EG launch $10,000 Master's Cup Series League - Page 48

On May 03 2011 08:35 Aristodemus wrote:
I imagine EG will use Idra and Demuslim for their 2v2 team considering (in my opinion) they are EG's best two players and have been playing some 2v2 on ladder also.

On May 03 2011 23:52 DrunkenTemplar wrote:


Witty, but a fail analogy. Brazil doesn't get to determine the rules, FIFA does. In this tournament, EG ultimately makes the decision on the rules, it's their tournament.

On May 04 2011 00:32 hakhu wrote:


It's still a global tournament (inviting teams with players from 4 continents should be enough to count as global) with rules clearly favoring NA players.

On May 04 2011 00:29 Bobster wrote:
No, Axslav and Strifecro are EG's 2v2 team, I think.

On May 04 2011 01:41 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Good decision forcing EU teams to play on NA, too, since that's where the toughest competition will be.

On May 04 2011 00:23 Vetrocide wrote:


MC played from denmark when he got knocked out of TSL, lag had nothing to do with his results

I get your point, though

On May 04 2011 03:54 Sein wrote:
First of all, the biggest blame by far should go to Blizzard for their stubbornness against implementing LAN(and VPN for online) and consequently hurting global online tournaments.

With that said, I think EG should have listened to Liquid's request in this case as Liquid weren't trying to gain an unfair advantage for their players but rather to even out the field. The facts seem to be:

1) There is a disadvantage due to latency playing cross server (esp. from Korea to EU or NA)
2) You can get somewhat used to bad latency by playing a few practice games, but there is a ceiling where you can't play any better with this problem even with hardcore practice for obvious reasons.
3) However, that ceiling can be reached fairly easily. It doesn't take 200 practice games cross server to get to this point.

Point #3 negates the argument that "If we accept Liquid's request, then everyone else will have to practice hard on the Korean server and nobody wants to do that". It will not make a difference for the European players (who I think represent about half of all the players?) except that they will actually get to play half of their games vs. NA players on the EU server. Besides, it's difficult to believe that the NA/EU players themselves have zero experience playing on the Korean server to begin with, so this "Liquid players will have an unfair advantage because they are used to playing cross server" thing is nonsense. Jinro himself said that he actually hasn't played a lot of games on the NA server during the time he has been in Korea.

Basically, the only teams this proposed change will have a negative effect on are the NA teams, but this effect is "unfair advantage" to "even" rather than "even" to "unfair disadvantage".

"But we want the best qualities possible for the tournament." - Theoretically, this should be irrelevant because under the current rules, non-NA players will play below their full potential in all the games, while under Liquid's proposed changes, non-NA players will play below their full potential half of the games while NA players will play below their full potential in the other half of the games. In both cases, we will have one player every game not playing as well as he would like to.

There was hardly any inconvenience in alternating servers considering Liquid was quite used to handling it and the games are going to be casted from replays. It would not have taken 3 hours each time between games to switch between servers.

On May 04 2011 04:12 Azarkon wrote:


While Idra is not necessarily the official representative of EG in this thread, I think you still need to account for his point, which is that the league doesn't want teams to play on the Korean server because it produces shitty games and they'd rather have Liquid out than have shitty games. It's not about competitive fairness. It's about the league's aversion to NA<->KR cross-server play overriding their desire to have Liquid onboard. NA<->EU is much more playable and therefore the league is willing to tolerate it (though you are correct to point out that EU teams have to play on NA and therefore suffer a slight competitive disadvantage). But NA<->KR, perhaps in retrospect of the hassle NASL encountered, they do not.

And part of this is "home court convenience." Idra is basically saying, "this is a non-Korean league, so we have no responsibility to players in Korea. If you want to join, then you deal with the lag. We're not going to inconvenience ourselves (ie play under KR lag) for your sake." Of course, this was not the official reason given by EG for refusing Liquid's request. But insofar as no one from EG has denied what Idra is saying, it is probably one underlying reason.