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Some of you guys need to check yourselves, you're seriously detached from reality. Do you actually believe telling a good story is going to get you laid, and beyond that keep a woman interested in you for more than 25 minutes?
Unreal...
Just think about it... do you think a woman wants a guy who makes up stories to impress her and others? Would you look for that in a woman?
While I don't entirely agree with Squat on his whole philosophy (I think he's driving his head through a wall most of the time) at least he recognises becoming attractive takes some work. You all know what it takes. Cut the junk food, get your ass out on the track or to the gym, get a new wardrobe, actually do stuff aside from the video games and internet poor. Then you might actually have something to talk about and won't have to sit here and argue about the merits of (non existant) shortcuts to getting in a girls pants. If it's that urgent that you don't want to invest some time in yourself, just buy bottles, or better yet, tables, and if that doesn't work just pay an escort. Those will all be way more effective than telling stories about saving grannies from being run over by their own motorised wheelchair.
I kinda feel I should elaborate further on this because of all the ignorance posted above, but I can't be arsed. Already the mindset that you need to impress women to get her to hang with you is totally off and counterproductive.
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On April 27 2012 02:55 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Some of you guys need to check yourselves, you're seriously detached from reality. Do you actually believe telling a good story is going to get you laid, and beyond that keep a woman interested in you for more than 25 minutes?
Unreal...
Just think about it... do you think a woman wants a guy who makes up stories to impress her and others? Would you look for that in a woman?
While I don't entirely agree with Squat on his whole philosophy (I think he's driving his head through a wall most of the time with his hard work ethic, but then again Squat, I'm not you, I don't know where you started out) at least you recognise becoming attractive takes some work on yourself. You all know what it takes. Cut the junk food, get your ass out on the track or to the gym, get a new wardrobe, actually do stuff aside from the video games and internet porn. Then you might actually have something to talk about and won't have to sit here and argue about the merits of (non existant) shortcuts to getting in a girls pants. There are none. There's just am I a totally rad or am i just another dork who's afraid of girls. If it's that urgent that you don't want to or can't invest some time in yourself, just buy bottles, or better yet, tables, and if that doesn't work just pay an escort. Those will all be way more effective than telling stories about saving grannies from being run over by their own motorised wheelchair.
I kinda feel I should elaborate further on this because of all the ignorance posted above, but I can't be arsed. Already the mindset that you need to impress women to get her to hang with you is totally off and counterproductive.
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I pretty much agree entirely, but that's why I don't understand why anyone could argue that DHV stories are bad when in fact they should be arguing that reaction seeking is bad. And yes it would be nice if everyone who is learning game didn't have to worry about micro managing value, that is the end goal of pickup in my opinion, but you have to have a perception of what your value is when you do certain things. That is why you approach set after set after set, to make all of these high value indicators (good body language, good tone, good delivery, timings of jokes, humour etc.) completely natural.
The thing with saying don't micromanage value is that anyone who needs to know that piece of advice should still be trying to consciously project value, and anyone who doesn't need to project value consciously any more (they are a natural, they don't need routines, tips on body language etc.) already knows what they are doing and the advice is worthless.
What I think would be better advice is "try and get to the point where you don't need to micromanage value anymore." Saying "don't micromanage value" is as bad as saying "be confident" or "just make her laugh", you need a high level of skill and lots of practice to do these things and by that point the advice is worthless.
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On April 27 2012 02:55 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Some of you guys need to check yourselves, you're seriously detached from reality. Do you actually believe telling a good story is going to get you laid, and beyond that keep a woman interested in you for more than 25 minutes?
Unreal...
Just think about it... do you think a woman wants a guy who makes up stories to impress her and others? Would you look for that in a woman?
While I don't entirely agree with Squat on his whole philosophy (I think he's driving his head through a wall most of the time) at least he recognises becoming attractive takes some work. You all know what it takes. Cut the junk food, get your ass out on the track or to the gym, get a new wardrobe, actually do stuff aside from the video games and internet poor. Then you might actually have something to talk about and won't have to sit here and argue about the merits of (non existant) shortcuts to getting in a girls pants. If it's that urgent that you don't want to invest some time in yourself, just buy bottles, or better yet, tables, and if that doesn't work just pay an escort. Those will all be way more effective than telling stories about saving grannies from being run over by their own motorised wheelchair.
I kinda feel I should elaborate further on this because of all the ignorance posted above, but I can't be arsed. Already the mindset that you need to impress women to get her to hang with you is totally off and counterproductive.
