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xiaofan
United States513 Posts
On October 20 2011 10:51 scaban84 wrote: I am originally from Chicago. I go back quite often, but I am currently living in New York. Why do you ask? I am in Chicago, and have been trying some PUA stuff recently. Just wondering if we frequent the same places =P. And you mentioned trading, so I thought maybe prop. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On October 20 2011 10:51 squattincassanova wrote:I mean that in a general term. If I told girls I record them, and go home and write an analysis about the interaction, MOST will get creeped out LOL! Too many details then! Marketing 101 tells you that people don't really want to know exactly how many things are made, whether it's laws, sausages, sweatshop products, or pick-up artists. :D On October 20 2011 10:53 Xiphos wrote:So, no, gaming a girl and bringing much joy, sexual pleasure and emotional fulfillment into her life won’t carry over into making her happier or a better person once you remove that source of joy by dumping her. You can tell yourself that the fond memories you gave her will put a bounce in her step and help her realize how fortunate she was to have spent some time with an alpha male, but in reality those memories will be like stones dangling from heavy chains tied to her soul. They will haunt her for years, even into the bed of whatever future beta she marries." Roissy might be brilliant at times, but he's also very close-minded and limited by unquestioned assumptions. In this case, he assumes that (a) you'll dump the girl in a unilateral and non-amicable manner, and (b) that what the girl wanted from you was twu wuv 4eva! Sometimes, women just need an amazing guy to shake up their world in order to help them break free of a negative relationship or move past mourning a previous one. Haven't you ever had your heart broken, only to feel much better after a comforting (sexual) friendship with an amazing girl? Attaching yourself to that girl forever is hardly necessary, and it goes the other way around, too. Not every girl is like Roissy describes, as some stereotypical fragile snowflake socially conditioned to seek marriage. Some are simply more than happy to enjoy your company before they move on to someone else, the same way you might. | ||
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Protoss_Carrier
414 Posts
The women you described in last thread is stuck on the 5 step griefing process and by definition, has a mental illness. As of me, what make me different from some of the poster of this thread? It's actually quite simple: How good at bedding a woman is not a significant part of what defines myself Other positive experiences, like being able to cut a man open and close, make up myself. And believe me, when you know who you are, PEOPLE come to you (first step: stop saying "women" but say people, because in the real world you want all people to be drawn to you). | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
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THEPPLsELBOW
United States190 Posts
On October 20 2011 18:19 Protoss_Carrier wrote: A true 10 doesn't have to mourn and bitch about a loss of relationship for years and end and get "bitter", persumably because of the new change that you bring to her world and her appreciation that your continued availability as a friend. Being in NYC might make women surrounding me different, and of course, the age range. The women you described in last thread is stuck on the 5 step griefing process and by definition, has a mental illness. As of me, what make me different from some of the poster of this thread? It's actually quite simple: How good at bedding a woman is not a significant part of what defines myself Other positive experiences, like being able to cut a man open and close, make up myself. And believe me, when you know who you are, PEOPLE come to you (first step: stop saying "women" but say people, because in the real world you want all people to be drawn to you). PC, I just read your last several posts and holy hell do you have errors in your logic. What's going on? You talk about how things "should go naturally", "TRUE alphas do this and that", "I know who I am so girls come my way". You convey some sort of Organic lifestyle that vegans try to impede on everyone else. However, you are very quick to generalize things. A true 10. Lol. What the hell is a true 10. I bet you got that special formula somewhere that rates girls out of 10? Why do you judge them before you meet them? Or if your so called 10's are people you know, then how in your right mind can you talk about the other 10's when you haven't even met them yet? CONCLUSION: Labels People Hastily (but doesn't everyone?) Also "Step 5 grieving process". Please tell me you do not think about how far along their grieving process is coming along in a normal interaction. If you were such an alpha male wouldn't you go with the flow and just not care about whether they are stage 5 or 4. If someone brings up in an argument about this girl, and your only defense is "stage 5 grieving process" how would that impact others image of you? CONCLUSION: Hypocrite You are a surgeon. You brought that up quite unexpectedly. Why? You talk on and on about real males. Tell me about yourself. How many "Alpha" experiences have you had. And think about it, if an alpha male were to describe is latest adventure to a bunch of people over the internet, would anybody believe him? No. So don't even tell me any story. I can tell you right now that you are projecting your negative feelings into this thread by raising arguments where there shouldn't be any. In fact if you were such a cool dude you shouldn't even have time responding to all this crap on a forum, you have too many alpha tasks to do. And women to be lured by your "everyone wants to talk to me" aura. CONCLUSION: Lack of lifestyle to back up claims. No credibility. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
