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squattincassanova
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States650 Posts
February 08 2012 02:53 GMT
#1501
On February 08 2012 11:51 KoveN- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 11:27 squattincassanova wrote:
Pickup threads are always funny.

50% say it doesn't work and its full of shit
50% say its too easy, just "be confident"
99% are keyboard jockeys.

1% (That's me) actually walking you through pickup through my eyes with actual weekly approaches and recordings.

If my lay count is too low, I'm a newb. If my lay count is too high, I'm a sleazy womanizer. You cant win! lol!



Get over yourself, you're a fake and you're full of shit. One day you're gonna wake up and realise you have nothing going for you because you spent years roaming around hunting women for no gain whatsoever.

I have a wonderful girlfriend and not interested in getting into a "I've had THIS many lays", ego measuring contest.




Cool story bro. Why are you in this thread then?
You better hope your GF doesn't ever meet me
http://www.youtube.com/squattincassanova (Pickup In-Field) Subscribe if you like!
Detwiler
Profile Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
February 08 2012 02:56 GMT
#1502
On February 08 2012 11:39 beg wrote:
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On February 08 2012 11:20 Detwiler wrote:
Dont hate on cassanova. When i enlisted in the army at 17 till about 22 my whole life revolved around getting laid. You grow outta it when you get older. Sadly all hes learned about getting laid is useless in trying to form an actual meaningful relationship. I know from personal experience. See once I started trying to do more than just get in their pants I found that I was clueless. I could talk them outta their panties on the way home from the bar but out side of that I had nothing. Thats what happen when you treat the woman as a set, or a goal, or a lay. Sex becomes the end goal not just a stop on the way. But look id say caasnova is doin fine. He obviously likes starcraft hes got that goin for him if nothing else. Hes got hobbies works out ect. He will grow outta this. Well hopefully. If hes still on this past say 26 27 at the top end thats pretty pathetic.

i wish someone would tell me that i'd "grow beyond this", like your implying about squatticassanova. but i'm not right now. seems like squatti is doing something right and i'm doing something wrong.



i hate to defend squatti like that. i'm not even trying to. i just hate that i'm living this bullshit life right now.


Nothing to defend or not defend bro. Like every guy I know has gone through this point in their life where their entire existance revolves around getting pussy. Nothing wrong with that its part of growing up. But like everything else you dont wanna take it to far. In hindsite i wish I had been doin sumthing more productive all that time i spent getting pussy lol. Not to mention it gets boring . Thats right boring. They bars, the clubs, listening to females talk who you care not shit about all night so you can take them home and try to get them out of your house as fast as possible the next day. Eventually your just like this isnt worth it. Then you want more outta life and the females you come across. At that point you have to change again! Because all the changes you made to yourself and all the lines and manipulations you have learned solely to get you laid work against you.

I looked into this pua thing and well 50% is good advice 50% is bullshit. It doesn't take a genius to sift the good from the bad either. So look it up research it a bit take from it what you will. As for advice of my own id say stop worrying so hard about picking girls up or getting laid, females can smell desperation from a mile away. Second just smile and laugh wherever you are at if its apparent you arent having a good time there no woman is going to want to be around you period. Last any girl you pick up at a bar or a club is only good for one thing: fucking. Dont make it out in your mind to be anymore than that and if you start remember how easy it was to pick her up drunk in the club and reconsider.
KoveN-
Profile Joined October 2004
Australia503 Posts
February 08 2012 03:03 GMT
#1503
On February 08 2012 11:53 squattincassanova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 11:51 KoveN- wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:27 squattincassanova wrote:
Pickup threads are always funny.

50% say it doesn't work and its full of shit
50% say its too easy, just "be confident"
99% are keyboard jockeys.

1% (That's me) actually walking you through pickup through my eyes with actual weekly approaches and recordings.

If my lay count is too low, I'm a newb. If my lay count is too high, I'm a sleazy womanizer. You cant win! lol!



Get over yourself, you're a fake and you're full of shit. One day you're gonna wake up and realise you have nothing going for you because you spent years roaming around hunting women for no gain whatsoever.

