On April 23 2012 01:32 squattincassanova wrote: DJ Fuji - 21 Convention Orlando - 2011 - Ten Critical Blind Spots in Dating
Summary *Why blind spots are never tought *Pitfalls students make over and over again *How to unlearn commonly accepted theories that negatively impact your game *Why advice is only good as its application *Who are the type of guys you should hang out with *Why humor is so important and where you can learn it *How to escape the first zone and how to flirt *How to learn how to flirt *The importance of critical thinking and devils advocate *Most guys aren't willing to invest in themselves *Your level of expectations have to be matched by the level of effort *The flaws of DHV *The misconception of "Alpha" *Why excessive information can cause paralysis and the paradox of choice
Nice! Thanks for posting this. Definitely gonna check this out!
On April 22 2012 19:19 squattincassanova wrote: Went to Phoenix Arizona to sarge at Wet Electric, a 21 over adult event at a water park. I thought with my body I would be able to easily be able to pick up chicks. Little did I know, half the dudes there were roided out six pack guys / broskis. Failed miserably. All the hot girls were in their social circle group.
havent your years of pickup given you superpowers that these women cannot overcome?? damnit man, i could have gone to some water park and failed. then made some excuse that they had their own social group.
Its stories like this that sometimes make me think PUA is just some stupid moneymaking shit & DJ fuji is taking you for a ride. I'll watch that youtube thing by Fuji laters today & hopefully that will change my mind.
On April 22 2012 19:19 squattincassanova wrote: Went to Phoenix Arizona to sarge at Wet Electric, a 21 over adult event at a water park. I thought with my body I would be able to easily be able to pick up chicks. Little did I know, half the dudes there were roided out six pack guys / broskis. Failed miserably. All the hot girls were in their social circle group.
havent your years of pickup given you superpowers that these women cannot overcome?? damnit man, i could have gone to some water park and failed. then made some excuse that they had their own social group.
Its stories like this that sometimes make me think PUA is just some stupid moneymaking shit & DJ fuji is taking you for a ride. I'll watch that youtube thing by Fuji laters today & hopefully that will change my mind.
Here is the deal. People have ridiculous high expectations on results for how low they typically put in the effort. Why do you think so many people are fat? Is it because dieting and exercise don't work or is it because their effort doesn't match their expected results?
To put things in perspective. You are competing with a Natural who most likely has been comfortable with girls since middle school. On top of that 10+ years going out every weekend talking to girls. A guy who works out, has good fashion, cool friends, great social circle, and has a nice pad.
The typical guy getting into PUA, goes out maybe once or twice a month, looks like shit, and approaches like 2-3 sets a night and calls it quits after 3 months. Its like dude, are you kidding me? You are spending less time going out than a Natural spends time at the gym. Stacked on top of that, hes got 10 years of social experience on top of you, plus hes going out every single weekend. You think you can catch up 10 years of social experience within a few months without busting your ass?
I mean, realistically, do you think a girl is going to get her panties wet just because you threw an opinion opener at her? Do you think after throwing in a false time constraint and negging her that automatically she wants to jump on your cock? Its much much harder.
Guys like DJ Fuji, Tyler Durden, went out 6-7 nights a week, 20 sets a night for years straight. That's racking up 5000+ sets a year. It wasn't just verbals. They worked on everything there is to work on. Great life style, good income, great fashion, good social circle, good logistics for pulling, made friends with a ton of Naturals, made friends with all the bouncers.
Think about it this way. If a 500 pound fat guy want to have a body like Jay Cutler. And Jay Cutler is working out 3 hours a day, and the 500 pound fat guy is working out 30 minutes a day, how the hell do you think the 500 pound guy will ever catch up? He better be working out a hell of a lot harder than Jay in order to catch up.
Although i dont like this PUA bs with all those rules and methods, and to be honest i myself never had any problems around women, i may agree that you need to get out and do stuff to get better. Like anywhere else. This prism though through which it is all shown and set doesnt make it any different or 'special' about 'PU". This is no art. Just experience and being not stupid.
Now to the point - you guys should give this guy Cassanova some credit, cause he doesnt post bullshit (and has pretty amazing patience) - if he straight up messed up, he does not hide it and put sugar coat on it. He just straight up admit it. And he shares some of his experiences with everyone here pretty honestly. Funny how much patience is required to just share your experiences with women when so much trolling is around.
On April 24 2012 17:43 NightOfTheDead wrote: Although i dont like this PUA bs with all those rules and methods, and to be honest i myself never had any problems around women, i may agree that you need to get out and do stuff to get better. Like anywhere else. This prism though through which it is all shown and set doesnt make it any different or 'special' about 'PU". This is no art. Just experience and being not stupid.
Now to the point - you guys should give this guy Cassanova some credit, cause he doesnt post bullshit (and has pretty amazing patience) - if he straight up messed up, he does not hide it and put sugar coat on it. He just straight up admit it. And he shares some of his experiences with everyone here pretty honestly. Funny how much patience is required to just share your experiences with women when so much trolling is around.
