PvP is going to change in the next Patch ! - Page 29

On April 22 2011 23:09 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:


Colossus are slow!?! for gods sake, they are the same speed as marines/marauders (units that are considered mobile) and have good mobility being able to cliff walk.

On April 23 2011 02:26 gnutz wrote:

The Warpgates never were a solution to random poking of Terrans.

Indeed, the random poking did occur most of the time before warpgates were finished. They were a problem because the sentry was not out, the sentry you needed to build in a gateway.

I think so. DQ is a good example.

But that still has nothing to do with warpgates. It had to do with the bad maps.

And even this change would make it better for Protoss on small maps, because their sentry and stalker would get out faster.


Or what do you mean by random poking?


And when were proxy gates undefendable? oO
But what many suggested, if you don't change the buildtimes of Zealots (/change the buildtimes not completely) but only of stalkers and sentry, i don't think it will work out bad.

I don't know why i'm defending Blizzard,lol. But i think it is a good idea. But obviously requires lots of testing.

On April 23 2011 03:02 hitman133 wrote:
I hope it won't affect PvT in early game, 2 raxes marauders pressure is very difficult now already

On April 23 2011 03:02 hitman133 wrote:
I hope it won't affect PvT in early game, 2 raxes marauders pressure is very difficult now already

On April 23 2011 02:44 N3rV[Green] wrote:
The thing that I have a problem with is, I HAVE A SOLUTION that does nothing to the game and simply changes the mindset of early protoss in the early game. At first it was a more cutesy build with two cannons if they 4-gate and going for phoenix harass. This had some holes in that that I found playing with masters level players, but the idea of an early forge for safety and upgrades are amazing no matter what was solid IMO.


Then I saw Naniwa play PvP, and use his gateway wall in. I adapted the two gates, and replaced the pylon with a cannon. I'm now invincible vs a 4 gate push with proper control (1 zealot outside the wall to keep other zeals off the cannon, sentries produced as needed but prioritizing stalkers off 3 gates)

With good scouting you can figure out what he's doing expanding wise, and you are in a position where you have 1/1 nearing completion, blink either done or getting started, and the option of taking an expand or punishing an expand.

I feel that it's a very solid way of playing, and things like this are what we need to fix PvP, not fucking balance changes....

On April 23 2011 02:26 gnutz wrote:

The Warpgates never were a solution to random poking of Terrans.

Indeed, the random poking did occur most of the time before warpgates were finished. They were a problem because the sentry was not out, the sentry you needed to build in a gateway.

I think so. DQ is a good example.

But that still has nothing to do with warpgates. It had to do with the bad maps.

And even this change would make it better for Protoss on small maps, because their sentry and stalker would get out faster.


Or what do you mean by random poking?


And when were proxy gates undefendable? oO
But what many suggested, if you don't change the buildtimes of Zealots (/change the buildtimes not completely) but only of stalkers and sentry, i don't think it will work out bad.

I don't know why i'm defending Blizzard,lol. But i think it is a good idea. But obviously requires lots of testing.

On April 23 2011 03:18 ShotoElite wrote:
so....why are they trying to change it? PvP is not broken and doesn't need any fixing whatsoever. There are plenty of counters to 4gate, there is nothing to fix if you are just lazy or unwilling to practice these counters.

On April 23 2011 03:21 bpork wrote:


I'm curious - what are the many counters to 4 gate?

On April 23 2011 03:20 Tor wrote:
Because 4gate defines the match-up, which isn't good for the game.

On April 23 2011 03:21 bpork wrote:


I'm curious - what are the many counters to 4 gate?

On April 23 2011 02:54 Dommk wrote:


Hmm the timings for the more aggressive pokings 15-20 seconds before Warpgate is done for majority of builds, which gives toss enough time to delay with their one forcefield and get 2-3 Gateways transforming. The builds like the one Select/Fenix/QXC do will most likely be much much harder to defend, that instant warpin bypassing a production cycle is sometimes crucial when trying to survive, especially if you go double sentry to try and be "safe", you might just die going double sentry.


Most likely he means if the terran happens to get up the ramp now, it can screw over the Protoss pretty badly since units will be streaming out of gateways longer and will be much easier to catch units, especially with more aggressive builds that will get up your ramp even if you get 2 sentries, I think Fenix did something like that--the protoss narrowly skirted death when his warpgates finished and was able to bypass a production cycle and warp-in sentry instantly to throw another FF whilst his last one was running out. The version Select does that is almost impossible to scout because he leads with an SCV+Marine to clear out Xel'Naga towers might be brutal :o