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Smurg
Australia3818 Posts
On December 23 2004 00:53 Legionnaire wrote: A few years ago starcraft wasn't an incredibly ancient game, and of course we were all waiting for the almighty blizzard to release the StarCraft killer, warcraftIII ^^ But alas, how the years change people  And boy, did it kill SC or what!  | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
playing limits you can afford and stopping when you've lost too much is dependant on the player, not the game | ||
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thelucas
Slovakia285 Posts
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loztdignity
Sweden176 Posts
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dork
Canada2207 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Liquid`RaSZi
Netherlands2766 Posts
On December 22 2004 21:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: at first I was thinking good article but as I read on I can only conclude you are very missinformed about both poker and StarCraft. So very true. Explain my ferrari parked outside if poker was gambling for all. | ||
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
StarCraft has taken alot from peoples lifes. These 'young' people that you do not want to be playing poker are already playing a highly addictive game which brings them nothing substantial in the future (except for FUN which is really, really important but that *also* goes for poker). They are playing this game every day spending many hours of their lifes. This game we promote through our site knowing it might be bad for a few of you out there to stay hooked to it. This is the dark side of the medal. As long as we want to offer you the pleasure of StarCraft information and community we are going to have to accept that there's people among you for who StarCraft is a bad thing rather than a good. I assume you can probably identify with this as most people have broken their CD once or twice themselves. Starcraft is not a kids game anymore. It's the oldest game by threefold at WCG and its gamers have grown up to become adults. It's not a bunch of kids visiting Team Liquid, most of us here are adults and you won't find many Americans who are not allowed to drive a car. As they are adults they can now make their own decisions whether or not they want to play poker. They should be old enough. Also you are not allowed to play poker under 18. And on top of that minors do not have any way to cash in money to pokersites unless permission is asked from an adult (creditcards). They simply can't steal cash in real-life and use it to play online poker. Poker is a dangerous game let there be no doubt, realize whether or not you can master it while staying completely objective. If the answer is no don't think you are going to win by pumping more money in, because it is NOT a game of luck. It is a game of skill and when you do not have this skill you will be consistently losing. It is not a lottery, but just like SC a game where strategy, insight and gut-feeling are very important. In fact StarCraft is a pretty good indicator to show which players will be good and which will not. To end this I would want to ask you to name me 1 person that signed up at poker through Team Liquid that is having the problems you described. | ||
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 23 2004 08:15 EAGER-beaver wrote: never understood poker, it's not fun, unless you like the lows and highs of gambling. In that case you should just move to vegas, or lock your bank account cause you might have a problem go away | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
I admit I started an interest in poker because my friends really got into through watching it on TV and I saw alot of people here playing it like Rek and others @ Wcg so I decided to play a few times. It's hard, nothing surprising about that. I won alot so I decided to go online because there wasn't much competition amongst friends. Using play money, I won most of the time there to. Now I was faced with a choice, keep playing poker, or keep playing bw. I don't know how anyone could EVER choose poker over BW. Bw is like part of my personality, it's a part of who I am. I mean, nerdy as it is, I've been playing this game like 6 years. This is like my drug. Sure, I'll get into CS, Halo, Heroes, MTG, etc... but nothing brings me back like Starcraft. I've had many arguments with friends over BW vs MTG. My friend who plays MTG asked me why I quit playing and I should start up again cuz our circle of friends all play MTG semi-competitively. I told him I quit because it takes up too much time and money and you should too. Then he said to me ' It's my money, and it brings me joy, so let me use my money how I want and you use yours how you want ' That's what a lot of you have said in this thread. What my friend failed to realize is that years from now he is going to look back at MTG and say things like ' Yeah man I layed out all my cards on the bed and made new decks each night ' When I look back at BW, I'm going to say. ' Shit, I'm still playing it. ' I told him this. He got angry and started yelling at me. I reminded him that once, he played BW, and since then he has switched around many games. I told him how much fun he had playing with people he knew for free, for much longer, and for even more enjoyment. He then told me he meets people that are even more fun than on BW and that he plays with friends and I was the only friend of his that didn't play BW. I told him to look around [ Cuz we were in a MTG tournament ] I told him to look at the 40 year old fathers who bring their kids and play MTG. I told him to look at the hobo who spends all his money on cardboard cards. And I told him to look at the people who would get stuck in this game and nobody would ever remember them because they can see each other every time they play, and will hold that grudge not only against their opponent, but against MTG itself. Then I told him, you're going to be like that, if you truly like this game as much as you say. Then he digressed to say that he didn't. I told him, that is the way I love BW. Even though I suck, even though I won't make money, even though it's wasting my time, I won't become a sick addict who has no sense of reality. Card games ruin lives much more than computer games. Playing computer games, you never really see your opponent online so they have much less of a personality. It's harder to have the feeling of ' revenge ' If you lose, you quit the program, you don't have to stand there for the rest of the tournament staring at them watching them proceed. BW gave you fun first, not poker. Sure Poker is a more ' grown ' game. But look at all of you who are good at poker. 20s-30s? And what, you still say you love BW. We are becoming a community who now watches/talks about BW more and more and play it less and less. Why? VODs? Reps? No. It's because we are busy with other things. I've discovered a new mod in CS and that's all I play nowadays. But does this mean I forget about BW? I'm going to keep coming back to BW and I will play it faithfully until the day Blizzard shuts down battle.net.The poker players who make any money will forget about BW when it dies and only say they were good at it. Rekrul, you have a chance to become a pro-gamer. Even though I don't know of your poker skills, I'm highly sure that you have little chance to become a pro-poker player. If you do, congratulations and take that path. You will make more money than being a pro-gamer. But remember, you are in Korea. Your love of BW brought you there, and I'm sorry I pointed just you out, but you seem to be a top poker figure around here in our community. That's all. | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
United Kingdom10597 Posts
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FrinkX
United States958 Posts
It takes a tremendous amount of skill / patience. I also have found that I do not have an addiction to it, infact, i don't like playing poker anymore, it heavily bores me. 95% starcraft, 5% poker  | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
btw its gotten to the point where i care so little i play like 1 hour a day average and make a living if that | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On December 23 2004 08:27 Chibi[OWNS] wrote: gambling is both a strength and a weakness of man i dont know how thats supposed to be relevant to quote.. sigh.. rounders "im not playing for the thrill of the game here"  | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On December 23 2004 08:36 FrinkX wrote: Entropy i agree with u in many ways, including the advertisement and influence to younger kids... but i disagree. I have made A LOT of money on poker, with only minimum loss. Overall, I'm up a rediculous amount. Poker will always be part of my life / income because it's very controlled and I can continuously make good money playing it, risking the least amount possible to gain the largest amount possible. It takes a tremendous amount of skill / patience. I also have found that I do not have an addiction to it, infact, i don't like playing poker anymore, it heavily bores me. 95% starcraft, 5% poker exactly | ||
Waxangel
United States33347 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Rekrul, you have a chance to become a pro-gamer. Even though I don't know of your poker skills, I'm highly sure that you have little chance to become a pro-poker player. If you do, congratulations and take that path. You will make more money than being a pro-gamer. Way to go being highly sure of something you know nothing about. I am already a pro-poker player. My income already rivals that of the top pro-gamers and we all know I have 0% chance of getting to their level anyways. | ||
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lingwu
Japan321 Posts
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