He does post bullshit. It's just so much of it that it's tiresome to stay here for more than a dozen of pages and correct it.
Here is the deal. People have ridiculous high expectations on results for how low they typically put in the effort. Why do you think so many people are fat? Is it because dieting and exercise don't work or is it because their effort doesn't match their expected results?
= Bullshit. 20% of the total knowledge nets about 80% of the total possible results in almost any field out there, including pickup. Explained this in detail like 30 pages back.
To put things in perspective. You are competing with a Natural who most likely has been comfortable with girls since middle school. On top of that 10+ years going out every weekend talking to girls. A guy who works out, has good fashion, cool friends, great social circle, and has a nice pad.
= (partially) bullshit. Putting Naturals in a glorified position to make yourself feel better about not even getting close to them isn't cool. Most Naturals ARE good with women, yeah. But their methods and approaches are in most cases easily exploitable. I agree that the case he described is a pretty extreme and tough one, but for most Naturals... they're not that hard to compete with.
The typical guy getting into PUA, goes out maybe once or twice a month, looks like shit, and approaches like 2-3 sets a night and calls it quits after 3 months. Its like dude, are you kidding me? You are spending less time going out than a Natural spends time at the gym. Stacked on top of that, hes got 10 years of social experience on top of you, plus hes going out every single weekend. You think you can catch up 10 years of social experience within a few months without busting your ass?
Agree. The bullshit part is assuming those people call themselves "PUAs". Those type of people approach EVERY subject like this and won't go anywhere with that attitude. That's not who someone without that attitude should take as an example to prove how hard a certain area is.
I mean, realistically, do you think a girl is going to get her panties wet just because you threw an opinion opener at her? Do you think after throwing in a false time constraint and negging her that automatically she wants to jump on your cock? Its much much harder.
Yup. It's harder. The bullshit part is saying that it's WAY harder. I talked earlier in this thread (no idea where) about a guy who gets success every weekend by throwing his routines, which he learned by heart, at girls. He gets laid and then the girls used to dump him within a week or so because, literally, his material ran out. He improved since I last met him. Now he dumps the girls before his material runs out.
Do I recommend this to people who want to get better at this stuff? Fuck, no. Does it work? Yes. Picking up girls is not hard. Picking up quality girls isn't hard either. Where it get's hard is the top 2-3% in terms of looks, personality and status combined. Whether it's a good idea to even try and belong to that group of people is highly debatable.
Think about it this way. If a 500 pound fat guy want to have a body like Jay Cutler. And Jay Cutler is working out 3 hours a day, and the 500 pound fat guy is working out 30 minutes a day, how the hell do you think the 500 pound guy will ever catch up? He better be working out a hell of a lot harder than Jay in order to catch up.
First of all, Jay Cutler looks like crap. Second the comparison in general sucks. We're more talking average Joe who never worked out in his life into someone who put some muscles to look more buff and live healthier. Very few people actually DO want to fuck super models. They want to be able to have access to sex and relationships with girls and women whos company they enjoy and who they can be proud of.
The 500 pund guy might take 5-10 years to achieve the body of a Jay Cutler, yeah. But the average Joe who wants to look more buff will only need about a year top. That average Joe is the most common guy to come to pickup.
From my experience the amount of virgins, autists and TOTAL "social nutjobs" is way lower than you make it out to be. Most guys who come to pickup are rather normal guys who had some relationships here and there but are simply frustrated by their lack of ability when it comes to dealing with women.
On April 25 2012 04:24 r.Evo wrote: = Bullshit. 20% of the total knowledge nets about 80% of the total possible results in almost any field out there, including pickup. Explained this in detail like 30 pages back.
Knowledge does not translate to results. Knowledge without application transforms you into a keyboard jockey. While it may be true that 20% of the actual experiences leads to epiphanies and calibration tweaks, you can't not dictate when and where they will happen. For example, if its your first time getting a same night lay, you can't not in advance dictate which woman will want to sleep with you before even stepping into the club. Hence, you have go out, like everyone else, hoping those scenarios come up so that you can experience it, push those sets, and then learn from it. Most sets do lead nowhere and a lot of times you don't always learn from every set. That does not mean: "I'm just going to go out 1/5th as much as the other guy, hoping to get an overall 80% of his results". Doesn't happen that way buddy.
On April 25 2012 04:24 r.Evo wrote: = (partially) bullshit. Putting Naturals in a glorified position to make yourself feel better about not even getting close to them isn't cool. Most Naturals ARE good with women, yeah. But their methods and approaches are in most cases easily exploitable. I agree that the case he described is a pretty extreme and tough one, but for most Naturals... they're not that hard to compete with.
So you are arguing the definition and the skill of a Natural. Good job bro, that wasn't the intent of my argument. Clearly not every Natural is equally skilled. You blatantly missed the intent of my argument.