I have a wonderful girlfriend and not interested in getting into a "I've had THIS many lays", ego measuring contest.




Cool story bro. Why are you in this thread then?
You better hope your GF doesn't ever meet me


Hah. She'd laugh at how pathetic you are because she knows your kind.

You see I've actually talked and connected with the women I've slept with. Because I only sleep with the women I respect and like and the things they have told me about you PUA guys is so funny.

Yes they can spot you a mile away.

Stories about how they come up and start running stupid lines about themselves that the girls couldn't give the slightest shit about yet you just keep on babbling.

How you put on a performance to impress them, try to make jokes that only you laugh at etc. etc. I could go on...

But the thing is you'll never get a real amazing woman for a relationship if you continue like this. One day you'll realise it though and maybe you can change it. I hope you do.
squattincassanova
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States650 Posts
February 08 2012 03:35 GMT
#1504
On February 08 2012 12:03 KoveN- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 11:53 squattincassanova wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:51 KoveN- wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:27 squattincassanova wrote:
Pickup threads are always funny.

50% say it doesn't work and its full of shit
50% say its too easy, just "be confident"
99% are keyboard jockeys.

1% (That's me) actually walking you through pickup through my eyes with actual weekly approaches and recordings.

If my lay count is too low, I'm a newb. If my lay count is too high, I'm a sleazy womanizer. You cant win! lol!



Get over yourself, you're a fake and you're full of shit. One day you're gonna wake up and realise you have nothing going for you because you spent years roaming around hunting women for no gain whatsoever.

I have a wonderful girlfriend and not interested in getting into a "I've had THIS many lays", ego measuring contest.




Cool story bro. Why are you in this thread then?
You better hope your GF doesn't ever meet me


Hah. She'd laugh at how pathetic you are because she knows your kind.

You see I've actually talked and connected with the women I've slept with. Because I only sleep with the women I respect and like and the things they have told me about you PUA guys is so funny.

Yes they can spot you a mile away.

Stories about how they come up and start running stupid lines about themselves that the girls couldn't give the slightest shit about yet you just keep on babbling.

How you put on a performance to impress them, try to make jokes that only you laugh at etc. etc. I could go on...

But the thing is you'll never get a real amazing woman for a relationship if you continue like this. One day you'll realise it though and maybe you can change it. I hope you do.


I personally think shed fall in love with a guy who is tall and has the body of Thor. She would marry me instantly because she knows I'm educated and I would take her all around the world. She is subconsciously looking for a man with superior genetics. You can't blame her. Its simple biology here.
http://www.youtube.com/squattincassanova (Pickup In-Field) Subscribe if you like!
KoveN-
Profile Joined October 2004
Australia503 Posts
February 08 2012 03:53 GMT
#1505
lol hopeless.
Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
February 08 2012 04:30 GMT
#1506
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 03 2011 00:11 TheDougler wrote:
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For those who have been involved, what are your thoughts? My personal experience has been that they are a very supportive group of people, usually very happy to help wing and improve your game, even at times give emotional support. However, out of the community I was with of about 30 core members two have been deranged in the head, in the sense that they were incredibly sexist and happily threw around jokes about abuse.



I'm an active member of the community, so of course I will be a bit biased but I think it is truly fantastic stuff. Also, they're gonna get a lot and I mean A LOT of hate from all those that don't understand. I think that's fine, it doesn't really affect me what internet randoms think, but I wish they took the time to investigate what exactly is going on before they condemn.

Take this for example:

http://kingpinlifestyle.com/

What do you see there?

Articles on getting over laziness, being a man of action, and how to quit video games if one wants to.

Quote from the playing video games article:

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Why should you listen to me?

Well, growing up I played video games as much as I possibly could. It got to the point that I would refuse to even do any chores around the house because that would take time away from playing video games. How absurd. I didn’t play video games casually either; I played them to an extreme competitive level, competed in tournaments and ran one of my teams like you would run a business.

