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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
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Black Civil Rights
21 Posts
On April 06 2012 15:40 squattincassanova wrote: Seriously? you're showing me YouTube videos of Mystery? I have literally read Venutian Arts hand book like 6 times and highlighted stuff on every page....and that was 5 years ago. So let me get this straight... You've been doing PUA for five years yet the noob field report videos you post are the results of your hard-earned 'success'? | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
On April 06 2012 15:52 Black Civil Rights wrote: So let me get this straight... You've been doing PUA for five years yet the noob field report videos you post are the results of your hard-earned 'success'? I was a keyboard jockey like you  I know its crazy huh? | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 06 2012 15:40 squattincassanova wrote: Seriously? you're showing me YouTube videos of Mystery? I have literally read Venutian Arts hand book like 6 times and highlighted stuff on every page....and that was 5 years ago. Lol, bisu's horror gate vod has been posted 100 times, yet I still click play every time its re posted. Why the hate? Also I was only referring to one video, because it sounded like you don't know a lot about DHV story telling, so I was trying to show you (and others). You know like... share knowledge? I thought that was the purpose of this thread. The other video I wasn't in exact agreement is, as I gave my opinion on "neg calibration" underneath it, he gave some really funny examples though. It wasn't just for you to see, and I wasn't telling you to press the play button.  On April 05 2012 02:31 squattincassanova wrote: DHV stories don't usually work well in general. 1. If they are true, it sounds like you are cocky and arrogant. Lets say you had a Lambo and you kept talking about how awesome your car is, you sound like a douche bag. Lets say you're a doctor and you keep talking about how smart you are, you sound the same way. Lets say you have a great body (such as me) and you talk about it, guess what? Girls think you are a self absorbed asshole. I tried trolling like ZYZZ from bodybuilding.com and I failed miserably in terms of pickup. 2. If you are making shit up, she will probably tell that you are full of shit and that you aren't congruent. You shouldn't be telling long winded stories in the beginning. It should be more about teasing push/pull at the start. You've read the Venusian Arts hand book 6 times and done PUA for 5 years, yet you don't have the faintest clue on how to tell a DHV story or when you should be using them, let alone what one is. Maybe that's why they didn't work? hmmm. I feel like this is the same with a lot of the concepts you seem to just throw away. For example, I could tell someone to just 4/6 pool every game, sure he's going to win some games, especially when mass gaming, but he's not actually improving as a player, and eventually will hit a ceiling where he will have to learn to do a macro build. That's why throwing away DHV stories seems like such a silly idea, the amount of flexibility you get once you can do it is much more useful and powerful than just chatting her up and getting to know each other. However it takes a LOT of practise, although it comes more natural to people who have done theatre or literature, and you always wonder why many of them are so charismatic. | ||
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BHZ
Spain19 Posts
On April 06 2012 13:40 sluggaslamoo wrote: you can be a boring old engineering student with no life and still be the most interesting guy she's ever met. I am myself an old engineering student, and I consider myself extremely interesting. I also know many old engineering students with very good grades (especially the ones with the best grades) who have very good sex lives with many different girls although they don't have that much free time (no life as you put it). If you are smart, you are smart, that's it. | ||
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SeXyBaCk
Switzerland174 Posts
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reincremate
China2215 Posts
On April 09 2012 21:37 SeXyBaCk wrote: keyboard or no keyboard jockeys, you're all playah's in your own right. Just keep that in mind. Yeah, we all Starcraft playahs, seen (or maybe just fans). | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 09 2012 01:19 BHZ wrote: I am myself an old engineering student, and I consider myself extremely interesting. I also know many old engineering students with very good grades (especially the ones with the best grades) who have very good sex lives with many different girls although they don't have that much free time (no life as you put it). If you are smart, you are smart, that's it. What you consider interesting may not be what others consider interesting, that's the problem. I bet when someone asks you "where do you work" you give them a straight answer ("I work at a bank in the CBD, I am a manager i do this, i do that"), and if you don't well, congratulations you are "better" than 98% of the engineering students i know. When I mean you don't, I mean something starting off like "I'm a superhero, you don't believe me? see this is why" and tie that into banking. PUA is designed around people like engineering students, who like to talk in terms of facts and straight answers and never like beating around the bush. Problem is that's