On April 25 2012 04:24 r.Evo wrote: Agree. The bullshit part is assuming those people call themselves "PUAs". Those type of people approach EVERY subject like this and won't go anywhere with that attitude. That's not who someone without that attitude should take as an example to prove how hard a certain area is.
Well since the topic is about the general populous learning this stuff, clearly the PUA term was referring to those people. Learn comprehension, don’t take quotes out of context. Who do you consider a PUA? Mystery and guru status only? LOLS
On April 25 2012 04:24 r.Evo wrote: Yup. It's harder. The bullshit part is saying that it's WAY harder. I talked earlier in this thread (no idea where) about a guy who gets success every weekend by throwing his routines, which he learned by heart, at girls. He gets laid and then the girls used to dump him within a week or so because, literally, his material ran out. He improved since I last met him. Now he dumps the girls before his material runs out.
Oh I seeeee….. its harder but adding the word "way" makes my argument completely invalid! Good job bro. And your argument was "I Know this one guy, he got results, therefore my argument is right". Failing to realize correlation vs causation, and using a sample size of ONE to make a point. "Hey guys, I know this one girl who smoked for 50 years, and she lived till 90. Therefore smoking is good for you" - your logic.
On April 25 2012 04:24 r.Evo wrote: First of all, Jay Cutler looks like crap. Second the comparison in general sucks. We're more talking average Joe who never worked out in his life into someone who put some muscles to look more buff and live healthier. Very few people actually DO want to fuck super models. They want to be able to have access to sex and relationships with girls and women whos company they enjoy and who they can be proud of.
Oh right… because your personal opinion of what Jay Cutler looks like has any relvance on a bodybuilding analogy where the obvious point was that if you want to reach or excel someone better than you, you have to work harder than he already is working.
On April 25 2012 04:24 r.Evo wrote: From my experience the amount of virgins, autists and TOTAL "social nutjobs" is way lower than you make it out to be. Most guys who come to pickup are rather normal guys who had some relationships here and there but are simply frustrated by their lack of ability when it comes to dealing with women.
Clearly you been to every single lair meeting and Pick up summit right? How many have you gone to? Lawls.
To put things in perspective. You are competing with a Natural who most likely has been comfortable with girls since middle school. On top of that 10+ years going out every weekend talking to girls. A guy who works out, has good fashion, cool friends, great social circle, and has a nice pad.
To sum that up you claim that those things make up a great Natural who is hard to compete with. That's just plain false. Naturals are lazy, they are stagnant, they are predictable. If you'd stop thinking in certain actions but start thinking in concepts you'd see why they should be at a disadvantage compared to someone who took a year or two of his time to work actively on this stuff.
Instead you tell us how good these guys are and how hard it is to battle them.
You keep claiming that this shit is so damn hard that you have to put years in and that you have to sarge over 9000 sets per year or you're gonna suck. Just not true. Especially considering that you DO have above average looks and you DO claim to have some of the best trainers in the world at your side.. something is wrong with your approach.
The point of the "I talked about this dude earlier" is something I thought is obvious. You can get laid by throwing the correct lines at the correct time at girls. You can act like a complete robot and get laid. Now, if even THOSE ROBOTS get success, that means it's much, much easier for someone with balls, brains and the will to work on himself.
As for those failure rates, you're pulling numbers out of your ass.
1) There is no correlation between success with women and Field / Lay Reports written. None. Zero. Nada. There IS however a correlation between a) trying to improve and b) satisfying your ego and Field / Lay Reports. Guess which one is more likely.
Personally I have written about... 5-10 reports in my life. ALL of which were about situations where I was stuck, despite help from my Lair and guys I'm going out with. ALL of those reports end with me NOT getting laid. They were also all written before the time period where I started considering myself successful. There is no point at all in writing a Lay Report while you're trying to improve, besides getting a pat on the back by some fellow nerds. There is a reason why the SC strat forums ask for replays in which you are losing if you're asking a question.
2) Assuming only people who take pickup serious write introduction posts and assuming if they're successful they're telling the world about it.... 1000 introduction posts vs 3000 reports is a damn good number. Congratulations on the high success rate over in that forum!
Oh, wait. It's about total users viewing that shit. Damn. Let's look at how TL works. Damn, looks similar. Wait. Any forum out there looks similar. They all have ratios between Lurker : Light Contributor : Heavy Contributor of around 90 : 9 : 1. That is completely normal.
PS: What really makes me sad is that you refuse even trying to understand how and why Pareto applies to pickup just like to any other subject out there. qq.
On April 25 2012 06:47 squattincassanova wrote: Knowledge without application transforms you into a keyboard jockey.
You've mentioned the term "keyboard jockey" several times in this thread. I don't know if you realise the irony given you are the one who probably bumps this thread the most boasting about your mediocre to lack of results. Show us some pics of you with some decent babes (not transcripts of you chatting to fat black chicks from internet dating sites) otherwise stop calling other people out when you're not actually able to score yourself.
On April 25 2012 06:47 squattincassanova wrote: Knowledge without application transforms you into a keyboard jockey.