My video game career (haha I’m not kidding, I viewed it as a career) began playing the original version of Starcraft when it first came out. From here I moved onto Counterstrike 1.6, which ended up being the game I would play the most. I competed competitively in Counterstrike 1.6, playing in both CAL and CEVO leagues. At one point I was an admin for the CEVO league. My CS 1.6 team would practice every day for between 4-8 hours (as a team). When we weren’t practicing as a team, I would practice on my own. I took that game so seriously I actually took lessons for it, from one of the best guys in the world. To improve my play I would study game film. I did whatever I could to get better. I played competitive CS 1.6 for many years.

After my CS 1.6 career ended, I started to play World of Warcraft. For the next year I played this game 16 hours a day, every day. If I didn’t have better things to do, I would login to my account and show everybody the total number of days played vs. the number of days I was active in the game. It would blow your mind. I’m not kidding: I played 16 hours a day every day for over a year. NUTS. I had the #1 ranked hunter on the server I played on, and after transferring to a new server (one of the more popular ones), I was recruited by a top 10 guild IN THE WORLD to be on their roster. This was ridiculous. Before joining this guild I decided to quit the game. This was right around the time that I decided to make a few last ditch efforts to save my relationship (which didn’t work). Shortly after I read “The Game”, which kick started my journey into what I do now. I started to play “DOTA” for a few months before I decided to take “pick-up” more seriously. I knew the absolute ONLY way this was going to be possible was if I stopped playing video games all together, so I decided that was exactly what I was going to do, and in October 2007 I quit them cold mother fuckin’ turkey.


The thing is that the community is all about bettering oneself. What is wrong with that?


This is an old post and someone has probably said the same, but just in case.

The problem with this article is that the author transitions from video game addiction to "validation addiction" (maybe without even realizing it). He views approaching women in the same way he sees leveling up his character; (one would hope) there is more to another human being and their likes and dislikes than a book can tell you.

There's a difference between not knowing how to approach girls and training yourself to approach girls in a way that will "make them like you", so that you can hook up with them first and ask questions later. If you say that "this is just for fun, this won't be my 'wife' ", then I don't understand anyway.



Dont drink and derive. TSL: Made with Balls.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 04:51:10
February 08 2012 04:44 GMT
#1507
Wait, hold on, lemme play along!

MY gf will shittest anything that slightly resembles a "PUA" into the ground and watch his agony laughing. Then she'll pull out all the dirty little complexes and insecurities that lead him to starting with pickup out of his brain and swing them in front of his eyes till his head explodes. ggnore.

Am I doing this right?



@Khoven & the usual "Just be yourself and confident!"-crew:

This is great advice once you're at a certain level and I agree with the stuff you're recommending to improve your life. However, standard response: Not everyone has the background to start with the whole "Just be confident!" - some people have to start on an entirely different level. If you can't look the person you're talking to straight into their eyes or start stuttering and sweating like a pig this type of advice tends to horribly fail. Pickup has the goal of finding ways to help those guys, "just be confident" hasn't.

To take myself as an example, I wanted to take dancing classes for as long as I could remember, however I never had the balls to ask a girl to come with me and going there ALONE? oh my fucking gawd, no way in hell. Then after being in our local Lair for like 2 months I was like "Okay, if some of those faggots can do xyz I can fucking get my ass into a fucking salsa class." - is this a direct influence of "pickup", no. However most people I know from there had similar experiences over time. I'm a huge fan of Lairs if they have somehow decent management. There are always some dorks but also people who actually hate how their life is in terms of gurls and actually WANT to improve.

But yeah, past a certain level it's a better advice than most simply because it fixes the issues most guys are having at the root and not only their symptoms.


On February 08 2012 11:21 beg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 11:09 KoveN- wrote:
See there is no such thing as "pickup"

It's called being an all-round great guy, having high self-esteem, taking care of yourself physically and going after what you want.

It's really fucking easy to get laid. idk what the hell you all think you gotta go to nightclubs and roam around the streets hunting women for?

and then none of you even have standards. You'll do anything/anyone just to get a "Lay Report" so you can get your next fix of validation from all the other desperate "PUA's" that look up to you and think you're so amazing.