only interesting to other engineering students of your field, to other people they will simply switch off. The golden rule of pickup convo is to never give a straight answer, for sciency-types this is extremely difficult. There is a stigma that sciency-types or academics like to cling on to topics that tend to be female repellent, and I think that is completely true. I'm talking about having convos with girls that would seem completely out of your league, the 9's and 10's, and maybe 8's at a bar or coffee shop or whatever, not the college science girls that are in your class where you can easily start a convo by discussing biology homework. Sure there are some people who are different, but being smart doesn't mean you are able to be very interesting. I know heaps of "dumb" people that are really fun to talk to, and really smart people that are boring. Theater and linguistics tend to lend itself well to being interesting and charismatic, neither of which are thought to be attributed to the commonly accepted notion of smart. | ||
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NDDseer
Australia204 Posts
saw this and just had to. Note: Doesn't give a straight answer to anything Is having fun Leaning back (relaxed) and positioned in the middle More than okay with being physical Someone else will provide a better analysis I'm sure. | ||
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TheGeneralTheoryOf
235 Posts
I bet when someone asks you "where do you work" you give them a straight answer You have to answer their question, says Mystery, or otherwise you'll come across as creepy. What is this guy hiding? I mean you could say 'ass model' once, and it's funny, but you keep making jokes about this serious question and she'll be gone quickly. The way to answer this question is to start with : when I was a child I got into x and then as a teenager x and y happened now as an adult I am a z (and z better be something impressive, and true). on DHV stories it's best to tell the blatant ones to the obstacle, so that the target can over hear. If you tell it to them directly it came come across as bragging and insecure | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 13 2012 00:18 TheGeneralTheoryOf wrote: You have to answer their question, says Mystery, or otherwise you'll come across as creepy. What is this guy hiding? I mean you could say 'ass model' once, and it's funny, but you keep making jokes about this serious question and she'll be gone quickly. The way to answer this question is to start with : when I was a child I got into x and then as a teenager x and y happened now as an adult I am a z (and z better be something impressive, and true). on DHV stories it's best to tell the blatant ones to the obstacle, so that the target can over hear. If you tell it to them directly it came come across as bragging and insecure I can attest to that, you can definitely treat the girl in a whimsical way. But if you do it too much, she'll quickly know your intention and will simply stop showing any more interest. Time is valuable. Learn to not have the girl think that she is wasting it. A good principle to follow is: Be as humorous as possible but once the circumstance alters, immediately make a turnaround by augmenting your maturity. While we have stepped ourselves over the doormat of the DHV stories, I want to share some of my rudimentary insight on it. From my own personal experience, I think that it is best used as Mystery would describe, the 'comfort' stage of the process. If you begin the 'set' (gawd, I despise saying/writing that word) with it, assuming that the girl is even that nice, she will, in return offer a smile in an awkward fashion. You MIGHT be able continue the performance onward by quickly transitioning (or threading, if you will) conversational topic. However, if you happen to step on the wrong foot, the response would be pretty. In any of the cases, the girl would think "Why the hell is he telling me this?" and would definitely find you to be a shady character. I shouldn't explain the 'seduction' stage because if you are able to retain her attention for that long, telling stories would be somewhat of a innappropriate move. Reason being that once you piqued the initial attraction, the window of opportunity will present itself for a number closure. You want to use it as gateway for the two of you to truly connect. By telling past, captivating experiences, you are sort of forming a bond that you two have known each other for a long period of time. So, anyone who are puzzled on the correct usage of the technique, this is my two cents. | ||
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TheGeneralTheoryOf
235 Posts
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TheGeneralTheoryOf
235 Posts
A wingman is a useful tool to have, to block obstacles (dudes trying to get in on that or girls jealous of the attention dragging their friend away). Still these problems can easily be dealt with yourself. Mystery describes the wingman approach as this : Whoever approaches gets target (the hotter one). Let's assume it's a two set, for simplicities sake. You approach and open it like any two set (engage the obstacle, neg the target). Then you accomplishment intro your wingman to the obstacle. He should arrive into the set 3 minutes in, but if he doesn't you can bring the girls to go look for him, heating every set who witnesses you walking arm and arm with two hot chicks. he then engages your target (his obstacle) and accomplishment intros you. he can work this as a 3 set. i'm a little fuzzy on all of it : mystery's write up is better http://www.theattractionforums.com/mystery/11934-wing-rules.html | ||
