On October 19 2011 20:27 squattincassanova wrote: Mindset is part of it. Action is the other part. You can think you are the pimp but if you are home playing WoW all day, you wont fundamentally change. Mindset is encouragement to go out, it helps you long term, but you still have to make the same mistakes and you will still have to learn the same thing from a technical perspective. What distinguishes success is mainly based on what you are doing that everyone else is not doing. I have gone out every single week, every friday and every saturday for the past 10 months except when I had day 2s lined up.
The right mindset is hard to attain. When I lived in Miami I hung out with some motivated wingmen. Then it was easy to go out every Friday and Saturday night and approach every 7 and up. I moved to New York a year ago and have since been struggling to get in the right mindset. I'm only 27 and I don't have the motivation to go out by myself like I used to. A few days ago I joined a few PUA groups on meetup.com to find a wingman, hopefully someone like you heeds the call.
Day game is your friend. When you are on the bus, you see a 8 just sitting there couple of seats down, go up to her and strick up a conversation. Its not the same as night game/club game but it could be easier to pull if you are good at creating rapport. Honestly you can really "game" whenever you want. The opportunities are everywhere.
I don't quite get day game. Maybe because I'm more of a night person. Plus I spend most of my days working either at home or with a bunch of geeky traders. And gaming on public transportation, I never even thought of that as a viable option. Bars are my only option at this point.
why isn't talking to women during the day a viable option? do you realize how silly you sound?
dont "game" them. just "pretend" you were seriously interestend in them and thus talk to them.
On October 20 2011 01:01 Xiphos wrote:Day game is your friend. When you are on the bus, you see a 8 just sitting there couple of seats down, go up to her and strick up a conversation. Its not the same as night game/club game but it could be easier to pull if you are good at creating rapport. Honestly you can really "game" whenever you want. The opportunities are everywhere.
Agreed.
There's some advantages too: day game is usually more effective if you're looking for something more than same night lays in your women (FWBs, OLTRs, etc), plus you get a better idea of how girls really look when they're not dolled up to the max and under dim lighting.
On October 19 2011 20:27 squattincassanova wrote: Mindset is part of it. Action is the other part. You can think you are the pimp but if you are home playing WoW all day, you wont fundamentally change. Mindset is encouragement to go out, it helps you long term, but you still have to make the same mistakes and you will still have to learn the same thing from a technical perspective. What distinguishes success is mainly based on what you are doing that everyone else is not doing. I have gone out every single week, every friday and every saturday for the past 10 months except when I had day 2s lined up.
The right mindset is hard to attain. When I lived in Miami I hung out with some motivated wingmen. Then it was easy to go out every Friday and Saturday night and approach every 7 and up. I moved to New York a year ago and have since been struggling to get in the right mindset. I'm only 27 and I don't have the motivation to go out by myself like I used to. A few days ago I joined a few PUA groups on meetup.com to find a wingman, hopefully someone like you heeds the call.
Day game is your friend. When you are on the bus, you see a 8 just sitting there couple of seats down, go up to her and strick up a conversation. Its not the same as night game/club game but it could be easier to pull if you are good at creating rapport. Honestly you can really "game" whenever you want. The opportunities are everywhere.
I don't quite get day game. Maybe because I'm more of a night person. Plus I spend most of my days working either at home or with a bunch of geeky traders. And gaming on public transportation, I never even thought of that as a viable option. Bars are my only option at this point.
why isn't talking to women during the day a viable option? do you realize how silly you sound?
dont "game" them. just "pretend" you were seriously interestend in them and thus talk to them.
You are putting words in my mouth. I didn't say talking to women during the day isn't a viable option, those are your words. Obviously you can use any opportunity to talk to women. With my routine the opportunities during the day are very thin. When I think "game" I think of executing a method that requires discipline and concentration.
PUA attempt to emulate alpha males with value. As a student of surgery myself, I've been told by many ladies that they are sick of those "emulators". When a man truly has value, he doesn't need to go strike up a conversation with everyone, but with those he wants to, he succeeds.
On October 19 2011 20:27 squattincassanova wrote: Mindset is part of it. Action is the other part. You can think you are the pimp but if you are home playing WoW all day, you wont fundamentally change. Mindset is encouragement to go out, it helps you long term, but you still have to make the same mistakes and you will still have to learn the same thing from a technical perspective. What distinguishes success is mainly based on what you are doing that everyone else is not doing. I have gone out every single week, every friday and every saturday for the past 10 months except when I had day 2s lined up.