It's ridiculous.

maybe it's easy for you. it's not easy for me. what should i do? follow your advice of "IT'S EASY" or follow squatti's number's game?


i'd gladly accept your offer to show me real life how easy it is to get laid. srsly. i'm even willing to travel. need some adventure right now =-)




ps: i'm not trying to be offensive in the slightest. i'd be so blown away if you'd want to go out ... but you're probably living in a land far far away. so i'm hoping for r.evo's mercy right now!!!!! R.EVO!! YOUR TURN!


pps: i know some dudes who have a ridiculously easy time getting laid, but i just can't be like them. just can't. they are so goddamn macho and self-confident. i'm not right now. saying "it's easy" doesn't help a single bit.



Both the "it's so easy" and the "just do 500 more sets" aren't the most effective. If you'd like to improve quickly you need to find out where exactly you are and where you want to go. Every guy is different. What is not different are certain rules and concepts.

The basic principles of how attraction is generated or transferred are probably the most loose ones (here you can pull off incredibly insane stuff that still works), how comfort & rapport works is known to great detail and rather intuitive. Escalation is another thing that works very streamlined in most cases.

Despite all the hate Mystery gets for his A3 model because it's horribly outdated (which it is, if it's about getting laid quickly), if you look at the principles behind his techniques they still apply in any other pickup method.


If you e.g. compare the basic mindsets of direct vs indirect they both have certain timeframes where they build up attraction, comfort/rapport and they both have to physically escalate. Now, HOW the concept behind the A/C parts is actually applied is entirely different. That is what makes pickup both incredibly easy and incredibly hard.


tl;dr: The method I'm usually suggesting for new guys is to read any PUA material they find with the mindset of "What is this trying to do? How does it do it?" - What values do certain routines convey? What happened in my personal life that would convey the same value? Which values would a girl I'd like to be with appreciate? Am I representing those values? Why not?

In field try to be in the zone. Push away all the theoretical bullshit and focus on what is going on right now at this exact moment. Try to think about pickup theory like being an eagle in the sky that merely observes what's going on (hint: observation != interpretation) and can draw conclusions once he's well-informed and about pickup praxis like being down there in the jungle and fighting your way through it.

If you let your theory get in the way of your praxis or your praxis in the way of your theory, you're slowing yourself down unnecessarily.


---------------------------------------

To draw the analogy to e.g. martial arts or dancing, while you're in a (sparring-) fight or at a party dancing during a song, the second you will start thinking about wtf you're doing here it is highly likely that you trip or somehow fuck up. Once you're done you can re-evaluate what you did, if it made sense and replay it in your head till it makes sense. Next time a similar situation occurs you (hopefull) will use the new behaviour. If you didn't , you mentally slap yourself afterwards and go for it again.

The level beyond that is using the "pauses" during a song, during a fight or just during something you do on 100% autopilot to re-evaluate the situation.

For pickup this means that you will, with time, have certain spots that occur SO DAMN OFTEN that you can run them entirely on autopilot. You just spit out the stuff you used a hundred times with success while thinking about stuff that's new and different in this specific situation.

---------------------------------------


If you understand what I tried to say in the last two paragraphs you probably will understand why I call both the "ima work on my inner self before approaching more girls"- and the "ima just do 500 more aproaches"-factions both retarded in their methods when it comes to effectively improving.


@beg: What's your situation? What are your problems? What's your history with them gurls? Kinda hard to help you out without some info. =P

Also I guess since I just can't shut up and he refuses to acknowledge my obvious mental superiority I'll do a review of one of squattins FRs David Attenborough-style so we can all learn from it. Huehue.



And, finally:

On February 08 2012 11:27 squattincassanova wrote:
Pickup threads are always funny.

50% say it doesn't work and its full of shit
50% say its too easy, just "be confident"
99% are keyboard jockeys.

1% (That's me) actually walking you through pickup through my eyes with actual weekly approaches and recordings.


The PUA community thread - The only place on TL where you get 200% of your times worth in entertainement.



Edit: Great post right above me. Sorry for bumping it down. =S

Edit 2: I just got slapped with a "I'm not THAT bad." - this game sucks, I don't want to play it anymore. =,(
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
February 08 2012 05:08 GMT
#1508
On February 08 2012 12:35 squattincassanova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 12:03 KoveN- wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:53 squattincassanova wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:51 KoveN- wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:27 squattincassanova wrote:
Pickup threads are always funny.