You've mentioned the term "keyboard jockey" several times in this thread. I don't know if you realise the irony given you are the one who probably bumps this thread the most boasting about your mediocre to lack of results. Show us some pics of you with some decent babes (not transcripts of you chatting to fat black chicks from internet dating sites) otherwise stop calling other people out when you're not actually able to score yourself.
At least he's contributing to the thread. Whether or not you think he's qualified, you cannot deny that at least he's posting material and gives his input.
Personally, I find this PUA thread interesting and would be disappointed to see it die. I feel like if everyone contributed like Squattin, we'd have a good discussion going on.
On April 25 2012 06:47 squattincassanova wrote: Knowledge without application transforms you into a keyboard jockey.
You've mentioned the term "keyboard jockey" several times in this thread. I don't know if you realise the irony given you are the one who probably bumps this thread the most boasting about your mediocre to lack of results. Show us some pics of you with some decent babes (not transcripts of you chatting to fat black chicks from internet dating sites) otherwise stop calling other people out when you're not actually able to score yourself.
At least he's contributing to the thread. Whether or not you think he's qualified, you cannot deny that at least he's posting material and gives his input.
Personally, I find this PUA thread interesting and would be disappointed to see it die. I feel like if everyone contributed like Squattin, we'd have a good discussion going on.
I enjoy the discussion in this thread. I like it when the various PUAs are giving advice to new people etc. But all SC seems to do is come in here to show off like someone who thinks having a five inch dick is worth bragging about, and then when a new person asks a question instead of addressing their needs he'll just act demeaning and tell them whatever book (such as Mystery Method) they're reading is bullshit and that they just need to approach, disregarding the fact that where they are is exactly where he started as well and attacking anyone who tries to give advice based on PUA theory because it doesn't fit in with his model of 2% theory, 98% approaching.
On April 25 2012 10:31 r.Evo wrote: To sum that up you claim that those things make up a great Natural who is hard to compete with. That's just plain false. Naturals are lazy, they are stagnant, they are predictable. If you'd stop thinking in certain actions but start thinking in concepts you'd see why they should be at a disadvantage compared to someone who took a year or two of his time to work actively on this stuff.
I like how you categorize naturals like they are all the same. They are all different just like the people in a country, not the same bro. Different styles, different skill levels. When I say natural, I'm talking about a good one. A good natural will get laid more than the typical PUA whos been in the game for 2 years.
On April 25 2012 10:31 r.Evo wrote: You keep claiming that this shit is so damn hard that you have to put years in and that you have to sarge over 9000 sets per year or you're gonna suck. Just not true. Especially considering that you DO have above average looks and you DO claim to have some of the best trainers in the world at your side.. something is wrong with your approach.
The point of the "I talked about this dude earlier" is something I thought is obvious. You can get laid by throwing the correct lines at the correct time at girls. You can act like a complete robot and get laid. Now, if even THOSE ROBOTS get success, that means it's much, much easier for someone with balls, brains and the will to work on himself.
That obviously depends on a persons starting skill level doesn't it? And pickup is never about the lines themselves. Its about the delivery, its about the vibe, its about a whole lot of other factors. I could give a brand new guy ear buds and I can give him the perfect line and he would just have to repeat what I say, it still would fail. In fact, pick up instructors have tried this and it fails miserably.
On April 25 2012 10:31 r.Evo wrote: As for those failure rates, you're pulling numbers out of your ass.
1) There is no correlation between success with women and Field / Lay Reports written. None. Zero. Nada. There IS however a correlation between a) trying to improve and b) satisfying your ego and Field / Lay Reports. Guess which one is more likely.
You're talking to an Engineer who gets paid to do statistics for a living bro. No correlation? So a random person with 10 lay reports is not statistically more likely to be better than a random person with no field reports and lay reports? Bullshit. Plot X by Y fit on a graph of 1000 data points and the R2 value definitely wont be zero. Surely, you know basic high school stats don't you?
On April 25 2012 10:31 r.Evo wrote: 2) Assuming only people who take pickup serious write introduction posts and assuming if they're successful they're telling the world about it.... 1000 introduction posts vs 3000 reports is a damn good number. Congratulations on the high success rate over in that forum!
Most people make 1 introduction post. The people that write FR / LRs usually make multiple multiple posts and they are usually the same person.
On April 25 2012 10:31 r.Evo wrote: Oh, wait. It's about total users viewing that shit. Damn. Let's look at how TL works. Damn, looks similar. Wait. Any forum out there looks similar. They all have ratios between Lurker : Light Contributor : Heavy Contributor of around 90 : 9 : 1. That is completely normal.
Exactly, most people wont ever get good. Just like most people on TL won't be amazing at starcraft, at least its harder for people to be keyboard jockeys on Starcraft because its actually a fun game where as being rejected is like being killed for some people.
On April 25 2012 10:31 r.Evo wrote: PS: What really makes me sad is that you refuse even trying to understand how and why Pareto applies to pickup just like to any other subject out there. qq.
