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HowitZer
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1610 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-12-22 14:05:54
December 22 2004 13:55 GMT
#21
Entropy's point is that poker is not a good influence on the starcraft community. I agree with him and so far no one has made a good argument against it because saying people have free choice over what they do does not address the influence that poker has. I think someone arguing for the ads would need to say why they are good for the community.
Human teleportation, molecular decimation, breakdown and reformation is inherently purging. It makes a man acute.
aBnarf
Profile Joined October 2002
Bangladesh314 Posts
December 22 2004 14:17 GMT
#22
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F10 P E S Q! lol
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
December 22 2004 14:17 GMT
#23
uh no
his post in 1/10th the words

a) starcraft and poker are gaming
b) gaming is ok
c) gambling is bad
d) poker is gambling
e) underage gambling is bad
f) tl.net shouldn't promote gambling (audience age)
g) poker requires no skill
h) blah blah
JAM THE FUCKER!
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
December 22 2004 14:19 GMT
#24
and to that i say
fuckit. most of the people here are grown folks. meat needs funds to run the site. and kids shouldn't gamble.

still valid input tho
JAM THE FUCKER!
KH1031
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States862 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-12-22 14:23:25
December 22 2004 14:20 GMT
#25
gambling in mathematical term is suicide

-_-

suppose the odd of you winning in a game is roughly 49% (The odd of casino winning would be, by default, 51%) Doesn't really sound that badly ripped for a game in casino.
But...let's see...

Say you played 10 games.
Now the chance of you winning overall would be roughly 47.5%

Say you want to try your luck further, and played 100 more games.
Now the chance of you winning on that 100 games would be around 42%

Okay, if you are truly hardcore, now you played 1000 more games after that.
The chance of you winning is now diminished to a little more than 26%

Basically, if you are feeling lucky, the very first hand will tell you if it is true or not (In this case, the odds of winning is 49% in the first hand). As the first hand you play you WILL have the best chance of winning some money.

And if you DO happen to win on the first bet, mark my word here:

GG NO RE

Go buy yourself dinner or something...get the heck out of there. Don't be tempted to try out your luck again. You got lucky once, now the more you play, the more odds are AGAINST you (These odds are compounded as well).

Bottom line, games in casino are legal rip-offs

For the most part...I don't see casinos go bankrupt...they only get bigger and prettier.

As a conclusion, The Bible tells us NOT TO BE GREEDY for a reason. On the contrary of the popular belief...God knows how to do math too...

*If there is a question or problem with how I come up with those percentages, please PM me*
aBnarf
Profile Joined October 2002
Bangladesh314 Posts
December 22 2004 14:23 GMT
#26
nobody has to click the ad. this isnt the only place where poker is being advertized. poker is everywhere now.

btw us playing poker is benefitial to everyone in this forum because there are no pop ups lol
F10 P E S Q! lol
Izenra
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada679 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-12-22 14:25:51
December 22 2004 14:23 GMT
#27
About the ''promoting poker'', well poker is on tv like 5 times a week, at 4:30pm where i live, and 4:30pm is the time when kid come home from school.

poker required skillz in my opinion. its like bw actually!
-always make scv and rally em to min and click as they come out
-try to guess what your opponent will do according to what he has
-Retreat if you got nothing, come back when you know you will kill the other
- be CONSISTENT in order to have a good rec :D

edit: to the second post before me, true gambling is idiot. That why smart player play poker.
ProudCappi
Profile Joined October 2004
United States366 Posts
December 22 2004 14:27 GMT
#28
On December 22 2004 21:22 Physician wrote:
Again it is not about whose fault it is. It is about influence, setting examples and doing the right thing. It is about putting a stop the insidiuos online gaming industry interest in our gamer community, not just Tl.net. It is about improving our community. Online gambling will not improve anyone here, so why foster it in any way?


What is your definition of improve? How does BW "improve" any of us here?
-proud capitalist- |freedom|property|individualism|self-reliance|
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-12-22 14:32:34
December 22 2004 14:27 GMT
#29
"and I will not argue that poker in person requires a degree of skill..". be good if people read too..still the article is not about poker or skill required for poker ~ its about promoting online gambling through adds and other kick backs in the starcraft community.. yes the gambling industry is heavily promoting it in the different gamer communities, and yes gambling poker adds are everywhere, but they are here due to a choice of the webmasters of this site.. It does not have to be that way, just my feelings about the subject. Why? Because I like this forum and I think the gambling influence is wrong.
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
Zorglub1
Profile Joined October 2004
Denmark532 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-12-22 14:39:25
December 22 2004 14:28 GMT
#30
good article, very true. All those young people on here all heard about someone making big money from poker (which is a lie many times) , and think they can do so themselves. not good

I have one question for the poker freaks out there: If there are nine guys at a table playing poker, all nine guys knows the same things about poker i.e. pot odds and so on (poker is not rocket science). If this is the case please tell me how can anything else than the luck of the cards determine who will win? And if this is the case, the only one who will win in the long term is the house because of the rake.