50% say it doesn't work and its full of shit
50% say its too easy, just "be confident"
99% are keyboard jockeys.

1% (That's me) actually walking you through pickup through my eyes with actual weekly approaches and recordings.

If my lay count is too low, I'm a newb. If my lay count is too high, I'm a sleazy womanizer. You cant win! lol!



Get over yourself, you're a fake and you're full of shit. One day you're gonna wake up and realise you have nothing going for you because you spent years roaming around hunting women for no gain whatsoever.

I have a wonderful girlfriend and not interested in getting into a "I've had THIS many lays", ego measuring contest.




Cool story bro. Why are you in this thread then?
You better hope your GF doesn't ever meet me


Hah. She'd laugh at how pathetic you are because she knows your kind.

You see I've actually talked and connected with the women I've slept with. Because I only sleep with the women I respect and like and the things they have told me about you PUA guys is so funny.

Yes they can spot you a mile away.

Stories about how they come up and start running stupid lines about themselves that the girls couldn't give the slightest shit about yet you just keep on babbling.

How you put on a performance to impress them, try to make jokes that only you laugh at etc. etc. I could go on...

But the thing is you'll never get a real amazing woman for a relationship if you continue like this. One day you'll realise it though and maybe you can change it. I hope you do.


I personally think shed fall in love with a guy who is tall and has the body of Thor. She would marry me instantly because she knows I'm educated and I would take her all around the world. She is subconsciously looking for a man with superior genetics. You can't blame her. Its simple biology here.

Lol this thread is good value. I really don't know what to think about you cassanova. On one hand I think it is great that you really grab life by the balls and try be the best person you can be, and on the other hand I feel bad for you that in thinking you really are gods gift to women, you seem to be naive to the fact that some women don't like conceited patronising guys who think that because they work out and are educated that they are simply better than them. I would actually think you were seriously onto something if it wasn't for the superiority complex. But hey if you can meet a women willing to accept you for that more power to you.

I also think the whole 'better hope your gf doesn't meet me thing' is quite childish, especially considering you said previously (AFAIK) your hit rate with women is less than 1%, so chances are she wouldn't bang you anyway.

Anyway keep up the interesting discussion guys
KoveN-
Profile Joined October 2004
Australia503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 05:46:43
February 08 2012 05:09 GMT
#1509
On February 08 2012 13:44 r.Evo wrote:
Wait, hold on, lemme play along!

MY gf will shittest anything that slightly resembles a "PUA" into the ground and watch his agony laughing. Then she'll pull out all the dirty little complexes and insecurities that lead him to starting with pickup out of his brain and swing them in front of his eyes till his head explodes. ggnore.

Am I doing this right?



@Khoven & the usual "Just be yourself and confident!"-crew:

This is great advice once you're at a certain level and I agree with the stuff you're recommending to improve your life. However, standard response: Not everyone has the background to start with the whole "Just be confident!" - some people have to start on an entirely different level. If you can't look the person you're talking to straight into their eyes or start stuttering and sweating like a pig this type of advice tends to horribly fail. Pickup has the goal of finding ways to help those guys, "just be confident" hasn't.

To take myself as an example, I wanted to take dancing classes for as long as I could remember, however I never had the balls to ask a girl to come with me and going there ALONE? oh my fucking gawd, no way in hell. Then after being in our local Lair for like 2 months I was like "Okay, if some of those faggots can do xyz I can fucking get my ass into a fucking salsa class." - is this a direct influence of "pickup", no. However most people I know from there had similar experiences over time. I'm a huge fan of Lairs if they have somehow decent management. There are always some dorks but also people who actually hate how their life is in terms of gurls and actually WANT to improve.

But yeah, past a certain level it's a better advice than most simply because it fixes the issues most guys are having at the root and not only their symptoms.


Yes, giant brass balls are earned, no ones born with them.

If you look closely at all the things I recommend they are all quite good for growing massive balls (confidence, resilience, strength, whatever you wanna call it.)