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Pillage
United States804 Posts
On October 20 2011 13:49 sunprince wrote: Too many details then! Marketing 101 tells you that people don't really want to know exactly how many things are made, whether it's laws, sausages, sweatshop products, or pick-up artists. :D Roissy might be brilliant at times, but he's also very close-minded and limited by unquestioned assumptions. In this case, he assumes that (a) you'll dump the girl in a unilateral and non-amicable manner, and (b) that what the girl wanted from you was twu wuv 4eva! Sometimes, women just need an amazing guy to shake up their world in order to help them break free of a negative relationship or move past mourning a previous one. Haven't you ever had your heart broken, only to feel much better after a comforting (sexual) friendship with an amazing girl? Attaching yourself to that girl forever is hardly necessary, and it goes the other way around, too. I agree with you analysis on Roissy. But you have to understand that he caters to probability when discussing how to get girls. And like you mention here, Not every girl is like Roissy describes, as some stereotypical fragile snowflake socially conditioned to seek marriage. Some are simply more than happy to enjoy your company before they move on to someone else, the same way you might. this goes against the general trend. Sure, his assumptions don't apply to some girls, but they do apply to alot of them. I'm also willing to bet he dates women in their mid twenties, where these expectations start to arise to the forefront of the female mind. I'm still happy someone else here reads Roissy, his eloquence makes understanding girls so much easier, even for the best ladies man. | ||
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THEPPLsELBOW
United States190 Posts
On October 21 2011 07:50 squattincassanova wrote: Haha, did the work for me. Its easy to spot the newbs. Its like Starcraft where guys talk about this strategy and that. Then you look at their replay and they got like 70 APM and ZERO hotkeying looooool! Master league checkin in | ||
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Protoss_Carrier
414 Posts
On October 21 2011 07:44 THEPPLsELBOW wrote: You are a surgeon. You brought that up quite unexpectedly. What's your passion in life? Wouldn't be proud of what you do best and incorporate it as a way you see the world? | ||
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adacan
United States117 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On October 21 2011 08:59 adacan wrote: Hi newbie here, have stumbled across this thread and have read most of the way through. Does anyone have any advice for someone who is not very social but doesn't really want to be more social? Like I prefer being alone most of the time but will go out to a bar with friends like once a month or something. Don't really have any desire to try to show people I am amazing or try to have people think I am the coolest person. Would much rather talk with an interesting woman than bang a hot one, ie would much rather prefer an interesting 6-7 then a hot dumb 10. Would I really have to become an extrovert to be good with women? Do women just not like introverts? Sorry for so many questions. I'll start with the last question first - it's not that women don't like introverts just because they're introverts - it's that women don't get to meet that many of them. Like it or not, in a social situation it is the man's responsibility to make an approach, so if you're not going to bother with that, you're never going to know if a woman would have been interested in you or not. Backing up one question, quite simply yes. The only way to get better at doing something, is to actually do it. If you want to become a better conversationalist, better at pickup, better at playing sports, or a musical instrument, whatever it is at a certain point you need to actually go out and do it. All the theory and reading in the world doesn't count for shit if you don't put it to use. Backing up one MORE, why do you assume that the 10 is dumb? Just because a woman is attractive, does not reflect in any way on her personality - sure she will come off as more of a bitch, but that's likely because she has so many men approaching her to "screen through" in a given period of time that it's the most effective way to get things done for her. As far as personality on the introversion/extroversion scale... I used to think the same way you do. I was happy to sit inside and play video games, talk to a couple friends once in a while, read a book and think about life. Then I started actually tasting it - it's certainly something that grows on you; almost as if it were addictive. I believe that the more time you spend "out" the more time you will WANT to spend out. Perhaps it will never go away - once in a while I need a day to sit in my room and recharge, but the next day I'm ready to go again, making plans for dinner, to grab tea, to go shoot hoops, to study, to party. Talking to girls in class, on the bus, walking down the sidewalk, sitting on a bench, wherever. You don't have to spring for this all at once. Each day, take one more step outside your comfort zone than you did yesterday. Maybe tomorrow, you ask five people what time it is. The next day, you talk to them about the weather. Then it's ten people. Before you know it, conversation will be coming to you, and you'll be searching it out. Then the only thing you need to get set on is mindset - and this thread, and the whole pickup community can certainly help you out with that. