Nope.

People are responsible for their own actions. You can't blame the ad for the buyer of the product, as long as the ads are honest. Personal responsibility > blame games.

racebannon

Canada1225 Posts

December 22 2004 11:59 GMT

I'm curious where and when the starcraft community got so involved with online poker. I'm not for or against it, but it seemed to just crop up over night and now the two practically go hand in hand with the international SC community.

Who started it? when did it come to be? I know poker in general is rising in popularity but most other gaming circles I'm involved with have been untouched by this. It just seems to be a fad to me.

and I do agree with most of your sentiments, online poker is pretty much all about taking money from retards

Physician

United States4146 Posts

December 22 2004 12:07 GMT

ProudCappi ~

I am blaming no one. Nor is my article a blame "game". Just giving good advice and it very unfortunate you should see it as a "balme game". People are responsible for their own actions. Agreed. Even the choice to use online gambling adds. But do not forget also that many of readers of tl.net are not adults, but under aged - this complicates the matter a little more than your simplistic comercial approach. This is not a blame game, it is just a call for improvement in our community. I am an adult with 3 children who all play pc games. I just got fed up when I saw one too many thread fostering online gambling. It is a bad trend and it is wrong for our community.

Pacifist

Israel1683 Posts

December 22 2004 12:09 GMT

I agree, and as a 16-year-old, I dont think it should advertise poker. Personally, I play poker with friends, but this online advertising thing just makes TL.net the wrong environment. However, the TL staff has to do whatever it has to do, and I would hate to see this great site go down.

ProudCappi

United States366 Posts

December 22 2004 12:16 GMT

Well, how do the kids sign up for online poker? Their parent's credit card. If the parents don't want them playing poker online, don't let them use it.

I agree that gambling can fuck up people's lives.

But it is still those people's fault. And it is the parents' fault if their kids play online poker when they don't want them to.

GTR

51711 Posts

December 22 2004 12:19 GMT

#10

i point to ilnp!

Physician

United States4146 Posts

December 22 2004 12:22 GMT

#11

Again it is not about whose fault it is. It is about influence, setting examples and doing the right thing. It is about putting a stop the insidiuos online gaming industry interest in our gamer community, not just Tl.net. It is about improving our community. Online gambling will not improve anyone here, so why foster it in any way?

superlyduper

United States37 Posts

December 22 2004 12:25 GMT

#12

I agree for the most part, but there is a difference between the level of judgement and maturity between tl boards and blizzard boards

Physician

United States4146 Posts

December 22 2004 12:26 GMT

#13

GTR-2-Go ~ is 12 years old. More mature than many 17 years olds I know but still 12. It does influence him to read threads about where to gamble and that some good starcraft players that turned to poker gambling. That is precisely why I wrote my point of view. It is not all fair and dandy with the online gambling industry. It is wrong for it to be here in our community.

Liquid`Nazgul

22427 Posts

December 22 2004 12:29 GMT

#14

at first I was thinking good article but as I read on I can only conclude you are very missinformed about both poker and StarCraft.

draeger

United States3256 Posts

December 22 2004 12:30 GMT

#15

My dreams have just been crushed... damn you!

IntoTheWow

is awesome32282 Posts

December 22 2004 12:36 GMT

#16

On December 22 2004 21:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
at first I was thinking good article but as I read on I can only conclude you are very missinformed about both poker and StarCraft.

Enlighten us

Physician

United States4146 Posts

December 22 2004 12:39 GMT

#17

~ nazgul

I am Entropy ~ a very misinformed guy about the starcraft community. I also have a little experience both in gambling addiction and online gambling fraud both from a medical and legal stance. It has been part of my training. I have always been a very active advocate agaisnt child abuse and gambling. Instead of rejecting my adivce out of the bat and discrediting it, use it. It is not bad advice for this site or any starcraft site at all.

Canada579 Posts

December 22 2004 12:42 GMT

#18

hey sup Entropy~

Izenra

Canada679 Posts

December 22 2004 13:12 GMT

#19

hey im 17 and i played Nl HE .05/.1 10$ buy-in for the first time and i made 14 buck in 1.5 hour. Thank for your article, I did not gambled.

As you see I don't agree with you , talking for myself, cuz I am not a kid anymore and i know what im doing. But it's true that some kid can be influenced by that, and being talked in a sc site. But again, this is teamliquid, not a community sc-ONLY (like sc gamer :D), i think originially it was a bunch of friend who started the site, and it just grow big.

Maybe TL could put something with poker like warning , or not for child, etc

baal

10708 Posts

December 22 2004 13:18 GMT

#20

Just play poker and win a bazilliontrillionwillion dollars like the gosus do because well, everybody wins gambling didnt you know?... everybody returns full handed from vegas and casinos are the worse business ever.