Anyone can go to a dance class. Sure it might be a bit scary the first time but SERIOUSLY what's the worst that could possibly happen? A girl might touch you?

[This is not aimed at you specifically Evo]

There's a big problem with Men today and it's a whole nother discussion about why this is but basically they're all SOFT!

They're afraid of things, scared and timid. No wonder they can't get laid.

But how do you fix that?

Get out of your comfort zone and do shit that scares you. Like the things I mentioned earlier.

Just do it, you probably won't get hurt. If you do, even better. You got a sexy scar to talk about.

PUA material is poison for the mind. It's a trap. Guys have been getting laid since many thousands of years before Pickup Material.

On February 08 2012 13:44 r.Evo wrote:
MY gf will shittest anything that slightly resembles a "PUA" into the ground and watch his agony laughing. Then she'll pull out all the dirty little complexes and insecurities that lead him to starting with pickup out of his brain and swing them in front of his eyes till his head explodes. ggnore.

Am I doing this right?


haha! basically yeah.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
February 08 2012 05:54 GMT
#1510
On February 08 2012 14:08 Ryder. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 12:35 squattincassanova wrote:
On February 08 2012 12:03 KoveN- wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:53 squattincassanova wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:51 KoveN- wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:27 squattincassanova wrote:
Pickup threads are always funny.

50% say it doesn't work and its full of shit
50% say its too easy, just "be confident"
99% are keyboard jockeys.

1% (That's me) actually walking you through pickup through my eyes with actual weekly approaches and recordings.

If my lay count is too low, I'm a newb. If my lay count is too high, I'm a sleazy womanizer. You cant win! lol!



Get over yourself, you're a fake and you're full of shit. One day you're gonna wake up and realise you have nothing going for you because you spent years roaming around hunting women for no gain whatsoever.

I have a wonderful girlfriend and not interested in getting into a "I've had THIS many lays", ego measuring contest.




Cool story bro. Why are you in this thread then?
You better hope your GF doesn't ever meet me


Hah. She'd laugh at how pathetic you are because she knows your kind.

You see I've actually talked and connected with the women I've slept with. Because I only sleep with the women I respect and like and the things they have told me about you PUA guys is so funny.

Yes they can spot you a mile away.

Stories about how they come up and start running stupid lines about themselves that the girls couldn't give the slightest shit about yet you just keep on babbling.

How you put on a performance to impress them, try to make jokes that only you laugh at etc. etc. I could go on...

But the thing is you'll never get a real amazing woman for a relationship if you continue like this. One day you'll realise it though and maybe you can change it. I hope you do.


I personally think shed fall in love with a guy who is tall and has the body of Thor. She would marry me instantly because she knows I'm educated and I would take her all around the world. She is subconsciously looking for a man with superior genetics. You can't blame her. Its simple biology here.

Lol this thread is good value. I really don't know what to think about you cassanova. On one hand I think it is great that you really grab life by the balls and try be the best person you can be, and on the other hand I feel bad for you that in thinking you really are gods gift to women, you seem to be naive to the fact that some women don't like conceited patronising guys who think that because they work out and are educated that they are simply better than them. I would actually think you were seriously onto something if it wasn't for the inferiority complex. But hey if you can meet a women willing to accept you for that more power to you.

I also think the whole 'better hope your gf doesn't meet me thing' is quite childish, especially considering you said previously (AFAIK) your hit rate with women is less than 1%, so chances are she wouldn't bang you anyway.

Anyway keep up the interesting discussion guys


FYP. Such behaviour doesn't come from feeling superior. It doesn't come from self-confidence. It comes from not accepting that you're feeling inferior to everyone else and have to prove something to make you feel better. The sad thing is that a huge part of such a problem is that he'd rather fight anyone to death than confront himself with it.

And to be completely honest (this is the coach speaking) depending on personal history it might not be that great of an idea to confront issues similar to this without help from outside. However, that is for none of us to decide or discuss, that's why I prefer to keep discussions about this technical instead of psychological.


@KoveN-

I absolutely agree with most of your statements. The point where I'd like you to differentiate though is that, while if everyone would take your advice to heart todays men would be way better off, it's not an advice you can give to those who feel truely left behind and stuck.