Most people in this thread are looking for permanent, long term changes to themselves in order to increase their attractiveness. There is so much good pickup material out there about improving yourself in many many ways (many advocate picking up hobbies, not spending all your time trying to pickup girls, going to the gym, learning about men's fashion and self expression through fashion, having diverse interests and BEING HAPPY) in order to become successful with women, which includes improving the way you interact with women.
There are people looking for shortcuts to sleeping with women, but it is you who is ignorant if you assume that most of the people here believe telling a good story will get you laid.
Edit: Also please do elaborate further on the ignorance you've seen, I feel once you know more about pickup you will see that it is a very positive thing in most cases and that there are lots of people in this thread that can educate you about it.
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DHV means demonstration of higher value.
If a story doesn't display higher value it is no demonstration-of-higher-value-story. Any element or story that demonstrates higher value is a DHV element or story.
Nothing there to discuss squattin, you're trying to fuck over very basic definitions so that you can keep up that little world view of yours. If you would admit that the above definition is absolutely and 100% correct, you would have to admit that you use those elements and stories yourself. All the time. Everyone does. It is natural to do so.
If you would have to admit that you use those elements all the time, you would think of yourself as a sorry ass loser who doesn't respect himself since that is what DJ Fuji said what people who use DHV stories are.
PS: If you tell a girl that you drive an awesome lambo it is not just "A bad DHV story", it's a DLV story. Because... wait for it... is a demonstration of lower value.
PPS: Since I just finally understood what squattin means with "Micromanaging value is bad" and claiming that "Naturals don't do that", I have to add for the general reader that this statement is also bullshit. First of all google gives a good impression of how popular that concept is. Second of all he means that you manage your value specifically to a certain situation or person. Once more, everyone does that. It's natural to do so. It's called calibration.
If you talk differently to your colleagues compared to how you talk to your friends or a homeless person on the street, you most likely show each of those persons a different amount of DHV/DLV elements. This is normal behaviour since it establishes our role in society and allows us to adjust our perceived value to an appropriate level.
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I'm glad you use Google to win arguments in the discussion involving talking to girls rather than actually talking to girls. Good job bro. Its all too common too see newbies as being dogmatic in pickup, think one way is always right when in fact pickup is multi dimensional and if you actually went out, you would see exceptions to the rules and how it all fits together. I doubt you are successful with women because 1. you spent more time writing 20 page essays on TL than actually talking to girls. 2. You have no in field footage showing your competency. You also sound very reactive bro. I can see you failing shit tests left and right.
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On April 27 2012 07:38 squattincassanova wrote:
I'm glad you use Google to win arguments in the discussion involving talking to girls rather than actually talking to girls. Good job bro. Its all too common too see newbies as being dogmatic in pickup, think one way is always right when in fact pickup is multi dimensional and if you actually went out, you would see exceptions to the rules and how it all fits together. I doubt you are successful with women because 1. you spent more time writing 20 page essays on TL than actually talking to girls. 2. You have no in field footage showing your competency. You also sound very reactive bro. I can see you failing shit tests left and right.
don't say hes probably bad with women cause he wrote a lot on tl, you spend like everyday posting tons of shit on here,
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On April 27 2012 07:38 squattincassanova wrote:
I'm glad you use Google to win arguments in the discussion involving talking to girls rather than actually talking to girls. Good job bro. Its all too common too see newbies as being dogmatic in pickup, think one way is always right when in fact pickup is multi dimensional and if you actually went out, you would see exceptions to the rules and how it all fits together. I doubt you are successful with women because 1. you spent more time writing 20 page essays on TL than actually talking to girls. 2. You have no in field footage showing your competency. You also sound very reactive bro. I can see you failing shit tests left and right.
Are you seriously starting to insult me for putting effort into my posts and TL in general? That's a new low, even for you.
Besides that, last time I checked using google was one of the easiest way to prove stupidity when it boils down to simple facts and definitions.
You make a stupid statement -> I call you out on it -> You defend it -> I present the data to back up my point -> You call me a keyboard jockey. Not sure what in your brain tells you that that makes your statements any more true.
I'm able to back up each and every single claim I'm making when it comes to how picking up girls works with clear and logical arguments. You can't. You result back to personal insults whenever you feel pressed into a corner. I guess that's what people do who are superior when it comes to explaining a certain subject to other people.
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Only on TL can argument happen in a thread about picking up women based on build orders.
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On April 27 2012 08:08 Ace wrote:
Only on TL can argument happen in a thread about picking up women based on build orders.
Actually the applications of concepts that are suggested for most beginners are pretty damn close to build orders. Fuck it, they ARE build orders.
