EG launch $10,000 Master's Cup Series League - Page 49

On May 04 2011 03:54 Sein wrote:
First of all, the biggest blame by far should go to Blizzard for their stubbornness against implementing LAN(and VPN for online) and consequently hurting global online tournaments.

With that said, I think EG should have listened to Liquid's request in this case as Liquid weren't trying to gain an unfair advantage for their players but rather to even out the field. The facts seem to be:

1) There is a disadvantage due to latency playing cross server (esp. from Korea to EU or NA)
2) You can get somewhat used to bad latency by playing a few practice games, but there is a ceiling where you can't play any better with this problem even with hardcore practice for obvious reasons.
3) However, that ceiling can be reached fairly easily. It doesn't take 200 practice games cross server to get to this point.

Point #3 negates the argument that "If we accept Liquid's request, then everyone else will have to practice hard on the Korean server and nobody wants to do that". It will not make a difference for the European players (who I think represent about half of all the players?) except that they will actually get to play half of their games vs. NA players on the EU server. Besides, it's difficult to believe that the NA/EU players themselves have zero experience playing on the Korean server to begin with, so this "Liquid players will have an unfair advantage because they are used to playing cross server" thing is nonsense. Jinro himself said that he actually hasn't played a lot of games on the NA server during the time he has been in Korea.

Basically, the only teams this proposed change will have a negative effect on are the NA teams, but this effect is "unfair advantage" to "even" rather than "even" to "unfair disadvantage".

"But we want the best qualities possible for the tournament." - Theoretically, this should be irrelevant because under the current rules, non-NA players will play below their full potential in all the games, while under Liquid's proposed changes, non-NA players will play below their full potential half of the games while NA players will play below their full potential in the other half of the games. In both cases, we will have one player every game not playing as well as he would like to.

There was hardly any inconvenience in alternating servers considering Liquid was quite used to handling it and the games are going to be casted from replays. It would not have taken 3 hours each time between games to switch between servers.

On May 04 2011 03:54 Sein wrote:
First of all, the biggest blame by far should go to Blizzard for their stubbornness against implementing LAN(and VPN for online) and consequently hurting global online tournaments.

With that said, I think EG should have listened to Liquid's request in this case as Liquid weren't trying to gain an unfair advantage for their players but rather to even out the field. The facts seem to be:

1) There is a disadvantage due to latency playing cross server (esp. from Korea to EU or NA)
2) You can get somewhat used to bad latency by playing a few practice games, but there is a ceiling where you can't play any better with this problem even with hardcore practice for obvious reasons.
3) However, that ceiling can be reached fairly easily. It doesn't take 200 practice games cross server to get to this point.

Point #3 negates the argument that "If we accept Liquid's request, then everyone else will have to practice hard on the Korean server and nobody wants to do that". It will not make a difference for the European players (who I think represent about half of all the players?) except that they will actually get to play half of their games vs. NA players on the EU server. Besides, it's difficult to believe that the NA/EU players themselves have zero experience playing on the Korean server to begin with, so this "Liquid players will have an unfair advantage because they are used to playing cross server" thing is nonsense. Jinro himself said that he actually hasn't played a lot of games on the NA server during the time he has been in Korea.

Basically, the only teams this proposed change will have a negative effect on are the NA teams, but this effect is "unfair advantage" to "even" rather than "even" to "unfair disadvantage".

"But we want the best qualities possible for the tournament." - Theoretically, this should be irrelevant because under the current rules, non-NA players will play below their full potential in all the games, while under Liquid's proposed changes, non-NA players will play below their full potential half of the games while NA players will play below their full potential in the other half of the games. In both cases, we will have one player every game not playing as well as he would like to.

There was hardly any inconvenience in alternating servers considering Liquid was quite used to handling it and the games are going to be casted from replays. It would not have taken 3 hours each time between games to switch between servers.

On May 04 2011 07:10 Mordiford wrote:
The issue here is the format, now the soccer analogies that some people brought up don't really work in the sense that this isn't a set score based game, meaning at some point you'd have to flip a coin and one side would have an advantage.