The right mindset is hard to attain. When I lived in Miami I hung out with some motivated wingmen. Then it was easy to go out every Friday and Saturday night and approach every 7 and up. I moved to New York a year ago and have since been struggling to get in the right mindset. I'm only 27 and I don't have the motivation to go out by myself like I used to. A few days ago I joined a few PUA groups on meetup.com to find a wingman, hopefully someone like you heeds the call.
Day game is your friend. When you are on the bus, you see a 8 just sitting there couple of seats down, go up to her and strick up a conversation. Its not the same as night game/club game but it could be easier to pull if you are good at creating rapport. Honestly you can really "game" whenever you want. The opportunities are everywhere.
I don't quite get day game. Maybe because I'm more of a night person. Plus I spend most of my days working either at home or with a bunch of geeky traders. And gaming on public transportation, I never even thought of that as a viable option. Bars are my only option at this point.
why isn't talking to women during the day a viable option? do you realize how silly you sound?
dont "game" them. just "pretend" you were seriously interestend in them and thus talk to them.
You are putting words in my mouth. I didn't say talking to women during the day isn't a viable option, those are your words. Obviously you can use any opportunity to talk to women. With my routine the opportunities during the day are very thin. When I think "game" I think of executing a method that requires discipline and concentration.
Well don`t think `game` like that. Trust me, you will end up hurting your mentality (see my previous posts in this thread). In day game, its all about being natural and indirect about your intentions. Say that at night you will go for like really straightforward lines, maybe try to work your way to deliver that line with transition ones. Be interesting AND interested. I like day game because it offers way more satisfaction because I am not forcing myself to go at bars just to pick up women, things just happen.
On October 20 2011 09:30 Protoss_Carrier wrote: PUA attempt to emulate alpha males with value. As a student of surgery myself, I've been told by many ladies that they are sick of those "emulators". When a man truly has value, he doesn't need to go strike up a conversation with everyone, but with those he wants to, he succeeds.
Woah not everyone lol only the boner inducing women
On October 20 2011 09:30 Protoss_Carrier wrote: PUA attempt to emulate alpha males with value. As a student of surgery myself, I've been told by many ladies that they are sick of those "emulators". When a man truly has value, he doesn't need to go strike up a conversation with everyone, but with those he wants to, he succeeds.
When you learn to be better at anything, obviously you aren't going to awesome at first. You think Michael Jordan dunked his first day on the basketball court?
And why should I care what girls think? I don't give a shit. They are nothing but practice for me to get better. The first night I went to the club, I was fucking terrible! All the girls thought I was a creepy douche bag! If I listened to you, I would be like "well I wasn't born to be alpha male Mr. Confident Natural, then I should quit". That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. You don't think alpha males got practice talking to people? They where just fortunate to be placed in the right conditions when they were kids and growing up that they had the opportunities to learn it while some of us did not have those opportunities because our parents were retarded.
Obviously the better you become, the more selective you become. When I first started going out, I was happy an ugly whale was talking to me. Now, that's too easy. I can get hotter girls, Thus, I selectively filter out girls that are in the range of my interest. As I get better and better, I focus on 9's and 10's. But if you fucking start out telling yourself "i only approach super hotty playboy playmates". Number one, when you do actually see one, you wont have the balls to approach. Number two, those girls are so rare, that you would come across once in a blue moon and you would never get enough practice approaches to actually get good.
It's observational consensus of an expert group, e.g. for the same reason that most of the experienced members of teamliquid would tell you that 3 Base Spire -> 5 Hatch Hydra is a strong ZvP option when executed correctly, and 1 Base Ultras is not. The seduction community actively tests out different ideas and reports back on what works and doesn't. And as people develop expert knowledge, they can also evaluate strategies without necessarily testing them, based on their understanding of the general princples based on how Zerg play (or seduction) works.
Individually, I can tell you that mainstream dating advice is useless compared to seduction community advice based on my own experiences (if we run with the Starcraft analogy, I've tested the different build orders extensively).
Starcraft is one, constant game. Every girl is different.
On October 20 2011 09:30 Protoss_Carrier wrote: PUA attempt to emulate alpha males with value. As a student of surgery myself, I've been told by many ladies that they are sick of those "emulators". When a man truly has value, he doesn't need to go strike up a conversation with everyone, but with those he wants to, he succeeds.