I make pareto graphs on a weekly basis. I think I know what the pareto principle is. You still didn't comprehend my earlier post. Just because 80% of the results come from 20% of the causes, does not translate to put in 20% of the effort to get 80% of the results.
Lets say hypothetically that 80% of your muscle growth is from 20% of your last sets where you push your muscles to fatigue. That may be true but that certainly does not mean lift 20% of your maximum effort or lift 20% of your reps and expect to get 80% of the results. WHY? Because those results are driven at the end.
Pickup is similar but rather than most of your experience gaining at the end of the workout or at the end of the night (which it may or may not), bursts of experience gain happens randomly and sporadically throughout the night depending on how your sets go. You can't predict which number of sets out of the 15 sets you do will go anywhere or to the point where you learn something new. THUS, you must put in the effort of going out the whole night.
Yes, its possible 20% of your growth in PU is from those specific 20% of the sets. But you cant just say, "I am just going to magically approach only those sets that will turn out the way I want" because you aren't a damn mind reader and if you were Professor X, you would be able to have any woman you want already.
I hope you're cool with me just picking out the for me interesting parts. For the rest I feel as if I'm talking to a wall which isn't exactly useful for anyone.
On April 25 2012 10:31 r.Evo wrote: As for those failure rates, you're pulling numbers out of your ass.
1) There is no correlation between success with women and Field / Lay Reports written. None. Zero. Nada. There IS however a correlation between a) trying to improve and b) satisfying your ego and Field / Lay Reports. Guess which one is more likely.
You're talking to an Engineer who gets paid to do statistics for a living bro. No correlation? So a random person with 10 lay reports is not statistically more likely to be better than a random person with no field reports and lay reports? Bullshit. Plot X by Y fit on a graph of 1000 data points and the R2 value definitely wont be zero. Surely, you know basic high school stats don't you?
-A person who has written 10 lay reports is more likely to be better at picking up women than a person without a lay report.
I completely agree with that part. Here's the deal: Who is going to write those 10 lay reports? You are claiming that taking all registered users divided through the amount of lay/field reports results in a number which describes how many people fail at doing pickup which then describes how hard it is to become better at it.
The main flaw in your reasoning is that you set "registers at a pickup site" equivalent with "tries to learn pickup".
#Some people have success and don't post about it. #Some people register and that's all they do. #Some people register, read stuff, try it out and feel that it's not for them. Does that mean they "failed" at becoming better with women? We will never know. #And, the biggest one, there is plain and simple not a reason to post, (Almost) all the information is out there. The last times I felt I really NEEDED to post in a pickup forum for my personal gain was to ask questions like "How do you screen if a girl is bisexual in a classy environment?" - that was actually a question I couldn't find a thread for that didn't already exist.
On April 25 2012 10:31 r.Evo wrote: Oh, wait. It's about total users viewing that shit. Damn. Let's look at how TL works. Damn, looks similar. Wait. Any forum out there looks similar. They all have ratios between Lurker : Light Contributor : Heavy Contributor of around 90 : 9 : 1. That is completely normal.
Exactly, most people wont ever get good. Just like most people on TL won't be amazing at starcraft, at least its harder for people to be keyboard jockeys on Starcraft because its actually a fun game where as being rejected is like being killed for some people.
!&%@ - why u no read my posts? All I did was point out the distribution of content among a forums user base. That statement does NOT include any thought as to who in that distribution is better than others. Last time I checked the best foreign progamers in general lead neither in post count nor in the number of strat guides they wrote. The Lurker:Contributor ratio says nothing about who improves and who doesn't. It just negates the argument that the majority who, even successfully, absorbs content is going to post about it.
On April 25 2012 10:31 r.Evo wrote: PS: What really makes me sad is that you refuse even trying to understand how and why Pareto applies to pickup just like to any other subject out there. qq.
I make pareto graphs on a weekly basis. I think I know what the pareto principle is. You still didn't comprehend my earlier post. Just because 80% of the results come from 20% of the causes, does not translate to put in 20% of the effort to get 80% of the results.
Lets say hypothetically that 80% of your muscle growth is from 20% of your last sets where you push your muscles to fatigue. That may be true but that certainly does not mean lift 20% of your maximum effort or lift 20% of your reps and expect to get 80% of the results. WHY? Because those results are driven at the end.
Pickup is similar but rather than most of your experience gaining at the end of the workout or at the end of the night (which it may or may not), bursts of experience gain happens randomly and sporadically throughout the night depending on how your sets go. You can't predict which number of sets out of the 15 sets you do will go anywhere or to the point where you learn something new. THUS, you must put in the effort of going out the whole night.
Yes, its possible 20% of your growth in PU is from those specific 20% of the sets. But you cant just say, "I am just going to magically approach only those sets that will turn out the way I want" because you aren't a damn mind reader and if you were Professor X, you would be able to have any woman you want already.
Its a pretty simple concept.
Wait what. Your muscle growth example shows that you DON'T understand it.