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stunna01
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BHZ
Spain19 Posts
On April 10 2012 16:35 sluggaslamoo wrote: What you consider interesting may not be what others consider interesting, that's the problem. I bet when someone asks you "where do you work" you give them a straight answer ("I work at a bank in the CBD, I am a manager i do this, i do that"), and if you don't well, congratulations you are "better" than 98% of the engineering students i know. When I mean you don't, I mean something starting off like "I'm a superhero, you don't believe me? see this is why" and tie that into banking. PUA is designed around people like engineering students, who like to talk in terms of facts and straight answers and never like beating around the bush. Problem is that's only interesting to other engineering students of your field, to other people they will simply switch off. The golden rule of pickup convo is to never give a straight answer, for sciency-types this is extremely difficult. There is a stigma that sciency-types or academics like to cling on to topics that tend to be female repellent, and I think that is completely true. I'm talking about having convos with girls that would seem completely out of your league, the 9's and 10's, and maybe 8's at a bar or coffee shop or whatever, not the college science girls that are in your class where you can easily start a convo by discussing biology homework. Sure there are some people who are different, but being smart doesn't mean you are able to be very interesting. I know heaps of "dumb" people that are really fun to talk to, and really smart people that are boring. Theater and linguistics tend to lend itself well to being interesting and charismatic, neither of which are thought to be attributed to the commonly accepted notion of smart. A smart person does what works. It sucks that the strongest guy is also the smartest and also the one who makes the most money and even writes poetry better than you, if he wants. It hurts and most people don't want to see the truth. You prefer to believe in your theories but I meant exactly what I said and I talk only about what I know for sure, my own experience and what I see everyday in others' experience. No theories, no books. The most obvious signs are: -pre-judging "I bet when someone asks you..." -Generalizing "98% of the engineering students I know" (you need to know at least 50 people to a very personal level for that) -"Being interesting", "being fun to talk to" this is not only a big generalization, but actually the few guys I have known for sure that are having sex with more than two girls a week on a regular basis, are to be honest extremely simple and robotic, and have very few words. Not fun to talk to by any means. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
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Pillage
United States804 Posts
On April 22 2012 19:19 squattincassanova wrote: Went to Phoenix Arizona to sarge at Wet Electric, a 21 over adult event at a water park. I thought with my body I would be able to easily be able to pick up chicks. Little did I know, half the dudes there were roided out six pack guys / broskis. Failed miserably. All the hot girls were in their social circle group. I myself prefer to totally avoid environments like this, simply because the odds are so stacked against you for getting anything good out of the night. I'll take a chill bar any day where I can chat with the girls over some nightclub setting. | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
Summary *Why blind spots are never tought *Pitfalls students make over and over again *How to unlearn commonly accepted theories that negatively impact your game *Why advice is only good as its application *Who are the type of guys you should hang out with *Why humor is so important and where you can learn it *How to escape the first zone and how to flirt *How to learn how to flirt *The importance of critical thinking and devils advocate *Most guys aren't willing to invest in themselves *Your level of expectations have to be matched by the level of effort *The flaws of DHV *The misconception of "Alpha" *Why excessive information can cause paralysis and the paradox of choice | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
I think of trying it as a beginner thing. | ||
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Black and Proud
49 Posts
On April 22 2012 19:19 squattincassanova wrote: Went to Phoenix Arizona to sarge at Wet Electric, a 21 over adult event at a water park. I thought with my body I would be able to easily be able to pick up chicks. Little did I know, half the dudes there were roided out six pack guys / broskis. Failed miserably. All the hot girls were in their social circle group. Please stop bumping this thread whenever you have a non-field report to update on which is of absolutely no interest to anyone else. Edit: Let us know when you actually score a hot girlfriend as a result of your gaming. Post a picture of yourself and her at various boyfriend/girlfriend locations such as amusement parks and shit. That'll do more to win over all the doubters than your constant updates about how many approaches you're doing and how many clubs you've been to and boring shit like that. | ||
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