I mean no disrespect but how does mentioning your career impact your argument? I don't think that an anecdote of a girl(s) telling you what women want is very useful for identifying what really drives women to hook up. As a matter of fact, them saying "they are so sick of those 'emulators'" sounds like women who are bitter about getting stuffed by those "emulators". They wish that the guys they go for actually surrender their balls, they wouldn't be complaining otherwise. Most girls I meet, when I ask them what they are looking in a guy, say that they are looking for someone "nice". But I understand that they are only saying that because historically they go for the "jerk". Women don't ever tell you what they want.
On October 20 2011 09:30 Protoss_Carrier wrote: PUA attempt to emulate alpha males with value. As a student of surgery myself, I've been told by many ladies that they are sick of those "emulators". When a man truly has value, he doesn't need to go strike up a conversation with everyone, but with those he wants to, he succeeds.
When you learn to be better at anything, obviously you aren't going to awesome at first. You think Michael Jordan dunked his first day on the basketball court?
And why should I care what girls think? I don't give a shit. They are nothing but practice for me to get better. The first night I went to the club, I was fucking terrible! All the girls thought I was a creepy douche bag! If I listened to you, I would be like "well I wasn't born to be alpha male Mr. Confident Natural, then I should quit". That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. You don't think alpha males got practice talking to people? They where just fortunate to be placed in the right conditions when they were kids and growing up that they had the opportunities to learn it while some of us did not have those opportunities because our parents were retarded.
Obviously the better you become, the more selective you become. When I first started going out, I was happy an ugly whale was talking to me. Now, that's too easy. I can get hotter girls, Thus, I selectively filter out girls that are in the range of my interest. As I get better and better, I focus on 9's and 10's. But if you fucking start out telling yourself "i only approach super hotty playboy playmates". Number one, when you do actually see one, you wont have the balls to approach. Number two, those girls are so rare, that you would come across once in a blue moon and you would never get enough practice approaches to actually get good.
That's unfortunate to hear your mishap. But please explain to me why I shouldn't care about how the girls I am trying to pursue think? I may care about my primary more than my FwB but they are all people, and deserved to be listened to and cared for.
1. Girls don't know what they want. 2. They complain about how they hate assholes, but their last 5 boyfriends were assholes 3. They make horrible pick up coaches. All the well known female pick up coaches in the industry are jokes.
You are on a journey to get better. If I told a girl I was learning pickup, they would get disgusted. That doesn't mean I can't try and do it secretly. Worst case scenario, she thinks I'm just a regular other dude (This just means I screwed up the interaction. Its not a reflection of me, its a reflection of my interaction). Best case scenario, she likes me. And guaranteed, I am getting better.
On October 20 2011 10:33 squattincassanova wrote: 1. Girls don't know what they want.
I am incredibly fortunate to have the pleasure to spend my last few years with amazing women who knew what they want, encourge me to go out and meet others when they aren't around, and allow us to both mature.
Real alpha male change those around them for the better and permeate his group with love and beautiful memories.
As soon as you begin to hold core beliefs like "Girls don't know what they want, etc", you aren't changing their world for the better.
On October 20 2011 09:30 Protoss_Carrier wrote: PUA attempt to emulate alpha males with value. As a student of surgery myself, I've been told by many ladies that they are sick of those "emulators". When a man truly has value, he doesn't need to go strike up a conversation with everyone, but with those he wants to, he succeeds.
I mean no disrespect but how does mentioning your career impact your argument? I don't think that an anecdote of a girl(s) telling you what women want is very useful for identifying what really drives women to hook up. As a matter of fact, them saying "they are so sick of those 'emulators'" sounds like women who are bitter about getting stuffed by those "emulators". They wish that the guys they go for actually surrender their balls, they wouldn't be complaining otherwise. Most girls I meet, when I ask them what they are looking in a guy, say that they are looking for someone "nice". But I understand that they are only saying that because historically they go for the "jerk". Women don't ever tell you what they want.
scaban if u dont mind me asking do you happen to be in chicago?
On October 20 2011 10:33 squattincassanova wrote: If I told a girl I was learning pickup, they would get disgusted.
That's probably due to how you screen girls though. I've told a fair number that I study seduction as a hobby and allude to it in my Facebook profile (in plain view), and while it occasionally backfires, it's rarely an issue (at least, in terms of casual relationships; I'm sure it would hurt more if I was looking for a monogamous LTR). It also can't be a huge dealbreaker that overrides PU skills, or else well-known PUA coaches would have trouble.