A correct application would be this. Let's assume you want to increase your total muscular mass in the most efficient way possible. 80% of your total muscle growth (effect) comes from 20% of your workout routine (cause). Now you'd have to identify which of your routines have the most impact, kick the others out and now your new routine will net more muscular growth than the previous one.
Your example has not much to do with the application than having the numbers 80 and 20 in it. In your case the result of the routine is caused by the last 20% of the routine. That causation is related to the time invested per session. That has nothing to do with why I'm dragging the thing into this discussion. Maybe I didn't formulate it clearly.
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1)You invest much more time into pickup than most people who try to become better at it. 2)You gain worse results than most of those considering the total time put in. 3)Based on what I know about your job situation and your looks (two very big factors in the beginning), you are above the average of the people I'm comparing you to.
Those three combined can mean the following things: a) You're retarded, have certain psychological problems like autism or other things which make you start of way worse than anyone else. I don't think this is true. b) You either are mixing up threads or you suddenly quote out of chess books and math literature when talking to girls. Since this kinda goes back to a), I don't think this is true either. c) You spend too much of your time dealing with the wrong type of stuff. THIS is the point where I bring Pareto into the equation. For some reason (most likely either unresolved issues with your ex/your heritage or retarded coaches) you manage to invest time and energy into the things about pickup which net the least results.
The problem is that becoming aware of that would mean that you'd have to be able to objectively find out what of the stuff you did in the past 2 years actually improved what you wanted to improve in a for you personally efficient way.
What I think makes this harder for you than for most people, hell, probably even much, much harder (=P) is that you love fighting uphill. You love thinking and feeling that you have a disadvantage. You even put yourself into situations where you are at a disadvantage without any benefit for yourself, just for being at said disadvantage.
Some examples:
-Your heritage. Countless times you stated that you think you're at a disadvantage because you're Asian. -You being a former keyboard jockey for years. Countless times you stated that you only consumed theory and that it was VERY HARD to break out. -The plain fact that you're consistently posting in this thread and on TL, through bans and accounts, through people who take dumps on you on a daily basis, through people who troll the fuck out of you and laugh about you. -Most of your reasonings why something didn't work out was because of tough circumstances in some kind of way. Be it loud music, naturals or whatever. -Let me guess, everything you have achieved in your life was very, very hard to obtain, right?
If there is one single thing that I'm asking you to think about in all the posts I made arguing, fighting, agreeing with and (mostly actually meant in a friendly way) trolling you, it is this: Do you think you enjoy feeling disadvantaged and if so, why?
You are purposely putting yourself into situations with horrible odds on a consistent basis. You have a very narrow view when it comes to seeing tools as just that - tools (remember when you were arguing that "DHV stories are bad in general" a few pages back? A statement like that won't hold up. And you fucking know it.).
Now, I don't know where that comes from and, from a personal point of view, it makes you quite interesting since I don't really understand it. What I do know however is that some basic principles apply to you just like they apply to everyone else.
People want to feel good. They try to relive situations which trigger good memories and try to avoid situations which trigger bad memories. From earlier, there is no rational explanation as to WHY you even put yourself into that situation with the sick beach-boy-naturals. Now don't tell me that you did that to "Push your boundaries" or to "Improve yourself under hard conditions" - you can bring that argument when you are able to show constant solid success under EASY conditions. Before that it's just putting yourself into a situation which will most likely end with a bad result and a negative experience.
For some reason you seem to enjoy getting these negative experiences. For some reason they make you feel good. - Now, why that is the case I could speculate but I don't know enough of your history to be precise. In fact, I think it doesn't even matter where it's from. What does matter is that you can't really find a convincing way to deny 1)-3) above (don't give me that "I had a rough start"-bullshit again. Yes, I'm aware that some people are off worse than others. For you it's either something incredibly extreme (if you just thought "yes" - here is your love for disadvantage again), or it's an excuse to not deal with accepting the truth.) and that should give you something to think about how you approach the entire thing. - And why your approach is most likely one of the worst possible ones.
/wall of text end. Sigh. Can't help myself but to keep feeling compassionate about how much fucking time you invest and how little you gain for it. sry. ;/ - Oh, and to keep being pissed that you keep trying to tell people that what you do (in terms of invested time) is what EVERYONE has to do if he wants to become better.
On April 25 2012 22:54 Elegance wrote: wow this thread has gone downhill
Tell me about it... I try to make it as interesting as possible. I dunno how on earth some people can write a 2 page keyboard jockey essay about my opinion of a simple concept that pickup is harder than it seems and that most people don't put in enough effort.
Most of the PUA coaches are on FB. Its actually quite a small community. You can add them. Some use it as marketing pitch, some people put funny updates, and sometimes they talk make fun of other coaches. Its real quick to find out whos legit and whos not.
Sigh. So we're back at the point where you're claiming that the ability to evaluate theories correctly means that I'm not aware of how it works in practice.
I'm going to make this very simple, specially for you: If you're able to keep posting in this thread without making excuses for failure I'll shut up in this regard.