Goal should obviously be to turn that into thinking in terms of general strategy or tactics later on and finally into mostly unconscious behavior. So, yeah. If you look at the underlying principle of trying to become better at it it's the same like any other task, whether it's starcraft or learning martial arts.
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On April 27 2012 08:04 r.Evo wrote:
I'm able to back up each and every single claim I'm making when it comes to how picking up girls works with clear and logical arguments. You can't.
How about demonstrate your competency and knowledge in picking up girls by picking up girls?
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On April 27 2012 08:58 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 08:04 r.Evo wrote:
I'm able to back up each and every single claim I'm making when it comes to how picking up girls works with clear and logical arguments. You can't. How about demonstrate your competency and knowledge in picking up girls by picking up girls?
I'm sure he picks up girls quite fine. Women in Europe are nowhere near as prudish as in the US lol.
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On April 27 2012 09:10 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 08:58 squattincassanova wrote:On April 27 2012 08:04 r.Evo wrote:
I'm able to back up each and every single claim I'm making when it comes to how picking up girls works with clear and logical arguments. You can't. How about demonstrate your competency and knowledge in picking up girls by picking up girls? I'm sure he picks up girls quite fine. Women in Europe are nowhere near as prudish as in the US lol.
There are slutty women everywhere. I used to think all girls cared about condom usage and were adamantly against pregnancy and STD risk. NOPE! Pretty much no girl has ever rejected being raw dogged. And also if you go on PlentyofFish, I swear half the girls on there are single moms looking for dick.
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On April 27 2012 08:58 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 08:04 r.Evo wrote:
I'm able to back up each and every single claim I'm making when it comes to how picking up girls works with clear and logical arguments. You can't. How about demonstrate your competency and knowledge in picking up girls by picking up girls?
I don't see the point of buying a videocam, finding a way to hide it when doing my usual business during the day and then filming any interaction I have with females just to make your arguments look stupid when plain and simple facts which are easy to follow and reproduce for everyone can do that as well.
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On April 27 2012 08:08 Ace wrote:
Only on TL can argument happen in a thread about picking up women based on build orders.
Seriously. You never see any of this crap on actual pick-up forums, because the noobs are outnumbered and quickly put in their place. Unfortunately, here on TL we have an incredibly low signal-to-noise ratio due to the high percentage of noobs, so it's pretty much a shit show.
This thread has essentially devolved into Diamond and Platinum league players arguing over bad builds and basic strategy, while the Masters players (and there's no GM players here) have more or less given up trying to salvage the thread.
Personally, I think most of squattin's posts and the resulting arguments need to be moved to his blog thread, leaving this thread clear for real discussions and questions. I don't suppose any mods would be willing to undertake this task? Pretty please? :D
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On April 27 2012 09:15 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 09:10 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 27 2012 08:58 squattincassanova wrote:On April 27 2012 08:04 r.Evo wrote:
I'm able to back up each and every single claim I'm making when it comes to how picking up girls works with clear and logical arguments. You can't. How about demonstrate your competency and knowledge in picking up girls by picking up girls? I'm sure he picks up girls quite fine. Women in Europe are nowhere near as prudish as in the US lol. There are slutty women everywhere. I used to think all girls cared about condom usage and were adamantly against pregnancy and STD risk. NOPE! Pretty much no girl has ever rejected being raw dogged. And also if you go on PlentyofFish, I swear half the girls on there are single moms looking for dick.
hahahahahahahahaha wtf that site still exists? Wow
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On April 27 2012 09:28 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 08:08 Ace wrote:
Only on TL can argument happen in a thread about picking up women based on build orders. Seriously. You never see any of this crap on actual pick-up forums, because the noobs are outnumbered and quickly put in their place. Unfortunately, here on TL we have an incredibly low signal-to-noise ratio due to the high percentage of noobs, so it's pretty much a shit show. This thread has essentially devolved into Diamond and Platinum league players arguing over bad builds and basic strategy, while the Masters players (and there's no GM players here) have more or less given up trying to salvage the thread. Personally, I think most of squattin's posts and the resulting arguments need to be moved to his blog thread, leaving this thread clear for real discussions and questions. I don't suppose any mods would be willing to undertake this task? Pretty please? :D
Welp. I just wrote someone in a PM that I'm thinking about dragging all of my input into blogs since it's almost impossible to actually help people in this thread when I'm busy arguing that 1+1=2 and not 5 while squattin is busy arguing that I should make a video of me standing in front of a class where I PROVE that 1+1=2 because otherwise it can't be true. Dno, I usually hop in here every 30 pages, hope something has changed, get stuck arguing basic math, realize nothing changed and move along again.