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 21 2011 08:59 adacan wrote: Hi newbie here, have stumbled across this thread and have read most of the way through. Does anyone have any advice for someone who is not very social but doesn't really want to be more social? Like I prefer being alone most of the time but will go out to a bar with friends like once a month or something. Don't really have any desire to try to show people I am amazing or try to have people think I am the coolest person. Would much rather talk with an interesting woman than bang a hot one, ie would much rather prefer an interesting 6-7 then a hot dumb 10. Would I really have to become an extrovert to be good with women? Do women just not like introverts? Sorry for so many questions. Well....everything really depends on your prerequisite experience. Let me ask you this one question: "How is your relationship history?" Judging from you being an "introvert", I can only assume that you haven't met that many people in your life. Attraction mainly comes from social skills. If you haven't met that much people in your life, how are you able to develop those crucial skills? I think that's rhetoric. To improve yourself, first thing you should be doing is to initiate conversations with anyone you see. Have small talks with them, talk about anything really. Make yourself approachable. Don't be that boring guy who put his head down while walking and have that dark gaze in his eyes, people really do get intimidate by those little things (notice how I say people in a general sense). After getting comfortable with small talks, then its time to create depth into the conversation and build your characters to be more intereting. As a natural born introverst myself, I would say that I have accumulated a lot of knowledge by myself so now here is the trick, make those past experiences fascinating for others to hear, bring them to your world. People would go "wow he is full of life", "he is so adventurous" and "I would totally hang out with him". If you really don't have the confidence to start opening those lips, at least try to maintain a good frame control. | ||
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THEPPLsELBOW
United States190 Posts
On October 21 2011 08:50 Protoss_Carrier wrote: What's your passion in life? Wouldn't be proud of what you do best and incorporate it as a way you see the world? Yes, and in fact surgeons are one of the people I respect the most. Most people who flunk med school end up as general practitioners...they give the degree a bad name. I only mentioned it because it was just... out of place. I'm a mech E student, I don't quite have a passion for it though. I'm sort of still in the exploring phase. | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
Also. Something I learned from a psychology workshop I went to in my freshman year. Introverted and Extroverted is not a measure of sociability. I'm introverted, but quite a social introvert. Instead it is how you find your "base" or relax. Many introverted people will tend to recharge their batteries alone, while extroverted people tend to be in the general vicinity of people to relax. Introverts tend to think a lot of things through before they say anything, while extroverts tend to blurt things out, even when they are just running through ideas. Extroverts tend to form their ideas out loud in that fashion, even if they don't agree with it. It is how they reach their conclusions. Introverts roll this stuff over in their head a couple of times before they even begin to form an idea, and before they open their mouths in general. So, obviously extroverted people tend to be more social because they are around people more often while introverts are not. They also tend to talk out their ideas, thus getting them into more conversations than the introvert who may form his idea completely before speaking. Bottom line about all this hooblah, is that you aren't less social because you are introverted and more because your extroverted, you are less social because you are less social. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