(im talking online poker here, but the same thing would be true in real games if every one has the same stone face and reading abilties as the others)
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51711 Posts
December 22 2004 14:31 GMT
#31
i dont actually care about the ads at the site, atleast if teamliquid is active, im happy
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Legionnaire
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia4515 Posts
December 22 2004 14:31 GMT
#32
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My hope is one day stupid people will feel the same pain when they talk, as the pain the rest of us feel when we hear them. Twitter: @Legionnaire_au
After)Eight(
Profile Joined March 2003
Germany502 Posts
December 22 2004 14:35 GMT
#33
you are cool =)
i hate quote
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-12-22 14:56:31
December 22 2004 14:39 GMT
#34
"But as each game comes along slowly our numbers will dwindle, for the vast majority they will end up getting nothing out of starcraft other then a few great friendships and memories."

So true

And hours and hours of fun. That is why we play it, it is a game for most of us. For some they even made it into a job, and as long as they enjoy it I admire them. Thats what games are about ~ enjoying life through play.

I was also very careful in my phrasing.. gambling will not ruin everyones life, because very few will become compulsive gamblers.. but a few will and that is my point, fostering it is not good. We are all potential heroine addicts if exposed, but you have to be exposed to it first - and there is a lot of young people prone to influence here.
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
FeelTheMoment
Profile Joined August 2004
89 Posts
December 22 2004 14:41 GMT
#35
If you got addictive to the game of starcraft, more likely you will get addictive to gambling, which will hurt you in the long run. Considering the average age of site readers, maybe physician's suggestion is a good idea, but honestly, i don't really care if your life got ruined by gambling.
ProudCappi
Profile Joined October 2004
United States366 Posts
December 22 2004 14:49 GMT
#36
Leg is right. People who fuck themselves over fuck themselves over. It's their fault, NOT the tool which they used. Should we blame guns for suicide?

Also, BW could be considered as bad as gambling. We put so much time into it, and 99% get nothing out excecpt fun. Why not trash BW? Because you are losing time and not money? Time is potential money.
-proud capitalist- |freedom|property|individualism|self-reliance|
Legionnaire
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia4515 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-12-22 14:56:50
December 22 2004 14:55 GMT
#37
Oh drug users, another section of the populace i like to see throw their lives away!

I dont really ahve any problems with them advertising it, its all about self control. If you dont have enough of it then you are going to do some bad things in life, better to get it over now when you dont have as much to lose and learn your lesson then to fuck up later. If noone had self control everyone would be going around raping girls, killing ppl and doing moronicly stupid things just because they can. Its a personality flaw that is going to be exploited anyway for those with week self control.

Its like when you are a kid, and your dad gives you your first taste of beer and you hate it, it leaves a good impression on you for ages, of course you will go with friends and start drinking when you grow up but it still... damn it i had an awesome point with this but i forgot... fucghadfogihadfg
okay i sat here for 3 mins thinking, and i THINK it was something about gradually being introduced to something you are more likely to have more understanding about it and to be ab le to control yourself better. Just think of TL as providing this introductory course into monetary issues for teenagers. Free of charge!
hmm my original idea was better though.. damn it.
My hope is one day stupid people will feel the same pain when they talk, as the pain the rest of us feel when we hear them. Twitter: @Legionnaire_au
yeehaw
Profile Joined October 2004
San Marino888 Posts
December 22 2004 14:56 GMT
#38
It's okay here physcian - because the young people do not have access to credit cards and thus cannot gamble.
G_G
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33713 Posts
December 22 2004 14:57 GMT
#39
On December 22 2004 23:19 Casper... wrote:
and to that i say
fuckit. most of the people here are grown folks. meat needs funds to run the site. and kids shouldn't gamble.

still valid input tho


well toptalent hosts the site, I dunno what meat is doing with the money
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Legionnaire
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia4515 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-12-22 15:00:12
December 22 2004 14:58 GMT
#40
I thought of that but thats too obvious, talking more about influencing them and leading them down the path of tempation and corrupting the innocent!!~
Which is far more interesting

Ahhh wax, that makes sense, obviously meat is one of those weak minded fools and needs our money to keep his poker addiction going!!! okay thats it, i'm changing sides we must save meat, if that means to stop everyone else playing poker then so be it!
My hope is one day stupid people will feel the same pain when they talk, as the pain the rest of us feel when we hear them. Twitter: @Legionnaire_au
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