Imagine you're 25 and don't know how to swim. Yeah, you can such a guy to "just go try it out in shallow water, wtf can happen?" - however it is highly likely that holding his hand for a few hours and giving him pointers, techniques etc. will help him more than that. A big part of overcoming life-long behavioural patterns is finding the tools and ropes to start changing them.


Judging from the people I've met in my life I'd say you either made that connection of "wtf can happen, I'm not gonna die doing this" some time in your childhood/youth and advice like yours comes easily, or you didn't and you're pretty much fucked. A lot of the raw material found in pickup helps those most who are off the worst in this regard.

If you have a more solid basis (hint: prolly most guys) it's your own damn job to look which of the stuff makes sense because of which reasonings and which doesn't.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
squattincassanova
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States650 Posts
February 08 2012 05:54 GMT
#1511
On February 08 2012 14:08 Ryder. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 12:35 squattincassanova wrote:
On February 08 2012 12:03 KoveN- wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:53 squattincassanova wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:51 KoveN- wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:27 squattincassanova wrote:
Pickup threads are always funny.

50% say it doesn't work and its full of shit
50% say its too easy, just "be confident"
99% are keyboard jockeys.

1% (That's me) actually walking you through pickup through my eyes with actual weekly approaches and recordings.

If my lay count is too low, I'm a newb. If my lay count is too high, I'm a sleazy womanizer. You cant win! lol!



Get over yourself, you're a fake and you're full of shit. One day you're gonna wake up and realise you have nothing going for you because you spent years roaming around hunting women for no gain whatsoever.

I have a wonderful girlfriend and not interested in getting into a "I've had THIS many lays", ego measuring contest.




Cool story bro. Why are you in this thread then?
You better hope your GF doesn't ever meet me


Hah. She'd laugh at how pathetic you are because she knows your kind.

You see I've actually talked and connected with the women I've slept with. Because I only sleep with the women I respect and like and the things they have told me about you PUA guys is so funny.

Yes they can spot you a mile away.

Stories about how they come up and start running stupid lines about themselves that the girls couldn't give the slightest shit about yet you just keep on babbling.

How you put on a performance to impress them, try to make jokes that only you laugh at etc. etc. I could go on...

But the thing is you'll never get a real amazing woman for a relationship if you continue like this. One day you'll realise it though and maybe you can change it. I hope you do.


I personally think shed fall in love with a guy who is tall and has the body of Thor. She would marry me instantly because she knows I'm educated and I would take her all around the world. She is subconsciously looking for a man with superior genetics. You can't blame her. Its simple biology here.

Lol this thread is good value. I really don't know what to think about you cassanova. On one hand I think it is great that you really grab life by the balls and try be the best person you can be, and on the other hand I feel bad for you that in thinking you really are gods gift to women, you seem to be naive to the fact that some women don't like conceited patronising guys who think that because they work out and are educated that they are simply better than them. I would actually think you were seriously onto something if it wasn't for the superiority complex. But hey if you can meet a women willing to accept you for that more power to you.

I also think the whole 'better hope your gf doesn't meet me thing' is quite childish, especially considering you said previously (AFAIK) your hit rate with women is less than 1%, so chances are she wouldn't bang you anyway.

Anyway keep up the interesting discussion guys


relax... some times I am mini trolling.
http://www.youtube.com/squattincassanova (Pickup In-Field) Subscribe if you like!
KoveN-
Profile Joined October 2004
Australia503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 06:11:19
February 08 2012 06:09 GMT
#1512
On February 08 2012 14:54 r.Evo wrote:

@KoveN-

I absolutely agree with most of your statements. The point where I'd like you to differentiate though is that, while if everyone would take your advice to heart todays men would be way better off, it's not an advice you can give to those who feel truely left behind and stuck.

Imagine you're 25 and don't know how to swim. Yeah, you can such a guy to "just go try it out in shallow water, wtf can happen?" - however it is highly likely that holding his hand for a few hours and giving him pointers, techniques etc. will help him more than that. A big part of overcoming life-long behavioural patterns is finding the tools and ropes to start changing them.


Yes, I understand that. I call them Mentors.