On October 21 2011 08:59 adacan wrote: Hi newbie here, have stumbled across this thread and have read most of the way through. Does anyone have any advice for someone who is not very social but doesn't really want to be more social? Like I prefer being alone most of the time but will go out to a bar with friends like once a month or something. Don't really have any desire to try to show people I am amazing or try to have people think I am the coolest person. Would much rather talk with an interesting woman than bang a hot one, ie would much rather prefer an interesting 6-7 then a hot dumb 10. Would I really have to become an extrovert to be good with women? Do women just not like introverts? Sorry for so many questions. The fundamental principles are the same regardless of your taste. When you approach a girl, you don't know what shes about. She may be a 10, that doesn't mean shes dumb. From a cold approach perspective, you know absolutely nothing about that person other than what you can cold read. Its only from the interaction that you find more about her. The principles are the same in pickup whether you want to bang hot girls or if you want to get interesting girls. At least initially.. the principles are the same. 1. Take an improv comedy class 2. Go out and approach girls 3. Develop hobbies / Travel | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On October 21 2011 08:05 Pillage wrote: this goes against the general trend. Sure, his assumptions don't apply to some girls, but they do apply to alot of them. I'm also willing to bet he dates women in their mid twenties, where these expectations start to arise to the forefront of the female mind. Then I disagree with the premise that most girls are like that. In general I've found that most girls in the 18-25 range don't think that way; they don't expect you to marry and provide for them... unless you lead them to think that. Establish the frame that you have provider potential but aren't interested in doing so at the moment (or with them), and they'll be happy to treat you as just someone they can have fun with. The reason why we say "leave every girl better than you found them" is that some PUAs find it easier to lead a girl on before breaking their heart. If your game involves making girls think you are their one true love forever, then of course you're gonna break their heart when you dump them. The truth is that real alphas don't need to deceive girls like that to get laid, but wannabes don't always get that. Most single attractive girls are single by choice anyway, and have a rotation of guys to prevent oneitis the same way alphas do with girls. On October 21 2011 08:05 Pillage wrote:I'm still happy someone else here reads Roissy, his eloquence makes understanding girls so much easier, even for the best ladies man. Certainly. His brutal honesty is also invaluable for communicating key concepts, even if it comes off problematically at times. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On October 19 2011 14:01 phyre112 wrote: Been following this topic for a while - I lurk a hell of a lot more than I post on TL. I've also read a decent amount of this pickup stuff, and on a semi-regular basis, while I am out talking to people and making friends in any given situation I'll have the active thought to incorporate something pickup related. I wouldn't call myself someone who "practices" or even say that I have specific goals with pickup, but it sure as hell is nice to be able to talk to people, and get them enjoying it. I think the number one takeaway is the mindset here. If you're actually able to convince yourself that you are the prize; that you are screening girls for being good enough, that you're approaching with the mindset of "I want to have some fun RIGHT NOW, and I am the guy to make it happen" rather than some sack-less nerd, you're going to have some degree of success. I find if I can spark a five minute, interesting conversation at meeting, assume that a girl likes me, and let things build "naturally" (which I might add, only comes from doing it ten thousand times) I'm going to get what I want out of the interaction nine out of ten times. Now deciding how far I want to go, and actually going for it? That's quite the kicker. I'm usually a very strong willed and decisive person, but this is the one area of my life I fail in. I actually don't escalate fast enough for a lot of girls, because that's not where my mind is at right away. Maybe I should get my testosterone checked =/. Wow, this is exactly like me... | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
On October 21 2011 11:08 squattincassanova wrote: The fundamental principles are the same regardless of your taste. When you approach a girl, you don't know what shes about. She may be a 10, that doesn't mean shes dumb. From a cold approach perspective, you know absolutely nothing about that person other than what you can cold read. Its only from the interaction that you find more about her. The principles are the same in pickup whether you want to bang hot girls or if you want to get interesting girls. At least initially.. the principles are the same. 1. Take an improv comedy class 2. Go out and approach girls 3. Develop hobbies / Travel Agreed. Yeah I don't know why there's an assumption that 10 automatically = empty headed. That's starting off on the wrong foot isn't it? And to flip that around, just because someone is a 6/7 by no means guarantees that they are "more interesting" just b/c they aren't as hot. It just feels like the wrong mindset tbh. And I say this b/c I used to think like adacan too; but what I'm saying is you don't want to go down that road. If you find a 9/10 who's also interesting and intelligent, that's really what we're all after in the first place isn't it? Also I'm curious on what squattincassanova will be reporting back hah. | ||
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