If you aren't able to do that it showcases that what you do here has nothing to do with improving at pickup or helping others to improve themselves, but it's only about getting pats on the back to boost your crippled ego.
If the ability to talk without making up excuses is somehow below your level, I'll have to go back to pointing out those cases. I'm absolutely fine with you being frustrated about how things work and I'm absolutely fine with you not wanting to know about it. I'm not fine with you projecting that frustration onto others.
On April 26 2012 05:32 r.Evo wrote: Sigh. So we're back at the point where you're claiming that the ability to evaluate theories correctly means that I'm not aware of how it works in practice.
I'm going to make this very simple, specially for you: If you're able to keep posting in this thread without making excuses for failure I'll shut up in this regard.
If you aren't able to do that it showcases that what you do here has nothing to do with improving at pickup or helping others to improve themselves, but it's only about getting pats on the back to boost your crippled ego.
If the ability to talk without making up excuses is somehow below your level, I'll have to go back to pointing out those cases. I'm absolutely fine with you being frustrated about how things work and I'm absolutely fine with you not wanting to know about it. I'm not fine with you projecting that frustration onto others.
I honestly have no Idea why you're so mad at him. I also have no idea why you're relentlessly attacking him either as he's made some great contributions to the thread. Sure he makes mistakes, he's only human and Pick-Up is a very fickle game, and he's explaining why he failed. And you've been at his throat over it for the last few pages. Chill out.
You probably aren't fully aware of the history in this thread, sorry for that. I consider myself as someone who is a huge nerd and who, while maintining that awesome nerdiness, learned how to get better with women. It's a personal fetish of mine that I can't help myself but keep trying to help other guys with a similar background to improve with this type of thing.
Most people who visit a thread like this (especially on a gaming forum) have no idea what this really is about and have most likely bad or uncorrect assumptions about it. As long as I can remember squattin posting in this thread, he keeps, despite having a horrible time-he-puts-in-to-success-he-gets ratio, posting very clear advice as to how things work with women.
I don't want someone to come into this thread and read things like this:
DHV stories don't usually work well in general. 1. If they are true, it sounds like you are cocky and arrogant. Lets say you had a Lambo and you kept talking about how awesome your car is, you sound like a douche bag. Lets say you're a doctor and you keep talking about how smart you are, you sound the same way. Lets say you have a great body (such as me) and you talk about it, guess what? Girls think you are a self absorbed asshole. I tried trolling like ZYZZ from bodybuilding.com and I failed miserably in terms of pickup.
2. If you are making shit up, she will probably tell that you are full of shit and that you aren't congruent.
You shouldn't be telling long winded stories in the beginning. It should be more about teasing push/pull at the start.
That post shows a complete misunderstanding of a very basic principle in pickup. He does neither understand what a solid DHV story is for, when it is used and what it accomplishes in certain situations. That's why he claims that they don't work very well in general.
Or this one:
On April 22 2012 19:19 squattincassanova wrote: Went to Phoenix Arizona to sarge at Wet Electric, a 21 over adult event at a water park. I thought with my body I would be able to easily be able to pick up chicks. Little did I know, half the dudes there were roided out six pack guys / broskis. Failed miserably. All the hot girls were in their social circle group.
All he says here is that the REASON he failed was because "half the dudes were roided out six pack guys" and "all the hot girls were in their social circle group". All that post does is tell people how hard it is for him picking up girls to feel better. If he REALLY wanted to contribute to the thread he'd state that he failed miserably, say that he has no idea how to sarge in that environment and then ask if someone has ideas for that situation that would work better.
The result would be people asking what he did exactly and maybe someone steps up and can say "oh, what worked for me there was xyz, try that" - that is what fuels a constructive discussion.
As someone who has been the awkward nerdy dude who only got a girlfriend when a girl thought I was cute for a week or two and as someone who overcame the challenges on the way and also enjoys to see others succeed in getting an improved lifestyle I can't look at posts like that and shut up. If everyone who has a clue about this stuff simply shuts up (usually most people, including myself, get tired after a couple of pages since he just keeps spewing and spewing that bullshit), people will assume posts like the above convey what works. They don't.
Its unfortunate in the PU community, sometimes its hard telling whos good and whos not based on their thread posts. Its funny how many virgins post on PUA forums teaching other people what to do.
Me and my wing were talking about this the other day and we were laughing at how you meet some of these guys in real life and you are just blown away at how terrible they are. Especially when you go to pick up events and you finally are able to put the face to the forum handles and you are just mind blown. Its like PUAMaster123, this is you in real life!?!
On April 26 2012 06:15 r.Evo wrote: You probably aren't fully aware of the history in this thread, sorry for that. I consider myself as someone who is a huge nerd and who, while maintining that awesome nerdiness, learned how to get better with women. It's a personal fetish of mine that I can't help myself but keep trying to help other guys with a similar background to improve with this type of thing.
