay in her hotel until he called for her.
In a different direction for their affairs, Miss Alford also writes of the president asking her to 'take care' of his friend, staff member Dave Powers, who 'looked a little tense' in his description while they were swimming in the White House pool. Published: Miss Alford's new book, Once Upon a Secret: My Affair with President John F. Kennedy and Its Aftermath, provides a never-before told story of life in the White House with the president as his mistress
'It was a dare, but I knew exactly what he meant. This was a challenge to give Dave Powers oral sex. I don’t think the president thought I’d do it, but I’m ashamed to say that I did... The president silently watched,' she wrote.
During the October 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, where the U.S. and USSR had a nuclear stand-off, he reportedly told her that: 'I’d rather my children red than dead.'
In another, more personal moment when her lover reached out to her following the death of his infant son Patrick Bouvier Kennedy, she wrote of their time together seated on a White House balcony while he quietly wept.
She wrote: 'I had never seen real grief in my relatively short life. He invited me upstairs, and we sat outside on the balcony in the soft summer evening air. There was a stack of condolence letters on the floor next to his chair, and he picked each one up and read it aloud to me... Occasionally, tears rolling down his cheeks, he would write something on one of the letters, probably notes for a reply. But mostly he just read them and cried. I did, too.'
Miss Alford said she saw President Kennedy for the final time at The Carlyle hotel in Manhattan on November 15, 1963, just a week before his assassination in Dallas.
At this point she was due to be married to her college sweetheart, Tony Fahnestock.
'He took me in his arms for a long embrace and said, 'I wish you were coming with me to Texas.' And then he added, 'I'll call you when I get back.' I was overcome with sudden sadness. 'Remember, Mr President, I’m getting married.'
''I know that,' he said, and shrugged. 'But I’ll call you anyway.''
In my opinion, game is over-rated because it is the creme de la creme - what is far more useful is for a man to have good basics - self confidence (i.e. non-neediness) and self-respect. These 2 characteristics will shine through and attract girls, rather than any special technique he may choose to employ. What game does (if done successfully) is to elevate a man to even high levels but many guys are not chasing that.
When people say that game works and has transformed their lives, it's more that going to those workshops or overcoming their approach anxiety has given them increased confidence. This is the factor, not some special game technique.
To use a SC2 analogy - macro is the basic confidence whilst micro (game) will elevate your play even further.
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. Btw, except in places where being effeminate and a pussy is the paradigm (what I've been told about Korea comes to mind; I just hope it's false), you're pretty right about people being 'whiney pussies'. I advised some of my pals not to act like that, but then I realized they'd be out of their relationship within seconds if they actually tried to be more independent :/. A few of my break-ups have been because I am independent. lol. Let's face it, I'm not going to do every bidding of some girl and nothing for myself and still claim I have dignity. Call me sexist, idgaf. I still do more for them than they do for me anyways, but I'm my own person. I don't believe in subjugation of myself, especially for such a stupid reason.
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