Then again, I tend to go for chill 8s and 9s over bratty 10s, so maybe that has something to do with it.
On October 20 2011 10:33 squattincassanova wrote: 1. Girls don't know what they want.
I am incredibly fortunate to have the pleasure to spend my last few years with amazing women who knew what they want, encourge me to go out and meet others when they aren't around, and allow us to both mature.
Real alpha male change those around them for the better and permeate his group with love and beautiful memories.
As soon as you begin to hold core beliefs like "Girls don't know what they want, etc", you aren't changing their world for the better.
[u]Go read more[/u.
Typical keyboard jockey.
1. Who are these gorgeous women you are surrounded with? Show pics or video. Explain why they want to hang out with you. 2. There is no point in talking about what alpha males are like if you don't know how to become one. 3. "They encourage you to meet others" - what do you think pick up is all about? So basically, you are telling me you are a dorky nerd, but you got all these hot gorgeous women around you in your daily life giving you advice on how to be good with women. Is this what I am hearing? 4. Real basketball players can dunk blind folded, and you can't. Whats your point? 5. Girls don't know what they want because that's reality. Most of them are regular people just like guys, and half of them are below average and they are simply creatures not to be placed on pedestals. The world is what it is.
On October 20 2011 10:33 squattincassanova wrote: If I told a girl I was learning pickup, they would get disgusted.
That's probably due to how you screen girls though. I've told a fair number that I study seduction as a hobby and allude to it in my Facebook profile (in plain view), and while it occasionally backfires, it's rarely an issue (at least, in terms of casual relationships; I'm sure it would hurt more if I was looking for a monogamous LTR). It also can't be a huge dealbreaker that overrides PU skills, or else well-known PUA coaches would have trouble.
Then again, I tend to go for chill 8s and 9s over bratty 10s, so maybe that has something to do with it.
I mean that in a general term. If I told girls I record them, and go home and write an analysis about the interaction, MOST will get creeped out LOL!
On October 20 2011 09:30 Protoss_Carrier wrote: PUA attempt to emulate alpha males with value. As a student of surgery myself, I've been told by many ladies that they are sick of those "emulators". When a man truly has value, he doesn't need to go strike up a conversation with everyone, but with those he wants to, he succeeds.
I mean no disrespect but how does mentioning your career impact your argument? I don't think that an anecdote of a girl(s) telling you what women want is very useful for identifying what really drives women to hook up. As a matter of fact, them saying "they are so sick of those 'emulators'" sounds like women who are bitter about getting stuffed by those "emulators". They wish that the guys they go for actually surrender their balls, they wouldn't be complaining otherwise. Most girls I meet, when I ask them what they are looking in a guy, say that they are looking for someone "nice". But I understand that they are only saying that because historically they go for the "jerk". Women don't ever tell you what they want.
scaban if u dont mind me asking do you happen to be in chicago?
I am originally from Chicago. I go back quite often, but I am currently living in New York. Why do you ask?
On October 20 2011 10:33 squattincassanova wrote: 1. Girls don't know what they want.
I am incredibly fortunate to have the pleasure to spend my last few years with amazing women who knew what they want, encourge me to go out and meet others when they aren't around, and allow us to both mature.
Real alpha male change those around them for the better and permeate his group with love and beautiful memories.
As soon as you begin to hold core beliefs like "Girls don't know what they want, etc", you aren't changing their world for the better.
Go read more.
"When women get dumped by men they love, they get hurt. Ask any woman recently dumped by an alpha boyfriend, and you will most assuredly not hear a melodious note of happiness in her voice. What you will hear is pain, sorrow, regret, an inability to focus on anything, and even a sense of guilt (“I nagged him too much!”). There will be tears, anger and spite. What there won’t be is some Anthony Robbins-like revelation of self improvement.
So, no, gaming a girl and bringing much joy, sexual pleasure and emotional fulfillment into her life won’t carry over into making her happier or a better person once you remove that source of joy by dumping her. You can tell yourself that the fond memories you gave her will put a bounce in her step and help her realize how fortunate she was to have spent some time with an alpha male, but in reality those memories will be like stones dangling from heavy chains tied to her soul. They will haunt her for years, even into the bed of whatever future beta she marries. " You go read more at http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/leaving-her-better-than-you-found-her-not-likely/
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