In an ideal world this thread would be full of nerds who present specific spots where they're stuck with becoming better with women and other nerds who managed to find solutions for those spots. That would be productive and much more helpful for anyone.
Actually now that I think of it that's not in the OP and therefor not even the topic of the thread. Welp. Bad evo, bad.
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On April 27 2012 09:37 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 09:28 sunprince wrote:On April 27 2012 08:08 Ace wrote:
Only on TL can argument happen in a thread about picking up women based on build orders. Seriously. You never see any of this crap on actual pick-up forums, because the noobs are outnumbered and quickly put in their place. Unfortunately, here on TL we have an incredibly low signal-to-noise ratio due to the high percentage of noobs, so it's pretty much a shit show. This thread has essentially devolved into Diamond and Platinum league players arguing over bad builds and basic strategy, while the Masters players (and there's no GM players here) have more or less given up trying to salvage the thread. Personally, I think most of squattin's posts and the resulting arguments need to be moved to his blog thread, leaving this thread clear for real discussions and questions. I don't suppose any mods would be willing to undertake this task? Pretty please? :D Welp. I just wrote someone in a PM that I'm thinking about dragging all of my input into blogs since it's almost impossible to actually help people in this thread when I'm busy arguing that 1+1=2 and not 5 while squattin is busy arguing that I should make a video of me standing in front of a class where I PROVE that 1+1=2 because otherwise it can't be true. Dno, I usually hop in here every 30 pages, hope something has changed, get stuck arguing basic math, realize nothing changed and move along again.
Consider not engaging at all. Hopefully a mod will hear my plea and intervene, but if not, then we may just have to ignore the 1+1=5 posts entirely and freely use our report buttons ("post is off-topic and belong in blogs", etc) until the thread cleans up. TL;DR: don't feed the trolls.
On April 27 2012 09:37 r.Evo wrote:
In an ideal world this thread would be full of nerds who present specific spots where they're stuck with becoming better with women and other nerds who managed to find solutions for those spots. That would be productive and much more helpful for anyone.
Indeed. Hopefully, we can get back to that at some point.
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On April 27 2012 09:28 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 08:08 Ace wrote:
Only on TL can argument happen in a thread about picking up women based on build orders. Seriously. You never see any of this crap on actual pick-up forums, because the noobs are outnumbered and quickly put in their place.
Which pickup forums do you read? Newbs/keyboard jockeys run rampant on the forums.
rsdnation.com
venutianarts.com
casanocacrew.com
simplepickup.com
attractionforums.com
All the same.
Want to know why? When guys get good, they leave the forums unless they have a reason to stay, such as they are in the pickup industry. Most of the posts are the same questions over and over again and the moderators (most of them suck themselves) are tired of responding. You would think PUA moderators on PUA sites are good, some of these guys have a lay count of 2 - 3 total in their lives. Some of these guys are just the webmasters and keyboard jockeys themselves! Just because you own the website, doesn't make you good with pickup. I am telling you from first hand experience how many people are full of shit. Been to PUA summit 2010, PUA summit 2011, Casanovafest 2011, Casanovafest 2012, a whole buncha other GURU lair meetings, Seattle Christmas Lair meeting 2011. I'm telling you dude, you see these guys post like they know their shit, and you meet them in real life with full disappointment.
I went sarging in Seattle and so I started posting on the Seattle forums. A handful of the moderators there are creepy as fuck (not going to list names). One dude goes on Craigslist and tries to pay hookers. Trust me, moderator status doesnt mean anything. Post don't mean anything. The only way you can really tell if someone is legit is by hanging out with them in real life in the club. No other way around it.
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On April 27 2012 09:54 squattincassanova wrote:
Which pickup forums do you read? Newbs/keyboard jockeys run rampant on the forums.
mASF was the best back in the day, before it died out.
rsdnation isn't actually bad; the site has become a bit too popular nowadays, but the authors still know what they're talking about and smack down the noobs when needed (e.g. like TL after SC2 brought in tons of new blood).
On April 27 2012 09:54 squattincassanova wrote:
Want to know why? When guys get good, they leave the forums unless they have a reason to stay, such as they are in the pickup industry.
I don't entirely disagree, though I would point out that some of us like to drop in now and then to share some knowledge for the same reason that people like Jinro still occasionally post here on TL.
On April 27 2012 09:54 squattincassanova wrote:
Most of the posts are the same questions over and over again and the moderators (most of them suck themselves) are tired of responding. You would think PUA moderators on PUA sites are good, some of these guys have a lay count of 2 - 3 total in their lives.
Not all the mods here on TL are pro or semi-pro players. That doesn't change the fact TL is the premier Starcraft site or that you can learn a lot here.
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