The problem is guys are going to PUA material for their mentoring and this I think is wrong. Because you end up like this casanova guy or any other of the many clones the community produces.

I had mentors growing up and they held my hand a bit so to speak and taught me shit. However you must pick your mentors wisely.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
February 08 2012 06:41 GMT
#1513
So what is the end game? How do you win?
ModeratorGodfather
squattincassanova
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States650 Posts
February 08 2012 06:42 GMT
#1514
On February 08 2012 15:41 Manifesto7 wrote:
So what is the end game? How do you win?


With life? I'd like to get this area handled so I can start focusing on the other areas of my life like building financial wealth and travel. Either that or you end up being like Gunwitch, shoot a girl in the face and go to jail.
http://www.youtube.com/squattincassanova (Pickup In-Field) Subscribe if you like!
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
February 08 2012 06:50 GMT
#1515
On February 08 2012 15:42 squattincassanova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 15:41 Manifesto7 wrote:
So what is the end game? How do you win?


With life? I'd like to get this area handled so I can start focusing on the other areas of my life like building financial wealth and travel. Either that or you end up being like Gunwitch, shoot a girl in the face and go to jail.


Dumb it down for me, I don't get it. What situation would you be in to consider it "handled"?
ModeratorGodfather
tehboredone
Profile Joined July 2011
15 Posts
February 08 2012 06:51 GMT
#1516
Squattin what's your opinion on Simple Pickup, the youtube series? I've been following it and it's been pretty entertaining but at the same time inspiring lol. I remember when they just made youtube vids, but now they seem to have started their own website with their own forum and everything. It's pretty cool seeing how big they've become.
squattincassanova
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States650 Posts
February 08 2012 06:52 GMT
#1517
Get married? Pass on my genetics. Everyone's got different goals. A lot of guys who get into the game stay single...
http://www.youtube.com/squattincassanova (Pickup In-Field) Subscribe if you like!
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
February 08 2012 06:56 GMT
#1518
On February 08 2012 15:41 Manifesto7 wrote:
So what is the end game? How do you win?


The end game is that you've increased your quality of life and are able to have satisfying & healthy relationships with women that you love and respect in a way you personally enjoy the most.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
squattincassanova
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 07:04:39
February 08 2012 07:02 GMT
#1519
On February 08 2012 15:51 tehboredone wrote:
Squattin what's your opinion on Simple Pickup, the youtube series? I've been following it and it's been pretty entertaining but at the same time inspiring lol. I remember when they just made youtube vids, but now they seem to have started their own website with their own forum and everything. It's pretty cool seeing how big they've become.



I winged with them before. I hung out with them Jan 8th - 30th of 2011. At that time, it was just Kong and Jesse. Jason joined them around late January of 2011. He was a semi natural but had never done pick up at the time. I met Kong first in Hollywood Highlands, but I have also sarged with them in downtown Fullerton.

I think they are cool wings and cool guys to hang out with. They all developed and grew up with the rest of us in Casanovacrew.com but after they started Simple Pickup, a lot of people were kind of angry they forgot their roots.

I think they are decent as a wing, but I wouldn't pay 2000$ for a bootcamp. I am pretty sure my game is better than Jason. Not sure if I am better than Kong, but Jason for sure . They have never taught before, I dont think they are experienced enough as a coach... hell Jason still has AA doing mall game...but I guess that's how you get better right?

Their debrief is way too short on their schedule. Sunday 2-5pm debrief for 3 guys? DJ Fuji spends like an hour per person on debrief at the end of every night of sarging.

Their YouTube channel was a smart marketing move. Got them a lot of exposure. The reality is pickup in itself is pretty boring. They cut out all the boring stuff and just showed the funny lines. Unfortunately, its not really representative of a real pickup. After the attraction phase.... the comfort building is really really boring to listen to.
http://www.youtube.com/squattincassanova (Pickup In-Field) Subscribe if you like!
Kojak21
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1104 Posts
February 08 2012 07:30 GMT
#1520
What fun is it picking up easy girls that dont care what u say, just that ur talking to them to fuck you?
¯\_(☺)_/¯
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