Most people who visit a thread like this (especially on a gaming forum) have no idea what this really is about and have most likely bad or uncorrect assumptions about it. As long as I can remember squattin posting in this thread, he keeps, despite having a horrible time-he-puts-in-to-success-he-gets ratio, posting very clear advice as to how things work with women.
I don't want someone to come into this thread and read things like this:
DHV stories don't usually work well in general. 1. If they are true, it sounds like you are cocky and arrogant. Lets say you had a Lambo and you kept talking about how awesome your car is, you sound like a douche bag. Lets say you're a doctor and you keep talking about how smart you are, you sound the same way. Lets say you have a great body (such as me) and you talk about it, guess what? Girls think you are a self absorbed asshole. I tried trolling like ZYZZ from bodybuilding.com and I failed miserably in terms of pickup.
2. If you are making shit up, she will probably tell that you are full of shit and that you aren't congruent.
You shouldn't be telling long winded stories in the beginning. It should be more about teasing push/pull at the start.
That post shows a complete misunderstanding of a very basic principle in pickup. He does neither understand what a solid DHV story is for, when it is used and what it accomplishes in certain situations. That's why he claims that they don't work very well in general.
On April 22 2012 19:19 squattincassanova wrote: Went to Phoenix Arizona to sarge at Wet Electric, a 21 over adult event at a water park. I thought with my body I would be able to easily be able to pick up chicks. Little did I know, half the dudes there were roided out six pack guys / broskis. Failed miserably. All the hot girls were in their social circle group.
All he says here is that the REASON he failed was because "half the dudes were roided out six pack guys" and "all the hot girls were in their social circle group". All that post does is tell people how hard it is for him picking up girls to feel better. If he REALLY wanted to contribute to the thread he'd state that he failed miserably, say that he has no idea how to sarge in that environment and then ask if someone has ideas for that situation that would work better.
The result would be people asking what he did exactly and maybe someone steps up and can say "oh, what worked for me there was xyz, try that" - that is what fuels a constructive discussion.
As someone who has been the awkward nerdy dude who only got a girlfriend when a girl thought I was cute for a week or two and as someone who overcame the challenges on the way and also enjoys to see others succeed in getting an improved lifestyle I can't look at posts like that and shut up. If everyone who has a clue about this stuff simply shuts up (usually most people, including myself, get tired after a couple of pages since he just keeps spewing and spewing that bullshit), people will assume posts like the above convey what works. They don't.
Maybe it's a bit clearer now. <3
I still do not like your aggression toward him and his methods for seducing the girls. The fact is that there is no concrete formula for obtaining women 100% of the time, and it become progressively more difficult to bag the hotties as they reach that 8-10 region, as the competition becomes much more fierce, and I all the time I've lurked the thread I've never seen Squattin Claim there is such a method.
From what I gather in your post, you have a girlfriend and are happy with yourself. Good for you. No, seriously, no sarcasm intended, good for you. However what I don't think you realize that other people have different goals other than having a female companion for a long time.
To step back for a bit, look at the thread you're posting in. It's called the PUA community, not the get a girlfriend thread. The premise is to go out and get girls for very short-term relationships, not to land one girl who you may very well end up marrying later. If some of the people who lurk here do want girlfriends, then they need to read carefully and determine what actions give off a player vibe, and what actions give off a sincere vibe that girls look for in potential boyfriends. Otherwise this thread is about bedding chicks in a quick and efficient manner, to cut out all of roundabout stuff in between.
You've presented me with two posts of his where he's stating his opinion on the subject, and yet you seem to lash out when he does a "poor job" of explaining things. There's really no need for this, because the seduction game is so dependent on so many variables. I also happen to agree with him on his analysis of DHV in that instance, as coming off as a braggart doesn't do you much good I've found. He's pointing out that the overt DHV works poorly while subtle DHV works much better. That was the point of that post. Perhaps he didn't elaborate on it enough, but I thought it was pretty obvious what he was pointing out.
In the other post where he said he had gone to the nightclub, and didn't score, he was pointing out reasons why the deck was stacked heavily against him from the start. Why are you flaming him for this? I'm sure Squattin knows how to handle himself around the girls as I've seen from many of his posts that he knows what he's doing even if he has trouble articulating it sometimes. You are still getting way too wound up over this IMO, so the guy failed and doesn't want to talk about him fucking up? So what, let him reflect on what happened, we can draw our own conclusions of what we think lead to his failure in this instance. Just because he has had one bad night on his record doesn't mean all of his advice is bad. I personally think you don't like the methods he employs to get what he wants, and you attack him for it. Different things work for different people, and you shouldn't flame someone for that in a scenario as harmless as chasing women.
To wrap things up, I never remember squattin saying that you have to abandon who you are to get women to like you. Which seems to be one of your main concerns. Sure there are some things that universally help, like being in good shape, and dressing nicely. But other than that I've never seen anyone say you have to be a guido douche, you can't play video games, you can't go to Dreamhack, or anything like that to get the girls. You can retain the things you like to do and still be successful with women, it's more of a matter of attitude than anything, and whatever attitude you pick depends on your goals.
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